DP Wire: Should we add UMD movies to upcoming releases list?

[dreams]

It's your turn again to influence the direction of DP Wire, the biweekly digital newsletter for Digital Press. The issue: UMD movies.

As many of you know, the Wire provides you with a list of games being released in the coming 3 weeks for all the current gen systems as well as PC. With movies being released as UMDs for the PSP, the question is should we include them in the "Upcoming Releases" section or leave them out?

Please give us your feedback! Thanks!

For those of you who don't get the Wire and would like to, you can sign up here (http://www.digitpress.com/mailform.htm).

[digitalpress]

I voted yes, but it's a limited yes.

I'd like to see a few of them in the PSP list but not every upcoming movie. How do you choose which to use? I don't know. But as a PSP owner I think it would be cool to have a few of these on the list just so we can get a good sense of everything for the system over the ensuing two weeks.

[Nature Boy]

I voted no. I'd prefer the DP Wire stuck to games, and with 3 consoles and 3 handhelds (plus the PC) I think there is plenty of release information in there already. The movie side of things doesn't fit in a video game email IMO, even though it's playable on a handheld.

[rbudrick]

I vote yes, but only if we do them all in their own PSP section. Also, if we do, we have to do all the CDi movies and and all those non-game GB carts. Of course, if we do this, I think we should do it for every system. C64 had a lot of non-game carts. The Famicom did too. I'm sure there's others.

I just think if we did, we should do it without any double standards.

-Rob

[Jibbajaba]

I voted yes, but I agree with Joe. If some really cool classic movie is coming out on UMD, then put it in the Wire, but a laundry list of bad movies is just a waste of space. For example, I dont really need to know that "Legally Blonde" is coming out on UMD, but if the Godfather were coming out, then yeah.

Chris

[poloplayr]

Of course not.

[Cmosfm]

Yes.

I was skimming over a "coming soon" list of UMD movies, I had no intention of buying UMD movies whatsoever.....

.....the I seen "Kill Bill Vol. 1"

Looks like I'll be buying at least ONE UMD movie after all. LOL

And if we didn't have a release list of them we would miss out on movies we love!

[sisko]

I'll vote "no"

While manageable right now, maintaining a list of movies could get extremely out of hand in the future should the technology take off. Additionally, it would be entirely too be difficult to limit the list to movies that are "good" as everyone's opinion varies a great deal.

Likewise, if movies are to be included, what's to stop us if music CDs are released on UMD format?

[dreams]

Personally, I haven't been following the UMD movies at all, so I don't know exactly how huge of a thing it will be. I don't know if only select "best seller" movies will be on UMD, or if every movie under the sun will be. Does anyone know?

All I can say is that if the UMDs were to be included in the issue of the Wire scheduled for delivery on Saturday, there would be 6 movies listed. I would break them away from the regular PSP games, probably under a subsection called "PSP movies" or something similar.


I vote yes, but only if we do them all in their own PSP section. Also, if we do, we have to do all the CDi movies and and all those non-game GB carts. Of course, if we do this, I think we should do it for every system. C64 had a lot of non-game carts. The Famicom did too. I'm sure there's others.

I just think if we did, we should do it without any double standards.

I'm not sure I agree. The upcoming release section is for current gen systems. Right now, we don't even release a list for homebrews. As far as I know (and I could be wrong), the PSP is the only current gen system that has commercially released official alternative media designed specifically for it.


I voted yes, but I agree with Joe. If some really cool classic movie is coming out on UMD, then put it in the Wire, but a laundry list of bad movies is just a waste of space. For example, I dont really need to know that "Legally Blonde" is coming out on UMD, but if the Godfather were coming out, then yeah.

The difficulty in picking and choosing which movies to list comes from the fact that I don't think everyone who reads the Wire has the same movie tastes as me. If we do go that route, you would certainly know when those sappy romantic comedies are coming out. LOL Yes, I'm exaggerating, but you see what I mean. What someone deems as the best movie ever is someone else's worst movie ever. I'm leaning towards an all or nothing deal, but feel free to offer other suggestions if you have them.

[98PaceCar]

Can it be done as a trial type of thing? I'd like to know everything that's coming up for the system, but if it does get unmanageable or unpopular in the future, get rid of it. Seems to be a good compromise.

[Kejoriv]

No stick to games.

[tholly]

since im the one typing up the list, id like to put in my in put....or whatever



i feel that we should include this list, at least for a few wires and see how it works out

as was stated above, there are only 6 right now and we dont know how big the UMD movie thing will become

if it gets to the point that 90 movies are coming out in the 3 week wire time period, then i dont feel that they should be included.....if it stays at something like 10 or under for a given 3 week wire period, then i see no problem in including them, since they are media that can only be played on a psp unlike dvds or cds that can be played on countless electronics

so, yes, include them until any possible problem arrises


another idea, i could type up a list and that could be sent to only people interested in the UMD releases (if thats an option, i dont know)

[calthaer]

I come here for information on games, not movies. Put other irrelevant info in if you want, but then take me off the wire.

[tholly]

suppose someone were collecting for the PSP....would having all the PSP UMD Movies be needed for a complete collection??

[slip81]

I voted yes, but I agree with others that it should be in a limited manner. The Wire is first and foremost about games, and I think it would okay to include maybe a few (if any) UMD movies that come out in the next month or two.

The Wire should be about giving us the most amount of info that it can on any given gaming system, and since UMD movies are part of the PSP I believe that they should be recognized by the Wire.

Plus it will be a good resource for people like me who use the Wire as teir main source of release info.

[Avenger]

suppose someone were collecting for the PSP....would having all the PSP UMD Movies be needed for a complete collection??

Does a PS2 Collector need every DVD and every CD to have a complete collection?

I say do it, but keep it seperate from the games...that way EVERYONE will be happy....I doubt there will be that many UMD movies anyway

[tholly]

suppose someone were collecting for the PSP....would having all the PSP UMD Movies be needed for a complete collection??

Does a PS2 Collector need every DVD and every CD to have a complete collection?


but, those discs can be played on anything...ps2, xbox, my laptop, my home computer, my dvd player, car cd player, boom box, etc......

UMDs can currently ONLY be played on the PSP...they are a unique media made for one specific video game system

[rbudrick]

Additionally, it would be entirely too be difficult to limit the list to movies that are "good" as everyone's opinion varies a great deal.

Exactly. The way I see it, if you include any, you have to include them all. I suppose if it's just for the Wire, then it's not a big deal, but if they go in the book, see my above post.

-Rob

[SoulBlazer]

I vote yes.

UMD's are going to be a LIMITED release, people. I asked my friendly manager at EB for a list of them, and only about seven movies are planned right now for UMD format, one of them the FF7 movie. Not many are going to be coming out, hence, no big hassle to throw them into the DP wire. I'd list them with the PSP releases and say (MOVIE) at the end of it.

[IGotTheDot]

I vote Yes.

The UMD movies are a special format made just for the PSP. As a collector I will want to have all the movies if I am going to call my collection complete.

The comment about every DVD for the PS2 is apples and oranges. A better comment would be to compare the UMD movies with the movies and videos that were out for the 3DO or the CDi. Those were a special format and not a universal format that happened to be supported for the system.

I was dead against the idea of movies on the PSP until I saw Spiderman 2. It is awesome looking and I plan on grabbing up movies at a low used price.

My2Cents

[DeputyMoniker]

Im voting yes. I bet those of us who want it, want it more than those who don't want it, don't want it. Was that hard to understand?
Anyway, I'd be very happy to find a list of upcomming movies!

[Frankie23]

Do you list upcoming Game Boy Advance Video releases? There's your "alternative media" precedent right there. I voted no.

[Griking]

The PS2 has DVD playback. Are you going to document every DVD move the PS2 will play?

[tholly]

Do you list upcoming Game Boy Advance Video releases? There's your "alternative media" precedent right there. I voted no.

i dont think id call it a precedent...it never really came up in discussion with the wire crew

but as for the gba videos, they still make those things?!?

right now i dont see any slated as upcoming releases....but, if a new one pops up, i would be more than happy to add it to the normal gba release list

[98PaceCar]

What's the big deal with adding this? It's not going to be a huge list and I doubt any content that is already there will be dropped. If you don't want to read the list, don't read it! Nobody is forcing anybody to read it, but if it's there and helps some people out, it's a good thing.

[Half Japanese]

I come here for information on games, not movies. Put other irrelevant info in if you want, but then take me off the wire.

Boo-hoo-hoo, it's free. Bitch about it when you pay for it.

I voted yes, it's not like every dvd on the market will see a UMD release. There's a snowball's chance in hell of having a Karate Kid UMD.

[Stark]

This is all about games and should stay focused in that direction. If you decide to add movies it won't bother me at all but if I have a voice on this subject I vote NAY to movies on DP. 8-)

[Jasoco]

I don't know whether to vote Yes or No. I think since they'll only be limited, and with good right as each movie will cost from $20-$30 (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/rpg/finalfantasyviiadventchildren/news_6118718.html) (!!!!), they won't last long. No way am I paying that much for a UMD Movie unless it's an exclusive.

I'd just as well buy a Gigabyte card, rip the movie from the DVD and take that with me instead. Which I will do.

[Zadoc]

I vote yes. Why? Because does any other media device play UMD movies? Not to my knowledge.

[DeputyMoniker]

It excited me to find the movies listed in the wire this week!
Thanks!

[scooterb23]

I wonder how many people were irreparably damaged by having those 5 movies listed in the wire...

I don't even have a PSP yet, but I was interested in seeing what was coming out. I also hope that Sony takes a chance and releases a few albums in this format as well... I would love to listen to my music, and maybe have the video or some light show playing on the screen at the same time.

And I hope if this happens...I see it in the Wire :)

[tholly]

It excited me to find the movies listed in the wire this week!
Thanks!


glad you guys liked it

hopefully no one was too damaged that they couldnt go on living

[Cmosfm]

Did you remember to take calthaer off the mailing list, I'd really hate for him to get all upset and emotionally damaged over this.

I like it, btw, thanks! :)

[calthaer]

I come here for information on games, not movies. Put other irrelevant info in if you want, but then take me off the wire.
Boo-hoo-hoo, it's free. Bitch about it when you pay for it.

Don't be a jackass. I'm just saying I wouldn't be interested in the wire if they clutter it with non-gaming information.

[vincewy]

I voted a definite NO, it seems the YES voters are much more vocal, but look at the poll so far.

If you include UMD movies, you'll also have to include every DVDs (even CDs for some extent) for PS2/Xbox, every LD movies, karaokes, and music for LaserActive. As for UMD been able to be played only on PSP, well, PS3 might include UMD player as well.

[tholly]

I voted a definite NO, it seems the YES voters are much more vocal, but look at the poll so far.

If you include UMD movies, you'll also have to include every DVDs (even CDs for some extent) for PS2/Xbox, every LD movies, karaokes, and music for LaserActive. As for UMD been able to be played only on PSP, well, PS3 might include UMD player as well.

what i said previously:


but, those discs can be played on anything...ps2, xbox, my laptop, my home computer, my dvd player, car cd player, boom box, etc......

UMDs can currently ONLY be played on the PSP...they are a unique media made for one specific video game system

dvds, cds, laserdiscs, kareoke (sp), and laserdisc music discs can be played on any dvd, cd player etc.

i can play a dvd on my panasonic dvd player, my sony dvd player, my sony laptop, my microsoft xbox, my sony ps2, a panasonic q cube if i had one, my car cd player, my cheap-o brand portable cd player, my rca boombox, ect....

umds...i can play them on my psp and ...... nope.... just my psp



....also, are they even releasing US Laserdiscs anymore...I thought that whole thing died out a while ago

plus, is there any kareoke player that plays video games?
the psp plays games, so umds can be listed
but, beside karoke music, are there games to be played on one??

[Cmosfm]

but, those discs can be played on anything...ps2, xbox, my laptop, my home computer, my dvd player, car cd player, boom box, etc......

UMDs can currently ONLY be played on the PSP...they are a unique media made for one specific video game system

dvds, cds, laserdiscs, kareoke (sp), and laserdisc music discs can be played on any dvd, cd player etc.

i can play a dvd on my panasonic dvd player, my sony dvd player, my sony laptop, my microsoft xbox, my sony ps2, a panasonic q cube if i had one, my car cd player, my cheap-o brand portable cd player, my rca boombox, ect....

umds...i can play them on my psp and ...... nope.... just my psp


Exactly, it's just like the GBA videos. If you are collecting GBA, you need the videos to complete the collection. If you are collection PSP, you need the UMD movies to complete the collection.

UMD movies are just like GBA video, they are released for the gaming system and the gaming system only. Henceforth, they should be included.

[tholly]

but, those discs can be played on anything...ps2, xbox, my laptop, my home computer, my dvd player, car cd player, boom box, etc......

UMDs can currently ONLY be played on the PSP...they are a unique media made for one specific video game system

dvds, cds, laserdiscs, kareoke (sp), and laserdisc music discs can be played on any dvd, cd player etc.

i can play a dvd on my panasonic dvd player, my sony dvd player, my sony laptop, my microsoft xbox, my sony ps2, a panasonic q cube if i had one, my car cd player, my cheap-o brand portable cd player, my rca boombox, ect....

umds...i can play them on my psp and ...... nope.... just my psp


Exactly, it's just like the GBA videos. If you are collecting GBA, you need the videos to complete the collection. If you are collection PSP, you need the UMD movies to complete the collection.

UMD movies are just like GBA video, they are released for the gaming system and the gaming system only. Henceforth, they should be included.


...and, if nintendo does bother to release any more of them through majesco ill add them to the list i type up

[Lady Jaye]

I think that the wire should either include BOTH the UMD movies and the GBA videos (if they're still being released) or NEITHER. Otherwise, I normally wouldn't be too warm at the idea of including the UMD releases, but I'd be surprised if that list ever became very long. So far, the movies released are action movies and the like... I'd be surprised to see, for instance, While You Were Sleeping released on UMD format.

Anyway, I'm on the fence on this one. If the release list remains rather short, sure, do include it. If it gets much longer, either don't include it or include only the highlights.

[petewhitley]

Exactly, it's just like the GBA videos. If you are collecting GBA, you need the videos to complete the collection. If you are collection PSP, you need the UMD movies to complete the collection.

UMD movies are just like GBA video, they are released for the gaming system and the gaming system only. Henceforth, they should be included.

That's the best argument I've read for keeping them in. If and when a stand-alone UMD player is released, the option of keeping them in Wire should be revisited. Until then, they should stay.

[suppafly]

I voted No. I dont care about movies, I care about game! ;)

[Captain Wrong]

Exactly, it's just like the GBA videos. If you are collecting GBA, you need the videos to complete the collection. If you are collection PSP, you need the UMD movies to complete the collection.

UMD movies are just like GBA video, they are released for the gaming system and the gaming system only. Henceforth, they should be included.

That's the best argument I've read for keeping them in. If and when a stand-alone UMD player is released, the option of keeping them in Wire should be revisited. Until then, they should stay.

I agree.

[Jasoco]

....also, are they even releasing US Laserdiscs anymore...I thought that whole thing died out a while agoI know that they were still around in 2000 as Episode I is on DVD, so it wasn't that long ago.

[tholly]

....also, are they even releasing US Laserdiscs anymore...I thought that whole thing died out a while agoI know that they were still around in 2000 as Episode I is on DVD, so it wasn't that long ago.


i was under the impression that Episode I was a japanese only release.....and, the wire being a US release list, this type of release would not apply / be covered

[Jasoco]

....also, are they even releasing US Laserdiscs anymore...I thought that whole thing died out a while agoI know that they were still around in 2000 as Episode I is on DVD, so it wasn't that long ago.


i was under the impression that Episode I was a japanese only release.....and, the wire being a US release list, this type of release would not apply / be coveredI was just mentioning that LaserDisc's were at least still being made in 2000. Nevermind the country. Not sure when the last US release was though.

[DeputyMoniker]

QUESTION

Just out of curiosity, how many people OWN a PSP and DON'T want the movies included?

[Sothy]

I say ya, those gameboy movies were listed right?


Did you remember to take calthaer off the mailing list, I'd really hate for him to get all upset and emotionally damaged over this.

I like it, btw, thanks!

cmosfm, laughin hard at that one bro.

[Cmosfm]

I say ya, those gameboy movies were listed right?


Did you remember to take calthaer off the mailing list, I'd really hate for him to get all upset and emotionally damaged over this.

I like it, btw, thanks!

cmosfm, laughin hard at that one bro.

Obviously he can't handle a joke, he sent me a PM that said nothing more than "Fuck You"

Lets have a slow clap for the middle schoolers up in here!

[98PaceCar]

Alright! Nice to see the UMD movies in the wire! That makes a nice concise place to get all my PSP info at once! Thanks!

Now, if you would just get rid of the PS2 section since I don't collect for that system, it would be perfect. It's just unnecessary data that I don't want to see, so nobody else should have it either.

Oh, wait. Just because I might not be interested in it doesn't mean it's useless to everybody else. I'm sorry, I forgot that everybody here collects different things and may or may not be interested in the same things I am. My bad... :roll: :roll: :roll:

[kainemaxwell]

No. They're not games so they don't need to be in the Wire.

[tholly]

No. They're not games so they don't need to be in the Wire.


well, since they are UMD format, what happens if some movie that has a tie in game decides to put a demo of the game on the UMD movie disc.....then what....its technically a Movie / Demo Disc....and gamers collect demo discs

[Jasoco]

They're exclusive to the PSP like the GBA Video, so they do need to be in the Wire.

[DeputyMoniker]

QUESTION

Just out of curiosity, how many people OWN a PSP and DON'T want the movies included?

Anybody?

[calthaer]

Obviously he can't handle a joke, he sent me a PM that said nothing more than "Fuck You"

Lets have a slow clap for the middle schoolers up in here!

Keep it in your pants, and stop trying so hard to be a jackass. Speaking of middle schoolers - you trying to start a flame war or something?

Drop your pretensions.

[Jasoco]

Seems to me a jackass would be the one who PM's an FU to someone just because their opinion differs.

Oohh...

[Sothy]

someone get the soothing lotion cuz that was a buuuurn

[Daria]

I vote yes.

UMD's are going to be a LIMITED release, people. I asked my friendly manager at EB for a list of them, and only about seven movies are planned right now for UMD format, one of them the FF7 movie. Not many are going to be coming out, hence, no big hassle to throw them into the DP wire. I'd list them with the PSP releases and say (MOVIE) at the end of it.

Agreed. They're like the GBA videos.

And... wow. I'd buy the FF7 movie. Just because it IS gaming related. Otherwise have no interest in the videos myself. Then again I don't know anything about them, guess that's where the wire would come into play wouldn't it? (:

[Jasoco]

No, calthaer, I will not read your PM.

[Kroogah]

*slaps Jasoco, Cmos and calthaer across the faces in a row*

Spread ouuuuuuuuuuuut.

[98PaceCar]

What is the big deal with this? So it adds a few extra entries to an email. Whoop-de-doo. If you are that hard up for bandwidth maybe surfing the net should be the last thing you do. God forbid someone else should benefit from something that doesn't benefit you.. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Jasoco]

I dunno. Apparently a UMD movie must have killed his family because he seems hell bent on keeping them out.

[98PaceCar]

I dunno. Apparently a UMD movie must have killed his family because he seems hell bent on keeping them out.

LOL

That's great! I'm having flashbacks to the Princess Bride now...

"Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. A UMD Movie killed my father: prepare to die."

LOL

[calthaer]

No, calthaer, I will not read your PM.

Man! And I had crafted a really good one for you, too. It was poetic, even.

Regardless, I think you'll find that, if you read this thread, I don't necessarily disagree with C's opinion, whatever it may be (and I honestly don't know), and that's not what precipitated a PM.

He's just baiting, and sometimes it's so fun to snap at it!

[Jasoco]

Alright, you spoony bard, I'll read your PM. (BTW, I don't even know what a "spoony bard" is.)

[Stark]

Why even have a poll (vote) if you are not going to pay attention to it?

The majority says no to movies in a gaming wire so you put them in anyways.
Next time do it first then have a poll as it would make more sense.

Lets have a poll about having pointless polls next!

[petewhitley]

Why even have a poll (vote) if you are not going to pay attention to it?

The majority says no to movies in a gaming wire so you put them in anyways.
Next time do it first then have a poll as it would make more sense.

Lets have a poll about having pointless polls next!

The majority also voted for Bush.

[motley6]

I think UMD Movies and GBA movies should be added. Laserdiscs and DVD's don't count because they are separate media with no direct connection to video games.

I would also like to add the fact that CD-i Movies should be added and catalogged as well. I would have no problem helping Joe out with that.

[DeputyMoniker]

I think UMD Movies and GBA movies should be added. Laserdiscs and DVD's don't count because they are separate media with no direct connection to video games.

I would also like to add the fact that CD-i Movies should be added and catalogged as well. I would have no problem helping Joe out with that.

Are you talking about The DP Wire (http://www.digitpress.com/mailform.htm)?

[Griking]

Obviously he can't handle a joke, he sent me a PM that said nothing more than "Fuck You"

Lets have a slow clap for the middle schoolers up in here!

At least he's keeping the personal war in private messages where it belongs. :roll:

[Griking]

Why even have a poll (vote) if you are not going to pay attention to it?

The majority says no to movies in a gaming wire so you put them in anyways.
Next time do it first then have a poll as it would make more sense.

Lets have a poll about having pointless polls next!

You were wondering about that too huh?

[tholly]

Why even have a poll (vote) if you are not going to pay attention to it?

The majority says no to movies in a gaming wire so you put them in anyways.
Next time do it first then have a poll as it would make more sense.

Lets have a poll about having pointless polls next!

You were wondering about that too huh?


i dont think it was so much a matter of majority, but rather a matter of will it help a good bunch of people

and, with the yes votes and some of the comments here, it obviously helps some people.....and 5 or 6 lines of text dont take that much extra scrolling

one or two extra turns of your mouse wheel...not that bad at all, especially if it can benefit some people of the DP community

[Griking]

I understand your point, its just that I thought that there's always been a"game only" attitude around here. The DP guide doesn't cover non games, the online rarity guide doesn't cover non games and in all honesty, even if the movies can only be played on a PS they aren't games. I only objected to keep everything uniform. I don't have or plan to get a PSP any time soon and probably would just skip over that part of the Wire anyways.

[Nature Boy]

Why even have a poll (vote) if you are not going to pay attention to it?

The majority says no to movies in a gaming wire so you put them in anyways.
Next time do it first then have a poll as it would make more sense.

Lets have a poll about having pointless polls next!

You were wondering about that too huh?

Me too dammit! I voted No and I *demand* you remove the movies from my copy of the DP wire! I nearly *sprained* my *wrist* scrolling past it recently, and my wrist is my livlihood dammit! You bunch of commies you! Go back to Russia!!!

[kainemaxwell]

Keep it in your pants, and stop trying so hard to be a jackass. Speaking of middle schoolers - you trying to start a flame war or something?

Drop your pretensions.

Do us a favor please: Grow up!
Love, Kaine.

[Cmosfm]

Obviously he can't handle a joke, he sent me a PM that said nothing more than "Fuck You"

Lets have a slow clap for the middle schoolers up in here!

At least he's keeping the personal war in private messages where it belongs. :roll:

I particulary don't like being PM'd vulgar messages over a joking comment.

I think we should be able to report these kind of things to an administrator, otherwise, might as well bring it out in the open so everyone else can see how much of a jackass certain members can be.

And I don't have a thing against calthaer, nor you Griking.

And I'm not responding to any more of your PM's calthaer, so stop sending them.