Do you think Nintendo will lead the next generation ?

[Aswald]

I didn't cast a vote, as I don't know who, if anyone, will.

Nintendo has definitely lost something, that something that made the NES such a monster hit.

But, except for slightly better technology, what will the next batch of video games offer? The NES was huge because of variety, and the fact that they brought the murdered video game business back to life. The ColecoVision was huge because it offered a giant step up from the 2600 era- anyone here remember how exciting it was to see such games- HOME GAMES!!!- as Ladybug (look- the points you earned are displayed! And lookit how it looks like the arcade game!), Cosmic Avenger, and Smurf? How Tunnels and Trolls looked to almost rival computer RPGs?

But what will the next generation offer that's truly NEW? What will it have to really make anyone want to abandon the current generation, beyond the corporations telling us we "must?"

This is what helped sink the 5200 and 7800. They were better, but just didn't offer much that was, well, really impressive compared to before, overall. 2600-5200 Space Invaders and Super Breakout; 5200-7800 Ms. Pac-Man and Robotron: 2084 were the clearest examples.

[Kroogah]

But what will the next generation offer that's truly NEW? What will it have to really make anyone want to abandon the current generation, beyond the corporations telling us we "must?"

New games. Not every new console really needs to be Earth-shattering like the ones you mentioned.

[Aswald]

Will they really be a significant step up from what the current generation of X-Boxes and Playstations can offer?

And let's not forget the "learning curve." Opcode's CV games, later 2600 games, later NES games (Castlevania 3, Super Mario Bros. 3), and the 5200 Millipede and Super Pac-Man, all show that a system takes time to fully reach its limits.

In the opinion of the more technically-minded, who are familiar with the architecture or the current systems:

Have their full limits been reached?

[Videogamerdaryll]

Voted No..

[stressboy]

Thank God Microsoft is here to boot those useless bastards out of the market for good.

Wake me up when this happens. According to the February NPD chart:

Hardware

PS2 = 533,000
Xbox = 212,000
GCN = 116,000

I got this here http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1490072

[sabre2922]

I think Sony will still lead in the next-gen race at least initially.
Microsoft is going full throttle into the upcoming console battle. They are releasing the next Xbox before any of the competition for many of the right reasons and have no intention of losing this round.
It looks like Microsoft is the one with "the eye of the tiger" right now and its prey is Sony ;)
The upcoming battle between these two gladiators of the video gaming world will be greater than the Nintendo vs. Sega era and that will benefit all of us as gamers in the long run.
While I plan on getting both a PS3 and Revolution as my new gaming set up to replace the current PS2-DC setup I have I wont be buying into this next generation near as early as I have before there are just too many games that I have yet to play and collect on the current gen systems.

Now on to Nintendo.
I have always favored the big N mostly for the Zelda and METROID series so this pains me to say this but I really beleive that unless the Revolution is a big success and can claim at least the #2 slot early on I think this will be Nintendos last foray into the home console market and I honestly DO NOT SEE THIS HAPPENING for a number of reasons.
first: It seems as though Nintendo will be the last to enter the next gen race from what ive read both on the net and mags the Revolution is faaar from being completed and I havent even heard of dev kits being sent out to developers yet :hmm:
Second: (and this has been touched on many times before) Nintendo has simply lost touch with what gamers want even the most jaded hardcore gamers want variety in their gaming choices.
Gamers both casual AND hardcore want variety and LOTS OF IT they want the system that has the MOST games period even if not all of them are of Metroid prime or Zelda quality and Nintendo has lost SO much of the oh-so IMPORTANT THIRD PARTY SUPPORT I dont see an easy recovery in that area.
It may be a fantasy but I see a Nintendo/Sega/Sammy merger that produces the GREATEST HOME CONSOLE EVER MADE with the Most and biggest exclusives ever seen on one console like ZELDA, MARIO, SONIC, VIRTUA FIGHTER ,METROID and all of the most luved Sega/Nintendo franchises on one MAJOR system :D Hey we can all dream cant we?

[James]

Thank God Microsoft is here to boot those useless bastards out of the market for good.

Wake me up when this happens. According to the February NPD chart:

Hardware

PS2 = 533,000
Xbox = 212,000
GCN = 116,000

I got this here http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1490072

I meant in the next round there are still too many stupid people buying the wrong system for now but Microsoft is getting a head start this November.

[James]

Oh and I bet you 90% of those PS2 numbers are replacements for the broken ones people already had.

[James]

I think Sony will still lead in the next-gen race at least initially.
Microsoft is going full throttle into the upcoming console battle. They are releasing the next Xbox before any of the competition for many of the right reasons and have no intention of losing this round.
It looks like Microsoft is the one with "the eye of the tiger" right now and its prey is Sony ;)
The upcoming battle between these two gladiators of the video gaming world will be greater than the Nintendo vs. Sega era and that will benefit all of us as gamers in the long run.
While I plan on getting both a PS3 and Revolution as my new gaming set up to replace the current PS2-DC setup I have I wont be buying into this next generation near as early as I have before there are just too many games that I have yet to play and collect on the current gen systems.

Now on to Nintendo.
I have always favored the big N mostly for the Zelda and METROID series so this pains me to say this but I really beleive that unless the Revolution is a big success and can claim at least the #2 slot early on I think this will be Nintendos last foray into the home console market and I honestly DO NOT SEE THIS HAPPENING for a number of reasons.
first: It seems as though Nintendo will be the last to enter the next gen race from what ive read both on the net and mags the Revolution is faaar from being completed and I havent even heard of dev kits being sent out to developers yet :hmm:
Second: (and this has been touched on many times before) Nintendo has simply lost touch with what gamers want even the most jaded hardcore gamers want variety in their gaming choices.
Gamers both casual AND hardcore want variety and LOTS OF IT they want the system that has the MOST games period even if not all of them are of Metroid prime or Zelda quality and Nintendo has lost SO much of the oh-so IMPORTANT THIRD PARTY SUPPORT I dont see an easy recovery in that area.
It may be a fantasy but I see a Nintendo/Sega/Sammy merger that produces the GREATEST HOME CONSOLE EVER MADE with the Most and biggest exclusives ever seen on one console like ZELDA, MARIO, SONIC, VIRTUA FIGHTER ,METROID and all of the most luved Sega/Nintendo franchises on one MAJOR system :D Hey we can all dream cant we?

Nintendo will bring a system out next March to June area and they are about 1 year further into developement than Sony is and Sony doesn't even have proper specs for a dev kit yet and you think Nintendo will release last, I don't think so. Xbox - November 2005, Nintendo - March to June 2006, Sony - November 2006 to sometime 2007. And this will happen.

[hezeuschrist]

Thank God Microsoft is here to boot those useless bastards out of the market for good.

Wake me up when this happens. According to the February NPD chart:

Hardware

PS2 = 533,000
Xbox = 212,000
GCN = 116,000

I got this here http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1490072

I meant in the next round there are still too many stupid people buying the wrong system for now but Microsoft is getting a head start this November.

"Too many stupid people buying the wrong system"? Who the hell are you to tell everyone what to play and what not to play? I'm fairly positive I've never had a return of a PS2 and had someone say "Whoops! Bought the wrong system, I wanted an Xbox!"

Christ, scale back the blatant fanboy bias.

[tholly]

Thank God Microsoft is here to boot those useless bastards out of the market for good.

Wake me up when this happens. According to the February NPD chart:

Hardware

PS2 = 533,000
Xbox = 212,000
GCN = 116,000

I got this here http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1490072

I meant in the next round there are still too many stupid people buying the wrong system for now but Microsoft is getting a head start this November.


so, what if i buy all 3 systems (and i will) .... am i stupid because i bought the wrong system (as well as the correct one)

[Hep038]

Well your handle speaks for itself, i don't even want to begin telling you how much of a short sighted idiot you are. icon_rolleyes.gif


Another short sighted fool. icon_rolleyes.gif



It seems every otherpost you put up, you are calling someone a idiot or stupid. What is your problem? Can you not talk about video games like a adult?

Relax and state your point, we will listen as long as you dont call people names.

[hezeuschrist]

Well your handle speaks for itself, i don't even want to begin telling you how much of a short sighted idiot you are. icon_rolleyes.gif



Too many stupid people buying the wrong system"? Who the hell are you to tell everyone what to play and what not to play?

It seems every otherpost you put up, you are calling someone a idiot or stupid. What is your problem? Can you not talk about video games like a adult?

Relax and state your point, we will listen as long as you dont call people names.

Way to quote two different people.

[Hep038]

I fixed it, it was not hard to find another one from him.

[James]

Thank God Microsoft is here to boot those useless bastards out of the market for good.

Wake me up when this happens. According to the February NPD chart:

Hardware

PS2 = 533,000
Xbox = 212,000
GCN = 116,000

I got this here http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1490072

I meant in the next round there are still too many stupid people buying the wrong system for now but Microsoft is getting a head start this November.

"Too many stupid people buying the wrong system"? Who the hell are you to tell everyone what to play and what not to play? I'm fairly positive I've never had a return of a PS2 and had someone say "Whoops! Bought the wrong system, I wanted an Xbox!"

Christ, scale back the blatant fanboy bias.

Well maybe I was being a little harsh but that is my opinion and well Sony no longer impresses me and with the way they're going it doesn't look like they ever will again. Their faulty hardware and cover ups are enough to anoy any consumer.





Thank God Microsoft is here to boot those useless bastards out of the market for good.

Wake me up when this happens. According to the February NPD chart:

Hardware

PS2 = 533,000
Xbox = 212,000
GCN = 116,000

I got this here http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1490072

I meant in the next round there are still too many stupid people buying the wrong system for now but Microsoft is getting a head start this November.


so, what if i buy all 3 systems (and i will) .... am i stupid because i bought the wrong system (as well as the correct one)

No you're not stupid as that is probably the best way to get the total gaming experience and who knows maybe the PS3 will actually be good but, don't count on it. Sony doesn't care about the gamer only their bottom line therefore they will cut corners as much as possible and often too much as they are still somehow selling the PS2 or "PStwo" as it is now called without getting the flack they should recieve for its shitty designed hardware.

And before anyone posts a reply stating that Microsoft only cares about money as well, I'll just say their hardware and software quality control is very good and doesn't usually break and is only second to Nintendo and a few other top notch video game companies. And don't bring up the power supply issue if you want to argue about quality control because that is just a small problem that often occurs when you mass market hardware.

Oh and hezeuschrist I am by no means a Microsoft Fanboy did you happen to take a look at my Avatar? 8-)

[hezeuschrist]

You're a "SONY BLOWS NUTS" Fanboy without reason.

Maybe the PS3 will be good? MAYBE? It may not be the best system next round but I garantee it'll have a great handful of games that will be absolute must own games for anyone.

What the hell, did Sony rape your dog or something?

[James]

Well your handle speaks for itself, i don't even want to begin telling you how much of a short sighted idiot you are. icon_rolleyes.gif


Another short sighted fool. icon_rolleyes.gif



It seems every otherpost you put up, you are calling someone a idiot or stupid. What is your problem? Can you not talk about video games like a adult?

Relax and state your point, we will listen as long as you dont call people names.

Well that one person really was ignoring the facts and maybe I was a lttle mean but I don't have much tolerance for that. And as for that other quote you got from the Emulation Post anyone who thinks console emulation is evil is a short sighted fool. People are too closed minded about that sort of thing thinking immediately of piracy etc. they have to look at it from a different perspective.

[sabre2922]

What the hell, did Sony rape your dog or something? ROFL

[njiska]

You're a "SONY BLOWS NUTS" Fanboy without reason.

Maybe the PS3 will be good? MAYBE? It may not be the best system next round but I garantee it'll have a great handful of games that will be absolute must own games for anyone.

What the hell, did Sony rape your dog or something?

As a friend of James i can tell you that sony did not rape his dog. Sony raped his 2 cats and his sister. Actually i'm just fucking with ya.

Seriously though he's just become pissed off at all the people out there who can only say, "PS2 Rules" when they're love of sony is challenged so he's responding in kind. Sony is a bastard of a company whether or not you want to admit it. They are arrogant and they have one of the worst quality records in the industry. Sony is the only company out there that will blatantly say that if you don't like something you can go fuck yourself in the ass with a DS. His hatred of Sony isn't unreasonable, but he doesn't do the best job of presenting his arguement.

I agree with him that sony is going to drop in the market in the next round and he's right that supporting Sony is wrong because they don't deserve our money. They need to be taught a lesson so that they improve their business methods and the only way to do that is to not buy sony.

That being said let's stop all the personal fighting. Lets keep the disscusion on topic and not get off topic with a few bad posts. This is a good thread, let's keep it alive and not get locked. Come on everyone lets call a truce.

[badinsults]

They are three faceless multinational companies. Really, is it worth getting worked up over? I bet none of them really care about your devotion, ultimately.


I picked Sony to win, because most people see the playstation brand being synonomous with video games.

[tholly]

I picked Sony to win, because most people see the playstation brand being synonomous with video games.


most younger ppl see it that way.....older people easily see nintendo or atari as synonomous with video games

[badinsults]

I picked Sony to win, because most people see the playstation brand being synonomous with video games.


most younger ppl see it that way.....older people easily see nintendo or atari as synonomous with video games

That is indeed true. However, things have changed since Atari and Nintendo ruled, in that video games are a very mainstream form of entertainment. However, I do believe that Sony could fall from their position, and nothing can stay on top forever. I just don't believe it will be the next generation.

[James]

They are three faceless multinational companies. Really, is it worth getting worked up over? I bet none of them really care about your devotion, ultimately.


I picked Sony to win, because most people see the playstation brand being synonomous with video games.

Now I don't think they're all faceless. Sony has that Bastard Key Note guy who represents Sony Computer Entertainment at all the Gaming expos. Microsoft has Bill Gates and Nintendo has Reggie's face and the heart of Shigeru Miyamoto who is the greatest legend in video gaming history.

As for not caring about their customers Sony definately doesn't give a shit about them, I've phoned them up a few times and they don't offer much help, no replacement manuals, no free game help and lousy warranties. Microsoft cares somewhat but not as much as they should, I had a lot of trouble cancelling Live, their staff aren't too knowledgeable but other than that they're ok. But when it comes to Nintendo there are few companies this big that care about their customers so much. Their customer support is among the best in the world, if you have a problem with one of their games or hardware they will always help, if you need an old manual they will give you a copy and often times even for free. Old players guides are the same and if you are looking for an old game they will help you track it down. Njiska's DS came with a dead pixel so he phoned up Nintendo and they sent him a replacement one free of charge in just 3 days. With Sony if your PS2 breaks you have to send it in and be without it for 6 to 8 weeks and you have to pay for the shipping both ways and that supposed free repair offer only seems to last for a month or two and then it disapears only to reapear again a few months later.

As for the next round Microsoft will lead at first by default because they are releasing a console first.

[Push Upstairs]

I dunno what the hell Sony did with thier PS2's, but every other Sony device i have ever owned worked GREAT....including those first Playstations that were supposed to go "bad".

The PS2's plight is still an enigma to me though :?



But enough of this pointlessnes.

[Xantan the Foul]

I'd like to see Nintendo do alot better... but until I see what thier new console is all about, I have to give it to Sony.

[hezeuschrist]

I've never gone as far to say that Sony's hardware quality was great, I'm a first hand victim of it's shittyness as most of us are, but to deny that the hardware flaws are a small chance to take to get some of the absolute triple A titles the PS2 offers is moot. I had my launch system for one day before it destroyed both of my launch games... I got the games replaced and I never had another problem with it. I got rid of it last summer though, I had a sweet opportunity to get a brand new PS2 w/network adapter and IR port, so I took it and traded in my old one.

Should this even be an issue? Absolutely not, but neither should dead pixels or faulty power cords. Every game company has their share of hardware problems, it's certainly not localized to Sony. You've got to take the mountains of good games with the bad company.

[Captain Wrong]

Well your handle speaks for itself, i don't even want to begin telling you how much of a short sighted idiot you are. :roll:

There's no need for name calling. Thanks.

[Sniderman]

Oh and hezeuschrist I am by no means a Microsoft Fanboy did you happen to take a look at my Avatar? 8-)

http://tinypic.com/2ap1yc
You're into Rock Tumbling?

[James]

Oh and hezeuschrist I am by no means a Microsoft Fanboy did you happen to take a look at my Avatar? 8-)

http://tinypic.com/2ap1yc
You're into Rock Tumbling?

I thought the quant jokes had ended but if you don't mind that is a Panasonic Q which is only available in Asia unfortunately. I assume you know what it is but that aside it's basically what the Gamecube should have been which includes a CD/DVD player and a remote control, other than that it’s the same as the domestic North American, European and Japanese Gamecube's.

I'll state my opinion again just for the sake of it, in the next round due to Sony's late entry Microsoft will lead followed very closely by Nintendo. But anything could happen and I would very much like the good old glory days back with Nintendo as number one.

Edit: In Japan I think Nintendo will definitely be Number One.

[James]

Well your handle speaks for itself, i don't even want to begin telling you how much of a short sighted idiot you are. :roll:

There's no need for name calling. Thanks.

I apologize for calling you an idiot but I still strongly disagree with your point.

[Captain Wrong]

I apologize for calling you an idiot but I still strongly disagree with your point.

Fair enough, but it's not the first time you've resorted to name calling when someone disagreed with you. I think you'll find most people around here, myself included, are a lot more willing to agree to disagree when things are kept civil.

[Raedon]

NERDS!!!! :D

[James]

I apologize for calling you an idiot but I still strongly disagree with your point.

Fair enough, but it's not the first time you've resorted to name calling when someone disagreed with you. I think you'll find most people around here, myself included, are a lot more willing to agree to disagree when things are kept civil.

Actually it is the first, I've only done it twice this was the first, the Emulation (PSOne) related post was the second.

Now enough with the pointless blitter blotter, there is one thing in your original post that I do agree with, you stated Microsoft will lead in the next round which I believe. That seems to be the common consensus among half the posters on this topic.

[hezeuschrist]

NERDS!!!! :D

Says the man with a Napoleon Dynamite avatar!

[drewbrim]

I hope so (says the fanboy locked inside), but I would be suprised. It just seems like they've lost their public image as the "video game juggernaut" of old. Also after not winning the last two console releases it would seem they have an uphill battle (pun intended) to sit atop that mountain.

Now I'm assuming that the thread is asking which company will be the most successfull in general (sales, public opinion, etc..). If you mean lead by having the most innovative and first application titles, then yes, Nintendo will lead. If you mean sales then Sony will lead. And if you mean which console will be available first :) then Microsoft will lead.

[Captain Wrong]

there is one thing in your original post that I do agree with, you stated Microsoft will lead in the next round which I believe. That seems to be the common consensus among half the posters on this topic.

Yep. I think MS is really hitting their stride and they are looking really good for the next gen. I have seen the future and it is Xbox Live. LOL