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SoulBlazer
03-24-2005, 02:04 AM
This thread is not to bash arcades as they currently exist. It's not to compare anything. It's just some thoughts and comments I shared with a friend recently.

Arcades are fun from dead. Look at how popular the ones that are in Dave and Busters and other 'dedicated' places are. But they have to a draw these days, something else to bring people in there besides playing video games. And the games themselves have to be special -- either games that can not be done justice in a home game version or games that are too new to be out there. Stand alone arcades are a thing of the past (as evidenced by two closing in my area in the last two years).

I enjoy going to my local Dave and Busters in Providence Place Mall. I go normaly about once a month, sometimes alone and sometimes with a friend. When I go to the mall, though, I don't go JUST for D&B. I go also to shop, to eat, to look around. I pay for parking anyway so I want to make sure I have a good time. That ties into the notes I made above.

And I don't just go into D&B to play games. I usually eat at the restraunt there, which has really good food. It's not that expensive and the portions are quite large, even if the menu is kind of limited. Sometimes I go in to play pool. Othertimes to watch a game at the bar and have a drink.

The arcade itself is kind of small but a lot is packed in there. There's some really fun games there that I just can't get for home. There's a boxing and a firefighting game, a paddling game that you play with a friend, a couple of DDR games, a virtual bowling game, Ski Ball, a airplane simulator, and several 'classic' games like Space Invaders and Missle Command.

One personal favorite of mine is Derby Owner's Club World Edition by Sega. Man, I can't believe how addicting this game is. ;) You start by breeding a racehorse and then you train it and race it in a race. Then you feed it and praise it and move on to the next race. Your stats are saved on a card that you put into the machine each time you play. The games are kinda pricy -- about 2.50 a pop -- but they last about 10 minutes or so and it's run developing your horse and playing aganist others.

Another great game also by Sega is Star Wars Triliogy Arcade. And yet another one is a bubble shaped device with several games to pick from. You sit down in the bubble and use a joystick to play your game and it moves around with you.

Not many companies are left in the arcade field. There are four big makers of games these days that account for almost every game in the D&B:

Sega
Konami
Namco
Electronic Arts

There's a few games left from Atari/Midway, Capcom, and SNK, but nothing made since 2000 for those companies.

A good selection of ticket games also, such as Ski Ball which I mentioned above. I still love playing that, and I save my tickets for something really nice down the road. ;)

It's defentily a family place where kids can come in and have a good time. At the same time, it caters to adults with waitresses who serve you drinks while you play, the pool tables, and the bar (even one in the arcade). And it's nice to see that under the right conditions that arcades can still do well. Not to mention it's a lot easier just to put money on a card and swipe that at machines to play then messing with coins. ;) Some times of the week are even cheaper to play -- come on a less crowed night and make your money go further.

Anyone else been to a modern arcade recently?

bargora
03-24-2005, 06:28 PM
Yes. A Dave & Buster's a few months ago. It made me depressed.

Flack
03-24-2005, 10:03 PM
Well SoulBlazer I think you hit upon some key points that most arcade owners (and all successful ones) have discovered -- the main one being, games simply don't pay the bills any more.

I remember reading Tekken 5 cost almost $4,000. $4,000! That's 16,000 quarters to break even! And even games that aren't as popular any longer need upkeep. What happens when your Defender brings in $200/month and then the monitor dies. Games like that could end up losing you money!

I'm sure if I ran an arcade I'd push selling drinks and such too. I remember way back when hearing that 97 cents on the dollar was profit from a fountain Coke. The other thing arcade owners have to be able to deliver is things you can't get at home. Big screens, big multi-player games, ski-ball .. you get the idea. Let's face it, Ms. Pac-Man was available on the Genesis, you have to give the AVERAGE person more than that if you want to drag them out of their homes and into the arcades.

Necromutant
03-24-2005, 11:36 PM
Yea I have been to the D&B here in town as well... really I would agree that it is very disappointing. I would love to go into one of these and see the newest KoF game on the Atomiswave or a Guilty Gear game or even Capcom vs SNK 2, but they have never had them... :angry: Wouldn't mind throwing down some KoF on a MVS if they had one of those (even though I have the MVS carts of most of those at home) but none of that either. Bad selection of game there... so when I go to D&B I spend most of my time bsing with friends, drinking and eating fatty treats. :-P Wouldn't mind getting some good fighting games in with that too though...

AFGiant
03-24-2005, 11:58 PM
There's still an arcade in the mall near me. They don't sell food or anything like that, its soley for games. There are always some people in it, but I seem to think its held alive by the DDR junkies. There's also a small arcade-like setup in front of the cinemas. There is a Dave and Busters about 2 hours away from me, its up by my cousins' house. There is also an arcade in Lake George about an hour away, by some other cousins' camp. That one has a lot of old games and pinball games, plus a lot of the newer ones, and is for the sole purpose of gaming. There's a Jillian's near me with a Dave and Busters style arcade, except maybe even bigger.

See, arcades still are alive. And some of them arn't even real modernized.

Graham Mitchell
03-25-2005, 09:08 AM
There are no arcades around here. Maybe Golden Tee in a few bars, and some pretty lousy pinball tables at the movie theater and that's it. I guess there's a Gameworks around here, but I don't have time to investigate it right now. Gameworks in Seattle was great until about 2002, when they started getting rid of all the games (?). I couldn't understand the logic of that. There were ALWAYS people playing them whenever I went, but the only games they kept were the over-sized novelty games like Alpine Racer and Tokyo Wars, and that wierd vesion of Tekken 3 with the motion sensors where you act out your character's actions.

Now nobody wants to go because they games they offer have minimal substance. You can't play Asteroids, Ataxx, or Arkanoid Returns for a quarter anymore because the machines are gone. You have to spend a buck on some over-the-top racing game that's only going to give you 2 minutes and 30 seconds of game time until you've gotta put more money in it.

If you could play arcade games like those in the 80's and early 90's, they probably would draw more people who went just to play games, because it's nice to go out and do something, and have a social outlet, and let's face it--a lot of people in their 20's like games. So now, these specialty arcades are in the restaraunt business.

I realize that widespread losses were occurring in the coin-op industry that led to the closing of the smaller, dedicated arcades, but I wonder if these specialty establishments haven't made a mistake by assuming that people don't want to play "simple" game anymore.

spoon
03-25-2005, 09:28 AM
XBox Live.

Flack
03-25-2005, 09:53 AM
Yup, that's the problem. It's the same reason Netflix works so well.

There are several arcades around here. The biggest stand alone one is Cactus Jacks. Probably 80-100 games, some old, but new is taking over.

There are two or three in the surrounding malls. Crossroads Mall, Heritage Park Mall, and Quail Springs Mall all have decent arcades.

Then we've got the kiddie stuff, Chuck E. Cheese, Celebration Station and the like.

Lady Jaye
03-25-2005, 10:08 AM
Here in Montreal, there aren't too many arcades left. Even one of the bigger ones on Ste. Catherine street shut down a few months ago.

At the bar I go to, which is located in the basement level of a shopping mall, there's a small arcade section, separated from the bar by a door, but part of the bar nonetheless. Since they're accessible through the bar only and they sell some alcohol there (or people bring in their drinks from the bar section), its access is 18+ (the minimum drinking age in Quebec).

It's not a bad little arcade, although they don't get a whole lot of new stuff. It's mostly bar patrons wanting a quieter place to sit down and talk (or play some games in between 2 karaoke songs).

A co-worker of mine told me that this whole bar/arcade area used to be a huge arcade back in the day. Now, the arcade area is about 1/5 of the whole bar.

There are 2 types of "arcade" that have been popping up in the past couple of years, at least here in Montreal: the ultimate entertainment centre (I think of a place called Legends at the former Montreal Forum; in a way, it's like an adult, modern version of Chuck E. Cheese) or as part of a multiplex movie theatre. Legends isn't bad in itself, but I doubt it's very profitable, as it's already changed ownership once. Still, it's one of the last remaining places in Montreal to have a high number of arcade cabinets and even a few pinball tables. Unfortunately, they have almost no retro cabinet, save for a Ms. Pac-Man/Galaga 20th anniversary one...

Jibbajaba
03-25-2005, 11:03 AM
We have a nickel arcade in my hometown. I freakin love that place. All the games are a nickel to play, and they get the new stuff in there. The catch is, it costs $2.00 to go inside. So they get a guaranteed $2 out of ever person that walks in the door. Seems like not much, but that can add up pretty quick. Frankly, they could charge $5 and I would still easily pay it.

Chris

RockyRaccoon
03-25-2005, 12:09 PM
We have a nickel arcade in my hometown. I freakin love that place. All the games are a nickel to play, and they get the new stuff in there. The catch is, it costs $2.00 to go inside. So they get a guaranteed $2 out of ever person that walks in the door. Seems like not much, but that can add up pretty quick. Frankly, they could charge $5 and I would still easily pay it.

Chris

Thats 20 games on the dollar if each game is a Nickel! so what would normally take 5 bucks only take 1 buck.. if you had 5 bucks, you'd have 100 plays!

I have to say, that sceheme seems quite excellent..charge less a game..... *BUT* Charge some sort of cover charge.

I mean..for 2 bucks to get in..and only a Nickel a game....damn, now THATS what *I'M* Talking about as a good way to get bussiness!

Push Upstairs
03-25-2005, 12:15 PM
its access is 18+ (the minimum drinking age in Quebec).


I'm sure alot of people around here would love for the drinking age to be 18...but i doubt it would have much affect on underage drinking.



The arcade here is just an arcade..they don't sell drinks and whatnot to cover costs. I don't go in there anymore because its made up of either Time Crisis and its ilk or racing games.

Lady Jaye
03-25-2005, 12:42 PM
Indeed, putting the minimum drinking age to 18 doesn't eliminate underage drinking... it's not an uncommon sight to see 17-year-olds trying to sneak into bars with their friends.

And this is why the bar described above cards people on high-traffic nights... last Friday, I got carded there and had to leave cuz I didn't have any ID on me. Never mind the fact that I've been a regular in that bar for 3 years and that I'm 29 years old! :P