Cybermorph......beautifully simple

[Anthony1]

Cybermorph.


Man, just like Rodney Dangerfield, this game get's no respect. But I really feel that this game is quite beautifull in it's execution and what it tries to do. It's really almost like a action/flying/shooting/puzzle game.

It's very simple in it's approach, yet it's simplicity is beautifull.

Of course, I might be somewhat biased towards this game because of how much it shines on a R.G.B. monitor.

You see every slight shade of pastel and purple and blue and gray, etc, etc.

Is the draw in atrocious?

Yep.


But hey, this is freaking 1993!!!

I mean this is a pretty damn impressive game considering the year it came out.


But all you do is collect pods!

Well, yes, that is kinda basic and simple, but still it's just got a really nice flavor to it. The sound effects are pretty cool, the controls are very fluid, the game has a nice flow to it.


I know that tons of people hate this game, but I must say that I really feel that it is one of the most underrated pack in games that have ever come down the pipe. It's definitely one of the most dissrespected pack in games ever, and I just don't think it deserves that reputation.

[K3V]

As impressive as Cybermorph was, it's sequel Battlemorph on the JagCD just blows it out of the water. BM was such a great game...I should break it out and have a go at it again one of these days.

[Anthony1]

As impressive as Cybermorph was, it's sequel Battlemorph on the JagCD just blows it out of the water. BM was such a great game...I should break it out and have a go at it again one of these days.


For those lucky enough to own a Jag CD player and a copy of Battlemorph.


At some point in the future, I hope to get a Jag CD player, eventually, but they ain't exactly cheap!

[zektor]

I really liked Cybermorph and think it was a good packin back then. I still think about that green faced woman. My ex used to look like that the next day after drinking rum and cokes.

[FurinkanianFrood]

Jaguar games in general get no respect, unfortunately....

[Zadoc]

You can't convince me that the price of a Jaguar CD is justifiable.

[FurinkanianFrood]

You can't convince me that the price of a Jaguar CD is justifiable.


It's not, which is why I will probably be sticking with Cybermorph.

There were enough games to justify PCFX for me (I can read Japanese somewhat), but the Jaguar CD takes the cake.

I have been tempted to buy one though, which I can't say for some other failed systems (game.com,VBoy).

Nice avatar BTW, does this mean that Sony really is the anti-you know who like I think when I drink too much Slurm(TM)? Or is it Ned Flanders?

[Nebagram]

I like Cybermorph, admittedly there are better games for the Jag (I will always love Tempest 2000- best soundtrack ever) but as the first pack-in it does the job well. And yes, do let's remember it was 1993!

[Cauterize]

personally i dont agree, when i got my Jaguar 2nd hand, all it came with was Cybermorph, i packed it back in its box after 5mins of Cybermorph and left it there till i got AvP, Wolfenstein and Iron Soldier...

Cybermorph is discusting.... the game is sluggish, lacks gameplay, the graphics ARE awful for its time as the pixel games looked a hell of a lot better, even the Super-FX/32x games for their systems...

If the Jaguar was packed with a better game it might have stood a chance in the Console wars at the time... shame really

[Arcade Antics]

Cybermorph is weak. Even at the time SNES and Genny games were blowing it away. It's not the worst game in the world, but it's definitely mediocre at best.

*shrugs*

[Anthony1]

personally i dont agree, when i got my Jaguar 2nd hand, all it came with was Cybermorph, i packed it back in its box after 5mins of Cybermorph and left it there till i got AvP, Wolfenstein and Iron Soldier...

Cybermorph is discusting.... the game is sluggish, lacks gameplay, the graphics ARE awful for its time as the pixel games looked a hell of a lot better, even the Super-FX/32x games for their systems...

If the Jaguar was packed with a better game it might have stood a chance in the Console wars at the time... shame really

Let me ask you a question. What year did you play Cybermorph?

What year was it?


If you played it in late 1993, you probably would have had a different perspective.

Also, I must admit that this is one of those games that is given a whole new life when it is seen on a R.G.B. monitor. Some games benefit just a little bit from R.G.B., other games benefit tremendously.

Cybermorph is one of those games that benefits dramatically from R.G.B.



Also, I wouldn't say that the game is sluggish. It flows perfectly. It's not a super fast action game. It's more of a flying, puzzle, action type game. You have to take it for what it is. Also, I would hardly say that game looks awful. Yes, it has very simplistic graphics, but the simplistic graphics had to do with memory contraints, and dealing with the power of the Jaguar, or lack thereof. Also, they wanted to have a complete open, fly anywhere 3-D world, and I think they achieved that. They had to sacrifice detail to achieve that, but they definitely achieved that.


I really think you are giving this game the short end of the stick. I can understand though, if you played it for the first time more recently, not thinking that it was very good. But in 1993, it was amazing. To have a go anywhere world in 1993 was somewhat groundbreaking. I know it wasn't the first flying game to offer that, but still, it was quite impressive.

[Anthony1]

Cybermorph is weak. Even at the time SNES and Genny games were blowing it away. It's not the worst game in the world, but it's definitely mediocre at best.

*shrugs*


Again, I totally disagree.


Look at Starfox. Starfox was a great game on the SNES, a revolutionary game, introducing polygons for the first time, but it was..."on the tracks".

Cybermorph was a fly anywhere game. Total 3D. Polygons for everything, even the weapons that are fired.

That was way more advanced than any SNES and Genny games at the time. Even a few months later in early 1994 when Total Eclipse came out on 3DO, that was another shooter that was "on the tracks".

[FurinkanianFrood]

Actually, I played Cybermorph for the first time last year and I still found it entertaining.

Other than the draw distance, I didn't find any fault with it.

I'm not in the habit of considering simplicity a flaw, quite the opposite actually. Complexity in some genres bothers me, which is what is great about many Atari games, from the early days up until some of the Jaguar games.

Sometimes I don't want a control scheme that requires dual analog sticks and a dozen other buttons. Actually, I only accept that sort of thing where it is implemented very, very well.

The numeric keypad on the Jag, IMO simplifies control by taking certain functions away from the main buttons, leaving a reasonable 2 or 3 button setup more or less intact.

Of course I can see how people might not like how Cybermorph has aged. Personally I found the game far from sluggish, though the draw distance still disappoints. I'm tempted to pick up a CD unit and track down Battlemorph.

[Cauterize]

I played it 2 years ago and that doesnt make a difference because I dont judge games by the year they were released, i judge them by gameplay and can tell when a game would have looked weak for its time...
IMO Cybermorph's is abysmal....

[Sylentwulf]

Wow, I was just about to agree with you for the first time EVER, right up until you started going off on your goddamn RGB trip again...

[digitalpress]

Interesting that this game would be compared to StarFox in any way, but yeah, I guess they both have polygons.

I'd take StarFox' "on rails" approach to Cybermorph's "go anywhere" any day of the week. I'd rather have the excitement and variety of StarFox' world than the barren wasteland that is Cybermorph, and I'd prefer the amazing soundtrack in StarFox to the mumbled jibberish of that annoying green head in a heartbeat.

So yeah, there's no comparing them. Other than that they both have polygons.

[Arcade Antics]

Let me ask you a question. What year did you play Cybermorph?

What year was it?

If you played it in late 1993, you probably would have had a different perspective.

I played it in 1993 and it was lame. I played it again yesterday just to make sure it didn't evolve into a more superior game over the last dozen years and it was STILL lame.


Look at Starfox.
Why? You're talking about Cybermorph.


Cybermorph was a fly anywhere game. Total 3D. Polygons for everything, even the weapons that are fired.
So what? Polygons alone do not a great game make.


That was way more advanced than any SNES and Genny games at the time. Even a few months later in early 1994 when Total Eclipse came out on 3DO, that was another shooter that was "on the tracks".
Big deal. Give me just about any SNES or Genny game over Cybermorph any day of the week. I'd rather play something that you deem "technically inferior" than something I deem "completely lame". LOL

[NoahsMyBro]

I havne't played Cybermorph in a while, but when I did (probably sometime around '95 or '96, not that it really matters) I thought it was good, not great. It was mildly entertaining, but Skylar was annoying and cheesy, and after a short while the game grew boring.

Battlemorph was a HUGE, DRAMATIC improvement. Battlemorph was actually a lot of fun, with terrific visuals, imo. And I always chuckled a little at the Sean Connery-ish vocals introducing each mission.

[goatdan]

Interesting conversation, but it seems that too many people are comparing Cybermorph's gameplay to current games, in which case yeah... it isn't that great.

But something that it seems people are forgetting -- Cybermorph was the first go-anywhere, free roaming 3D game. Before Cybermorph, in the land of polys there was really only on-rail stuff like Star Fox, which while a great game in its own right, didn't give you freedom to go anywhere. Cybermorph granted players that freedom to go absolutely anywhere, and it was a very notable game.

I don't have the sources right now, but I remember at least one mag that stated that Cybermorph should have never been a pack in game because it easily would've been a best-seller for the system.

The draw-in has to be accounted for the time that it was. And to do real justification to a review, you need the 2 meg version that originally came with the system that has a lot less repitition in the things that Skylar says and a few missing animations.

Cybermorph was a game that pioneered a genre, but it doesn't get the respect that other games that pioneered genres do because the genre is no where near as big of a part of gaming as a FPS or something similar. Cybermorph is a good game, and a historically great game for the time it came out, but it just doesn't live up to the sequels because of the style it was. Super Mario Brothers is still great because gameplay didn't evolve so quickly. With Cybermorph, it did. As has already been noted Battlemorph is a HUGE step up, and it was published just a few years later.

[Ridley30]

Man, Cybermorph. That takes me back. I remember trading in my PS1 for a Jaguar (don't laugh). I cannot even describe to you how many hours I wasted on four games:

Aliens vs. Predator
Doom
Cannonfodder
and Cybermorph.

Damn, if you never owned a Jag you just can't understand. Sure the system sucks as a whole, but for those of us in the know...it ruled.

[vintagegamecrazy]

The Jaguar doesn't suck as a whole, it has plenty of decent games, it's just that no one gives it a chance to shine. Cybermorph was enjoyable for me but I do admit it can get boring after a while, the graphics are decent even today, the big letdown is the lack of music, had it had music it would have been twice as good. I used to play it a lot until I played Battlemorph, and that game owns Cybermorph every way possible, its worth getting a Jaguar CD for Battlemorph alone, plus a few others.

[Anthony1]

I wasn't ever trying to make a case that Cybermorph is a totally outstanding, incredible game.


I was just saying that I think it is quite good, and extremely underappreciated, and also, alot of people consider it to be total crap, which I find quite shocking.


Sure, the game is quite simple and basic, but I still think it's pretty damn good.


However, by no means was I saying that it was a absolutely great game or anything. Just a really good one, and a totally underappreciated one.

[CX2K]

I'd take StarFox' "on rails" approach to Cybermorph's "go anywhere" any day of the week. I'd rather have the excitement and variety of StarFox' world than the barren wasteland that is Cybermorph, and I'd prefer the amazing soundtrack in StarFox to the mumbled jibberish of that annoying green head in a heartbeat.


Cybermorph is a great game as I've told you many times Joe. Maybe now you'll believe me. Remind me to tell you who's better, Daphne or Kimberly, sometime...

John

[Tony Montana]

Alright I was going to post a new topic, but figured I out to search and search to make sure no one ever mentioned this before so it didnt get locked by someone. Here it is:

So I bought a Jaguar a couple weeks ago and it was the first time I ever played one. I got cybermorph, white men cant jump, and that skiing game with a crazy name with the system. Well I'm not too impressed with it as of yet. The cybermorph was alright but the white men cant jumped sucked and the skiing game wasnt very good either.

So my question is are there actually real good games on it or is it pretty much more of the same garbage?

So what are the games on the jaguar that will make me WANT to play it some more? AVP?

[Nebagram]

Defender 2000
Tempest 2000

Seriously now, Atari classics updated by Jeff Minter. You won't tire of these quickly. :)

[NoahsMyBro]

As mentioned above, D2k and T2k are excellent.
Other Jag games I liked a lot include:
Cannon Fodder (this one is available on other systems as well)
Rayman (ditto)
Worms (ditto)
Battlemorph (requires the JagCD)
Highlander (ditto)
Protector or Protector SE
Zero5
Atari Karts
Battlesphere

I haven't played every Jag game yet, which is somewhat sad considering I own nearly all of them. But of the ones I've played, I like the above a lot. And I haven't played Cannon Fodder, Worms, Tempest, or Rayman on other systems so I can't say how they compare. I can say they are terrific on the Jag, in my opinion of course.

[Arcturius]

Cannon Fodder, Worms.

they are grtaphically direct ports oif the Amiga versions just obviously changed to use the controller rather than mouse/keyboard. Cannon Fodder is one off my fave Jag games too. along with Tempest 2000. Iron Soldier is pretty good if you can get into it too.

[goatdan]

So I bought a Jaguar a couple weeks ago and it was the first time I ever played one. I got cybermorph, white men cant jump, and that skiing game with a crazy name with the system. Well I'm not too impressed with it as of yet. The cybermorph was alright but the white men cant jumped sucked and the skiing game wasnt very good either.

So my question is are there actually real good games on it or is it pretty much more of the same garbage?

I guess Val D'Isre is just a matter of taste. Personally, I love that game even though getting down the courses is basically just an exercise in memorization.

White Men Can't Jump is at the top of my "worst games ever" list. The problem isn't that the game is altogether that bad for the time, but how it progresses. Trust me, don't ever look back.

Cybermorph like I said in this thread was an incredibly innovative game when it came out, but it is very dated by today's standards. Unless it is the first free-roaming flight game you have ever played, you probably won't love it.

Now, for some good games... I guess it all depends on what you like:

Zool 2 is one of my favorites for the system, although others hate it. It's like Sonic on speed. It has a bunch of slowdown when the action gets really speedy, although personally I like that because it allows me to keep up with the gameplay.

Tempest 2000 is pure genius and my favorite game ever to date. I have bought every other version that exists (Saturn, PC, Tempest X3 for the Playstation and Tempest 3000 for the NUON) and only Tempest 3000 even comes close to it... and I still like it more. If you are into arcade gaming, get this game now. And give it a little time. After I bought it, I thought it was stupid so I put it away for three months... Now, I wonder how that happened.

Zoop is by far the best installment on the Jaguar. I really like the game -- I bought a GameBoy to play it on (and that version is really sad) and still put it in the Jag on a regular basis. It's the same Zoop as most of the others, just with smoother graphics and gameplay.

Iron Soldier is a good game if you like mech games. For some reason, I hated the first but loved the second. The second is a lot more expensive though.

Alien Vs. Predator is a game that still scares me today. It sounds stupid, but the atmosphere that this game creates is on par with Doom 3. I actually haven't played AvP for a long time thanks to the fact that it scared me so badly I fell off the couch. Surround sound system with the lights off and the HUD turned off is perhaps the scariest video game esperience ever.

Brutal Sports Football is great fun, especially with a friend.

Flip Out is a unique puzzler worth checking out. So is Attack of the Mutant Penguins. Both are really excellent, and as far as I know, Jaguar exclusives (Flip Out was supposed to come out on the PC and I think I've been pre-release copies of it, Mutant Pengiuns may have been an Amiga title?)

NBA Jam TE is the best version of NBA Jam period.

Raiden is a great port of the arcade shooter.

Ultra Vortek is an excellent 2D fighting game.

Both Wolfenstein 3D and DOOM are the best PC to console ports of those two games (N64 DOOM excluded) according to iD Software.

Power Drive Rally is a fun 2D driving game.

Missile Command 3D is a great, although short update to Missile Command. I love it.

Overall, the Jaguar actually gets a lot more crap than it deserves. For the time period, it has a very respectable amount of good games to poor games -- it is just that the poor games made a lot more attention back in the day. I'd definitely suggest sticking with it. I own every Jaguar release there is now, and I have played them all, and there are even a number that I like that I didn't name because my list was getting really long (Hover Strike, I-War, Pinball Fantasies, Super Burnout) and I also didn't get into the new releases (Protector is great, love Soccer Kid - although you can get it for other systems, loved Skyhammer, ADORE Battlesphere) or the Jaguar CD (Vid Grid, Highlander, Iron Soldier 2, World Tour Racing, Baldies, Battlemorph).

So anyway, I would say definitely stick with it! Just pick out what looks the best to you and GAME ON!

[Anthony1]

Alright I was going to post a new topic, but figured I out to search and search to make sure no one ever mentioned this before so it didnt get locked by someone. Here it is:

So I bought a Jaguar a couple weeks ago and it was the first time I ever played one. I got cybermorph, white men cant jump, and that skiing game with a crazy name with the system. Well I'm not too impressed with it as of yet. The cybermorph was alright but the white men cant jumped sucked and the skiing game wasnt very good either.

So my question is are there actually real good games on it or is it pretty much more of the same garbage?

So what are the games on the jaguar that will make me WANT to play it some more? AVP?


I'm guessing that you aren't going to like the Jag very much. If I were to be totally blunt about it, I would have to say that the jag is pretty damn crappy. It's right there with the 32X, in terms of having very few games worth actually spending any real time with.

However, there are a few nice games here and there. Unfortunately, most of the nice games are also available on other systems and usually better on other systems.

The port of DOOM was really, really good. But I think the PSX version of DOOM is almost as good, and it has background music and the Jag DOOM doesn't. Still, I think that the Jag version of Doom might be the most underrated console port of Doom out there by a large margin. Wolfenstein 3D is very good too, but if you have a 3DO, I think Wolfenstein is even better on the 3DO! AVP is very good, but expensive, and being a old school FPS, kinda dated with it's graphics. But still AVP is the one game on the Jag that makes you think that maybe the Jag isn't just a 16 bit system on crack the same way the TG-16 is a 8 bit system on crack.

Power Drive Rally looks cool, I haven't played it yet. Trevor McFurr is widely regarded as one of the worst games of all time, but I actually enjoy it to a slight degree. Zool 2 looks like it's kinda cool, the game appears to be bursting with color. Bubsy might be ok too. Pittfall the Myan Adventure, Flashback, Rayman, all those games were done on other systems and probably done better on other systems. So it's a reach to mention any of those.

I can tell you from first hand experience that Checkered Flag and Hoverstrike suck big time. Attack of the Mutant Penguins actually looks kinda cool, but I haven't tried it. As for Tempest 2000, I think it's one of the most overrated games in History, but you will get alot of people that will swear to high heaven about it. Iron Soldier isn't too bad, but I think it's a game that hasn't aged very well. Raiden has a version on just about every system known to man, but I actually had Raiden for the Jag back in the day, and I liked it quite a bit.

Anyways, the system is pretty damn horrible, but it still has a handfull of games that are decent, but if you never owned it originally, then you don't have that nostalgia factor, and then you might just end up hating the Jag, and wishing that you never ever bought one. Still, I think the Jag is much better than the 32X, but that isn't saying much.

[ozyr]

For those who don't like it, that's your choice. Personally, I've always liked Cybermorph. It's not the best game in the world, but I've played it for many hours (years ago), and don't regret it at all. Just plain fun...

[DCVision]

Cybermorph was a great pack-in game, not really my style for a game but it did get a LOT of play from my and my friends plus I did beat it so... I did put in some effort in the game!

Battlemproh absolutely rocks... from the music to the depth of the game and the darkness...it's beautiful. If you have a JagCD I would rate this game easily number 1 for the Jag CD.
I never did get to beat it but it offered so much more than Cybermorph with the underwater and everything.... just awesome!

T2K / D2K / PDR / Ultra Vortek are good reasons to own a Jaguar easily.

[FurinkanianFrood]

Jaguar isn't a bad system by any means.

It's not horrible. :angry:

Despite what some people will tell you, it has:

1. Best Wolfenstein 3D. Better than the PC version. It's faster, smoother, and has more weapons.

2. Tempest 2000. The ports aren't up to spec. Tempest 3000 is cool though. It's not overrated. It can't be praised enough.

3. AVP. Games don't age. If they 'age' it means they weren't as good as they were thought to be. It may not be smooth looking, but it's still got atmosphere, which almost all other FPS don't. And since when is it expensive?!

4. Defender 2000. Protector SE. A port of Raiden which is only second to the PCE versions IMO.

5. Jag Doom is better than any other console version by far, other than the N64. I prefer the Jag version over the N64 rev personally. The PS version is sad. The music was pointless and annyoing anyway IMO. Good riddance. Also, the Jag controller works really well.

6. Iron Soldier looks old, but it plays really well. Much better than any of the tripe mech games on PS/PS2. I don't mind one bit having it in my collection along with Virtual On, Gungriffon (Saturn), Assault Suits Valken, etc.

7. Super Burnout is a really nice arcade racer IMO.

8. The original (and best) version of Rayman. The PS version is weak, and the Saturn version wasn't ported well.

9. There is really nothing wrong with the Jag version of Zool 2. Nice game.

10. Cybermorph isn't bad at all if you give it a chance. Battlemorph is incredible.

11. Best NBA Jam. Period.

Crowds of people people get ticked off when I rant about PS2/PSP but who gets in a huff when someone puts down the Jag (except me and a scant few others)?

Nobody showing up in this thread to tell people to stop hating? Thought so. Popular consoles are easy to defend. It's easy to gang up on people who disagree.

Unpopular consoles get knocked around for no reason. People still seem to think that the PS is more powerful than the Saturn!!! Bull@#$%!!!

The DC is better than the PS2. It didn't even have time to reach maturity before mindless slaves to Sony's propaganda (not to mention the mainstream game media) killed it. It had untapped potential dammit!

And yet I get slapped around for arguing with people who slavishly refuse to see what mass market garbage consoles are doing to the industry?

I had a PS2. I actually had three of the damn things. I just got sick of lying to myself and woke up to reality.

Since when did the Jag wreak the kind of horrendous damage to gaming that Sony, EA, and PC gaming have wrought?

It's time that people know what real games are!! :angry:

[DCVision]

Wow... I've found someone that agrees the DC had SO much more life in it!
8-)

I completely agree and the DC was a monster!
I think there are other reasons why the DC died an early death but I'm not wanting to hijack this thread out of craze :)

[goatdan]

But still AVP is the one game on the Jag that makes you think that maybe the Jag isn't just a 16 bit system on crack the same way the TG-16 is a 8 bit system on crack.

AvP is the one game that makes you think the Jag is more powerful than a 16 bit system?

Seriously, that is a really biased statement. I can think of at least 20 other games that couldn't have been done as a regular port. Hell, compare NBA Jam TE on any other system to NBA Jam TE on the Jaguar.


Cybermorph was a great pack-in game

Cybermorph was a genre defining game, and even though it doesn't hold up so well now, it was definitely a great pack in.


AVP. Games don't age. If they 'age' it means they weren't as good as they were thought to be.

AvP's smoothness "issues" were actually a design decision to make the game play slower to increase the suspense. I have a prototype of that game that moves at a lot higher rate of speed and much higher framerate. Why Rebellion decided to slow it down but make it look sort of choppy is probably due to the fact that Atari needed to have the game out as soon as possible to help push the Jaguar console.


I've found someone that agrees the DC had SO much more life in it!

More than just one... have you seen Feet of Fury (http://www.goatstore.com/info.php?id=372001), Inhabitants (http://www.goatstore.com/info.php?id=372010), and Maqiupai (http://www.goatstore.com/info.php?id=372020) before? There is much, much more on its way too.

And to resume this back to the right track, hopefully the Jaguar will be seeing some new releases sometime soon too.

[Anthony1]

Jaguar isn't a bad system by any means.

It's not horrible. :angry:

Despite what some people will tell you, it has:

1. Best Wolfenstein 3D. Better than the PC version. It's faster, smoother, and has more weapons.

2. Tempest 2000. The ports aren't up to spec. Tempest 3000 is cool though. It's not overrated. It can't be praised enough.

3. AVP. Games don't age. If they 'age' it means they weren't as good as they were thought to be. It may not be smooth looking, but it's still got atmosphere, which almost all other FPS don't. And since when is it expensive?!

4. Defender 2000. Protector SE. A port of Raiden which is only second to the PCE versions IMO.

5. Jag Doom is better than any other console version by far, other than the N64. I prefer the Jag version over the N64 rev personally. The PS version is sad. The music was pointless and annyoing anyway IMO. Good riddance. Also, the Jag controller works really well.

6. Iron Soldier looks old, but it plays really well. Much better than any of the tripe mech games on PS/PS2. I don't mind one bit having it in my collection along with Virtual On, Gungriffon (Saturn), Assault Suits Valken, etc.

7. Super Burnout is a really nice arcade racer IMO.

8. The original (and best) version of Rayman. The PS version is weak, and the Saturn version wasn't ported well.

9. There is really nothing wrong with the Jag version of Zool 2. Nice game.

10. Cybermorph isn't bad at all if you give it a chance. Battlemorph is incredible.

11. Best NBA Jam. Period.

Crowds of people people get ticked off when I rant about PS2/PSP but who gets in a huff when someone puts down the Jag (except me and a scant few others)?

Nobody showing up in this thread to tell people to stop hating? Thought so. Popular consoles are easy to defend. It's easy to gang up on people who disagree.

Unpopular consoles get knocked around for no reason. People still seem to think that the PS is more powerful than the Saturn!!! Bull@#$%!!!

The DC is better than the PS2. It didn't even have time to reach maturity before mindless slaves to Sony's propaganda (not to mention the mainstream game media) killed it. It had untapped potential dammit!

And yet I get slapped around for arguing with people who slavishly refuse to see what mass market garbage consoles are doing to the industry?

I had a PS2. I actually had three of the damn things. I just got sick of lying to myself and woke up to reality.

Since when did the Jag wreak the kind of horrendous damage to gaming that Sony, EA, and PC gaming have wrought?

It's time that people know what real games are!! :angry:


I'm not anti-Jaguar, I just personally think that it's one of the worst systems out there, but it does have a few decent games. Anyways, I would like to argue some of your observations:

1. Try Wolfenstein on the 3DO. I had Wolfenstein on the Jag, and it's a good version, but the 3DO version is the best one that I've played so far. It's blazingly fast and has great music.

2. Tempest 2000 - Personally, this game just isn't for me. It's ok, but so many people swear that it's the be all end all, and for me, it's just a decent game, no more no less. Also, I've heard other Jag fans say that some of the other versions of it are superior, but I haven't tried any of those versions myself.

3. AVP - I personally feel that old 3D games are prone to not looking to good when revisited many years later. AVP is still a great game. And I think it's still very playable today, but it has aged quite a bit. As for it being expensive, I think it's expensive, I would like to get a loose cart of it for about $15 or less shipped, but that ain't happening anytime soon.

4. Defender 2000 - I haven't played this. Protector SE - I also haven't played this, but this game doesn't really count in my opinion. All the late homebrew type Jag games shouldn't even be factored into the equation. I think the Jag should be judged on the games that were available in 1993, 1994, 1995 and 1996. Maybe very early 1997. Raiden, I agree with you. One of the best ports of Raiden that I've played. In fact, this is another loose Jag cart that I need to get.

5. Jag Doom - I also think that the Jag Doom version is amazing, but I don't think I would say that the PSX version is sad. The 32X version and 3DO versions are sad. The PSX version is damn good. The N64 version is really almost a different game, and this game is way too freaking dark in my opinion. I love the Jag version of Doom, it's the one that I really played over and over, then later I got the PSX version, and I enjoyed that tremendously as well. I haven't played the Jag version of Doom in a long, long time, again, another loose Jag cart that I need to acquire, but I will have to revisit the Jag vs. PSX versions again sometime.

6. Iron Soldier - Iron Soldier was a cool game when I first got it, back in the day, but now when I try to play it, I just don't enjoy myself much. I quickly decided that this was a game that didn't age well "for me", so I turned off my Jag and took that cart out. Maybe I should give it another go.

7. Super Burnout - I think I actually rented this way back during the Jag hey day, and I thought it was ok, but very 16 bit looking. I would like to check it out again.

8. Rayman - Ok, this must just be pure Jag love on your part, because the PSX version is way better, and the Saturn version is even better than the much better PSX version because it has a better D-pad. IMHO Saturn version of Rayman 1 rules.

9. Zool 2 - I've never played this, another loose cart I would like to find for cheap, I would love to see this in glorious RGB, because all of the screenshots I've seen suggest that it's very colorfull.

10. Cybermorph - This game is absolutely awesome, incredibly underrated in my opinion, yes it's graphics are simple, but the gameplay is solid, the draw in is absolutely horrid, but who cares, this came out in late 1993 people!!

11, NBA Jam TE - I haven't played this version, but I find it hard to believe that it's better than the Saturn version. And based on your assesment of Rayman, I think again this might be Jag Love on your part, but I could be wrong.


It might seem like I really dislike the Jaguar, but that isn't the case. In fact, I'm always on Ebay trying to find a cheap loose cart of a game I want. Unfortunately, people always outbid me on there. But this system has some decent games. Still, all in all, I rank it way down there in terms of the systems that I enjoy. I mean, if I could only take one system with me to a desert island, I know that the Jag would be way far down on the list. Although I must say that it would be ahead of the 32X!!!

I definitely give the Jag the nod over the 32X.