PSP Malfunction

[kainemaxwell]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/01/24/news_6116985.html

[jonjandran]

Yea this has been getting a LOT of peoples attention the last couple of days.

Seems like Sony doesn't care ? :hmm:

[tholly]

hmmmm....makes me mildly worried considering i preordered...and it doesnt really seem to care that there is a problem

i guess the + is not every system was returned only 0.6%

[SoulBlazer]

Well, I wonder how bad this really is. :/

I can see not wanting to change the screen or the size -- but is'nt there ANYTHING that can be done with the layout of the buttons so that the X button is'nt cramped?

[Wavelflack]

"Kutaragi said, "I believe we made the most beautiful thing in the world. Nobody would criticize a renowned architect's blueprint that the position of a gate is wrong. It's the same as that."


What an arrogant cocksucker.

[EnemyZero]

so basically he is saying "the button is off on some units, we did it on purpose though, if your button sticks or sometimes wont even work, im not sorry for anything, we've engineered it that way"

Thats sony, engineering architectural crap since 1946

[djbeatmongrel]

"Kutaragi said, "I believe we made the most beautiful thing in the world. Nobody would criticize a renowned architect's blueprint that the position of a gate is wrong. It's the same as that."


What an arrogant cocksucker.

that qoute got me thinking. if that architect totally fucked up the buildings design and made it unusable for its original purpose arent the buyers gonna be mighty pissed :/

[Wavelflack]

Kuturagi is forgetting a few things with his analogy. First, he isn't really (nor is Sony) a "renowned architect". He helped design an elegant and efficient piece of hardware (PS1), and followed up by a flawed, inefficient console that has a massive failure rate. An architect who designed one nice building and followed up with one that was structurally unsound, required many workarounds, and was continually in need of repair..and then followed up with ANOTHER such creation...wouldn't be held in terribly high esteem.

2nd, if the "renowned architect" had in fact put the gate in the wrong place, people may or may not say something about it, but they would still see the flaw, and the flaw would actually exist. If the architect is so fixated on a particular layout for his creation that he gives short shrift to the practical aspects, then he is not much of an architect, and is merely an unschooled dreamer.

To summarize: Sony decide to place priority on Kutaragi's case size specifications, rather than the functional aspects of the unit. Brilliant.
What other short-cuts do you think we will hear about in the future?

[Jibbajaba]

Sony sure is arrogant about their place in the gaming food chain. Shit like this opens up the door for Nintendo. I wonder how well the PSP is going to compete anyway against the SP and DS considering their price points. If this ends up being a permanent flaw with the PSP, tht may stop me from ever buying one. I have been morphing into a Nintendo fanboy anyway, what with the lack of PS2 titles that I have been interested in lately.

Im just saying, Sony needs to read up on the history of the video gaming industry and understand that their place at the top is not a guaranteed given. If they dont get over themselves and start devoting themselves to creating the best product available, Microsoft and Nintendo are going to puch them out of first place.

Chris

[Crazycarl]

well im thinking what system that comes from sony has worked when it first came out....not psx...not ps2 (still having to deal with the lazer) and i knew that the psp would come out as a pos the first time....with sony they like to beta test there stuff at launch.

just learn and not by them from the start...wait like a year then get it...i learned my lesson twice now.

[mr_nihilism]

Off topic, but reading that makes me wonder if Sony made the PS2 the way it is on purpose. You know, with a fairly high probability of the system fucking up down the road. When the warrenty is done with do people just buy another PS2? Especially one of those slick slim ones? Hmmm

Anyways, I'm just thinking out loud so to speak.

[stargate]

personally, I would rather have a somewhat smaller screen and responsive buttons than the other way around. I believe 99% of gamers out there would agree.

The guy sure has a lot of balls. Basically his response is "deal with it!" What he is forgetting is that most of us don't have to deal with it because we haven't bought one yet. LOL

[PDorr3]

Off topic, but reading that makes me wonder if Sony made the PS2 the way it is on purpose. You know, with a fairly high probability of the system fucking up down the road. When the warrenty is done with do people just buy another PS2? Especially one of those slick slim ones? Hmmm

Anyways, I'm just thinking out loud so to speak.

my ps2 has gone to hell. I even left the lens cleaning cd in the system for 20 mikns stright and it still wont read.

[TheJuggala]

But does something like this really suprise anyone? The PS2 wasn't made very well, and now the PSP. I sort of have to agree with mr_nihilism maybe Sony is doing it on purpose to sell more consoles.

Or they just don't know how to make a product that last, at least in regards to video game electronics.

[GrayFox]

Yeah, I've known of this for awhile now.

I wanted to get a PSP at launch, but not now. I can't support Sony as much I used to back in 98. This is just horrible.

Who the hell says a flaw is a part of the specifications?

You think a car company could get away with a flaw in their braking sytems if they just said, "We wanted it like that."

This is ridiculous. And they'll get away with this, and with cash in their pockets.

[unbroken]

ive had my ps2 since its release and its worked perfect, no problems whatsoever. i dont know why people are making a big deal out of this square button thing. most stores have a 30 day return policy, if the merchandise is defective, simply take it back and get a new one, and if the store doesnt offer that, buy it somewhere else.

[Griking]

A buggy Sony console? I just don't believe it. :roll:

[Jibbajaba]

i dont know why people are making a big deal out of this square button thing.

Because of Sony's attitude about it. KK should have come out and said "Our commitment is to the consumer who chooses to spend his or her money on Sony's products. We will address this problem in such a manner that the consumer gets a maximum value and level of enjoyment out of another great Sony product."

Instead his attitude was "Bend over".

Do you not see or understand that?

Chris

[ianoid]

What was the DS return rate for dead pixels? 0.6% isn't too bad for a new console, I would guess. I'm sure they will refine the design with time. In the meantime, don't use the square button, I guess.

And those are out of context quotes. Who knows what they refer to and under what context they were stated.

[tholly]

is it really that big of a problem, or are we just hearing the select few horror stories

i would assume that you are gonna remember a lot of the breaking stories than the my system is great stories

[goatdan]

I agree with most of the others in the thread. I think that Milwaukee has perhaps the most perfect analogy to counter his stupid claim about the architect with the gate...

Milwaukee built a beautiful baseball stadium called Miller Park a few years ago and opened it. Unfortunately, there were some problems in the first few seasons. Anyone remember seeing the Home Run Derby when it was here and watching the FLOODS come pouring in right in front of the press boxes?

Currently, we're experiencing tons of problems with the retractable roof's ball bearings.

Would it have made sense for the designers or the city to say, "Well, it was designed to work for 99.4% of the seats at the Stadium, but the other .6 better just shut up and enjoy the rain." and then to say, "Well, we thought we designed the roof to operate flawlessly for 25 years, but it turns out three years is enough to do it in... but that's okay. The people in the stands can just cope."

That would be ridiculous, and I can guarantee Milwaukee tax-payers would be up in arms about it. In fact, even with them fixing it there are a bunch who are up in arms about it.

The building is beautiful, and thanks to a commitment to getting it operating correctly, it will do so soon. Sony's argument seems to be saying that the hardware is beautiful, so the committment to getting it to operate doesn't matter.

I'd also like to point out here that the battery life issue was told to the developers as basically their thing to deal with. If Sony hadn't pushed too much into that console, that wouldn't be nearly such a big deal. Seems to me that Sony is trying to cover their butts, and the fact that they have legions of loyal fans that will purchase the PSP no matter what (even if it sucks, I think it will be a close race in the US) means that they can take that stance... for this round of consoles. As I've said all along, I can't wait to see how this all turns out in a few years. It will be good for all involved :)

[Graham Mitchell]

While you do have a point there, Tholly, allow me to add another "holy crap, the system is breaking story". I don't know how many of you have already seen this, but there's apparently a video going around the 'net of someone testing out a PSP. Everything's going fine until moments before he decides to save his game, the disk suddenly flies out of the unit at a really high speed for no apparent reason...I don't know if the disk ends up shattering or not, but that's not important, I guess.

I haven't seen it, but I've got a few contacts at Microsoft X-box testing who say this video has been the laughing stock of their offices for a couple of weeks.

[tholly]

While you do have a point there, Tholly, allow me to add another "holy crap, the system is breaking story". I don't know how many of you have already seen this, but there's apparently a video going around the 'net of someone testing out a PSP. Everything's going fine until moments before he decides to save his game, the disk suddenly flies out of the unit at a really high speed for no apparent reason...I don't know if the disk ends up shattering or not, but that's not important, I guess.

I haven't seen it, but I've got a few contacts at Microsoft X-box testing who say this video has been the laughing stock of their offices for a couple of weeks.


ive seen the movie before

again, this could be a one time thing or a very limited scale

every product has some broken from factory items

no company ever has a 100% working rate

also, we dont know what the person did to the system prior to making this video....he could have damaged it himself, or did some sort of modification

im not a sony fanboy or anything, im just sticking up for the system, since everyone seems to be against it right now

[chrisbid]

"Kutaragi said, "I believe we made the most beautiful thing in the world. Nobody would criticize a renowned architect's blueprint that the position of a gate is wrong. It's the same as that."


What an arrogant cocksucker.

The PSP is the George W Bushh of handhelds. no matter what shortcomings the machine will have, it will come out on top and the majority of causal gamers will love it.

[goatdan]

Related question:

Anyone hear how many dead pixel returns they've had so far?

[SkiDragon]

Well, concerning the architect analogy, there have been many beautiful, historic buildings that have been demolished to make way for something more utilitarian. Like Penn Station or the London bridge. There is also that fancy cathedral in Barcelona that nobody bothered to finish, not because nobody worships, but I think that city already has its fair share of churches and cathedrals.

Anyway, I dont think the PSP is very attractive.

[Nature Boy]

Is this a good time to point out that the GBA SP I got for Xmas had a shoulder button that stopped working after only a month?

[jdc]

All systems have had their share of defects. This is nothing different.

What IS different is the perceived air of the response from the Sony spokeperson.

This simply means that many of us will watch for further developments and wait until later to buy a PSP.

It also means that we'll have to endure months of PSP/Sony bashing over this from MS and Nintendo fanboys everywhere. Yay....... :/

[Mayhem]

Anyone hear how many dead pixel returns they've had so far?

Not many, but that's because unlike Nintendo (who will replace the DS even if it has one dead pixel) you can only return the PSP in Japan if it has 5 or more dead pixels in a certain area size on the screen (just like a regular TFT manufacturer would require).

[Cirrus]

hmmmm....makes me mildly worried considering i preordered...and it doesnt really seem to care that there is a problem

i guess the + is not every system was returned only 0.6%

Well, only 6000 out of 800,000 so far. Who knows how many of these will be sent back after 6 months, or when it is too late.. (12 months or longer...)

[esquire]

People also need to understand that this is a "design" defect and not a "manufacturing" defect. If I buy a DS and it has a dead pixel, I can return it and most likely get a new one that won't have the same problem (unless the whole lot was bad for some reason). Now if I return the PSP, they will give me another one with the same problem. It doesn't matter how many I return, the same problem will exist.

Is it me or by making these comments now, is Sony setting US gamers up when it is released stateside? I can see it now, stores refusing to take back PSP's claiming they are all like that due to the design and we have to "deal with it."

[kainemaxwell]

All systems have had their share of defects. This is nothing different.
Yeah but how often do we hear about complaints from Sony compared to other companies in recent years?

[GobopopRevisited]

What are the exact dimensions of PSP? They aren't exactly short, .25 inches longer would have prevented this little problem... All Hail the Architect! :hail:

[rbudrick]

The PSP is the George W Bushh of handhelds. no matter what shortcomings the machine will have, it will come out on top and the majority of causal gamers will love it.

Either that or it's foolhardy, bullheaded, and 49% of people hate it. LOL J/k..I'm a Bush fan myself.

I can't help but think that with Sony's crazy release price, the battery problem and with design issues like this, they are going to trail behind Nintendo like every other handlheld. I'd rather see good competition, but I guess I'll have to wait and see. With any luck it won't be another Nintendo slaughterfest. I personally am not even going to buy it until it hits $149...I just can't justify $249 for a handheld.

-Rob

[kainemaxwell]

Was witness yesterday to an EB employee talking a mother out of buying the Nintendo DS (she couldn't find it this holiday season) for the PSP and even then she didn't want it.

[GobopopRevisited]

Was witness yesterday to an EB employee talking a mother out of buying the Nintendo DS (she couldn't find it this holiday season) for the PSP and even then she didn't want it.

Fell whitness to two Toys R' Us GameZone people talking a mother out of buying a DS... and I quote. Lady "Will I be able to play Game Boy on DS" TRU "No, DS uses Discs" Lady "Then what will I be able to play this on?" TRU "They only work on the SP, those are being canceled though. DS is the Produc that is replacing it now. But the PSP will play Discs like DS and will be much better"...Gobopop to the Rescue! Told those idiots off... And helped the lady pick out a few GBA games for her sons new Nintendo DS (Yoshi's Island and Pokemon Saffire) Yes, I know... I Rawk!!!!!!

PSP... though... ehhh... not much more for me to say than what I've / You've already said though...

[NESVIDIOT]

Sony is NOT a videogame company.
Not like Nintendo and Sega- which is all they do.
The only reason (in my opinion) to own a Sony console is for the games
that you CAN NOT get on a Nintendo, Sega, then X-box console.
I was anticipating the "breaking" news of the PSP LOL
More emphasis on fun and quality- less on profits!
Not like they don't make enough money anyways!

[kainemaxwell]

I was anticipating the "breaking" news of the PSP LOL
!
I had a feeling the PSP would have the usual Sony issues when the reports of discs popping out and hitting people came out.

[Jibbajaba]

I was anticipating the "breaking" news of the PSP LOL


<Drum Roll> Thanks, everyone! He'll be here all week!

I was witness to a gamestop employee talk a mother out of a DS by telling her that the PSP would have graphics that were better than the PS2.

Chris

[NESVIDIOT]

Sorry guys, I couldn't help it!! LOL
I'll try to refrain from the corny puns!!
not like Sony doesn't deserve it now and again....

[poloplayr]

This is SO beautiful.

Sony taking the normal stance of an idiot-mainstream gamer: appearance or design over matter/playability and time after time Nintendo representatives taking the opposite: it's all about the FUN and the playability. I sure as hell know which ranks to join in this war.

[Xexyz]

ive had my ps2 since its release and its worked perfect, no problems whatsoever. i dont know why people are making a big deal out of this square button thing. most stores have a 30 day return policy, if the merchandise is defective, simply take it back and get a new one, and if the store doesnt offer that, buy it somewhere else.

They are making a big deal out of it because it is a design flaw, something that will effect EVERY SINGLE UNIT PRODUCED. Not just a few, all of them. Having a button that can get stuck and also not perform it's function every time you press it is just a stupid business move. I liked that car analogy someone gave earlier. What if BMW designed a car with a defunct braking system and told buyers to deal with it? I know for sure that if it was actually legal for them to continue producing their error, their cars would no longer be so highly saught after, and value would depreciate like hell. There is also the flying UMD concern with the system too...

[Graham Mitchell]

You know, as far as consoles go, I'm all for the PS2 simply because the software library is the one that I prefer, 'nuff said. I felt that way about the PSX as well, even though I had every 32-bit (and 64 and 128-bit) console at the time.

But with this handheld ordeal, I'm really opposed to Sony on this one, and I think it's mostly because I can see the seedy marketing gimmick. Make it look neato, make it play mp3's, and you'll have a nation of idiots eating it out of your hands, even though it plays the same old crap games. I see Nintendo making a machine that has the potential to be truly innovative and new (it is already showing some evidence of that with Feel the Magic, and the upcoming Warioware), and it's obvious to me which machine should get more respect. Most people I talk to about this aren't feeling this way.

[joshnickerson]

"Wow, the PSP is f****NG AWESOME! IT ROXXORS!"
"But the disc keeps flying out..."
"It don't matter! It can play that new Final Fantasy movie!"
"And one of the buttons doesn't work at all"
"Sony said it just adds to the challenge of making better games that don't use that button!"
"That doesn't make any sense..."
"Oh! That Ridge Racer girl has some big boobs!"

You know, even though I don't own any Playstations, I used to have some respect for Sony as a game company. But when the damn PRESIDENT of the company tells it's customers to f*** off and deal with it, what little respect I had just flew out the window. The ideal of "form over function" is what's going to end up killing the industry very, very soon.

[goatdan]

I was witness to a gamestop employee talk a mother out of a DS by telling her that the PSP would have graphics that were better than the PS2.

Yup -- it is that exact reason that I feel that the PSP will give the DS a run for it's money. Consumers, especially a lot of those that work in game stores, are blinded by the brand name and aren't looking past it. I remember listening to some people in stores too that I wanted to say things too:

(within the last month, I've heard)

Store 1
Well, the GameCube doesn't have any games that were made for people above the age of eight, so you really shouldn't pick one up unless you have someone little at home.
[Customer asks about Metroid]
Metroid? Well, I heard it was okay, but they had to make it really simple because the GameCube doesn't have half the power of the PS2... and its made for eight-year olds.
You should get a PS2. It's the most powerful and has a lot of good games for adults.

Store 2
The Xbox? Why would you want the Xbox? It only has a few games... Halo. That's it really. What else would you play on it?
[Customer mentions Fable]
No way, you should get a PS2 to play Final Fantasy. It's way better than Fable. No one really liked Fable.

While I don't own a PS2, I do think that there are some really interesting looking games for it and I want to get one at some point. I do find it odd how much game stores seem to pull for Sony though, literally making up stuff so that people don't buy the other consoles. I figure that the same thing will happen with the DS, and it sounds from the above like it will. In a way, I think it's good because the more that I hear about the PSP, the more that I think that it needs all the help it can get to establish a serious market share.

As for the Dead Pixel thing, that's interesting to note. I was just asking because I was curious to see how many of them were returned, and I'm a little surprised by the non-customer-friendly view that Sony seems to have taken with the matter too. If I get a PSP and it has four dead pixels and I try to return it, I'll be told "too bad, it isn't broken enough." That sucks.

I guess it will make the PSP look a lot more sturdy because very few will be returned for dead pixels, but at the end of the day I like Nintendo's policy a lot more...

Damnit Sony... Pull it together before the US release...

[NESVIDIOT]

I've always found Sony to be very "unfriendly" when it comes to warranty or service. Factory warranty on a new Sony is 90 days. Then good luck fighting with Sony after you've sent your system to their repair center- usually in another city- for which you pay the shipping.
Nintendo has a repair center in almost every major city that you can drive to, they are very easy to deal with and want nothing more than to please you. This is assuming you need warranty service on a Nintendo unit that has a factory 1 year warranty.
I've never had a problem with a Nintendo product or getting one fixed. It makes it easy to decide where to place your loyalties.

[GrayFox]

I forget who said something about dead pixels, but anyways, you must remember, ALL LCD monitors get dead pixels. I guarantee there are plenty of PSP's out there that have dead pixels, but, I assume people care a bit more about a faulty button.

[goatdan]

I forget who said something about dead pixels, but anyways, you must remember, ALL LCD monitors get dead pixels. I guarantee there are plenty of PSP's out there that have dead pixels, but, I assume people care a bit more about a faulty button.

I had said that before. Dead pixels are a common problem with LCD monitors, and I was wondering what the return rate was because a 5% return rate of NDS consoles with one dead pixel was not a surprise to me and seemed pretty good, while all of the people that were against it screamed that it was because the DS was being made in China.

I was curious to see how comprable they were... but if Sony doesn't let you return them, it seems to me to be a moot point as a NDS with a dead pixel can be repaired 100% of the time, while a PSP with a dead pixel is a "design feature."

:roll:

[GrayFox]

I forget who said something about dead pixels, but anyways, you must remember, ALL LCD monitors get dead pixels. I guarantee there are plenty of PSP's out there that have dead pixels, but, I assume people care a bit more about a faulty button.

I had said that before. Dead pixels are a common problem with LCD monitors, and I was wondering what the return rate was because a 5% return rate of NDS consoles with one dead pixel was not a surprise to me and seemed pretty good, while all of the people that were against it screamed that it was because the DS was being made in China.

I was curious to see how comprable they were... but if Sony doesn't let you return them, it seems to me to be a moot point as a NDS with a dead pixel can be repaired 100% of the time, while a PSP with a dead pixel is a "design feature."

:roll:

Exactly. Nintendo is repairing all of the NDS's with dead pixels, that people bring to them.

What worries me as well, I bet a lot of buyers of the PSP were casual gamers as well, and most casual gamers could care less about this button. Makes me wonder if there's many more PSP's out there that are faulty.

[Crush Crawfish]

Here's a comic on this :

http://www.snafu-comics.com/?strip_id=169

I thought it was pretty funny.

Anyways, It's stupid to design something poorly and tell people to deal with it. It's like designing a car...WITHOUT ANY WHEELS!!! And then telling people to "Deal with it" x_x

[petewhitley]

This is SO beautiful.

Sony taking the normal stance of an idiot-mainstream gamer: appearance or design over matter/playability and time after time Nintendo representatives taking the opposite: it's all about the FUN and the playability. I sure as hell know which ranks to join in this war.

This is the kind of blowhard response I hate on this board. x_x All you Nintendo diehards are too cool for me man. I'm 29 years old. I've been playing vids since the 2600. I've been a raging fan of Atari, Coleco (sorry Mattel, I never did like the Intellivision controller), yes Nintendo, Sega, NEC, Sony, and even Microsoft. I personally think that after 25 years of gaming Nintendo is at a stalemate and no longer reliably produces games that are markedly more fun than the competition. In fact, I believe that since the N64 they've been bested each generation by the competition. If that makes me the idiot-mainstream gamer, so be it. I don't want in your damn club. It's primarliy composed of kids who weren't around for the birth of NES anyways ...

[SegaAges]

i already knew before this that the psp would have problems. look at the ps2 and all the problems that it has. now i have never had any problems with my ps1, but i am on my 2nd ps2. i am still on my 1st gc and xbox, so that may say something.

that arrogant punk makes me not even want to get a psp. he thinks he is on top of the world, but seems to forget that he still has extremely healthy competition from nintendo and microsoft. i guess he will have to learn his lesson the hard way in the long run.

[jonjandran]

This is the kind of blowhard response I hate on this board. x_x All you Nintendo diehards are too cool for me man. I'm 29 years old. I've been playing vids since the 2600. I've been a raging fan of Atari, Coleco (sorry Mattel, I never did like the Intellivision controller), yes Nintendo, Sega, NEC, Sony, and even Microsoft. I personally think that after 25 years of gaming Nintendo is at a stalemate and no longer reliably produces games that are markedly more fun than the competition. In fact, I believe that since the N64 they've been bested each generation by the competition. If that makes me the idiot-mainstream gamer, so be it. I don't want in your damn club. It's primarliy composed of kids who weren't around for the birth of NES anyways ...

And THAT is the kind of blowhard response that makes me want to give up on Gamers everywhere.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO MAKES THE SYSTEM !!!!
THE GAMES ARE ALL THAT MATTER !!!!
IF THE GAME IS FUN THEN IT IS FUN !!!!
WHO CARES WHAT SYSTEM IT IS PLAYING ON !!!!

Lord is everyone in this world a 12 year old baby who can't think for themselves.

Movie quote "Let's all be good Automatons and believe what the we hear on T.V. "

[petewhitley]

This is the kind of blowhard response I hate on this board. x_x All you Nintendo diehards are too cool for me man. I'm 29 years old. I've been playing vids since the 2600. I've been a raging fan of Atari, Coleco (sorry Mattel, I never did like the Intellivision controller), yes Nintendo, Sega, NEC, Sony, and even Microsoft. I personally think that after 25 years of gaming Nintendo is at a stalemate and no longer reliably produces games that are markedly more fun than the competition. In fact, I believe that since the N64 they've been bested each generation by the competition. If that makes me the idiot-mainstream gamer, so be it. I don't want in your damn club. It's primarliy composed of kids who weren't around for the birth of NES anyways ...

And THAT is the kind of blowhard response that makes me want to give up on Gamers everywhere.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO MAKES THE SYSTEM !!!!
THE GAMES ARE ALL THAT MATTER !!!!
IF THE GAME IS FUN THEN IT IS FUN !!!!
WHO CARES WHAT SYSTEM IT IS PLAYING ON !!!!

Lord is everyone in this world a 12 year old baby who can't think for themselves.

Movie quote "Let's all be good Automatons and believe what the we hear on T.V. "

You're missing my point man. In fact, I'm not so sure you actually read my entire post (or at least you didn't carefully read it). I'm not saying Nintendo sucks. I'm not saying Sony rules. I'm saying that as much as I love Nintendo, I recognize they are currently losing the war. I'm not opposed to them kicking some ass again. But I'm not gonna blindly say they're putting out a consitently higher level of quality games than Sony is. I see alot of DP's eating up whatever pond scum Nintendo puts out. They're currently the underdog in the system wars, and "everyone" loves to root for the underdog. Who cares what system indeed! So quit the damn PSP bashing already ...

[tholly]

now i have never had any problems with my ps1, but i am on my 2nd ps2. i am still on my 1st gc and xbox, so that may say something.


that really doesn't say too much at all. you had a problem with 1 system. in real life, not the internet, i only know 1 person that had a problem with a PS2, and that was because he didn't take the best care of it and it was extremely dusty inside. we cleaned out the inside and it worked fine.

people blow problems out of proportion with all systems and we only hear about the problems, not about how great and reliable the system is.

shit, if you want to go by track record, look at all the busted NES systems that have bad 72 pin connectors in them, but no one holds that against Nintendo. people make nintendo out to be infalable, but they arent. i don't think they've come out with a must have game for me in quite some time. now, xbox, halo 2 was a must have. i don't think ive felt that way about a nintendo game in a long time.

[tholly]

reference this (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52770) thread for a nintendo problem....just an example that they dont make perfect systems, like a lot of people like to believe

[jonjandran]

You're missing my point man. I'm not saying Nintendo sucks. I'm not saying Sony rules. I'm saying that as much as I love Nintendo, I recognize they are currently losing the war. I'm not opposed to them kicking some ass again. But I'm not gonna blindly say they're putting out a consitently higher level of quality games than Sony is. I see alot of DP's eating up whatever pond scum Nintendo puts out. Who cares what system indeed! So quit the damn PSP bashing already ...

But you're missing my point.

The fact that you say Nintendo is at a Stalemate and they no longer make games that are more fun than the competition and that they are being bested by the competition means you look at it as one system against another.

I say a true gamer doesn't care who makes a console. To us it should be like a DVD Player , it's just there to play our favorite movies. Thats what our Game Systems should be there for : To play our favorite games.

My new moto : WHO CARES WHO MAKES THE SYSTEM, JUST GIVE ME AWESOME GAMES !!!

In fact I think I am going to start taking the Manufacturers names off ALL of my systems. Because for me it really doesn't even matter.

[omnedon]

Broken PS2's pay my rent.


I'm looking forward to the release of the PSP.

:-P

[petewhitley]

You're missing my point man. I'm not saying Nintendo sucks. I'm not saying Sony rules. I'm saying that as much as I love Nintendo, I recognize they are currently losing the war. I'm not opposed to them kicking some ass again. But I'm not gonna blindly say they're putting out a consitently higher level of quality games than Sony is. I see alot of DP's eating up whatever pond scum Nintendo puts out. Who cares what system indeed! So quit the damn PSP bashing already ...

But you're missing my point.

The fact that you say Nintendo is at a Stalemate and they no longer make games that are more fun than the competition and that they are being bested by the competition means you look at it as on concole against another.

I say a true gamer doesn't care who makes a console. To us it should be like a DVD Player , it's just there to play our favorite movies. Thats what our Game Systems should be there for : To play our favorite games.

My new moto : WHO CARES WHO MAKES THE SYSTEM, JUST GIVE ME AWESOME GAMES !!!

In fact I think I am going to start taking the Manufacturers names off ALL of my systems. Because for me it really doesn't even matter.

We could go back and forth, but honestly we're talking about two different things while advocating the same general attitude. I'm opposed to this fanboyish attitude that goes "I'm sticking with Sony" or "I'm sticking with the Nintendo DS". It's another thing altogether to merely point out that Nintendo has lost some of it's charm, and that Sony has picked up steam. I'm not choosing sides by declaring that Nintendo isn't as infalliable as some of the previous posters would lead us to believe.

[esquire]

that arrogant punk makes me not even want to get a psp. he thinks he is on top of the world, but seems to forget that he still has extremely healthy competition from nintendo and microsoft. i guess he will have to learn his lesson the hard way in the long run.

Amen. Maybe if enough people don't buy the PSP (not likely, but we can dream) because of this problem, Sony will have to "deal with it" and fix the problem.


people blow problems out of proportion with all systems and we only hear about the problems, not about how great and reliable the system is.

I don't know, a button on the controller not working is a pretty big problem in my eyes, especially with fighters and shooters where combos and timing are everything.

I just don't like the whole attitude Sony is taking, and their flawed logic as to why we should deal with it. From the article:


Offering additional testimony praising the handheld, Kutaragi said, "I believe we made the most beautiful thing in the world. Nobody would criticize a renowned architect's blueprint that the position of a gate is wrong. It's the same as that."

No its not the same as that, you pompous ignorant boob. People aren't complaining about the location, but rather the functionality of the button. :angry:

A more appropriate analysis would be if the gate didn't open 1/2 the time because of its location. It would make the gate pointless, and not accessible. Go back to basic Logic 101 you twit. :frustrated:

Oh and by the way, let us make our own decision as to whether the PSP is "the most beautiful thing in the world."

[SoulBlazer]

I'm going to withhold final vberdict on the PSP until I actually PLAY it. But just based off what has been released to the public so far, it does'nt SOUND good. Maybe we'll all be wrong. Who knows? But the PERCEPTION counts for a lot here and right now it's not good.

[goatdan]

I see alot of DP's eating up whatever pond scum Nintendo puts out. They're currently the underdog in the system wars, and "everyone" loves to root for the underdog. Who cares what system indeed! So quit the damn PSP bashing already ...

Nintendo is currently the underdog in the portable system wars?

As someone pointed out in a different thread, the DS is outselling the PSP in Japan by a rate of more than 2 DSes for every one PSP. That makes the PSP the underdog.

What it seems like everyone in this thread has been saying is that Sony's attitude (and who knows, maybe they are looking into it but this guy just made some STUPID comments) that Sony is stupid for telling the developers and the consumers to "deal with" the problem because the system was perfect.

I do think that the PSP will sell very strongly in the US which I think will be a good thing for competition, but I don't think it will be because the system is necessarily superior. Sony has quite the track record at taking the most underpowered system and having it win the war. Both the PS1 and the PS2 are examples of this so far. And that isn't fanboy speak -- thats technical specs matched up with sales figures.

Can Sony pull it again? So far, so good... but if they come off as cocky, that seems to be when a console manufacturer is knocked off. Remember Nintendo when Sony was going to make the Playstation extender for the SNES?

[Wavelflack]

"in real life, not the internet, i only know 1 person that had a problem with a PS2"

In real life, there are PS2 repair centers in every major game store and most minor ones...even mom & pop stores. If PS2 failure wasn't as common as "the internet" would have you believe, then why is this such a booming service industry?

Now, go ask those places if they repair Gamecube.

[GrayFox]

now, xbox, halo 2 was a must have. i don't think ive felt that way about a nintendo game in a long time.

- Random -

o.O

If you thought Halo 2 was a must have, heh, then damn, you'll be absolutely blown away by an actual must have like RE4. Go get, now! It's too good! :D

[soniko_karuto]

Is it me, or is this becoming a flame war?

I really think that sony is doing the same thing as always, bring it up front faster, so that we can shove in as many systems as we can, we can then say 'it's ok' and after we get a legal threat about fixing it, we have already fixed it, and we will only need to fix the first 100,000, wich will be only about 5% of the 2 million that's already out there, anyone opposes? no? okay, then it's settled!

5% is an acceptable rate of error, isn't it? ;)

[ubersaurus]

now, xbox, halo 2 was a must have. i don't think ive felt that way about a nintendo game in a long time.

- Random -

o.O

If you thought Halo 2 was a must have, heh, then damn, you'll be absolutely blown away by an actual must have like RE4. Go get, now! It's too good! :D

So you imply that Halo 2 is not a must have for the Xbox.

Silly man.

Anyway, with all these mistakes being made on the PSP, I wonder just how much of a contender it's going to be. Moreover, I wonder if it'll hurt the brand when the PS3 comes out.

[soniko_karuto]

halo 2 is not a must have. I've had the pleasure of playing pc fps's, and believe me, halo is not a must have. Actually, no fps is a must have.

[Berserker]

halo 2 is not a must have. I've had the pleasure of playing pc fps's, and believe me, halo is not a must have. Actually, no fps is a must have.

I don't even have an Xbox, and yet I realize that when you get a console, there are in fact, certain "must have" games that you'd be simply foolish not to eventually get. For PS2, it's the GTA series of games. For GC, well, it's a little different, pretty much their standout franchises like Zelda or Metroid. But for Xbox, perhaps moreso than the other two, is the Halo series. Like I said, I don't own an Xbox, but if I ever did decide to get one, I wouldn't even think of NOT getting the Halo titles. So, yes, I would say that they're both a "must have".

[tholly]

"in real life, not the internet, i only know 1 person that had a problem with a PS2"

In real life, there are PS2 repair centers in every major game store and most minor ones...even mom & pop stores. If PS2 failure wasn't as common as "the internet" would have you believe, then why is this such a booming service industry?

Now, go ask those places if they repair Gamecube.



someone's comment above was that there is a nintendo repair center in every major city........so, that is obviously "a booming service industry" as well, going by what you had to say

[Kid Ice]

I just don't understand why they even put the button in there in the first place. What good is a button that doesn't always work? Wouldn't it have made more sense to just leave the square button out and make it a three button controller (not counting the shoulder buttons)?

Another problem; they're depending on established franchises like Metal Gear, Gran Turismo, and Wipeout at launch. Players are already accustomed to the control styles of these games. Is Sony implying players will have to reconfigure the controls in options so the square button does something that's not important? That's really goofy.

[orangemage]

i saw this and thought it was kind of funny
http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/article/feature_why_sonys_psp_will_suck_02070458/

[Wavelflack]

"someone's comment above was that there is a nintendo repair center in every major city........so, that is obviously "a booming service industry" as well, going by what you had to say"

I like how you had to qualify the size of city that Nintendo repair centers belong in. That should be your first clue.

Here's an idea: Pick a city, do a search, and see how many Nintendo service centers are there. Now find out how many PS2 repair shops there are.

As an example, I live in a small city of 40,000+. We have no Nintendo service centers. No one advertises Xbox repair. We have four places that perform PS2 repairs.

Lesson concluded.

[petewhitley]

I see alot of DP's eating up whatever pond scum Nintendo puts out. They're currently the underdog in the system wars, and "everyone" loves to root for the underdog. Who cares what system indeed! So quit the damn PSP bashing already ...

Nintendo is currently the underdog in the portable system wars?

As someone pointed out in a different thread, the DS is outselling the PSP in Japan by a rate of more than 2 DSes for every one PSP. That makes the PSP the underdog.

Nintendo is viewed as the underdog because they're up against "big bad Sony." And you have your facts wrong. The DS, which went on sale before the PSP and without the hardware shortage suffered by Sony, has sold more overall units in Japan. The PSP is currently outselling the DS in Japan by a rate of NEARLY 2 PSPs for every one DS. And the PSP has sold more units in Japan in 2005 than the DS. Link is HERE. (http://www.the-magicbox.com/topten.htm)

[Wavelflack]

More fun!

Google search "Gamecube repair": 2180 results

Google search "PS2 repair": 46,300 results

LOL

[tholly]

More fun!

Google search "Gamecube repair": 2180 results

Google search "PS2 repair": 46,300 results

LOL


Total Gamecubes Sold = ?

Total PS2's Sold = ?

Ratio = ?