Collecting the RIGHT way! (split from TG16 complete topic)

[Poofta!]

like many have mentioned, no its not complete, many dont care though, but it still doesnt make em complete, so if youre the bragging type, you can never call your collection complete, since its not.

its like collecting nes games but only with the black sleeve and manual.


personally im a type of person who only gets complete, it may take longer, but its a true accomplishment. i mean these items will stay with you forever (or at least for a very long time), might as well do it right.

[ClubNinja]

i mean these items will stay with you forever (or at least for a very long time), might as well do it right.

If "doing it right" means having an excess of over-valued cardboard boxes for a bunch of games that I really just want to play, then I'll gladly do it wrong ;)

[Poofta!]

i mean these items will stay with you forever (or at least for a very long time), might as well do it right.

If "doing it right" means having an excess of over-valued cardboard boxes for a bunch of games that I really just want to play, then I'll gladly do it wrong ;)

traditionally, doing it right, when it comes to collecting, whether its games, stamps, comics etc, is having them mint and complete. with comics its all the pages (buying tg16 games without box is almost like buying the comic with all ads ripped out, cause you just want the content), with stamps is having them connected with the block or certificate (if one applies) and with games its everything that originally came with it.

if youre just buying games that you like regardless of condition/status, well then youre just amassing games you like, nothing wrong with that, god bless you, you refer to it as 'your' collection, doesnt make it worth nothing (but significantly less). but thats not what classic collecting is. id prefer it if people bought all the old, dirty, loose, uncomplete copies, cause it makes it easier for me getting the good stuff.

game on. =]

[maxlords]

I was wondering how long it would take for that picture to come out :D


And @ Poofta: If I could get rare comics that had all the content but the ads were removed....I would. I don't care, as long as I GET the content. The collectibility is a bonus that I actively care for, but isn't as important as getting the item and utilizing it. That's why I collect things. In fact, all my collections (video games, books, comics, DVDs, CDs) are all things that I use, not things I just look at. I don't see the point of owning things that I just look at in great quantities. I have artwork, sure, like anyone, but it's not something I'd collect tons of because it serves no purpose other than to look at. And yes....I know that DVDs are technically something you only look at, but you know what I mean.

[Poofta!]

I was wondering how long it would take for that picture to come out :D


And @ Poofta: If I could get rare comics that had all the content but the ads were removed....I would. I don't care, as long as I GET the content. The collectibility is a bonus that I actively care for, but isn't as important as getting the item and utilizing it. That's why I collect things. In fact, all my collections (video games, books, comics, DVDs, CDs) are all things that I use, not things I just look at. I don't see the point of owning things that I just look at in great quantities. I have artwork, sure, like anyone, but it's not something I'd collect tons of because it serves no purpose other than to look at. And yes....I know that DVDs are technically something you only look at, but you know what I mean.


why buy games for old systems at all them? you could just get a back up device and play the roms. its the exact same thing, original hardware and all, and it doesnt matter that its pirating since the systems are long dead anyway. technically you could do that for dvds as well. and you can download pdf of the comics. why bother buying anything at all if you only want the content?

[maxlords]

why buy games for old systems at all them? you could just get a back up device and play the roms. its the exact same thing, original hardware and all, and it doesnt matter that its pirating since the systems are long dead anyway. technically you could do that for dvds as well. and you can download pdf of the comics. why bother buying anything at all if you only want the content?


Well, because I like playing them on theoriginal hardware. And I like the artwork and neat details you get in manuals and stuff...and the tactile sense of actually HAVING the games.

I didn't say anything of pirating....don't know where that's coming from. However, I rarely pirate anything. The occasional movie, but if I like it, I buy the original later.

I don't pirate DVDs because

1. I don't have that kind of bandwidth...can't afford it.

2. I don't have a DVD-ROM burner

3. I like having insterts and original artwork, not laser printed and hand stamped crap.


And you CANNOT get the .pdfs of the comics I read. Trust me on this...they don't exist. Maybe of boring shit comics like Spawn or something...but not REAL comics.


As for pirating games:

1. Pirate hardware is less reliable

2. I already HAVE all the originals

3. It's easier to find original stuff for me than ROMs

4. It's not a collection if all you have is ROMs (or PDFs or burns for that matter).


Your arguments just don't hold water with me man. They're ill-considered. Obviously you don't like people disagreeing with you. What a collector is is this:

Someone who collects things.

Simple as that. I collect video games. And comics. And DVDs. And novels. Etc etc. The way I collect is up to me. Are those TG16 games complete without the other boxes? Technically no. Does it matter in the grand scheme of things? Not to me. Does it matter to you? Maybe. All the better. We're all here for our mutual love of games....and our differences in preference as well as our shared likes are what make us part of this gaming community :)

[ClubNinja]

why bother buying anything at all if you only want the content?

Do you read these things after typing them?

If I want to play Sidearms on my TG16, then I'm going to want to hook that TG16 up to a TV and plug a real Sidearms cart into it. Sure, I want the content, but I also want the "genuine, intangible experience" that you don't get with ROMs or backup crap. Do I need a cardboard box to replicate this experience? Hell no. Does this mean I'm a game "amasser" and not a "collector"? Hell no.

Define a collection in whatever way you want, but my pile of loose HuCards is just as much a collection as your shelf of boxed HuCards - they're just different *kinds* of collections. Obviously, one should collect whatever they want in whatever state they want it. It certainly doesn't make you "more of a collector" than me or anyone else because your games have boxes.

[Poofta!]

why bother buying anything at all if you only want the content?

Do you read these things after typing them?

If I want to play Sidearms on my TG16, then I'm going to want to hook that TG16 up to a TV and plug a real Sidearms cart into it. Sure, I want the content, but I also want the "genuine, intangible experience" that you don't get with ROMs or backup crap. Do I need a cardboard box to replicate this experience? Hell no. Does this mean I'm a game "amasser" and not a "collector"? Hell no.

Define a collection in whatever way you want, but my pile of loose HuCards is just as much a collection as your shelf of boxed HuCards - they're just different *kinds* of collections. Obviously, one should collect whatever they want in whatever state they want it. It certainly doesn't make you "more of a collector" than me or anyone else because your games have boxes.

also in reply to maxlord:


of course i read it, what are you talking about? you can get the content without buying the game. you can buy the tg16, connect it to your pc, dump the rom on your backup card, and play it. its as tangible as buyign the card of the game instead of the empty card (i dont condone this, but its the same experience, and much cheaper).

backup carts are every bit as reliable as their original counterparts, even more so since you can edit the roms. and according to clubninja, itll be a DIFFERENT KIND of a collection of the same thing. and since according to maxlord a collector is someone who collects things, well then you can still be a collector while collecting the roms.

a rom collection is a collection of the games. if you want the games themselves and care not for the boxes etc, then its the rom you want. if you care so much about having all the nice colorful inserts then you want the COMPLETE game, box and all, which is my ORIGINAL point.

argue it all you want, you talked yourself into a corner, just say you cant afford the boxes and get it over with. saying that all you care about is the content leads me to recommend not buying the game at all.




just arguing my point. i dont pirate anything. i buy all my games in my collection, complete and mint, like the day they rolled off the factory.
my general point is that cart only collections are equivalent to having a dvd filled with roms for the system, and dumping them on an empty backup cart to play them in their original form on their original hardware.

im not out to make enemies, just my argument and opinion. we all like and collect different things, so lets just revel in our libraries happily and agree to love games.

[Kroogah]

You're not going to change anyone's mind, and you're not going to get anywhere at a video game collecting forum by suggesting that everyone that buys anything but complete mint perfect games should give up and pirate ROMs instead.

Not everyone is in the hobby just to sit and stare at their collection and go "Wow look at how much money this is worth". Some of us actually enjoy playing video games. And if you're not out to make enemies, might I suggest trying to let people enjoy their personal preference instead of trying to convince them that their opinion is wrong. x_x

[Lady Jaye]

BTW, for comic book freaks who might not have the money to buy mint Silver Age comics (or who want a copy that they can read without being afraid of damaging the originals), there are alternatives like TPB (the Essential [insert series name] collection by Marvel is one such possibility) and legal CD-ROM of reprints, such as The Comic Book Library. Even though neither are the original prints (nor a fac-simile reprint), they're nice, affordable and LEGAL alternatives. (of course, it's another story if you're into indie comics, but then again, where they're concerned, you wanna do anything and everything to support them).

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000DFHQ3.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[Poofta!]

You're not going to change anyone's mind, and you're not going to get anywhere at a video game collecting forum by suggesting that everyone that buys anything but complete mint perfect games should give up and pirate ROMs instead.

Not everyone is in the hobby just to sit and stare at their collection and go "Wow look at how much money this is worth". Some of us actually enjoy playing video games. And if you're not out to make enemies, might I suggest trying to let people enjoy their personal preference instead of trying to convince them that their opinion is wrong. x_x

im not trying to convince anyone, just gave MY opinion, since thats what everyone else did, cant i say my own?

and the last paragraph i wrote said exactly what you did, i said people should just enjoy what they have.

[Poofta!]

BTW, for comic book freaks who might not have the money to buy mint Silver Age comics (or who want a copy that they can read without being afraid of damaging the originals), there are alternatives like TPB (the Essential [insert series name] collection by Marvel is one such possibility) and legal CD-ROM of reprints, such as The Comic Book Library. Even though neither are the original prints (nor a fac-simile reprint), they're nice, affordable and LEGAL alternatives. (of course, it's another story if you're into indie comics, but then again, where they're concerned, you wanna do anything and everything to support them).

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000DFHQ3.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg



thats pretty awesome, i think im gonna go pick all of them up .... like right now.

[ClubNinja]

argue it all you want, you talked yourself into a corner, just say you cant afford the boxes and get it over with. saying that all you care about is the content leads me to recommend not buying the game at all.

I collect arcade stuff, so game boxes (in this case) are like pocket change in comparison. It has nothing to do with being able to afford anything or not, it's just that I personally don't *need* the things. That, in no way, means that you're some sort of superior collector being because you *do* need them. Like you said, everyone collects different things; however, while there are these differences, no particular way of collecting is more valid than another. That's all I'm trying to say. You collect TG16 boxes. I don't. We both have valid collections of TG16 games.

[drwily008]

This just seems like the right place to post this....I HATE SEALED GAMES!! Flame on! But I do know that many collector/players here will agree, what is more unsatisfying than have a potentially great game just sealed up? The only way I'll buy a sealed game is if I own an open copy to play or if I have played it and thought it was terrible. It's not that I absolutely dont understand the appeal it's just that I would never pay some of these prices that people are playing for sealed games.
It's driving up prices and helping to let people like "Bullseye Video Games" make ridiculous prices on even opened games. Because people see that GAME X went for PRICE X sealed then the regular game (complete or not) is OBVIOUSLY WORTH $100's.
Stop being ridiculous for sealed games and help keep the people who are out for just pure profit away from our hobby! Soon we will be seeing more and more fakes (fake shrinkwrap looking more professional) and more "printed last week" manuals & boxes for 20 year old games.
Just my point of veiw and if people have different opinions and I don't argue back it's not because I think your right, it's because I KNOW I am.

[Poofta!]

This just seems like the right place to post this....I HATE SEALED GAMES!! Flame on! But I do know that many collector/players here will agree, what is more unsatisfying than have a potentially great game just sealed up? The only way I'll buy a sealed game is if I own an open copy to play or if I have played it and thought it was terrible. It's not that I absolutely dont understand the appeal it's just that I would never pay some of these prices that people are playing for sealed games.
It's driving up prices and helping to let people like "Bullseye Video Games" make ridiculous prices on even opened games. Because people see that GAME X went for PRICE X sealed then the regular game (complete or not) is OBVIOUSLY WORTH $100's.
Stop being ridiculous for sealed games and help keep the people who are out for just pure profit away from our hobby! Soon we will be seeing more and more fakes (fake shrinkwrap looking more professional) and more "printed last week" manuals & boxes for 20 year old games.
Just my point of veiw and if people have different opinions and I don't argue back it's not because I think your right, it's because I KNOW I am.


i hear you, i hate not being able to read the manual and play the game. then put it all back together and put it on the shelf.

but i know if i had enought money id collect sealed games and buy disk only equivalents (or roms if available) for the gameplay.

[shoes23]

I think the overall premise of why people collect things (mainly games in all of our cases) because we highly enjoy some aspect that we derive from the them. Personally, I really don't care at all if a game comes complete with instructions, warranty cards, cases, inserts, stickers, all encased with uber-precious plastic shrinkwrap. The simple fact is that NONE of that stuff is what makes me intersted in a game, what does make me interested however is: (surprisingly) THE GAME itself. Why would I want to pay for one complete game that interests me, when I could purchase 5 or more games that interest me for the same price. Sure, if I get a good deal on a complete game I'll take it over the loose one, but I'm not going to turn down a loose copy of a game that I want to play simply because it doesn't come with a box. That's just plain crazy. It's fine that you want to get a complete TG16 librabry, but to insinuate that for those of us who do not want the same thing, that we should go rip off the gamnig industry and our gaming community by just emulating everything. A person with some REAL enthusiasm and understanding for this hobby would completely understand why we wouldn't want to emulate our favorite games. So while you stare at your boxes upon boxes of games debating the best way to open them without miffing up the corners, we'll be GAMING ON.

[Poofta!]

So while you stare at your boxes upon boxes of games debating the best way to open them without miffing up the corners, we'll be GAMING ON.


Yeah. thats exactly what i do. I sit there and STARE and my shelf. You hit the nail on the head there. Its the object of my affection, sitting there.... looking at the boxes. Yeah.


x_x

[rhiohki]

This thread is starting to sound like a neo geo drama thread. Just to help senior Poofta out. I collect only complete and Near Mint to Mint games PERSONALLY. I think the major variable here is collector preference. Anyone can collect practically anything.

It's your personal preference if you would like to have the game complete or loose, have the comic in CGC 9.6-9.8 only condition or collecting only NON CGCed books. Whatever the case maybe, people collect in their own way. And that frame of reference is going to be how they view collecting no matter what.

[The Brown Eye]

If you have one guy that has a "loose" copy of a game and another that has a "boxed complete" copy, is the gamer with the loose copy getting less of an experience than the completist? Not necessarily.

Everyone is wired differently, some people just don't want to spend the time and money to hunt down things they don't need. Some people might like the boxed complete look better and enjoy "the hunt" of finding it all. Granted, a boxed complete collection is far more impressive, but you shouldn't live your life buying things you don't need to impress people.

I'm just kind of rambling here. I guess my point is buy what you want, but don't look down on others for doing what's right for them.

[-hellvin-]

I'm a major completist. I am always picky about having everything the game came with but I do have my limitations. Maps and manuals or charts or what not are a necessity for me, but advertisements or registration cards I don't give a crap about. And if it's anything in the atari era, I only collect cart. I still have lots of complete games for the various systems but never go out of my way to only get a complete game.

[maxlords]

argue it all you want, you talked yourself into a corner, just say you cant afford the boxes and get it over with. saying that all you care about is the content leads me to recommend not buying the game at all.

just arguing my point. i dont pirate anything. i buy all my games in my collection, complete and mint, like the day they rolled off the factory.
my general point is that cart only collections are equivalent to having a dvd filled with roms for the system, and dumping them on an empty backup cart to play them in their original form on their original hardware.

I can afford the boxes just fine. I just don't care...at all. I get them when I happen upon them...but they don't add extra value to me personally. You obviously have a different view. I personally think it's stupid to collect factory sealed games at a high premium. You're paying money for shrinkwrap. I know the arguments for it....I still think it's dumb. That's how I feel. Again, you feel differently. Even if I COULD get every game I owned factory sealed...I wouldn't bother. And when I get rare factory sealed games.... I OPEN THEM :D Every time.

All I care about primarily (note the qualifier) is the content. If the game sucks or I don't like it or if there was no game...I'd sell it. Period. I don't care if the game took me 3 years to find and cost me $800. If I don't like it, I'll get rid of it. Content is EVERYTHING to me. However, that does NOT mean the same thing as saying that content is the ONLY thing that matters. The tactile sense of handling the actual original carts and manuals is part of my personal enjoyment of the experience, and something that I wouldn't want to get rid of. I personally dislike emulation in any form. I rarely use it, except in circumstances where I have no other choice, such as fan-translated ROMs of games that were never ported to English, or games I can't normally afford that I want to try before laying out the cash for. I can count the number of times I've used emulation in the last 1-2 years on one hand. It's just not part of the way I collect or enjoy collecting. For some people, that's the way they play...they don't care about the physical stuff...they want ONLY content. ANd you're right...that's a collection of a sort. But I also believe that a true collection...one that has the spirit of collecting, has monentary value as well. ROMs do not, other than to the copyright holders. In THAT way I think that a ROM collection is not a collection. I didn't realize I'd have to back up every statement with a qualifier to make my meaning understood or I would have in the first place. It's a semantic argument and nothing more. I've certainly not "talked myself into a corner". x_x

I buy games however I can get em. Loose, complete, whatever. I don't care. Ususally, for example with SNES, I'll buy them loose, then buy or trade for manuals and boxes as I can find em. I'm in no hurry...if I complete them...cool. If not, no biggie. I'll spring for more to get em complete if they happen my way for the right price, but I rarely overspend on stuff to get it. And that's why I don't care about TG16 boxes. They're too hard to find and people want too much for games that are "complete" with the boxes. I'm not willing to spend that much because I don't gain enough benefit from the extra ex-penditure. Same as buying sealed games. What do I get out of a $150 sealed copy of Super Mario Bros. 3 or The Legend of Zelda that I can't get out of a $20 or less mint complete copy of the same game? Nothing. There's a point where the cost outweighs the benefit. TG16 boxes is one of the places where I draw that line.

Oh yeah, and I rambled a bit there...forgot to add this:

TECHNICALLY, sonce you've been so nitpicky....a cart only collection is not equivalent to a DVD full of ROMs that you dump onto a backup unit to play. Why? Because regardless of whether the copyrights are enforced or not, someone OWNS the rights to those ROMs. When you own a legitimate copy of the game, technically you posess the legal right to play that game or utilize that game however you see fit. When you use ROMs INSTEAD of owning the game, you are 100% in violation of copyright laws, and are STEALING intellectual property from the copyright owner. It's not quite the same as burning a game that is still available to purchase, but it's still absolutely 100% illegal unless that specific version of the game has been made public domain, such as the games on the underdogs website. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it....it's a radically different thing to play a legally authorized game than it is to play an illegal bootleg.

[ghostangelofcky]

I'm a major completist. I am always picky about having everything the game came with but I do have my limitations. Maps and manuals or charts or what not are a necessity for me, but advertisements or registration cards I don't give a crap about. And if it's anything in the atari era, I only collect cart. I still have lots of complete games for the various systems but never go out of my way to only get a complete game.

same here

[Mog_the_Destroyer]

i'm just a little curious of how many of his factory sealed games are actually repackaged versions of ET or some other lame game. The only reason I would collect a sealed game is to try and trade it for a lot more games that I want to play. All my NES, SNES, N64, and 2600 carts are loose cause dammit I wanna play them. I'll admit that Rooms of Doom with complete boxes and all look mighty good.

[Poofta!]

@maxlords:

finally an argument worth reading. i agree with ya. its just a prefrence.

playing a rom on the hardware and playing the real thing, even though its illegal, is the same feeling. the only difference is legal and nobody enforces them for old dead systems. the FEELING is the same. its the same game.

oh and just to clear things up, i dont collect sealed games, i collect MINT COMPLETE games everything minus the shrink wrap, i too like to play the games.

[Daria]

First off there's no wrong way to collect anything. If the collection's personal to you, and you enjoy the time you spend on it or with it, that's all that matters be it video games, stamps, comics, dolls, coins, christmas light, or bits of string. :P

One thing I love about collecting is fixing up old games, piecing together lost manuals and boxes with old carts that I had to strip of marker and stickers. I'm interacting with my games and I love it. Collecting to me is also about knowledge, learning new things about the people and companies who designed the games I love, because I admire them and their product. When I don't have the cash to put aside for games I like to cut out RPG news articles and advertisments for scrapbooking. Just an odd part of my collection that's not only worthless it's priceless. It's just how I interact with my games (other then playing them :P) and I love it as much as the hunt or designing my displays.

That said the feeling between playing a rom and a hard copy is not the same, not for everyone at least. I'm not going to bypass playing a great game just because I don't or can't own the original. But when you can download any medium in bulk it's like it becomes tainted. The game's cheapened and you don't really appreciate being able to play as much as you do when you own the real thing. It's a problem I have with a lot of pc games because I'd rather download them and spend money on the console titles.

There's also the fact that most of us collect games for nostalgic reason. These arent just old game systems, they're childhood memories. And part of that memory is the, say for the NES, blowing on the cart, the blinking blue screen, the uncomfortably square controllers. You can emulate the game perfectly on a pc, but you'll never recreate the experience you had playing the game as a child unless you play the game like you did as a child.

I don't see anything wrong with collecting mint or even sealed games if that's your thing and you honestly love doing it. But to sit on your throne and claim that your collection is better then anyone elses because it's worth more finacially, just smacks of snobbery. And I have a hell of a lot more respect for a collector like Kamino who doesn't own a single box or manual, then I do for you or your flawless collection.

[Tron 2.0]

argue it all you want, you talked yourself into a corner, just say you cant afford the boxes and get it over with. saying that all you care about is the content leads me to recommend not buying the game at all.

just arguing my point. i dont pirate anything. i buy all my games in my collection, complete and mint, like the day they rolled off the factory.
my general point is that cart only collections are equivalent to having a dvd filled with roms for the system, and dumping them on an empty backup cart to play them in their original form on their original hardware.

I can afford the boxes just fine. I just don't care...at all. I get them when I happen upon them...but they don't add extra value to me personally. You obviously have a different view. I personally think it's stupid to collect factory sealed games at a high premium. You're paying money for shrinkwrap. I know the arguments for it....I still think it's dumb. That's how I feel. Again, you feel differently. Even if I COULD get every game I owned factory sealed...I wouldn't bother. And when I get rare factory sealed games.... I OPEN THEM :D Every time.

All I care about primarily (note the qualifier) is the content. If the game sucks or I don't like it or if there was no game...I'd sell it. Period. I don't care if the game took me 3 years to find and cost me $800. If I don't like it, I'll get rid of it. Content is EVERYTHING to me. However, that does NOT mean the same thing as saying that content is the ONLY thing that matters. The tactile sense of handling the actual original carts and manuals is part of my personal enjoyment of the experience, and something that I wouldn't want to get rid of. I personally dislike emulation in any form. I rarely use it, except in circumstances where I have no other choice, such as fan-translated ROMs of games that were never ported to English, or games I can't normally afford that I want to try before laying out the cash for. I can count the number of times I've used emulation in the last 1-2 years on one hand. It's just not part of the way I collect or enjoy collecting. For some people, that's the way they play...they don't care about the physical stuff...they want ONLY content. ANd you're right...that's a collection of a sort. But I also believe that a true collection...one that has the spirit of collecting, has monentary value as well. ROMs do not, other than to the copyright holders. In THAT way I think that a ROM collection is not a collection. I didn't realize I'd have to back up every statement with a qualifier to make my meaning understood or I would have in the first place. It's a semantic argument and nothing more. I've certainly not "talked myself into a corner". x_x

I buy games however I can get em. Loose, complete, whatever. I don't care. Ususally, for example with SNES, I'll buy them loose, then buy or trade for manuals and boxes as I can find em. I'm in no hurry...if I complete them...cool. If not, no biggie. I'll spring for more to get em complete if they happen my way for the right price, but I rarely overspend on stuff to get it. And that's why I don't care about TG16 boxes. They're too hard to find and people want too much for games that are "complete" with the boxes. I'm not willing to spend that much because I don't gain enough benefit from the extra ex-penditure. Same as buying sealed games. What do I get out of a $150 sealed copy of Super Mario Bros. 3 or The Legend of Zelda that I can't get out of a $20 or less mint complete copy of the same game? Nothing. There's a point where the cost outweighs the benefit. TG16 boxes is one of the places where I draw that line.

Oh yeah, and I rambled a bit there...forgot to add this:

TECHNICALLY, sonce you've been so nitpicky....a cart only collection is not equivalent to a DVD full of ROMs that you dump onto a backup unit to play. Why? Because regardless of whether the copyrights are enforced or not, someone OWNS the rights to those ROMs. When you own a legitimate copy of the game, technically you posess the legal right to play that game or utilize that game however you see fit. When you use ROMs INSTEAD of owning the game, you are 100% in violation of copyright laws, and are STEALING intellectual property from the copyright owner. It's not quite the same as burning a game that is still available to purchase, but it's still absolutely 100% illegal unless that specific version of the game has been made public domain, such as the games on the underdogs website. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it....it's a radically different thing to play a legally authorized game than it is to play an illegal bootleg.
Ditto.

[GrayFox]

Oh boy, I cannot wait to see Kamino just tear about this guy. It shall be good, and it shall make me smile.

[LAGO]

First off there's no wrong way to collect anything. If the collection's personal to you, and you enjoy the time you spend on it or with it, that's all that matters be it video games, stamps, comics, dolls, coins, christmas light, or bits of string. :P


a ball of string is worth more than a bit of string. :P

[gepeto]

It's all about preference. As for me I collect games so I have the ability to enjoy the Games whenever I want. When I come across complete games at a reasonable price I go for it. My hobby is expensive enough. I also know I will die someday and if a game is sealed or not complete or not would not mean a hill of beans to me or my left behind family members because value is in the eye of the beholder.

[Kejoriv]

I dont collect the boxes for Nes and Snes because it saves money. If I do get the box with the game. I will trade or sell it. That allows me to buy other games. This saves $$$. Video games aren't my main collection. So by doing this, it allows me to buy more Mad stuff.

ps: If you have any Mad magazine stuff, please pm me. I am not looking for the board or card games. Thanks for the help.

[kainemaxwell]

Poofta, who are you to tell us that buying non-complete games isn't collecting?

For me, I'll collect complete or loose stuff. Part of the fun of being a collector is waiting and piecing together the missing manuals or boxes you need to make a game complete.

Only certain games in my collection I want to get complete, most of the rest if I want the box for some reason or another when a chance comes around, tehn I will.

Ones I do want to get complete some point or another is my N64 games (almost there!), Genesis titles and the one sin my actual collection, like my tengen NES titles. I think only system I'll buy actual complete games is for the Dreamcast, PSX and PS2.

[Captain Wrong]

Haven't we been here before?

[drwily008]

Another end of the argument is say your a card collector (soprts or non-sports). When that collector opens the pack of cards do they keep the gum? NO. Nobody would because they would just have a garbage bag full of worthless gum. For that matter do they even keep the wrapper? Some do, but I personally collect Garbage Pail Kids and I definitely throw the gum away and keep one or two wrappers for each series.
Point being that making one assumption about somebodys collecting habits VS. yours can't be done. You do it your way and get 1 game for every 4 or 5 we get. And we'll do it our way and you can think our collecting habits are strange.

[imanerd0011]

like many have mentioned, no its not complete, many dont care though, but it still doesnt make em complete, so if youre the bragging type, you can never call your collection complete, since its not.

its like collecting nes games but only with the black sleeve and manual.


personally im a type of person who only gets complete, it may take longer, but its a true accomplishment. i mean these items will stay with you forever (or at least for a very long time), might as well do it right.

Poofta:

I am a cart only collector of NES games, and really could care less about the boxes. I really don't see your point here. The only time having complete games even matters at all, is if you were going to open up a museum or something. Boxes take up tons of space, and complete games are REALLY hard to find!!! Although I know what you mean about being picky about the condition. I am probabley the most picky person on the planet, when it comes to NES carts. If the game even has a single flaw anywhere on it, I won't put it in my collection. This is the reason why I only have around 375 games, yet I have owned probabley over 500 different games, and sold alot of them off.

[petewhitley]

i buy all my games in my collection, complete and mint, like the day they rolled off the factory

That's not exactly true, the day they rolled off the factory they were sealed. If you're going to set some hard and fast rules about collecting Poofta, you really should start collecting sealed games. Don't be half-assed about it, your line in the sand is convienently drawn exactly where YOUR collection lies (complete w/ boxes, yet not sealed). You're rationalizing that true collecting is precisely determined by your collection, whereas your ideas taken to their (il?)logical conclusion would wind up at sealed games as the penultimate collection, with loose games as a backup for playing.

Edit: just as I posted this you admitted exactly what I was getting at. At least you recognize the hypocrisy in your argument.

[Poofta!]

If you're going to set some hard and fast rules about collecting Poofta, you really should start collecting sealed games. Don't be half-assed about it, your line in the sand is convienently drawn exactly where YOUR collection lies (complete w/ boxes, yet not sealed). You're rationalizing that true collecting is precisely determined by your collection, whereas your ideas taken to their (il?)logical conclusion would wind up at sealed games as the penultimate collection, with loose games as a backup for playing.


i never said mine is the ideal way, sealed is the way to go. i just cant afford, im a step down. loose games are 20 steps down. i already said people should do what they want and ignore me. stop the flame. shit.

[kainemaxwell]

hey, you brought it on yourself with your attitude in your opening post. :hmm:

[Lasermouse]

For me, collecting boxed versus loose depends on the system and game itself. For example, while complete 2600 titles are the ideal, finding them is getting ridiculously hard even loose, complete is even less likely due to their age. Most of the time, I'm happy finding a loose for these systems. NES and later seem to have survived much better than the earlier games, and due to their common nature, I usually only want completes, since their relatively easy to come by.

I definitely understand where you're coming from, owing a game on a multicart just isn't the same as playing the real game on the real hardware. It shouldn't bother a gamer, since they play identically, it's just something about knowing that you have the real game in the slot that adds to the authenticity of the experience. Of course, I rarely play the actual games if I have them on a multicart, since I don't want to devalue it, but its still a nice feeling to own the original somewhere in your collection. Maybe I'm wasting my money, but I seem to straddle both sides of this debate between player and collector.

I also think I'm one of those rare gamers who also likes to collect for all eras from the earliest Pongs to today's systems, which gives me an odd perspective on both playing and collecting. For example, I spent a lot (too much, now apparently) on a boxed Star Castle and some Sears 2600 titles, but also spent some pretty good coin on the Tekken 5 Ltd. Edition. Most collectors seem to focus on a particular niche, but I tend to take a wide view of the hobby.

I'm probably too crazy with buying these expensive items, but I operate a website and can justify some of these as 'business' expenses, if they end up as articles/reviews on the website, then I am buying to produce content, so Its not just for collecting purposes, especially if I make good on my longstanding promise to increase the classic coverage on my site. This side of my hobby also probably makes me a little different from most civilian collectors out there. Or maybe not. Who knows?

- MP

[Poofta!]

hey, you brought it on yourself with your attitude in your opening post. :hmm:

wasnt my opening post, nor was that my topic (some mod did that). this was split from a seperate topic where someone asked if a tg16 game collection without the outer box is considered complete or not.

i said its not complete, and if youre gonna hunt down each game and put it on the shelf might as well go all the way (do it 'right'). and everyone went apeshit on me cause they think their loose carts are as good as DigitalPress's (or mine) COMPLETE tg16 collection.

[FABombjoy]

This topic got off to the wrong start the instant it was cut out of the TG16 thread and given a somewhat incindiary title.

Some of us collect to play, some simply for the act of collecting, and some for both.

Gamers that collect to play will always laugh at completists. After all, they waste so much money on paper products that could have been spent on more games, or doritos and Mt. Dew to fuel some all-night gaming sessions. To the gamer-collector, only the experience of playing the game is what really matters.

Completists will always laugh at game-only collectors. Completists see their collections as having more monetary, nostalgic, and presentation value. "Why waste money on game-only when it's unlikely to hold value over time" or "Why only the cartridge when half of the experience is holding the original box & reading the manual".

In the end, what difference does it make what someone elses collecting preference is? You might as well argue Ford -vs- Chevy or cake -vs- pie.

[Poofta!]

This topic got off to the wrong start the instant it was cut out of the TG16 thread and given a somewhat incindiary title.

Some of us collect to play, some simply for the act of collecting, and some for both.

Gamers that collect to play will always laugh at completists. After all, they waste so much money on paper products that could have been spent on more games, or doritos and Mt. Dew to fuel some all-night gaming sessions. To the gamer-collector, only the experience of playing the game is what really matters.

Completists will always laugh at game-only collectors. Completists see their collections as having more monetary, nostalgic, and presentation value. "Why waste money on game-only when it's unlikely to hold value over time" or "Why only the cartridge when half of the experience is holding the original box & reading the manual".

In the end, what difference does it make what someone elses collecting preference is? You might as well argue Ford -vs- Chevy or cake -vs- pie.


amen! YES! finally!!

[petewhitley]

and everyone went apeshit on me cause they think their loose carts are as good as DigitalPress's (or mine) COMPLETE tg16 collection.

If you're going to start dick-sizing I have a feeling you're going to be exposed as flaccid by some foks around these parts.

[Kroogah]

This topic got off to the wrong start the instant it was cut out of the TG16 thread and given a somewhat incindiary title.

Some of us collect to play, some simply for the act of collecting, and some for both.

Gamers that collect to play will always laugh at completists. After all, they waste so much money on paper products that could have been spent on more games, or doritos and Mt. Dew to fuel some all-night gaming sessions. To the gamer-collector, only the experience of playing the game is what really matters.

Completists will always laugh at game-only collectors. Completists see their collections as having more monetary, nostalgic, and presentation value. "Why waste money on game-only when it's unlikely to hold value over time" or "Why only the cartridge when half of the experience is holding the original box & reading the manual".

In the end, what difference does it make what someone elses collecting preference is? You might as well argue Ford -vs- Chevy or cake -vs- pie.

That's pretty obvious.

This topic got off to the wrong start the instant Poofta claimed that loose games are worth about as much as ROMs.

[Poofta!]

instant Poofta claimed that loose games are worth about as much as ROMs.



well to ME they are. to someone else they might not be. thats whats great about collecting everyone has a different collection and view and buys what they want.

lets just agree to disagree and leave this alone ;)

[imanerd0011]

this was split from a seperate topic where someone asked if a tg16 game collection without the outer box is considered complete or not.

i said its not complete.

I'm not flaming you at all, but this statement just isn't true. If you have all the games for a certain system, you have a complete collection. If you have all the games with their boxes and manuals, then I guess you have a complete complete collection. LOL
I wish I could have started collectiong complete games, but they are just too hard to come by, and too expensive in some cases. I couldn't imagine trying to buy a complete Stadium Events for a complete Myraid.
For newer systems (Genesis, SNES, N64), I then would only collect completes, but for NES... cart only is the way to go! ;)

[kainemaxwell]

instant Poofta claimed that loose games are worth about as much as ROMs.



well to ME they are. to someone else they might not be. thats whats great about collecting everyone has a different collection and view and buys what they want.

lets just agree to disagree and leave this alone ;)
Then that's just sad.

[shoes23]

As much as I would love to debate this topic some more I think we just need to forget this post. Due to a bad vocabulary choices and perhaps a slightly inflated ego, this post is going to go around and around with everyones rebuttal just leading back to the same conclusion...everyone's gaming/collection preferences suit them.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

instant Poofta claimed that loose games are worth about as much as ROMs.



well to ME they are. to someone else they might not be. thats whats great about collecting everyone has a different collection and view and buys what they want.

lets just agree to disagree and leave this alone ;)
Then that's just sad.

No doubt, Kaine. Poofta! are you telling me if you saw a incomplete Bonk 3 or Magical Chase you wouldn't pick it up because it isn't worth anything? Come on, get real. I know what your trying to say, but sometimes it's just to much to find all the boxes.

[Poofta!]

No doubt, Kaine. Poofta! are you telling me if you saw a incomplete Bonk 3 or Magical Chase you wouldn't pick it up because it isn't worth anything? Come on, get real. I know what your trying to say, but sometimes it's just to much to find all the boxes.

id pick it up to sell it of course. but no i wouldnt keep it unless i could complete it. its worhtless to me. thats why i have ebay =]