Green-Ray DVDs

[PC-Famicom64]

Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are goin to be one format call'd Green-ray,If you think I'm Lieing go http://www.blu-ray.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=334 Heer. ;)

[Jasoco]

Translation: Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are going to be one format called Green-Ray. If you think I'm Lying, go Here (http://www.blu-ray.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=334).

Frankly, I think the whole thing is stupid. DVD's are practically new. We don't need a replacement yet!

[Jorpho]

They never use the phrase "green ray" in that thread. (A green laser would rather defeat the purpose, since green has a longer wavelength than blue.)

[PC-Famicom64]

They never use the phrase "green ray" in that thread. (A green laser would rather defeat the purpose, since green has a longer wavelength than blue.)Someone fome Nintendo's Fourms say'd that as well. ^_^

[scooterb23]

I think they put on a great live show...and can't wait to see a Green Day DVD...

huh...wha??

Oh.

Come on now, who didn't see that post coming? :P

The thing I always worry about when a new format is coming...what older, more obscure, but still classic works, am I going to lose because they'll never bring it to the new format. Or they'll do it before it's accepted and I'll never see it once I'm able to buy the new technology.

/me looks at pictures Traveling Wilbury and Bob Geldof CD and MST3K the Movie DVDs and sighs...

[Jorpho]

I've said it before... If people are so desperate for a minor improvement in picture quality that they would actually willing to buy everything all over again after buying it on DVD, then no one would be downloading the quality-downgraded movies available on P2P today.

The one way this might work is if they started releasing all those box sets on single discs. For lower prices.

[Iron Draggon]

I say let the MPAA do the same thing the RIAA did, drown us all in too much crap that costs too much, and suffer a crash when nobody wants to buy it all anymore... Just like the videogame industry did back in the 80's. Maybe then the people who perpetuate these endless cycles of new crap every other year will learn to pick one turd and stick with it long enough for it to catch on, like Sony did with the PlayStation. They proved that a console can last for 10 years, twice as long as the average 5 year life expectancy, and that a backward compatible upgrade will spur more sales than incompatibility.

Besides, this is really only happening because the few early adopters of HDTV who can afford to buy expensive new crap as soon as it comes out started complaining that their DVD's look like crap on their HDTV's. They're nitpicking over it like it's absolutely unbearable, when in reality the difference is only noticeable if you have an HDTV, and even then it's still barely noticeable.

But, anytime there's a small group of rich people with a bunch of money burning holes in their pockets, the rest of the world who can't afford it will get stuff like this thrust upon them. All the rich folks will run out and buy it, and when they stop buying it, they'll lower the price to make it affordable for the middle class. Then when they stop buying it, they'll lower the price again to make it affordable for poor people, and by that time the newest piece of crap will be out at an ungodly high price so all the rich folks have something to buy again, and brag about having something that none of the poor people can afford. Poor people are the great inspiration of the market. Once it's finally in their hands because they can afford it too, the rich people start bitching about the poor people having the same thing they paid out the nose for, so an expensive new toy is made for the rich to appease them.

Seriously, XBOX2 is probably only coming out this year because all the rappers are bored with XBOX and PS2, and Sony doesn't understand the throwaway mentality of our society as well as Microsoft does. The succesful players in any consumer oriented industry will cater to the rich, keeping them supplied with ever more expensive new gadgets, and pass them down the tiers to the poor as the rich get bored with them. It's the American way. Companies don't care what the poor want, they care what the rich want. And the only reason why the middle class has any clout at all is because there's far more of them than there are in any of the other classes. But all of the middle class bitching about no need for this or that won't stop it from being produced, because the rich will still buy it all regardless. That's why stuff like Sony's Betamax VCR's were so popular for so long before VHS finally killed them off.

And that was a case of the sheer numbers of the middle class preferring VHS over the older and more established Beta format, even after Beta became affordable to them. So if you really think that a new DVD technology is truly unecessary, just refuse to buy it, even when you can afford it, and keep buying new DVD's instead. Eventually the new format will go the way of RCA's laserdiscs, even if it is a superior format. But if you just can't wait to buy it as soon as it comes out at an affordable price to you, you'll get exactly what you voted for, yet another new format to replace it in a few years.

What sucks the most is when nobody is buying the old stuff anymore, and they have to come up with a new way to sell the same thing again. That's why we have HDTV. There was no other way to charge obscene amounts of money for "just a TV" anymore, because everybody already has several. But the new format makes it possible for them to start the entire cycle all over again. Now eventually everybody will have to buy several HDTV's to replace all their old regular TV's with. The same thing happened when TV went from black & white to color, and when big screen projection TV's came out, and when plasma screens came out. It's all the same tired old story, recycle the exact same thing over and over again, while slightly improving it each time it's recycled. The same thing even happens with computers, they knew exactly what they were doing, trickling out all the different speeds of Pentium, Pentium 2, Pentium 3, and Pentium 4 to the masses. And what's the latest PC thing now? Time to move on from 32BIT processors to 64BIT processors! Hey, while we're at it, let's do away with AGP and change PCI to PCI Express! Soon we'll have new 512MB video cards for $500 a pop, etc...

[The Manimal]

Translation: Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are going to be one format called Green-Ray. If you think I'm Lying, go Here (http://www.blu-ray.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=334).

Frankly, I think the whole thing is stupid. DVD's are practically new. We don't need a replacement yet!


DVDs are like what, 10 years old? That doesn't count as new. Also, High Definition has been around for 15 years or so and yet DVD (which was created years later) wasn't even remotely close to taking advantage of it. DVD's IMHO are just barely better than LaserDisc and that was a product of the late 70s!

[Jorpho]

If nothing else, they are at least much smaller and more portable than LDs.

[The Manimal]

true, but size doesn't matter. i'd take a larger disc if it played better :)

[kainemaxwell]

Who cares?? be happy with what you GOT.

[Cryomancer]

I want a laserdisc burner. And a 100 stack of blank LDs. And a forklift to bring it home with. ;)

...accually that would rule a lot.

[yuppicide]

Really I think DVD's are not that new, have been out too long and need to be updated. I'm tired of buying a whole season of a TV show on 4 or 5 discs and would like to see that less and be able to fit more info and more extras.


Translation: Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are going to be one format called Green-Ray. If you think I'm Lying, go Here (http://www.blu-ray.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=334).

Frankly, I think the whole thing is stupid. DVD's are practically new. We don't need a replacement yet!

[Jasoco]

VHS was around since the early 80's. DVD's only been popular for a few years now. It's too damn early.

[Uzi 9mm]

VHS was around since the early 80's. DVD's only been popular for a few years now. It's too damn early.

I agree with Jasoco. Although DVD's aren't new, they are now a replacement for VHS.

[ozyr]

It's not that DVDs are new or not, it's the simple fact that HD TV is coming soon, and the current format doesn't work with it (at least not with a good picture). If you don't want the new format, don't buy it. Myself, I'll have a mix of both...

[FurinkanianFrood]

DVD's don't need to be replaced. Vinyl records are old and they still sound much better than CD's under certain conditions.

More crap to give tech-illiterate people something to wet their pants.

What is new? Jack @#$%, is what. It's all just iterations of the same junk. Computers, DVD's, everything.

And the whole downloading thing is just stupid.

It's just more yuppie crap thrust upon us, like Iron Draggon said.
This crap ain't gonna end until one of it's iterations fails. Personally I think it could (note: could) be this one, but who knows. It could go on for some time unfortunately. If the blue lasers are successful, just wait for the pointlessness of indigo and violet. Then lets rip people off using the invisible wavelengths that lie beyond! Whee!

This is freakin' ridiculous. Waste of money. Over priced, pointless junk (like a certain recent portable BTW).

As far as this relates to games, Sony is awfully fond of thrusting this kind of thing onto the market through consoles it seems.

Given issues regarding cost and rollout of content, the PS3 may have some issues with regards to sales. Too early = $400 price point for a feature few are looking for. Too late = MSoft will get a lead and run with it, not to mention targeted price drops and throwing money at developers.

There aren't enough rich people to pull off something like the PS3 and maintain the kind of market lead Sony has had.

Even if there is, some developers might think there isn't, which would have a similiar result.

HDTV's are an expensive waste. I know they have been around a long time but I don't buy a TV until another one breaks, so the yuppie serving industry can go to....

If you can afford one go ahead, but if people are gonna whine about that kind of thing, I'm glad I'm at a safe distance playing Saturn games on a 20 year old RGB.

Also, they can call it Green-ray if they want. It's not like anyone will stop them, not that it isn't nonsensical and all....

[XxMe2NiKxX]

Blu-Ray/Whatever the hell the other one is called doesn't need to be a popular media replacement, it can be simply a method used for gaming. It shouldn't be discouraged for doing just that, as it would allow a much larger capacity (and, therefore, better games).

[Jasoco]

It shouldn't be discouraged for doing just that, as it would allow a much larger capacity (and, therefore, better games).Not necessarily. EA still does have a license to make games..

Ooohhh!! BURN!!! I burned EA good! :evil:

[FurinkanianFrood]

much larger capacity (and, therefore, better games).

Larger capacity doesn't lead to better games. Better design and programming leads to better games.

The increases in technology at this point are not really anything but a marketing tool. They are inconsequential as far as real quality is concerned.

Do you really think that if the PS3 is $400 dollars because of Blu-ray that it will be a benefit to Sony. Like hell if any launch titles will use that space for anything worth a damn. And do we want games or innovative movies for crissakes!? The vidgame industry is mass-market. A $400 system can't lead the market. If they sell it for $300 they may still get trounced by MSoft for many other reasons.

I'm not owned by MSoft by the way, I haven't used Windows on home pc's for many years. I don't buy PC software. Free software is more than sufficient for the tech-literate.

Reality check people: the PS2 isn't more powerful than the DC as far as games are concerned. The hype has simply molded the perceptions of the weak minded.

If you really think that the increase in capacity between DVD's and Blu-ray is useful you are just buying into their nonsensical propaganda.

All the froo-froo cinematics in the world can't make up for bad games. They are nice, but they have lead to a heavy emphasis on flash over substance. Sony is the main party responsible for the flashy junk trend in videogames the recent era.

The Saturn was more powerful than PS also BTW, it was just hard to program. If people had played half the Saturn games I've played.... They wouldn't care, because they are tasteless slaves to trash/pop culture. Useless technology and moral decay is what excites the masses.

Give us games, not crap!

[Mangar]

Just to add a little bit of reality into this HDTV Bitch fest....

HDTV is not a 'minor' improvement/upgrade to DVD. It's a HUGE improvement. I own an HDTV Set(61inch Samsung DLP model) and DVD's simply look horrible on it. The quality difference between DVD and HDTV is highly visible, and you actually cherish the days when a good movie is playing on one of the few available High Definition channels. It's not some minor issue.

Watching a movie in high definition is nothing short of amazing. Love the technology.

[FurinkanianFrood]

Watching a movie in high definition is nothing short of amazing. Love the technology.

It's still a waste of money. I know that the increase in resolution is a major one.
I just don't understand why people care.

It's your money. I'll buy it when stuff stops coming out on DVD. It's the same movies, so who cares. It's the content that matters. Substance is much more important than flash. Most of the decent movies in existence are too old for this to matter. No amount of remastering will change that. Popular movies these days are hollow junk. Again, Sony is connected to this (Spiderman for instance).

Give us real movies, not crap!

Increase in picture quality does not mean increase in overall quality. It's really a matter of bragging about new neo-yuppie crap.

Early adoption is usually quite silly consumer behaviour.

I'm done wasting my time screaming at those who don't get the point.

Also, do you realize how patently offensive that website you have that link to is Mangar? It's not funny. Not in the least. I haven't the words for someone like you.

I didn't notice it until just after I fiinished the rest of this post.

Note to mods: this person needs to be off DP.

We don't need anti-semitic racist scum like Mangar here. Read that site if you don't believe me.

[FurinkanianFrood]

Accidental double post. Sorry folks.

[Gamefaqs]

rofl that site is stupid... racists...

basically i think that no one needs to get new media forms yet, im still happy with vhs and dvd RORFL!!!!!

heck i still use laster disks

[Jasoco]

http://www.jasoco.net/data/files/images/derail.jpg

Please get back on topic. :(

[FurinkanianFrood]

Please get back on topic.

Yes. Definitely. But to be fair, I didn't wreck this one.
Something that vile needs to be dealt with publicly to discourage future incidents. I'm not going to run away like a coward by hiding myself from someone who lacks standards.

Regardless, I don't think the market is ready for a new DVD format. It may appear that it is in more affluent and/or trendy parts of the US but that's not where the majority of the population lives.

The whole post on HDDVD is BS. It's speculation that has little to do with the exec's actual comments.

Vague comments....

Personally I hope that Blu-ray stumbles but eventually wins out. Basically the PS3 would be hurt by Sony's hubris and the cost/pointlessness of Blu-ray would keep it out of the mainstream for a while.

A lot of older folks only got on the DVD bandwagon in the last few years.

I don't personally know a single person who owns an HDTV anyway, and I know a decent number of people. There ain't enough rich people to support the thing. And I live and work within a couple miles of the wealthiest county in the US.

I could be wrong though. My own sensibilities tend to contradict whatever is popular. I still refuse to get a cell phone until someone makes me. At least those are quite useful (if incredibly irritating and unnecessary).

Sony's products are often poorly engineered, and the Blu-ray seems like it will invite more trouble.

Most are unreliable and weak performance wise. I've seen way too many awful speakers.

The brand name blinds many. And it's not their fault. Thought and thus reputation molds perception. Some Sony products are nice, but it's a crapshoot.

Sony should just wait a while. That way DVD's will have had more time on the market, blue lasers will be afforable, and if they wait long enough they can go to frickin' violet. Talk about insane storage. Terabyte level stuff is where it's at dammit.

They've gone to plaid!!

[Mangar]

Yes. Definitely. But to be fair, I didn't wreck this one.
Something that vile needs to be dealt with publicly to discourage future incidents. I'm not going to run away like a coward by hiding myself from someone who lacks standards.

Oh come now. You are acting like some self-righteous hero because you clicked a web link in my sig, didn't like what you saw, and felt that whining and crying about it in a HD/DVD thread was of the utmost importance. People being offended by a certain brand of humour isn't an incident. People attempting to quash, ban, or burn the offending text is. :) Don't like it, don't visit. Simple as that really. (For the record, it's an MMORPG site with a penchant for parody and humour. Not for everyone to be sure)



It's still a waste of money. I know that the increase in resolution is a major one.

What constitutes a waste of money is purely dependant on the individual. I consider the PSP a waste of money. 250$ for a 2.5 inch screen, which is inferior to a 99$ PS2 makes little sense to me. Yet millions disagree. It's an opinion. Not a statement of fact. After owning an HD set, i could never go back to regular. The visuals are simply stunning, and it adds a whole new dimension to Home Theatre and watching a movie. Same goes for videogames.


Regardless, I don't think the market is ready for a new DVD format.

Regardless - Your still getting one. I'd also state that the market is quite ready for it. The bottom line here, is that the DVD format is now outdated. People who own High Definition televisions want to watch movies in High Definition. It's why they bought one. The current DVD format does not allow his, and as such a new format is neccesary to allow the owners to take advantage of technology which has been being sold to the average consumer for the past 3-4 years. Myself being one of them.

From a pure consumer standpoint, the market can easily support the new format if it's marketed properly. The only thing which would prevent the players, and movies in the new format from being a huge success is if the studios actually go through with some rumoured plans. Like not allowing analog outputs on the players themselves. (Which would alienate well over 50% of the current installed base) Barring that, the built-in consumer demand is already there. Simply look at the numbers of HD sets sold, the analysts projections on how many more will be sold this fall - And do the math. People who own HD sets will buy whatever will allow them to view movies that take advantage of the technology they already own. It's why every major cable company and satellite operator is clamoring to add more HD content. (Direc-TV plans to launch a new satellite solely for new HD programming very soon) The market is simply responding to consumer demand.

[calthaer]

It shouldn't be discouraged for doing just that, as it would allow a much larger capacity (and, therefore, better games).Not necessarily. EA still does have a license to make games.

Mad props for this one, says I. Less swill and more quality.

But at any rate - you have to admit that HDTV is a vast improvement over the standard TV set. Of course, I play a lot of PC games, too, and man - the difference between 640x480 and 1024x768 is really noticeable, and 400x320 (or whatever TVs are) to high-res is simply night and day.

The green DVD is sort of ridiculous, and I agree - nobody needs that minor incremental improvement. But man, I want one of those hi-def TVs for awesome gaming action.

[Jasoco]

Prediction: "DID YOU SEE THE NEW MADDEN 2009?? YOU CAN COUNT THE VEINS IN JOHN MADDEN'S FOREHEAD IT'S SO REAL!!! LOL!!!!"

[XxMe2NiKxX]

Speaking of PC's, what are PC owners going to do if we get into the fashion of minor incriments in multimedia format? Recall to when DVD-ROM drivess had just came out - They were pricey and involved removal, uninstallation, insertion, and installation, as well as you'd have to have a compatible PC. I don't want to have to do that every year, the hardware issues would begin to pile up.