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davidbrit2
02-27-2005, 10:58 PM
Is anybody else as rabid over this as I am? It's like the Cadillac of racing games (hur hur). 1080i HDTV mode is absolutely incredible. Of course, it's the only game I've played in anything but standard NTSC 480i other than Dreamcast in VGA, so I don't have much basis for comparison. ;-) I can't even imagine playing in 6-screen mode using a half dozen HDTV widescreens. Jesus.
Camera mode rocks. But I can't figure out how to take photos of race replays. I've heard some people mentioning it like it's possible, but I sure as hell haven't figured it out. Any hints?
hydr0x
02-27-2005, 11:35 PM
i only know it's possible to take those shots, no idea how
imho GT4 would be a great game if they wouldn't call it realistic, this game ain't realistic at all, physics ain't and there's no damage so please don't call it realistic
other than that, it's great
retroman
02-27-2005, 11:44 PM
i have been playing the shit out of it to....good game...but i am a little disapointed in the graphs...not much of a improvement over gt3
davidbrit2
02-27-2005, 11:46 PM
Yeah, there are a few things that keep GT4 from being perfect.
No damage.
No fuel tank simulation (burn rate, weight decrease, etc).
No online support.
I'm not sure if tire wear has been improved, because I haven't played endurance yet.
But other than that, I can almost feel my GPA dropping while I play this game for hours on end.
Jibbajaba
02-28-2005, 02:42 AM
I played this game for a while this weekend. If I were to sum it up in one word, it would be "meh". I don't see any radical improvements over GT3. Same game with more cars and new tracks IMHO. I would say pick it up if you played this shit out of GT3 and need something new, but I still have a ways to go in GT3 so I see no reason to buy GT4.
Chris
I played this game for a while this weekend. If I were to sum it up in one word, it would be "meh". I don't see any radical improvements over GT3. Same game with more cars and new tracks IMHO. I would say pick it up if you played this shit out of GT3 and need something new, but I still have a ways to go in GT3 so I see no reason to buy GT4.
Chris
I disagree the vehicles seems to perform much better in this version. You feel much more connected to the road. The tracks have been greatly improved too. There no longer bumpy as all hell when theres an elevation change. A big plus for me is the car selection, theres some real variety. I love the ammount of classics they put in. Theres still 20+ skylines but you can now drive trucks minivans, even the model t.
davidbrit2
03-06-2005, 05:57 PM
I just got the Logitech Driving Force (not Pro). I can sum up the experience in 3 bytes:
O_O
Captain Wrong
03-06-2005, 09:00 PM
Yeah, there are a few things that keep GT4 from being perfect.
No damage.
No fuel tank simulation (burn rate, weight decrease, etc).
No online support.
I'm not sure if tire wear has been improved, because I haven't played endurance yet.
You forgot the biggest one. The opponent AI is still weak. This game is very pretty and collecting cars is fun, but this series, in my mind, has always been lacking because the racing part of things is always going to be about tuning your car rather than actual racing. All the drones just drive the race line and don't put up much challenge. Once you figure out how to tweek your car and stay within the limits set for the race, you're golden.
I still think some of the best AI I've ever played against was in TOCA on the PSX. Yeah, that game was UGLY, but if you started playing bumper cars like you can in GT, the other drivers in TOCA start fighting back.
Oh, and the given excuse for the lack of damage, that the manufacturers don't want their cars banged up, is bullcrap. I think almost all of the major makers cars have appeared in one game or another that allowed damage.
davidbrit2
03-06-2005, 09:22 PM
Yeah, true, the AI pretty much flat out sucks. Ha ha. They drive like you aren't even there. Of course, that does mean that you can do the same to them. ;-) Despite that, they still put up a respectable fight, as long as you aren't just blowing past them with the 800+ HP Cadillac Cien or something.
And I noticed that GT4 does have a proper fuel tank, though I'm not sure if it has any effect on weight distribution of the car. I suppose it wouldn't be a big deal if it doesn't, because your shredded tires would be the bigger issue if you're driving long enough to almost drain the tank.
Captain Wrong
03-09-2005, 09:20 PM
OK, so what am I doing wrong that 1080i won't work? I've got a compatable TV, component cables, and the games. What gives???
davidbrit2
03-09-2005, 10:09 PM
Strange. I'm able to just go into screen settings, change it to 16:9 and 1080i, and that's it. What happens when you try to do it? No picture? Does 480p work?
Also keep in mind that the game defaults to standard NTSC 480i every time you start it up. This is sort of a safety feature to prevent against having to delete your save file because of not having access to a 1080i television. It's saved my ass a few times so far when I forget to set the game back to standard video after playing on the huge HDTV in my apartment lounge. ;-)
racecar
03-09-2005, 11:30 PM
the controll on the new gt4($$$) wheel lack's consistant feedback..and it's too stiff
..i preferred on the analog controller.. the graphic's are good ..but it would be better on a lcd/plasma tv :D
davidbrit2
03-10-2005, 12:04 AM
the controll on the new gt4($$$) wheel lack's consistant feedback..and it's too stiff
You mean the $150 Driving Force Pro? I haven't tried that one myself, but the less expensive Driving Force works like a dream. Ferrari F355 controls a little weird with it, though, because there's a HUGE dead zone in that game. Maybe a little control setting tweaking will fix that.
Oobgarm
03-10-2005, 12:07 AM
You think that the Driving Force is good, wait until to try the DF Pro. It takes all of those small physics/handling tweaks and puts them to good use. Well worth the scratch if you can foot it.
The only downside is trying to find a place to put the damn thing, since the lap rest from the GT/Driving force wheel doesn't fit it. Desk clamp is the only way to go.
Captain Wrong
03-10-2005, 09:54 AM
Strange. I'm able to just go into screen settings, change it to 16:9 and 1080i, and that's it. What happens when you try to do it? No picture? Does 480p work?
Yeah, it goes weird for a second, then I get no picture at all. 480p works ok though. I'm wondering if it's not the TV, it can be a bit wonky from time to time.
WanganRunner
03-10-2005, 01:20 PM
Damage in racing games is retarded.
GT doesn't need accurately modeled damage, and neither does anything else.
If you hit something any harder than some predetermined variable (x, let's say), the race is over, right there. THAT would be real. Either your car is ok or it isn't. No one goes flying off the track into a barrier at 90mph and then finishes the race in real life, the car is just trashed, it's over. That's how the game should be.
Captain Wrong
03-10-2005, 01:48 PM
Damage in racing games is retarded.
GT doesn't need accurately modeled damage, and neither does anything else.
If you hit something any harder than some predetermined variable (x, let's say), the race is over, right there. THAT would be real. Either your car is ok or it isn't. No one goes flying off the track into a barrier at 90mph and then finishes the race in real life, the car is just trashed, it's over. That's how the game should be.
While I agree with your second thought, I strongly disagree with the first. Anything claiming to be the "real" diving simulator should be able to show the real effects of real conditions on the cars. I'm not talking bang up derby here, but the cars in GT4 don't even get dirty on a dirt track. Little things like that kind of blow the whole "realism" aspect for me.
I think being able to damage your car would make the game better because there'd be no more playing bumper cars or bouncing off the walls. Even little rubs that won't stop your car dead will effect the performance in real life, and I think the game should reflect that.
At the very least though, you shouldn't be able to fly into a wall and still win the race.
I've always been a passionate Gran Turismo fan and looked forward to 4 with great anticipation. I've spent years playing 1, 2 and 3 with great pleasure.
It was very surprising when I came to the realization that I greatly disliked 4. Got all of my licences (easier by far), played to 30% and couldn't stomach the slow pace and new physics engine any longer. I felt that the new direction of the game was very suppressive. To call me disappointed would be the understatement of the year.
It's okay though. Not everyone's going to love it. (I loved B-spec mode however)
ECWSandmanECW
03-10-2005, 07:43 PM
Playing through it now, at 38.5 %
Captain Wrong
03-11-2005, 06:30 PM
Probably a stupid question, but the instructions were less than helpful. What are the A-Spec points for? I know you get more for racing with an underpowered car, but what good is earning them?
ECWSandmanECW
03-11-2005, 08:21 PM
I think there worthless, it's just a stat.
video_game_addict
03-11-2005, 09:24 PM
I'm guessing you unlock more courses & features as you earn A-spec points.
Muscelli
03-11-2005, 10:40 PM
what??? I like the menu navigation, and the graphics are A+
Barbarianoutkast85
03-11-2005, 10:46 PM
Ive been waiting for this game forever but it kept geting pushed back. It finally comes out and I go to buy it I had to write out a check since my bank card didnt come in the mail yet but the store doesnt take checks sooo I gotta wait till this tuesday. But I can feel hours apon hours of my life being lost to this game. When GT3 was new I played from 3 in the afternoon when i got out of class untill 9:30 the next morning when I had class again. It was nuts.
Barbarianoutkast85
03-11-2005, 10:46 PM
Ive been waiting for this game forever but it kept geting pushed back. It finally comes out and I go to buy it I had to write out a check since my bank card didnt come in the mail yet but the store doesnt take checks sooo I gotta wait till this tuesday. But I can feel hours apon hours of my life being lost to this game. When GT3 was new I played from 3 in the afternoon when i got out of class untill 9:30 the next morning when I had class again. It was nuts.
davidbrit2
03-11-2005, 10:56 PM
I'm guessing you unlock more courses & features as you earn A-spec points.
Actually unlocking new courses for Arcade mode is based on your number of days. I'm not sure about cars, though. The A-Spec points are pretty much just for e-penis kind of stuff. I suspect they would have been more significant had online features been included. Or not. You never know with Polyphony. Ha ha.
Captain Wrong
03-11-2005, 11:12 PM
You never know with Polyphony. Ha ha.
So true. Hell, it's almost as much fun to wait for people to uncover bugs, loopholes and things accidentally left in the games as it is to play them. I know GT2 had tons of stuff like that, maybe GT4 will too.
BTW, anyone else find themselves enjoying the B-Spec mode more than you thought you would?
slip81
03-11-2005, 11:24 PM
I thought about picking this up, but then I found out that the release of Forza Motorsport is very close so I'm waiting to see which one turns out better. GT will most likely run circles around FM, but FM does sport online play.
davidbrit2
03-12-2005, 12:44 AM
So true. Hell, it's almost as much fun to wait for people to uncover bugs, loopholes and things accidentally left in the games as it is to play them. I know GT2 had tons of stuff like that, maybe GT4 will too.
Yeah, I'm crossing my fingers that something like the "go outside Laguna Seca" bug shows up sooner or later. Launching your monster racer 200+ ft. into the air and watching the replays makes for a hell of a good time. And then there's the classic mach 1 wheelie popping you can do in GT3 with a certain amount of tuning trickery.
BTW, anyone else find themselves enjoying the B-Spec mode more than you thought you would?
I actually haven't tried it yet, mostly because it looks scary and complicated. Which is funny, considering the game is already scary and complicated to begin with.
Captain Wrong
03-12-2005, 11:58 AM
BTW, anyone else find themselves enjoying the B-Spec mode more than you thought you would?
I actually haven't tried it yet, mostly because it looks scary and complicated. Which is funny, considering the game is already scary and complicated to begin with.
Actually, it's very simple (and it lets you compete in races you don't have a license for, giving kind of a preview.) It's kind of like being the spotter in a rally car. Try it, it's super intuitive and, maybe it's just me, but addicting as hell.