Fun with Lightspan!!!

[Iron Draggon]

Just out of curiosity, why are all those Lightspan games so rare, and where the heck do they come from? I've never even seen or heard of any of them before I saw them all listed as R8 in the rarity guide. And there's a ton of them too. So I would say they're the PSX equivalent of Panesian games for the NES. Just ignore them and pretend that they don't exist, because for all practical purposes, obviously they don't. They're all nothing but a bunch of education crap anyway, so who cares? I certainly have no desire for them. I wouldn't even care if they were R9 or R10, they're all still pointless to me.

As for the rest, I have almost all of the R7's already, and there's only one that I don't have yet that I want. Now if only I could afford it. I know where I can get a factory sealed one, if it's still there, but they want $75 for it. And I just can't afford it yet. So it's on my wishlist. And there's only one other besides that one that I'm wondering about. Castlevania Chronicles. I don't believe that it's listed as rare in the rarity guide, but I've heard here that it is. And the going prices for it on ebay, especially factory sealed, are even more than that $75 R7 that I want. So what's up with that? I heard that it was only $20 when it was released a year or two ago, and my stupid ass didn't get it. Now it's rapidly approaching Radiant Silvergun status, at the rate that it's going, and no doubt it will become the first $500 PSX game pretty soon. So I'd like to get it too, but first I want to get that other R7 that I want.

[Dangerboy]

Just out of curiosity, why are all those Lightspan games so rare, and where the heck do they come from? I've never even seen or heard of any of them before I saw them all listed as R8 in the rarity guide. And there's a ton of them too.

Lightspan Technologies was an education based company looking to try something different. The Lightspan games were considered educational materials, so they fell into the "schools only" club of distribution. You had to have an interview with Lightspan through the school in order to obtain sets, and even then, you had to pay out the nose for the sets.

The series started back in 1996/7ish, so that's why there's so many of them. Not to mention all the re-printings.


So I would say they're the PSX equivalent of Panesian games for the NES.

And we have this week's winner for worst...comparison... ever. Panesian games were 3 games that were simply pornographic hacks of existing NES Games that were unlicensed, poorly made, and had little to do with Nintendo themselves.

Lightspan worked hand-in-hand with Sony, all Lightspan games are Officially Sony published, have the proper PSRM number assignments from Sony's data-base catalogue, and Sony helped provide the actual PlayStation and PSOne decks. They also helped in creating a special adapter which I am researching right now, and once that research is done, I'll present it to the masses.


Just ignore them and pretend that they don't exist, because for all practical purposes, obviously they don't. They're all nothing but a bunch of education crap anyway, so who cares?

Quite a few people do, actually, Myself included. And just because you don't care for something to exist doesn't mean is doesn't.

Also, having played several of them for the PSX Perfect Guide, a few of them are actually quite interesting, including what could be considered the Math version fo Tetris.



I certainly have no desire for them. I wouldn't even care if they were R9 or R10, they're all still pointless to me.


Wonderful for you, now stop being so ignorant.


Castlevania Chronicles. I don't believe that it's listed as rare in the rarity guide, but I've heard here that it is.

More in demand than rare. I recall being able to trip over them when they first came out.


And the going prices for it on ebay, especially factory sealed, are even more than that $75 R7 that I want. So what's up with that?

Easy math equation:
in demand game + nostalgia + sel created word of mouth hype + ebay's fanatical snipers = over priced game that should not be more than the $20 it went for.


I heard that it was only $20 when it was released a year or two ago, and my stupid ass didn't get it.


Yep. $19.99 retail.


Now it's rapidly approaching Radiant Silvergun status, at the rate that it's going, and no doubt it will become the first $500 PSX game pretty soon


Too late. The original Dragonball GT: Final Bout, in it's hey day, hit a roof of about $650-700 for a sealed one. Now, thanks to the re-release, it goes for crap.

[Iron Draggon]

Well whatever they are, I still could care less, and will never consider them to be part of the official PSX library, or necessary for a complete PSX collection. Hence the reason why I compared them to those Panesian games for the NES. Most people here don't consider those to be official or necessary either.

I feel the same way about protos and most of the R9's and R10's for all the systems. Those "games" were never intended for release as official releases, nor were they ever intended to be part of the collection of official releases. Former rental exclusives would be the only games that I would ever consider worth tracking down for their rarity, and only then if they were actual games that you could rent, and not just some special cart made for some contest.

So as far as I'm concerned, most R9's and R10's don't even exist, and even most R8's can barely be considered tangible. If you want to waste all of your money on those kinds of things, then have at it, but only other people who waste all their money on that kinda stuff really care. The rest of us just stick to the reasonably obtainable games, and ignore the rest as nonexistant stuff.

Which means that my one R8 is really more like an R10, and all my other games are actually 2 levels higher than their accepted rarity here. So I really have no R1's or R2's, I only have R3's and above. Because chances are, I will never have any "real" R9's or R10's, and very few more R8's than the one that I already have, if I ever even get anymore R8's at all. So on my scale, that makes my R8 the same as an R10 for someone who bothers with stuff like protos and unreleased games and tries to convince themselves that they actually count for something in the real world, when they really count for nothing unless you're one of those people who bothers with stuff like that.

[Kroogah]

Well whatever they are, I still could care less, and will never consider them to be part of the official PSX library, or necessary for a complete PSX collection. Hence the reason why I compared them to those Panesian games for the NES. Most people here don't consider those to be official or necessary either.

I feel the same way about protos and most of the R9's and R10's for all the systems. Those "games" were never intended for release as official releases, nor were they ever intended to be part of the collection of official releases. Former rental exclusives would be the only games that I would ever consider worth tracking down for their rarity, and only then if they were actual games that you could rent, and not just some special cart made for some contest.

So as far as I'm concerned, most R9's and R10's don't even exist, and even most R8's can barely be considered tangible. If you want to waste all of your money on those kinds of things, then have at it, but only other people who waste all their money on that kinda stuff really care. The rest of us just stick to the reasonably obtainable games, and ignore the rest as nonexistant stuff.

Which means that my one R8 is really more like an R10, and all my other games are actually 2 levels higher than their accepted rarity here. So I really have no R1's or R2's, I only have R3's and above. Because chances are, I will never have any "real" R9's or R10's, and very few more R8's than the one that I already have, if I ever even get anymore R8's at all. So on my scale, that makes my R8 the same as an R10 for someone who bothers with stuff like protos and unreleased games and tries to convince themselves that they actually count for something in the real world, when they really count for nothing unless you're one of those people who bothers with stuff like that.

:hmm:

[Solar77]

Those "games" were never intended for release as official releases, nor were they ever intended to be part of the collection of official releases.

So the intent of the publisher determines collectibility? Video games were "never intended" to become collectibles at all. That's why they're rare and, therefore worth alot of money in many cases...



If you want to waste all of your money on those kinds of things, then have at it, but only other people who waste all their money on that kinda stuff really care. The rest of us just stick to the reasonably obtainable games, and ignore the rest as nonexistant stuff.

People who collect and pay top $$ for unreleased and special market material are wasting their money, but people who pay top $$ for video games released to the mass market are spending their money prudently?

That is the most asinine thing I've read on these boards in ages. Collect whatever the hell you want to collect, but dont knock what other people like. I'm pretty sure that the general public would consider video game collecting in general to be a waste of money. They'd be wrong just like you.



Which means that my one R8 is really more like an R10, and all my other games are actually 2 levels higher than their accepted rarity here. So I really have no R1's or R2's, I only have R3's and above. Because chances are, I will never have any "real" R9's or R10's, and very few more R8's than the one that I already have, if I ever even get anymore R8's at all. So on my scale, that makes my R8 the same as an R10 for someone who bothers with stuff like protos and unreleased games and tries to convince themselves that they actually count for something in the real world, when they really count for nothing unless you're one of those people who bothers with stuff like that.

Well, why dont you put out your own rarity guide and STFU?

[fishsandwich]

I COULD CARE LESS!

I was an English major in college, and I sometimes feel the need to give a brief English lesson when I see this phrase.

The correct phrase is "I COULDN'T care less!"

To say you "Could care less" implies that you do care, at least to some extent. In the confines of the sentence's meaning, it's entirely possible to infer that you could actually care a great deal. To say that you COULDN'T care less clearly means that you do not care at all.

It's is THE CONTRACTION of it is, not the possessive form of It.

Example: That car is ugly. It's a shame that someone painted its exterior such an ugly color.

There- A place. Go over there and shut up.

Their- Possessive form of they. Their butts were huge, but their boobs were small.

They're- Contraction of They and Are. They're a bunch of idiots and their butts are huge. I wish they would go over there and shut their mouths.

Cheers

:D

[ClubNinja]

fishsandwich - Thank you for accurately detailing a common mistake that annoys me to no end. :)

[bargora]

Well whatever they are, I still could care less, and will never consider them to be part of the official PSX library, or necessary for a complete PSX collection. Hence the reason why I compared them to those Panesian games for the NES. Most people here don't consider those to be official or necessary either.

I feel the same way about protos and most of the R9's and R10's for all the systems. Those "games" were never intended for release as official releases, nor were they ever intended to be part of the collection of official releases. Former rental exclusives would be the only games that I would ever consider worth tracking down for their rarity, and only then if they were actual games that you could rent, and not just some special cart made for some contest.

So as far as I'm concerned, most R9's and R10's don't even exist, and even most R8's can barely be considered tangible. If you want to waste all of your money on those kinds of things, then have at it, but only other people who waste all their money on that kinda stuff really care. The rest of us just stick to the reasonably obtainable games, and ignore the rest as nonexistant stuff.

Which means that my one R8 is really more like an R10, and all my other games are actually 2 levels higher than their accepted rarity here. So I really have no R1's or R2's, I only have R3's and above. Because chances are, I will never have any "real" R9's or R10's, and very few more R8's than the one that I already have, if I ever even get anymore R8's at all. So on my scale, that makes my R8 the same as an R10 for someone who bothers with stuff like protos and unreleased games and tries to convince themselves that they actually count for something in the real world, when they really count for nothing unless you're one of those people who bothers with stuff like that.
Thank you for helping me fill my USRDA for crazy talk.

Fishwich, I was about to bitch you out for using the nearly-invisible yellow text, but then I realized that most of you don't use the "chronicles" skin for the forum. Your transgression is forgiven. 8-)

Regarding these rarified rarities (and omitting the Lightspan titles, not because they "don't count", but because there are so damn many of them), which of the ones listed in the first post are actually cool games that are fun to play? I read a review that was enthusiastic about Team Buddies. Was that one common in its PAL release?

[PapaStu]

Well whatever they are, I still could care less, and will never consider them to be part of the official PSX library, or necessary for a complete PSX collection. Hence the reason why I compared them to those Panesian games for the NES. Most people here don't consider those to be official or necessary either.

I feel the same way about protos and most of the R9's and R10's for all the systems. Those "games" were never intended for release as official releases, nor were they ever intended to be part of the collection of official releases. Former rental exclusives would be the only games that I would ever consider worth tracking down for their rarity, and only then if they were actual games that you could rent, and not just some special cart made for some contest.

So as far as I'm concerned, most R9's and R10's don't even exist, and even most R8's can barely be considered tangible. If you want to waste all of your money on those kinds of things, then have at it, but only other people who waste all their money on that kinda stuff really care. The rest of us just stick to the reasonably obtainable games, and ignore the rest as nonexistant stuff.

Which means that my one R8 is really more like an R10, and all my other games are actually 2 levels higher than their accepted rarity here. So I really have no R1's or R2's, I only have R3's and above. Because chances are, I will never have any "real" R9's or R10's, and very few more R8's than the one that I already have, if I ever even get anymore R8's at all. So on my scale, that makes my R8 the same as an R10 for someone who bothers with stuff like protos and unreleased games and tries to convince themselves that they actually count for something in the real world, when they really count for nothing unless you're one of those people who bothers with stuff like that.

Well dont worry then buddy cause when I drop the rarity down on the more commong ones you wont neeed to worry about these intangibles that arnt avaliable outside of ebay unleass your part of an elementary school that paid DEARLY to get them. They do count as released games, however they arnt IMO needed to be part of a Complete PS collection because they wernt RETAIL available. But at no point does that mean that that A. They dont exist B. Arnt rare as hell and C. Still something that a complete collector of the PS front would go for. Hell NES collectors go after the NWC, the Panasians and the Sachen titles... This is NO different in that effect.

[Iron Draggon]

This is RETARDED. People defending those stupid Lightspan games as if they actually mean something to anyone besides all the people stupid enough to waste their money on them. Yes, they exist. Big freakin' deal. Does anyone who DOESN'T come here KNOW that they exist? NO, they don't. Not unless they actually go to one of those schools that paid dearly for them, or they work at one of those schools. So again I say, THESE GAMES DON'T COUNT!

If you want to collect them all, FINE. Put them all in their own little specialty section of useless tripe that hardly anyone gives a damn about, and have yourself a field day spending $1000's just to get them all. WOW, aren't you COOL, you have ALL the Lightspan games! Meanwhile, the mass majority of gamers are asking WTF is a Lightspan game? Yeah, real impressive collection.

My contention with them is still that #1, they were NEVER sold at RETAIL! So that's as good as a NON-release, as far as I'm concerned. I swear, some of y'all completists are so damned obssessed with having every single game ever made for every single system ever made that if ET for the 2600 had never been released, you'd all be out in the desert, digging up holes, trying to find out where Atari buried all the carts! That's how INSANE y'all are.

Now for the rest of us, the SANE ones, there is NO point in owning every single Lightspan game, just because they're all R8. And honestly, would half of you who defend them so ardently be defending them so ardently if they were all R1? I don't think so. You only want them because you think they make you cool. That they make you better than everyone else somehow. You certainly don't want them because you actually want to PLAY them.

The same goes for most of the proto's, beta's, demo's, competition carts, etc. How many of you who own some of these things actually PLAY them? And if you do, are they actually as enjoyable as an official retail release? Or are they just some incomplete piece of history with no real value whatsoever other than historical value, which you equate into a monetary value because you need to find a way to be able to brag about having something that no one else has, or very few other people have? Let's face it, if it's really THAT rare, then it belongs in a MUSEUM, not in your collection. So if it's not THAT rare, then the only people who give a damn about it are you and the few other people who collect that sort of thing. The rest of the world just sighs and rolls their eyes, and laughs at all the money that you waste on Lightspan games. Because they know that they're really just much ado about nothing.

I wouldn't collect them even if they were released at retail. Because they're still nothing but just a bunch of educational games. And frankly, I really don't think that they even belong in the same section of the rarity guide as all of the official US releases. If they were NEVER sold at RETAIL, then how can they possibly be construed to be official US releases? Just because some US based company released them all to schools in the US who bought them? That's not exactly an official US release, dipshit. Does Sony recognize them all as official US releases? NOPE, I don't think so. And I DARE you to PROVE that they do. Because you know you can't. They're a niche item, and they were NEVER intended to be an OFFICIAL part of the PlayStation library. Which is the ONLY reason why they're all "R8". Not that any of them actually COUNT, because they DON'T, but whatever. If you believe that they do, it only proves just how INSANE you are to actually give a damn about such nonsense. The rest of us are still laughing our asses off at your stupidity.

[dreamcaster]

Says the guy with the factory sealed games wish list. :roll:

I could make the same argument you just made against your own desires.

Why can't you accept other people's opinions?

[Vroomfunkel]

I wouldn't really count a NWC cart as an 'official retail' item either - or proto carts. That doesn't prevent them from having a rarity and a value.

Whether you want to 'count' Lightspan games for your collection or not is entirely up to you. If you don't think they count, that's fine .. don't get them. But don't assume that anybody else cares what you think!

Btw .. do you even collect PS1 games?

Vroomfunkel

[Kroogah]

This is RETARDED. People defending those stupid Lightspan games as if they actually mean something to anyone besides all the people stupid enough to waste their money on them. Yes, they exist. Big freakin' deal. Does anyone who DOESN'T come here KNOW that they exist? NO, they don't. Not unless they actually go to one of those schools that paid dearly for them, or they work at one of those schools. So again I say, THESE GAMES DON'T COUNT!

If you want to collect them all, FINE. Put them all in their own little specialty section of useless tripe that hardly anyone gives a damn about, and have yourself a field day spending $1000's just to get them all. WOW, aren't you COOL, you have ALL the Lightspan games! Meanwhile, the mass majority of gamers are asking WTF is a Lightspan game? Yeah, real impressive collection.

My contention with them is still that #1, they were NEVER sold at RETAIL! So that's as good as a NON-release, as far as I'm concerned. I swear, some of y'all completists are so damned obssessed with having every single game ever made for every single system ever made that if ET for the 2600 had never been released, you'd all be out in the desert, digging up holes, trying to find out where Atari buried all the carts! That's how INSANE y'all are.

Now for the rest of us, the SANE ones, there is NO point in owning every single Lightspan game, just because they're all R8. And honestly, would half of you who defend them so ardently be defending them so ardently if they were all R1? I don't think so. You only want them because you think they make you cool. That they make you better than everyone else somehow. You certainly don't want them because you actually want to PLAY them.

The same goes for most of the proto's, beta's, demo's, competition carts, etc. How many of you who own some of these things actually PLAY them? And if you do, are they actually as enjoyable as an official retail release? Or are they just some incomplete piece of history with no real value whatsoever other than historical value, which you equate into a monetary value because you need to find a way to be able to brag about having something that no one else has, or very few other people have? Let's face it, if it's really THAT rare, then it belongs in a MUSEUM, not in your collection. So if it's not THAT rare, then the only people who give a damn about it are you and the few other people who collect that sort of thing. The rest of the world just sighs and rolls their eyes, and laughs at all the money that you waste on Lightspan games. Because they know that they're really just much ado about nothing.

I wouldn't collect them even if they were released at retail. Because they're still nothing but just a bunch of educational games. And frankly, I really don't think that they even belong in the same section of the rarity guide as all of the official US releases. If they were NEVER sold at RETAIL, then how can they possibly be construed to be official US releases? Just because some US based company released them all to schools in the US who bought them? That's not exactly an official US release, dipshit. Does Sony recognize them all as official US releases? NOPE, I don't think so. And I DARE you to PROVE that they do. Because you know you can't. They're a niche item, and they were NEVER intended to be an OFFICIAL part of the PlayStation library. Which is the ONLY reason why they're all "R8". Not that any of them actually COUNT, because they DON'T, but whatever. If you believe that they do, it only proves just how INSANE you are to actually give a damn about such nonsense. The rest of us are still laughing our asses off at your stupidity.

Take your pills, eat a biscotti, whatever, but if you continue the aimless personal attacks and baseless arguments I'm locking the thread. kthx.

[Geddon_jt]

This is RETARDED. People defending those stupid Lightspan games as if they actually mean something to anyone besides all the people stupid enough to waste their money on them. Yes, they exist. Big freakin' deal. Does anyone who DOESN'T come here KNOW that they exist? NO, they don't. Not unless they actually go to one of those schools that paid dearly for them, or they work at one of those schools. So again I say, THESE GAMES DON'T COUNT!

If you want to collect them all, FINE. Put them all in their own little specialty section of useless tripe that hardly anyone gives a damn about, and have yourself a field day spending $1000's just to get them all. WOW, aren't you COOL, you have ALL the Lightspan games! Meanwhile, the mass majority of gamers are asking WTF is a Lightspan game? Yeah, real impressive collection.

My contention with them is still that #1, they were NEVER sold at RETAIL! So that's as good as a NON-release, as far as I'm concerned. I swear, some of y'all completists are so damned obssessed with having every single game ever made for every single system ever made that if ET for the 2600 had never been released, you'd all be out in the desert, digging up holes, trying to find out where Atari buried all the carts! That's how INSANE y'all are.

Now for the rest of us, the SANE ones, there is NO point in owning every single Lightspan game, just because they're all R8. And honestly, would half of you who defend them so ardently be defending them so ardently if they were all R1? I don't think so. You only want them because you think they make you cool. That they make you better than everyone else somehow. You certainly don't want them because you actually want to PLAY them.

The same goes for most of the proto's, beta's, demo's, competition carts, etc. How many of you who own some of these things actually PLAY them? And if you do, are they actually as enjoyable as an official retail release? Or are they just some incomplete piece of history with no real value whatsoever other than historical value, which you equate into a monetary value because you need to find a way to be able to brag about having something that no one else has, or very few other people have? Let's face it, if it's really THAT rare, then it belongs in a MUSEUM, not in your collection. So if it's not THAT rare, then the only people who give a damn about it are you and the few other people who collect that sort of thing. The rest of the world just sighs and rolls their eyes, and laughs at all the money that you waste on Lightspan games. Because they know that they're really just much ado about nothing.

I wouldn't collect them even if they were released at retail. Because they're still nothing but just a bunch of educational games. And frankly, I really don't think that they even belong in the same section of the rarity guide as all of the official US releases. If they were NEVER sold at RETAIL, then how can they possibly be construed to be official US releases? Just because some US based company released them all to schools in the US who bought them? That's not exactly an official US release, dipshit. Does Sony recognize them all as official US releases? NOPE, I don't think so. And I DARE you to PROVE that they do. Because you know you can't. They're a niche item, and they were NEVER intended to be an OFFICIAL part of the PlayStation library. Which is the ONLY reason why they're all "R8". Not that any of them actually COUNT, because they DON'T, but whatever. If you believe that they do, it only proves just how INSANE you are to actually give a damn about such nonsense. The rest of us are still laughing our asses off at your stupidity.

For comparison's sake...
Look at the dumb Bikini Girls / Local Girls of Hawaii games for the Turbo Duo. Those DEFINITELY aren't in demand for their "playability," and they certainly weren't recognized by TTI as official releases. Yet, serious Turbo collectors must have them in their collection and they fetch big bucks on ebay. Same thing here.

Just because you might not want to play it doesn't mean someone else doesn't want to own it.

[Dangerboy]

Iron Draggon wrote:

And frankly, I really don't think that they even belong in the same section of the rarity guide as all of the official US releases. If they were NEVER sold at RETAIL, then how can they possibly be construed to be official US releases?

(Jason drags out giant megaphone, straps Iron Draggon to chair, places megaphone to his ear and yells):

BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE OFFICAL SEAL OF SONY AND HAVE OFFICAL PRINTING REGISTRATION MARKS AND COPYRIGHTS ON THEM, SINCE THEY WERE PUBLISHED BY SONY. KIND OF HARD NOT TO BE OFFICIAL WHEN IT SAYS SO RIGHT THERE.

(drops megaphone)

Idiot.

[Kroogah]

THIS IS WHY EDUCATIONAL VIDEO GAMES ARE EVIL.

Good fight gentlemen, I declare the winner to be nobody.

>>CLUNK<<