If prices or rarities seem "off", POST THEM HERE

[sharp]

There is a mistake made with Mortal Kombat Trilogy for the Saturn PAL-format. The game was not released by Acclaim, it was released by GT Interactive.

[sharp]

Another minor note. King of the Zoo for Game BOY was also released in a UK version at least and is not Germany only, but a European release.

Also I would like to mention a Megadrive title variation as Rolo to the Rescue was orginally intended to be called Furry Friends, it is even listed under this name in the EA Megadrive catalog for 92-93. So maybe that can also be added.

[anagrama]

Also I would like to mention a Megadrive title variation as Rolo to the Rescue was orginally intended to be called Furry Friends, it is even listed under this name in the EA Megadrive catalog for 92-93. So maybe that can also be added.

Yeah, why not? I'll add a comment to the description field. Cheers! :)

[heyricochet]

I was doing a random search on some n64 sports games I got for free cause a guy didn't want them and a store wouldn't accept them for trade and all the n64 fifas, and All Star tennis 99 are priced at 15 dollars or higher, I would think this is a little excessive for n64 sports titles, even if they are a 4 on rarity.

[mikeetler]

I was doing a random search on some n64 sports games I got for free cause a guy didn't want them and a store wouldn't accept them for trade and all the n64 fifas, and All Star tennis 99 are priced at 15 dollars or higher, I would think this is a little excessive for n64 sports titles, even if they are a 4 on rarity.

N64 prices are based on complete games, not cart only. If you check places like eBay, US versions of FIFA 64 cart only sold recently for $8 and FIFA 98 cart only for $10 (Buy it Now). All Star Tennis 99 has only one US cart recently sold for cheap (under $2) but it doesn't turn up often.

-Mike

[mikeetler]

Another minor note. King of the Zoo for Game BOY was also released in a UK version at least and is not Germany only, but a European release.

I'll change that once I get the data files back (sometime next week most likely). A number of the games listed with specific countries were mostly likely resleased in other parts of Europe and will be changed over time. Does the UK cart have the -UKV suffix on the part number?

-Mike

[Arcturius]

There is a mistake made with Mortal Kombat Trilogy for the Saturn PAL-format. The game was not released by Acclaim, it was released by GT Interactive.

This'll be corrected once the Saturn Excel file is reformatted - Thanks for pointing it out.

[hydr0x]

There is a mistake made with Mortal Kombat Trilogy for the Saturn PAL-format. The game was not released by Acclaim, it was released by GT Interactive.

This'll be corrected once the Saturn Excel file is reformatted - Thanks for pointing it out.

you should check this, i know GT Interactive DISTRIBUTED a lot of Midway games, but often enough they did not publish them!!

[GrandAmChandler]

Gain Ground. Made by Renovation. Sega Genesis. Currently an R4.

Now that is said. Many of you here on the boards know I have been searching for this title complete for over a year. Recently, a sealed one turned up on Ebay in Europe and sold for $75. The MegaDrive version turns up frequently, but the US version is becoming really tough to find. I propose that this title needs to go up in rarity, and if others agree, value. I definitely think that trying to find a complete one for more than a year on Ebay at a reasonable price calls for me to request this. Please post your thoughts. Oh and if anyone DOES have a complete copy of this in good condition, PM me immediately.
(However, I am not looking to pay out my ass.)

-Chris

[anagrama]

I already mentioned this in one of the NWC topics, but if there are at least 119 copies known to have escaped Nintendo's hands, then how can it realistically be rated R10 ("one-of-a-kind, or certainly no more than a dozen")?

Also, wouldn't the Outback Joey cart be more accurate at R9 instead of R10? Or are there honestly less than a dozen thought to exist?

And while I'm busy debunking R10's, isn't the Dina 2-in-1 also similarly over-rated?

I understand how this could be controversial, especially with the NWC cart being viewed as the "ultimate grail" by many here at DP, but that's more due to the sheer number of NES collectors than anything else. After all, it does appear on eBay a couple of times every year.
We really should be internally consistent with the rarity scale as stated in the database FAQ rather than make exceptions on a whim if we can really hope to be the definitive guide.

Thoughts? Anyone agree/disagree?

[hydr0x]

agreed

[Speedy_NES]

I already mentioned this in one of the NWC topics, but if there are at least 119 copies known to have escaped Nintendo's hands, then how can it realistically be rated R10 ("one-of-a-kind, or certainly no more than a dozen")?

I understand how this could be controversial, especially with the NWC cart being viewed as the "ultimate grail" by many here at DP, but that's more due to the sheer number of NES collectors than anything else. After all, it does appear on eBay a couple of times every year.
We really should be internally consistent with the rarity scale as stated in the database FAQ rather than make exceptions on a whim if we can really hope to be the definitive guide.

Thoughts? Anyone agree/disagree?

I fully agree with you here. Even the Myriad 6-in-1 pops up on eBay as much or even less than the grey NWC 1990 does, and it's rated as a R9.

-Speedy

[zerohero]

The Power Glove price range should be around 45 - 60 bucks. They sell for that price on ebay.

UN Squadron's price needs to be around 10 - 12 bucks.

[vintagegamecrazy]

I don't know about the R10 issue, I'd personally like to see it stay around the 100-150 count range. There is a lot of games that are a R10 that are known to have around a 100 copies known to exist and they never turn up at all. Myriads never turn up because they just aren't as popular as NWCs. That games turns up so often because people know what they are worth and they are a cash cow right now. Tengen Tetris, Dragon Warrior 4, Alien Invasion and a list of others are quite rare but pop up on ebay quite often because of hype. One of the rules is that we don't rate things off of Ebay standards and any of the above mentioned games are only known to have turned up once or twice off of Ebay. NWC being the prime example, Bounty Bob Strikes back is another.

[anagrama]

That'd be fine if the Rarity FAQ stated as much - instead it clearly says "no more than a dozen".
One or the other needs to be changed - it undermines everything else if we're blatantlly disregarding the stated guidelines. Personally, I'd rather see R10 remain as being the games there are genuinely only a handful of, but all I'm really asking for is consistency.

[Kid Ice]

VCS Stargate and Defender II are both rated 2. Defender II is much harder to find than Stargate. I don't think either is a 2...I'd say Stargate is a 3 and Defender II is a 4 or 5.

[Nicola]

as stated on the main board, Rodland should be rare at least as Stadium Events (I don't remember seeing a rodland on ebay the last 1/2 years)

...and, as you should have seen, Sonic Extreme for saturn should go in the prototype list, not rumor mill (a proto has been sold recently).

[zerohero]

CRASH 'N THE BOYS STREET CHALLENGE




The game is clearly going for more than what the database states.

[unwinddesign]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned/fixed already, but in the DP Advance guide, Sword of the Berzerk (Dreamcast) is listed as worth $3. In actuality, it is worth around $20.

Also, Zaxxon's Motherbase 2000 is listed as worth $20, but is really worth around $5 - $8.

[Speedy_NES]

I think Motor City Patrol for the NES should be higher than an R4. This is based on personal experience as well as eBay. There are currently only 3 copies of this game on eBay, and if you check completed auctions there are also only 3 completed auctions with this game. I think it should be pushed up to at least a R5 if not higher.

-Speedy

[MetalWarrior]

Metal Warriors seems a little off the fact that im about to sell it on ebay for 50 dollars and it says its worth 20 and only 3 rare i tihnk maybe it is atleast a 4 and atleast 35 bucks

[qbertandernie]

is red clash for arcadia THAT rare?

i was searching for this game because its an 8 in the rarity guide, but it seems every third arcadia auction on ebay has a boxed copy. might be something worth reevaluating....

[vintagegamecrazy]

is red clash for arcadia THAT rare?

i was searching for this game because its an 8 in the rarity guide, but it seems every third arcadia auction on ebay has a boxed copy. might be something worth reevaluating....

Agreed, That game is becoming more common, it shouldn't be less than a R7 though, they are pretty tough to find off of Ebay though, I think Spiders should be a R8 though.

On another note X Man and Malagai are listed as R10, but they seem to pop up more often though, maybe they should go down to R9, Karate by Ultravision should be a R10 because that never pops up anywhere at all even Ebay, Coke Wins should be listed much higher in value than $500 though.

Bomb Releases seemed to have gotten insanely rare, and should be raised, value seems to have fallen though as they seem to have no attention paid to them though.

Condor Attack maybe could be a R9, I may be wrong, someone correct me if I am but this turns up pretty infrequently.

Vectrex Mr. Boston should go in the US game releases because it was released afterall and there at least a small handfull that are accounted for. This needs a section switch

Snes

Powerfest 94 should be listed in the database even is NOA owns all of the copies, it does exist afterall and MACS is listed even though it wasn't available to the public, it should go into the non us releases as a R10/$0

NES

Canadian Campus Competition (or whatever it is called) and the lottery modem cart need to be listed in the database because they too exist afterall, just not to the public., same with the Powerfest as for rarity.

[hydr0x]

Also I would like to mention a Megadrive title variation as Rolo to the Rescue was orginally intended to be called Furry Friends, it is even listed under this name in the EA Megadrive catalog for 92-93. So maybe that can also be added.

Yeah, why not? I'll add a comment to the description field. Cheers! :)

lol, yeah, i'm late, just saw this now, always remember you can also add that wip-title as an AKA ;)

[j_eits]

is red clash for arcadia THAT rare?

i was searching for this game because its an 8 in the rarity guide, but it seems every third arcadia auction on ebay has a boxed copy. might be something worth reevaluating....

Agreed, That game is becoming more common, it shouldn't be less than a R7 though, they are pretty tough to find off of Ebay though, I think Spiders should be a R8 though.

I agree with Red Clash beeing R7 and Spiders beeing R8. I'm monitoring US-Arcadia auctions on ebay for about a year now. There have been 323 games in several auctions in 2005. Red Clash appeared so far 4 times in 2005. This is the complete list (The first number shows how often the game was in an ebay auction, the second is the rarity from the guide. The numbers in the square brackets mean: First number is the average price, second number is the number of single item auctions counted for the price):

3d Bowling 12 R3
Alien Invaders 13 R2
Americain Football 16 R2 [5,52 / 2]
Baseball 23 R2
Brain Quiz 8 R2
Breakaway 11 R2
Capture 11 R2 [5,52 / 2]
Cat Trax 37 R2 [4,66 / 3]
Escape 31 R2 [6,50 / 2]
Grand Slam Tennis 3 R6
Jungler 19 R2
Missile War 9 R5 [7,38 / 2]
Ocean Battle 6 R5
Red Clash 4 R8
Soccer 8 R2
Space Attack 30 R2 [5,50 / 2]
Space Mission 4 R3
Space Raiders 35 R2 [5,25 / 4]
Space Vultures 9 R5
Spiders / R6
Star Chess 6 R5 [24,28 / 2]
Tanks a lot 27 R2 [6,50 / 2]
Console 41 / [32,31 / 7]

My plan was to wait until the end of 2005 and overwork the rarities than. Of course I'll need your help as I have not too much experience in US-Arcadia games. For example I have no idea how easy it is to find US-Arcadia games in the wild. If someone is interested in the complete list, feel free to pm me.

[^DevIancE]

I think the "2" rarity for The Ren & Stimpy Show : Buckeroos for the SNES is way off. It took me forever to find this game. I have never seen it on eBay, and ended up getting lucky a few months ago, finding one on Amazon boxed. I haven't seen this game on there since.
It's definetly ALOT more difficult to find than Ren & Stimpy : Firedogs which has a "7", and you can see on both Amazon and eBay at almost any given time.

[Rejinx]

I have been looking at prices of Joycard Sansui SSS Controllers for the NES. The price is 5$, but from what I can tell, you won't find this controller for less then $10 by anyone who know what it is. I know your prices are a little low, just seems a little too low.

[vintagegamecrazy]

Atari 2600 game Out of Control is worth at least 300, that game has gone up considerable in value, one on Ebay sold on Ebay for 305 and I saw another copy go for around that much.

[^DevIancE]

Blaster Master: Enemy Below for the GBC deserves atleast a 5... maybe even a 6. It has become VERY difficult to get ahold of. I've only seen two on eBay in the past three months.
The US Ghouls n' Ghost and Spy Vs. Spy for the Master System have become very difficult to find as well. I'd say both of those should have about a 6.
Outrun for the Genesis should probably be moved up to a 4, or maybe 5 also.
...and Earthworm Jim 2 for the Saturn should move up a notch or two as well.

[mikeetler]

Blaster Master: Enemy Below for the GBC deserves atleast a 5... maybe even a 6. It has become VERY difficult to get ahold of. I've only seen two on eBay in the past three months.

Yet I've seen numerous copies in multiple Gamestops and EB's. eBay is (and should) not be the main source for determining rarity (or price). I'll keep an eye on it the next few months and see if any change is needed, but it is definitely not a 5 or 6. If I used that logic, Amazing Tater must be a 9 because only one copy has been on eBay in the last 10 months.

[^DevIancE]

Blaster Master: Enemy Below for the GBC deserves atleast a 5... maybe even a 6. It has become VERY difficult to get ahold of. I've only seen two on eBay in the past three months.

Yet I've seen numerous copies in multiple Gamestops and EB's. eBay is (and should) not be the main source for determining rarity (or price). I'll keep an eye on it the next few months and see if any change is needed, but it is definitely not a 5 or 6. If I used that logic, Amazing Tater must be a 9 because only one copy has been on eBay in the last 10 months.

I wasn't basing it soley off of eBay. I go to flea markets, pawn shops, visit my local Gamestop and EB frequently (though they are in hickville), and scope out Amazon from time to time as well...
I bought this game the week it was released, and doubt it to have been much of a hot seller due to the people it appealed to, and console it was on, and I doubt it stayed on retail shelves that long.

[vintagegamecrazy]

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=9536

Motocross racer/tomarc the barbarian for colecovision should be moved to non US Releases because it was only distributed in Canada and overseas, it should be a R10 in rarity also.

[mikeetler]

Blaster Master: Enemy Below for the GBC deserves atleast a 5... maybe even a 6. It has become VERY difficult to get ahold of. I've only seen two on eBay in the past three months.

Yet I've seen numerous copies in multiple Gamestops and EB's. eBay is (and should) not be the main source for determining rarity (or price). I'll keep an eye on it the next few months and see if any change is needed, but it is definitely not a 5 or 6. If I used that logic, Amazing Tater must be a 9 because only one copy has been on eBay in the last 10 months.

I wasn't basing it soley off of eBay. I go to flea markets, pawn shops, visit my local Gamestop and EB frequently (though they are in hickville), and scope out Amazon from time to time as well...

Ok, but your original post made it sound like the typical "It sells on eBay for $X so why does the guide list it as $Y" or "Super Mario Land sells for so much it must be rare" post since you only quoted eBay. As for Gamestop, using their store locator I can turn up half a dozen copies within 40 miles of central NJ, which for the limited number of GB/GBC titles they carry now is quite a lot.


I bought this game the week it was released, and doubt it to have been much of a hot seller due to the people it appealed to, and console it was on, and I doubt it stayed on retail shelves that long.

You'd be very surprised how many GBC games are still sitting in wholesaler's inventories over five years after the system was discontinued. Not to say that BM:EB is one of them, but there was a lot of unsold inventory in the pipe line when the GBA was released. I know that BM:EB was still being sold by SVG to stores like FYE, Value City and Khols at least through 2002.

At any rate, these are the current licensed R5's and there are no R6's (yet). Keep in mind that rarity is cross platform, which is one thing that is overlooked by almost every editor, and GB collecting has been almost non-existant up until recently, so a lot of rarities will be revised over time. I personally do not think BM:EB fits in with this group.

Classic Bubble Bobble - Metro3D
Flintstones, The: Burgertime in Bedrock - Electro Source
Formula One 2000 - Take2 Interact
Hello Kitty's Cube Frenzy - NewKidCo
Hoyle Card Games - Sierra
Magical Drop - Classified
Microsoft Pinball Arcade - Classified
Playmobil: Laura - Ubi Soft
Puzzle Master - Metro3D
Quest Fantasy Challenge - SunSoft
Return of the Ninja - Crave
Rhino Rumble - Telegames
Test Drive 2001 - Infogrames
Titus the Fox - Titus
Wendy: Every Witch Way - TDK
Xena: Warrior Princess - Titus
Xtreme Wheels - bam!
Zoboomafoo: Playtime in Zobooland - Encore

[^DevIancE]

Classic Bubble Bobble - Metro3D
Flintstones, The: Burgertime in Bedrock - Electro Source
Formula One 2000 - Take2 Interact
Hello Kitty's Cube Frenzy - NewKidCo
Hoyle Card Games - Sierra
Magical Drop - Classified
Microsoft Pinball Arcade - Classified
Playmobil: Laura - Ubi Soft
Puzzle Master - Metro3D
Quest Fantasy Challenge - SunSoft
Return of the Ninja - Crave
Rhino Rumble - Telegames
Test Drive 2001 - Infogrames
Titus the Fox - Titus
Wendy: Every Witch Way - TDK
Xena: Warrior Princess - Titus
Xtreme Wheels - bam!
Zoboomafoo: Playtime in Zobooland - Encore

Heheh, yeah, I'd agree that it might not belong with the games on that list, and maybe shouldn't be as high as a 6, but I have my game collection up on Gamespot.com, and I don't know how reliable of source this would be, because I doubt many hardcore collectors are registered there, but there are only 39 other users who have this game in their collections there, and when compared to the 56 people on gamespot who own Clay Fighter Tournament Edition which ranks a 5, it gives a whole different out look on it.

A similar collection layout like the one gamespot have set up, would be awsome for the rarity guide, and would probably help alot with the rarity issues on alot of games.
Heh, and yeah I wouldn't doubt there being someone who has a mountain of cases of BM: EB somewhere in storage along with Bionic Commando: Elite Forces, Ghosts n' Goblins, and Street Fighter Alpha.

[Kyle15]

Hey,
there's no rarity or price for Gitaroo Man!
It should have a 7 or an 8 on the rarity scale,
but it could be lower due to the new reprint
copies floating around. Can anyone tell
the original or reprint apart from one another?

[mumbai]

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=9536

Motocross racer/tomarc the barbarian for colecovision should be moved to non US Releases because it was only distributed in Canada and overseas, it should be a R10 in rarity also.

First, it's not an R10. Definitely an R9, but not more. In all fairness, it's been slightly more difficult to obtain a copy of the Sir Lancelot/Robin Hood double-ender than the TB/MR double-ender over the last few years. Not by much, but by enough to notice. I personally have more copies of TB/MR than a good number of titles (and not for lack of trying), should that mean anything more.

As for moving to non-US releases ... I would hazard a guess that this would be confusing - I see the US/non-US split mostly one of "domestic" NTSC v. anything else. The XonoX double-ended titles were also released in Europe with a completely different label design, and moving them all over to non-US would make things a little tricker to differentiate.

If Canadian titles such as this are to be split out from US titles, then there are a pile of ColecoVision games that demonstrate significant packaging distinctions (cart, box, and manual -- not to mention printed notice of originating company) that would similarly have to be moved over.

Also, is it even clear that the SL/RH double-ender was released in the US? I don't even know anyone who has the domestic box for that game. As for TB/MR, I've seen it stated that it was only released in Canada, but not the supporting documentation to that effect. Idle curiosity, and all.

[Undertaker]

Wondering why this game is rated a 2?The value is a big $6.00.The supposed production run for this was 10,000 copies.It is a very hard game to find.I have find 3 copies in the wild and on e-bay in the last 3 years.Is there something I am missing?I hope not to offend anyone here.This is a great site for knowledge.Does anyone agree with me. x_x
Thanks 8-)

[PapaStu]

Hey,
there's no rarity or price for Gitaroo Man!
It should have a 7 or an 8 on the rarity scale,
but it could be lower due to the new reprint
copies floating around. Can anyone tell
the original or reprint apart from one another?

New games are not given raritys yet for reasons just like this. It's been re-released. It was never an R7 or R8, even after its first printing. Its a good game thats in demand and now that there was a good sized reprint made, its value and rarity have dropped quite a bit. There are no differences between the originals and the reprints except if they are still sealed. Original copies will have the White Security Sticker on them, the new copies do not.

[Jumpman Jr.]

I've got to say that Moon Ranger for the NES is definitely more than an R4, worth $5 (I know that it used to be an R3, but it looks like somebody bumbed it up).
Personally, I think it should be at least a 5, but it probably deserves to be a 6. Whenever you see a list of games people need to complete their collection, this one is always in there. (In my case, I need 20 games to complete it, and I just found this game).
I think that the value should at least be increased to $10 as well.

[Speedy_NES]

I've got to say that Moon Ranger for the NES is definitely more than an R4, worth $5 (I know that it used to be an R3, but it looks like somebody bumbed it up).
Personally, I think it should be at least a 5, but it probably deserves to be a 6. Whenever you see a list of games people need to complete their collection, this one is always in there. (In my case, I need 20 games to complete it, and I just found this game).
I think that the value should at least be increased to $10 as well.
I agree with that. Moon Ranger should be given at least a 5 in rarity and 10$ value.

[cyberfluxor]

I understand:
"The dollar value is the suggested, "between collectors" purchase price."
and have recently added Super Mario Bros. 2 & 3 to my DP collection list but found they have them listed as $1 and $2 respectively. I see them going on Ebay for a few to several dollars loose and around here they sell like hot cakes for $5+. I'm not sure about other areas but since they have been popular games the market demands a bit more than $2 worth on them.

[vintagegamecrazy]

I have noticed some CD-i errors, Cartoon Carnival and The Berenstein Bears on their own and you on your own are both clearly games, they are for like 3 year old kids but they are games none the less and both are listed in the demoes samplers and non games sections and should be moved.

[Porksta]

XBOX -GTA Double Pack: $25? It is about $15 new
XBOX -Riddick: $15? That seems a bit high

[Lemmy Kilmister]

This doesn't have to do about rarity, but I noticed that two of the images used in Castlevania: Dracula X were actually from Super Castlevania IV.

Link (http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=13648)

[Hounder]

I've got to say that Moon Ranger for the NES is definitely more than an R4, worth $5 (I know that it used to be an R3, but it looks like somebody bumbed it up).
Personally, I think it should be at least a 5, but it probably deserves to be a 6. Whenever you see a list of games people need to complete their collection, this one is always in there. (In my case, I need 20 games to complete it, and I just found this game).
I think that the value should at least be increased to $10 as well.
I agree with that. Moon Ranger should be given at least a 5 in rarity and 10$ value.
I too agree with this. This game is so hard to find. A $10-$15 value is about what it's worth but more than likely you will end up paying more for it online somewhere :-/ I have yet to find this game even though I do have the manual for it.

[Porksta]

Madden 2005 for the XBOX is not worth $17 by a long shot. Also, only the PS2 version came in Limited Edition variety, not the XBOX. Finally, add Madden 06 to the list!

[vectrexer]

Hi Folks,

In reading the Raritiy Guide definitions, plus the Mr. Boston details. http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=1488, I think it might be time to tweak the entry a bit.

First off the game was prodece by GCE. The box says soe and I think the authors even commented on it.


Second: The game is not really a prototype. The package is complete. The manual is there, the game label is there. The box is there. The game itself is modifed and completed. Even the overlay is there and customerized. All with a Mr. Boston logo and character.

I would say that this title variation for Vectrex Clean Sweep is better classed as a short marketing specific production run. The same as any other marking production run such as the themed Sega Game Gear system and game.

Mr. Boston had a definite bent to market a specific product in Mr. Boston Liquors. But the Vectrex Mr. Boston package is far from being a prototype.

[Nate Nanjo]

PTO 2: Pacific Theater of Operations

Rarity maybe fine, however $25 for a loose. I couldn't sell mine for $20 with everything except the manual or trade it. I was about to list it on ebay, but I think Rhino will give me like $20-25 for it so I changed my mind. Also, Ebay's average sold price was $8.00

How is it dropped or just no one cares about the game?

[Atarian75]

I didn't check to see if this has been discussed yet, so I apoligize if it has. Flashback for Sega CD should not have a value of $45. I have never seen it sell for more than half that. Just a suggestion to lower it to $20 or so.

[Atarian75]

Nevermind the above post. I noticed in the online rarity guide it is $15. Sorry.

[norm8332]

VIC-20 Frogman should be a 10. Only 2 ever seen as far as I know.

Was a rumor until 2005.

Why a 9? I see other platform's 9s on ebay many times each year.

Maybe I'm wrong, does anyone own one out there??

[cyberfluxor]

Virtua Cop 2 for the Saturn (http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=12590) listed as an R4 and $35? Rarity could be more so an R2/3 and it's value is quite a bit less than $35, maybe more to the end of $8 complete.

[Mayhem]

VIC-20 Frogman should be a 10. Only 2 ever seen as far as I know.

Was a rumor until 2005.

Why a 9? I see other platform's 9s on ebay many times each year.

Maybe I'm wrong, does anyone own one out there??

10 is reserved for prototypes only in the DP scale of things. That's why it's a 9. It's the highest it can go. I'd love to give it a 10 for the fact that yes, there's only 2 known out there, but it's not how the DP rating system operates.

And as you asked, I own one of them :)

[vintagegamecrazy]

10 is reserved for prototypes only in the DP scale of things. That's why it's a 9. It's the highest it can go. I'd love to give it a 10 for the fact that yes, there's only 2 known out there, but it's not how the DP rating system operates.

And as you asked, I own one of them

There are plenty of games that are 10s in the db, it could stand to be changed.

I have some things that need to be considered

The American CD32 is a lot rarer than a R4, they almost never pop up on Ebay in NTSC and are almost unknown in america I'd say a 7 to 8.

The Memorex VIS is only worth maybe $30-35, I can't seem to give them away with games included, they are probably around a 7-8 in rarity.

[Mayhem]

There are plenty of games that are 10s in the db, it could stand to be changed.

Actually you're right there (hello Video Life and Eli's Ladder). Guess I've always worked with 10=proto in my head for some reason. With that in mind, I may reclassify a few entries (and yes, hello Frogman).

[Keir]

VIC-20 Frogman should be a 10. Only 2 ever seen as far as I know.

Was a rumor until 2005.

Why a 9? I see other platform's 9s on ebay many times each year.Not saying Frogman shouldn't be a 10, but I don't think it's fair to compare between systems. Rare VIC-20 games are going to show up on eBay much less often than rare Atari 2600 games, for example, because the 2600 is a much more well-known and well-documented system. Also, I bet many of the 2600 9s and 10s that show up on eBay are the same ones being swapped around.


I have some things that need to be considered

The American CD32 is a lot rarer than a R4, they almost never pop up on Ebay in NTSC and are almost unknown in america I'd say a 7 to 8.I should probably answer this one, since I came up with that rarity. The simple answer is that there is a lot of NOS (new old stock) sitting around. Unknown does not equal rare. :)

[Mayhem]

Not saying Frogman shouldn't be a 10, but I don't think it's fair to compare between systems. Rare VIC-20 games are going to show up on eBay much less often than rare Atari 2600 games, for example, because the 2600 is a much more well-known and well-documented system. Also, I bet many of the 2600 9s and 10s that show up on eBay are the same ones being swapped around.

Actually that is how the rarity system has been clarified by Joe to work now... cross-system comparison. So a rarity 9 on the 2600 is as hard to find as a rarity 9 on any other system, be it Coleco, Vic20 or NES. It is no longer only comparitive within the system itself. That, though, is a bit harder to judge admitedly.

Given how hard Eli's Ladder and Video Life are to find for example, I can't see why Frogman and a few others under my juristication can't be bumped up to 10 rating.

[Keir]

Not saying Frogman shouldn't be a 10, but I don't think it's fair to compare between systems. Rare VIC-20 games are going to show up on eBay much less often than rare Atari 2600 games, for example, because the 2600 is a much more well-known and well-documented system. Also, I bet many of the 2600 9s and 10s that show up on eBay are the same ones being swapped around.

Actually that is how the rarity system has been clarified by Joe to work now... cross-system comparison. So a rarity 9 on the 2600 is as hard to find as a rarity 9 on any other system, be it Coleco, Vic20 or NES. It is no longer only comparitive within the system itself. That, though, is a bit harder to judge admitedly.Right, I understand that. What I was trying to say is that a rare VIC-20 game is much more likely to go unnoticed because fewer people know or care about them. So if your average collector comes across an Eli's Ladder they're going to brag about it and probably sell it on eBay for a fortune, whereas if they come across a Frogman they won't even realize what they've got and just put it away and forget about it. Whatever, just make Frogman a 10 and be done with it. ;)

[Mayhem]

:P

Actually I'll agree in part there. But the rarity is always fluid and I always change it as need be as I see things go. For example, Jelly Monsters was listed as a 8 by Ward, but because it's rather readily available on eBay now (curiously enough, almost only here in the UK) it's been bumped down to a 5 now, I think, by myself. Ditto Star Battle.

A few items on the Vic20 list I've never seen in my life, and rely on the fact they exist from Ward's sterling work. That's the sort of thing that'll get upgraded.

If more of an item come out of the woodwork over time, then naturally the rarity might get bumped down accordingly.

[norm8332]

All I know about it is I collect VIC 20 carts, and check Ebay and other sources very regularly and I have only ever seen one frogman within the last year or so. While on other platforms I have seen several carts that are 10s appear several times. I also collect 2600 carts so I'm checking for those too and I see alot more rare 2600 carts (same one several times).

Also with frogman, try doing a google search and see where thats gets you. Good luck.. not very far.


Thanks allot..

[norm8332]

I have seen several carts that are 10s appear several times.

A correction: 9s on ebay.

[Zadoc]

This is a Pippin game, and in the guide is incorrectly entered as "Gundam Mobility Fleet 0079," without the "Tactics."

Also, speaking of Pippin, I am having an increadibly difficult time confirming that "Pegasus Prime" was actually released for the console. There are a lot of articles that I can find talking about a 1997 release, but the system was killed off before then. There are also a lot of "The Journeyman Project" sites that reference a Pippin version, but they seem to be citing marketing material only.

Because boxart does not exist for this game, I think that "Pegasus Prime" belongs in Rumor Mill.

Finally, "Gundam 0079: The War for Earth" is not in the guide. It seems to be a released title. If not a confirmed release, it definately needs to be in the Rumor Mill.

Both "Pegasus Prime" and "Gundam 0079: The War for Earth" are on the "titles" page of the official Presto Studios archive website:

http://presto.tommyyune.com/presto/titles.html

However, my belief is that both titles were likely cancelled before their 1997 releases and released only for other platforms.

[segamaster]

i dont know if this was mentioned before, but i cant find the game "The Ignition Factor" for the snes in the rarity guide


any help is appreciated!

thanks

[D_N_G]

i dont know if this was mentioned before, but i cant find the game "The Ignition Factor" for the snes in the rarity guide


any help is appreciated!

thanks


here ya go:

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=14083

[segamaster]

oh! thanks a lot. i guess i just had to drop off the "The" in the front


Thanks

[Keir]

Back on the matter of VIC-20 games, should Cannonball Blitz really be a 7? It definitely isn't as rare as other Sierra games that are 7s like Lunar Leeper or Threshold. In fact, I don't think any of those are as rare as Creepy Corridors which is also a 7 (though I could be biased - that's the only Sierra VIC-20 cart I don't own :( ).

[Mayhem]

I'll be giving both the C64 and Vic20 sections a good look over shortly... when I get time in my schedule! I have seen a few more CBs about so I think it may well drop a point or so. Threshold is already down to a 5 now, more of them spotted about (and I've got two spare to sell!). I agree CC is probably at least a 7, I don't see it much.

[mb7241]

I noticed a few Sega Master System entries with rarities of 75 and 80 (no...seriously). Click "Online Rarity Guide", then type in "11" in the Scarcity box and the ">=" option. After the dialog box pops up that says "Please enter a value between 0 and 10", it'll show the four entries in question.

[anagrama]

I noticed a few Sega Master System entries with rarities of 75 and 80 (no...seriously). Click "Online Rarity Guide", then type in "11" in the Scarcity box and the ">=" option. After the dialog box pops up that says "Please enter a value between 0 and 10", it'll show the four entries in question.

Ah nuts, looks like a couple of Dollar/Scarcity values got mixed up there - I'll get it fixed for the next update.

[Technosis]

I'll be giving both the C64 and Vic20 sections a good look over shortly...

I can tell you that many rare VIC-20 games are much more common in Canada here....I have found 2 Dot Gobblers (one CIB) plus numerous Xonox double enders...all traded to collectors in the US and Europe

[vintagegamecrazy]

Hydro Thunder for N64 is definitely not worth $25, I would change it to $12-15 ramge.

For the Pippin section, anyone wanna form a committee and get that section to have some back bone?

[Mayhem]

I can tell you that many rare VIC-20 games are much more common in Canada here....I have found 2 Dot Gobblers (one CIB) plus numerous Xonox double enders...all traded to collectors in the US and Europe

Late reply but still... the double enders in general are easier to find than the singler enders, that's reflected in the guide. Only Tomarc/Motocross double was that hard to acquire, took me ages and it's only loose (my other three doublers are complete).

Dot Gobbler is also at the lowest end of the OEM rarity... most of them are incredibly hard to acquire, but this one is a bit easier than the rest.

[kataboom]

ok i read the guidelines & a few of the suggestions i was gonna mention arent as valid except one.

N64 paper mario u.s. release listed at $26 R3

with the trends ive been seeing, the rarity should be knocked to a R2 & the price (low end) should be around $15. $26 is the high ends these days & the rarity has fallen because they are all over ebay nowadays.

just my opinion.

[Atari 5200]

I don't know if it is just me, but Ren & Stimpy Fire Dogs is every where. And a 7 seems a bit high too. Thanks...

[Moo Cow]

The Unholy War is definately not a 1, I'd estimate 6-7. Also, not worth a buck either.
I believe Point Blank 3 had a version that came with the gun.