Bloody EGM!

[Ernster]

Found this article interesting if yet frustrating :angry:

Why cant people, especially a bloody VIDEOGAME mag respect Nintendo....

http://nintendonow.com/index.php?categoryid=5&m_articles_articleid=2087&PHPSESSID=d607529866bce481ad6375bda8491a06

[Iron Draggon]

That totally sucks. They should've showed the PSP and the DS side by side.

[Dk_slammer]

Bad media is going to be the downfall of Nintendo not the games nor the online support. I think its a real shame that one of the oldest and better gaming systems is going to follow the path of the dodo bird because of bad media and coverage. :(

[cr0n0]

I have that issue and I must admit that the review did sound biased. Good thing I am one of the few consumers who doesn't go by everything read in one article, but rather many articles and word of mouth. There are very few places where you would find good reviews on Nintendo products simply becuase it is adults writing the articles and Nintendo is seen as a kiddie toy that doesn't deserve any consideration from true gamers. Besides, it doesn't hurt to get on the good side of the world's largets electronic manufacturer. ;)

[Sylentwulf]

That's the stupidest article I've ever seen, and I'm not talking about the EGM article.

I can't stand EGM anymore, cancelled my subscription, thought they were a LITTLE bit biased in that article, but what is in the link is anti-egm nintendo-fanboy BS.

[BigGeorgeJohnson]

That must be the most ridicoulous thing I have ever read in my life.

[Berserker]

I can't stand EGM anymore, cancelled my subscription, thought they were a LITTLE bit biased in that article, but what is in the link is anti-egm nintendo-fanboy BS.

...Well, yeah. It's an article on nintendonow.com. Of course it's going to be biased towards Nintendo. Certainly you've got to take it with a grain of salt, but I think the article made several interesting points. And especially that cover...

There's obviously a bias here. The DS is outselling the PSP in Japan. They seemed mighty choosy in picking the hot new titles for the PSP on the horizon, while cleverly omitting the hot new titles coming for the DS.

Quite frankly I find this disgusting, and even though I haven't bought a gaming mag in many years, things like this aren't going to encourage me to start soon.

..And if it was the DS that the bias was thrown towards instead of the PSP, I'd feel the EXACT same way. Although if it was the DS, something tells me I wouldn't be reading an article denouncing it... or not as soon, in any event.

[Griking]

That must be the most ridicoulous thing I have ever read in my life.

Rather than just slamming the article as being "rediculous" why don't you give a bit more detail and explain to us why you think its rediculous. Do you disagree with any of the points that the author made? Which ones and why? And try sticking to facts in your response, not bias.

[jslithy]

I think these guys are overreacting here. First of all, the cover photo is supposed to sell magazines. The PSP is simply more eye-catching than the DS. If they had put them side-by-side, then that would only illustrate how much larger the PSP screen is.

Also, the comment about the PSP being the favorite could mean a lot of things. I took it to mean the PSP has a better chance of reaching a large audience, because of more third-party support. This is true, isn't it? The PSP is clearly the favorite among big name developers. One look at the launch games will show you that there are many more games that will appeal to the average gamer on the PSP than on the DS.

The rest of the piece is just fanboy nonsense. When the article was written, even Sony reps said the PSP would be under $200; this was not an innacuarcy. And I love it when people dismiss Acid as a card game, even though it's no more a card game than Baten Kaitos.

[BigGeorgeJohnson]

That must be the most ridicoulous thing I have ever read in my life.

Rather than just slamming the article as being "rediculous" why don't you give a bit more detail and explain to us why you think its rediculous. Do you disagree with any of the points that the author made? Which ones and why? And try sticking to facts in your response, not bias.


The article didn't seem worthy of any response. It would be the equivalent of arguing with a three year old in my opinion.

And "rather than just slamming ME, why don't you give a bit more detail and explain to us why you think it is NOT ridiculous".

[slip81]

Fuck EGM!

(sorry I'm in a bad mood, read the Digital Bar in off topic)

[Half Japanese]

Who cares? It's called the "new shit shuffle" folks. Ask Sega how they felt when the ps2 hit the scene and they weren't getting as much cover-time anymore. It's the same thing. I'm not saying the DS will end up like the DC, I'm just saying that they want the newest and hottest thing on the cover, regardless of whether or not it's put out by your favorite company. The DS is still doing fine and will continue to do so. It's also a fact that it can't put out PSP quality graphics, but does, in fact, have the advantage(?) of the touch screen. EGM chose their words poorly there and in doing so enraged a whole generation of 20-somethings who still morbidly cling to little whisps of nostalgia they hold for a multimillion dollar coroporation that shaped their youth.

Summary: get over it.

[MegaDrive20XX]

I stopped reading magazines a long time ago, I only like announcements and news online. EGM is biased. Of course they are gonna trash DS, because Sony paid them a truckload to lie and support, plus it's the new toy on the street.

[Zing]

That must be the most ridicoulous thing...

Rather than just slamming the article as being "rediculous"...

Actually, it is "ridiculous". ;)

From the article:
EGM kicks things off by declaring the Sony PSP “the clear favorite in the brewing portable brouhaha.” This is a laughable claim.

Wow, there is someone out there who doesn't think the PSP will be the system of choice? News to me.

[PDorr3]

This is really low for EGM to do...that cover is just not right. this is my highlight in that article:


The unfair reporting unfortunately seeps into the games outlined in the DS section as well. While the article promised to “look at the hottest upcoming titles” for the portables, the DS lineup displayed oddly omits many promising upcoming hits and includes a few games that seem to be the last games EGM’s target demographic would want to buy. Games like Pokemon Dash, Super Princess Peach, Frogger, and Atari Classics made it on the list while better looking, true sure-fire hits that highlight the DS’s capabilities such as Rayman DS, Metroid Prime: Hunters, Dynasty Warriors, Another Code, and Super Mario Bros. DS were strangely absent. Just the simple ridiculous decision to place Super Princess Peach as one of the hottest upcoming DS titles instead of Super Mario Bros. DS sounds like an intentionally misleading act.



that is so very intentional, i mean come on, princess peach and pokemon dash were the ONLY titles EGM could coose as "up coming hot games" out of the massive library that is lined up?

this gets me so mad...

[jonjandran]

When I read my copy of EGM , I thought the article was Crap.

And I bought that copy just for that article.

Some of the exact same things that were mentioned in the link above, were things I mentioned to my wife while I was reading the article.

Specifically I thought that the games shown for the DS were shown just to make the PSP look better graphically. Granted it is better , but still it seemed the editors were trying to really put down the DS. IMHO

[Push Upstairs]

It's EGM. This magazine hasn't been fair or unbiased since like 1990.

At least they quit rambling on non-stop about how cool "Street Fighter 2" is.


I don't know whats worse, reading that EGM article or reading the rebuttal on the Nintendo fanboy website.

[postulio]

I stopped reading magazines a long time ago, I only like announcements and news online. EGM is biased. Of course they are gonna trash DS, because Sony paid them a truckload to lie and support, plus it's the new toy on the street.



got proof? no? didnt think so, go crawl back into your hole.



on a side note, i have that issue, and i have a DS, i dont think the report was biased at all, keep in mind that that article is written approximately a month or two before it was published, at which time they really didnt know how well the DS sells and all the games were not yet anounced. so EGM reported what how things looked at that time, which were in PSP's favor, nothing wrong with that. too many fanboys throw a sissy fit when someone dares say something anit Nintendo.... ridiculous.


i own a ds and i will buy a psp, its clear as day the psp will be more powerful and i dont see a reason in beating this horse dead, egm reported whats true and egm is a mainstream magazine, therefor, whatever is more casual or mainstream will indeed take center stage.

[howdoin]

I stopped reading magazines a long time ago, I only like announcements and news online. EGM is biased. Of course they are gonna trash DS, because Sony paid them a truckload to lie and support, plus it's the new toy on the street.



got proof? no? didnt think so, go crawl back into your hole.



Obviously he does not have proof but it is common knowledge that corporations (like Sony) will offer exclusives and sudh to a magazine in exchange for a "midly" biased article or a guaranteed scrore for a review.
In fact the Editor in-chief from EGM wrote an edito about this a few months back (claiming that EGM would never resort to such things for game review) - I for myself believe that NO will refuse all the offers and that they will at some point compromise their integrety. Wether it is for an exclusive or because their ebst buddy worked on the game is not the point : THEY WILL EVENTUALLY DO IT.

[DynastyLawyer]

Who cares? It's called the "new shit shuffle" folks. Ask Sega how they felt when the ps2 hit the scene and they weren't getting as much cover-time anymore. It's the same thing. I'm not saying the DS will end up like the DC, I'm just saying that they want the newest and hottest thing on the cover, regardless of whether or not it's put out by your favorite company. The DS is still doing fine and will continue to do so. It's also a fact that it can't put out PSP quality graphics, but does, in fact, have the advantage(?) of the touch screen. EGM chose their words poorly there and in doing so enraged a whole generation of 20-somethings who still morbidly cling to little whisps of nostalgia they hold for a multimillion dollar coroporation that shaped their youth.

Summary: get over it.

I was going to post in this thread, but then you said everything I wanted to. With the exception of one thing: Sega fans were a hell of a lot more subdued when the PS2 eclipsed the Dreamcast, and in retrospect they probably had a lot more to complain about.

[MegaDrive20XX]

I stopped reading magazines a long time ago, I only like announcements and news online. EGM is biased. Of course they are gonna trash DS, because Sony paid them a truckload to lie and support, plus it's the new toy on the street.



got proof? no? didnt think so, go crawl back into your hole.



on a side note, i have that issue, and i have a DS, i dont think the report was biased at all, keep in mind that that article is written approximately a month or two before it was published, at which time they really didnt know how well the DS sells and all the games were not yet anounced. so EGM reported what how things looked at that time, which were in PSP's favor, nothing wrong with that. too many fanboys throw a sissy fit when someone dares say something anit Nintendo.... ridiculous.


i own a ds and i will buy a psp, its clear as day the psp will be more powerful and i dont see a reason in beating this horse dead, egm reported whats true and egm is a mainstream magazine, therefor, whatever is more casual or mainstream will indeed take center stage.

Excuse me, but you just pretty much repeated what I just said.

which were in PSP's favor, nothing wrong with that. too many fanboys throw a sissy fit when someone dares say something anit Nintendo.... ridiculous.

Fanboys that get paid... but the Media can be bride, look how many promotional items they get and display in their magazines..

Time for you to crawl back into your hole sir....because I know how this system works for a very long time, don't judge me unless ye be judged.

You want proof? you won't find it, because it's all about the money and they'll lie in your face if they were offered it or not.

[MegaDrive20XX]

I stopped reading magazines a long time ago, I only like announcements and news online. EGM is biased. Of course they are gonna trash DS, because Sony paid them a truckload to lie and support, plus it's the new toy on the street.



got proof? no? didnt think so, go crawl back into your hole.



Obviously he does not have proof but it is common knowledge that corporations (like Sony) will offer exclusives and sudh to a magazine in exchange for a "midly" biased article or a guaranteed scrore for a review.
In fact the Editor in-chief from EGM wrote an edito about this a few months back (claiming that EGM would never resort to such things for game review) - I for myself believe that NO will refuse all the offers and that they will at some point compromise their integrety. Wether it is for an exclusive or because their ebst buddy worked on the game is not the point : THEY WILL EVENTUALLY DO IT.

Obviously, you don't know me. Yet you prove my point by your statement,

(like Sony) will offer exclusives and sudh to a magazine in exchange for a "midly" biased article

I rest my case sir, Ziff Davis publishing and Sony Corp have been very good friends for a long time since the days of US Offical PSX Magazine...

[Half Japanese]

It's EGM. This magazine hasn't been fair or unbiased since like 1990.

At least they quit rambling on non-stop about how cool "Street Fighter 2" is.


I don't know whats worse, reading that EGM article or reading the rebuttal on the Nintendo fanboy website.

No, they haven't shut up about Street Fighter 2. They regard it to be the number one multiplayer game of all time in their recent issue, beating out Bomberman, Goldeneye, Halo, etc. (in my opinion, a 4 player game will almost always beat a 2 player game for multiplayer fun).

Secondly, I would liken the EGM article to diarrhea, for its' similarity to a pile of feces, it's annoying factor and the fact that both call for lots of paper. The fanboy article is more like vomit. Not only does it taste horrible coming back up, but you also get reminded of the unsavory article which caused it.

[portnoyd]

Bad media is going to be the downfall of Nintendo not the games nor the online support. I think its a real shame that one of the oldest and better gaming systems is going to follow the path of the dodo bird because of bad media and coverage. :(

I just have to say: the downfall of Nintendo will be because of their forehead-slappingly bad decisions of the past 8 years, and any new ones to come.

dave

[kainemaxwell]

This is a sad state of affairs.

[CartCollector]

This article is EXTREMELY biased.

...dark-horse contenders Tapwave, Gizmondo, and N-Gage...
That's basically saying they're the worst. I mean, Sony is just jumping in to this. Aren't they "dark-horse?" And the "dark-horse" contenders got the least magazine coverage, with all of them on one page.

[jslithy]

That's basically saying they're the worst. I mean, Sony is just jumping in to this. Aren't they "dark-horse?" And the "dark-horse" contenders got the least magazine coverage, with all of them on one page.

That's not at all what they're saying. When something is a dark horse, it means it's not as well known, but could still upset the competition. This may be Sony's first handheld, but they've dominated the video game industry for the past 10 years and everyone knows about the PSP.

[kainemaxwell]

That's not at all what they're saying. When something is a dark horse, it means it's not as well known, but could still upset the competition. This may be Sony's first handheld, but they've dominated the video game industry for the past 10 years and everyone knows about the PSP.
Love the fact that though there's plenty of negative report sabout the PSP, people still flock to it like lemmings.

[Iron Draggon]

I didn't feel that the Nintendo article was the least bit biased at all. It argued its points very effectively and maturely, and to simply dismiss it as the mere ramblings of some whining kiddy fanboy only shows that you are a victim of anti-Nintendo propaganda. I am not a Nintendo fanboy. If anything I'm an anti-Nintendo diehard Sega fanboy, but even I can see that the Nintendo article was clearly not biased, nor merly the ramblings of some whining kiddy fanboy. So I would suggest that if you think it was then by all means march like a lemming to the store to buy a PSP, just like all the rest of your Sony fanboy brainwashed buddies, and be happy with your poorly engineered overpriced piece of crap when it breaks within a week. And no, I'm nowhere near as anti-Sony as I am anti-Nintendo, but if you can honestly believe that Sony can do no wrong after 3 consecutive systems that all have or have had serious problems with the hardware at launch, then you are a blind idiot. Neither Sega nor Nintendo ever had as many problems with any of thei hardware at launch as Sony has, and has had repeatedly, but hey, it's your money, so go ahead and waste it on another piece of overhyped Sony shit. Then you'll be as cool as all the other pissed off people that your corporate saviour the almighty Sony will conveniently ignore, as they insist that all the problems either don't exist or they were engineered that way on purpose, just as they have done ever since they entered the gaming hardware market.

[Push Upstairs]

No, they haven't shut up about Street Fighter 2. They regard it to be the number one multiplayer game of all time in their recent issue, beating out Bomberman, Goldeneye, Halo, etc.

:shameful:

[swlovinist]

I agree the article sucks(but consider the source x_x ), but I also agree that the "fanboyism" is in full effect.

1. Although the DS is selling more in Japan, it came out first and is cheaper, of course it is going to sell more. Japan is alot different than the US when it comes to games. Only time will tell what portable will really be doing better sales wise. It is too early to determine that yet, shit the PSP is still not out here, and both systems were just recently launched in Japan.

2. Nintendo will be the only ones in the end that will hurt their sales, not a shitty mag, nor a shitty article. You want to shoot your success of a launch of a new system? Come out with a dozen or so games and then wait a half year to come out with more titles. Yeah, that sounds like a good counterpunch to the PSP O_O .

3. If you know me, I am a HUGE NINTENDO FAN and thier products. If you ask me they are playing the wrong game with Sony and thier portable. I personally think that BOTH of the systems could possibly be shadowed by the launch of possibly 3 new home consoles in the next year and a half. MOST people are going to chose a system or two and not purchase all of them. If I have a choice, I will probably be getting a new Xbox when they drop to $99 in the distant future!

4. The PSP has its issues, but Nintendo is not helping themselves out AT ALL. I feel that Nintendo got scared that Sony was releasing a next gen gaming device, and so they rushed a "portable to cover the bases till the GBA2 comes out". It shows, it really shows. Personaly, both portables can kiss my ass.

[soniko_karuto]

EGM kicks things off by declaring the Sony PSP “the clear favorite in the brewing portable brouhaha.” This is a laughable claim. Clear favorite? Says who? It certainly cannot be the gamers because the PSP has not even been released yet in the US and is behind the DS in overall sales in Japan.

Aaah, where o where is pete when you need him. ROFL

[ManciGames]

Love the fact that though there's plenty of negative report sabout the PSP, people still flock to it like lemmings.

People are flocking to it like lemmings because there's more good games in the lanuch library than the DS has managed to scrounge together in the three months since it's release. When Tiger Woods Golf is the best game for your system, you've got a problem. Feel the Magic is pretty good to, but only lasts for about an hour.

[Captain Wrong]

Who cares? It's called the "new shit shuffle" folks. Ask Sega how they felt when the ps2 hit the scene and they weren't getting as much cover-time anymore. It's the same thing. I'm not saying the DS will end up like the DC, I'm just saying that they want the newest and hottest thing on the cover, regardless of whether or not it's put out by your favorite company. The DS is still doing fine and will continue to do so. It's also a fact that it can't put out PSP quality graphics, but does, in fact, have the advantage(?) of the touch screen. EGM chose their words poorly there and in doing so enraged a whole generation of 20-somethings who still morbidly cling to little whisps of nostalgia they hold for a multimillion dollar coroporation that shaped their youth.

Summary: get over it.

I was going to post in this thread, but then you said everything I wanted to. With the exception of one thing: Sega fans were a hell of a lot more subdued when the PS2 eclipsed the Dreamcast, and in retrospect they probably had a lot more to complain about.

Amen. Even when Sega fans grumbled about basis, it was a bit more restrained and a bit more believeable.


I just have to say: the downfall of Nintendo will be because of their forehead-slappingly bad decisions of the past 8 years, and any new ones to come.

dave

And here we have a winner. At least Sega fans could admit that Sega cocked up with the CD, 32X and the Saturn. While Nintendo hasn't quite had a screw up as spectacular (except for the Virtual Boy,) the company has made some decisions that anyone looking from an objective viewpoint would consider as bad.

The idea that if, if, anything bad happens to Nintendo it's a product of anything other than their bad decisions in the last 2 hardware generations is completely laughable. This is the company that had a lead pipe cinch on the console market for a long time and still dominates the handheld market. The fact of the matter is, Sony came along and shook up the market and rather than trying to compete, Nintendo stubbornly plods along like it's Christmas 1989.

Deny it if you want, but thems the facts kids.

[Slate]

I can accept that EGM likes PSP over every other handheld. Their mag does not make PSP any better then any other handheld- Not even Microvision.

EGM is not going to convinvce me that PSP is better than DS.

[Zubiac666]

wow first Game Informers "Paper Mario 2" review ("we rated games on what people want to hear not what we think about the game"=6.5)
and now this

great
that even strongers my Nintendo-fanboyism

get N or get out

[Push Upstairs]

If I have a choice, I will probably be getting a new Xbox when they drop to $99 in the distant future!

Same here. Xbox + Outrun 2 8-)


The PSP has its issues, but Nintendo is not helping themselves out AT ALL. I feel that Nintendo got scared that Sony was releasing a next gen gaming device, and so they rushed a "portable to cover the bases till the GBA2 comes out". It shows, it really shows. Personaly, both portables can kiss my ass.


I feel the exact same way.

The thing that gets me is that if Sony or Microsoft had cobbled together something like the DS all the Nintendo fanatics would be saying how slapped together that thing was and that it would never de-throne Nintendo's gameboy line.

But since the DS is made by Nintendo it has to be gold.



At least Sega fans could admit that Sega cocked up with the CD, 32X and the Saturn. While Nintendo hasn't quite had a screw up as spectacular (except for the Virtual Boy,) the company has made some decisions that anyone looking from an objective viewpoint would consider as bad.

I'm a Sega fan and i can fully admit Sega f**ked up on alll three of those things.

With that said, i can also see where Nintendo is doing stupid things as well.

Does this mean i want Nintendo quit? No, but when you have seen one company make some forehead slapping decisions its not hard to see when another one is.