Emulation on PSP gets one step closer...

[Jasoco]

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000020042836/

Japanese Firmware 1.00 only. But it's a start. :)

Here's hoping eventually I can dump a bunch of NES ROM's on my PSP. Heaven. Even a US version of the GB Emulator would be good.

[slip81]

I figured that this would happen eventually given the fact that the system uses a memory stick.

Very cool though, can't wait till they make it full screen, that's when I'll be buying a PSP :)

[shvnsth]

sure thats just not a photo put onto the psp of a screenshot someone downloaded on the internet?

[culltyler]

Somehow, someway, Nintendo would be on that like stink on shit. I have no problems with playing roms on a computer with a dinky ass USB controller, but to go through these processes shows some sort of messed up dependency cunundrum thats equivalent to shooting up speed instead of snorting it.

[Jasoco]

sure thats just not a photo put onto the psp of a screenshot someone downloaded on the internet?http://forums.ps2dev.org/viewtopic.php?t=1648

[GaijinPunch]

Unfortunately, the PSP cannot display true low res graphics, so unless the emulator authors are VERY thoughtful and include some filters...namely scanlines to offset crappy scaling, the games will look like crap. Then again, there are people here that like playing the 16-bit games on a LCDs. X_x

[Jasoco]

[Raises hand]

I like playing my old games on non-filtered emulators. I actually LIKE the pixellated look of the graphics. It's the same reason so many people like the older first generation NES boxes. Pixel Art Kicks Ass!

Plus, I'd MUCH rather play SMB at full size on a PSP than squished on the GBA. Bring it on, hackers. Just don't publicize it so much until you finish it. Give Nintendo less time to react. Once I have my copy of the emulator, then you can tell Nintendo. 8-)

[GaijinPunch]

Pixel Art Kicks Ass!

It's still pixel art w/ scanlines and in low-res... and looks more original as well.

[Jasoco]

No. No scan lines! I don't want them. Sure, they look nice. But as long as I can turn them off, I'm happy.

Scan lines only work well when you have the video at 2x or more. The PSP would only be able to hold the NES video at 1x unstretched. That would not look good IMHO.

[InsaneDavid]

No. No scan lines! I don't want them. Sure, they look nice. But as long as I can turn them off, I'm happy.

Scan lines only work well when you have the video at 2x or more. The PSP would only be able to hold the NES video at 1x unstretched. That would not look good IMHO.

Here here! I can't stand scanlines on emulated displays. I get crap about it all the time with MAME - "it looks more realistic!" yeah, but only if you're using smoked plexy and very few games (compared to the entire MAME romset) used them.


Plus, I'd MUCH rather play SMB at full size on a PSP than squished on the GBA. Bring it on, hackers. Just don't publicize it so much until you finish it. Give Nintendo less time to react. Once I have my copy of the emulator, then you can tell Nintendo. 8-)

That dissapointed me too - I'd take windowed NES emulation on the GBA over squished screen or sized beyond the viewable area anytime. Really though the big N pretty much has no say. The legalality issues come down to the NES roms themselves which have been around for nearly a over a decade now. Just means more duplication turnout work (cost of shipping only of course) for those who have the 10,000+ NES romset.

...............which I don't have nor know of anyone that does. :)

[GaijinPunch]

Scan lines only work well when you have the video at 2x or more. The PSP would only be able to hold the NES video at 1x unstretched. That would not look good IMHO.

I'd say you could fit two of those on the screen.
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3508506638438251.JPG


I get crap about it all the time with MAME - "it looks more realistic!"

Well, at least the people you run w/ know what they're talking about.



yeah, but only if you're using smoked plexy and very few games (compared to the entire MAME romset) used them.

Yeah, only a few... like almost all of them? What games that run in Mame aren't run in low res?

[Anthony1]

At some point if we can play SNES, Genesis and TG-16 games at full speed on the PSP, that will be a dream come true.

[GaijinPunch]

At some point if we can play SNES, Genesis and TG-16 games at full speed on the PSP, that will be a dream come true.

Just a note -- you have lots of dreams, don't you? 36 on these forums to be exact. ;)

[InsaneDavid]

*sniffs around* Hmmm... I smell something burning... oh, I know - must be all the barely underplayed flaming going on in this thread. :roll:

[Jasoco]

Scan lines only work well when you have the video at 2x or more. The PSP would only be able to hold the NES video at 1x unstretched. That would not look good IMHO.

I'd say you could fit two of those on the screen.
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3508506638438251.JPGYou're mistaken. I'm talking about the NES. Whose resolution is 256x240. The PSP is 480x272. A Game Boy, sure, you can stretch that. But an NES, no. No way. Not vertically at least. It'll be just small enough to fit the PSP screen.

Also, to stretch a Game Boy image, you'd need 288 pixels high. The PSP would have to crop it.

No, I think an NES emulator would fit perfectly on the PSP.

http://www.jasoco.net/data/files/images/temp/smb-psp.gif

http://www.jasoco.net/data/files/images/temp/smb-psp2.jpg

It is to dream. :D

[InsaneDavid]

http://www.jasoco.net/data/files/images/temp/smb-psp2.jpg

It is to dream. :D

It could be offset to one side and give room for a quick back and forth game / gamelist toggle in the margin accessable with the L / R buttons. A nice NES frontend. LOL

[boatofcar]

http://www.jasoco.net/data/files/images/temp/smb-psp2.jpg



:shivers:




If only....

[GaijinPunch]

What type of game is playing in the original picture?

EDIT: I got it. Non-interlaced...

[segagamer4life]

now if we can get saturn emulation.. that would be freaakin sweeeeeet :D :D :D

[GaijinPunch]

now if we can get saturn emulation.. that would be freaakin sweeeeeet :D :D :D

I'd settle for good Saturn emulation on the PC.

[Jasoco]

What type of game is playing in the original picture?

EDIT: I got it. Non-interlaced...
Yeah, I'd much rather be looking at a non-edited, non-interlaced picture if it's going to be 1x size.

http://www.jasoco.net/data/files/images/temp/smb-noninter.jpg http://www.jasoco.net/data/files/images/temp/smb-interlaced.jpg
I'd much rather have the left over the right. If it was 2x size, maybe, but 1x, give me plain old unedited video.

But as a note to the creators, put in whatever filters you want. Just make sure there's a plain option.

The way I picture it would work. Either the L, R or Select button would bring up a menu of options. Obviously the Square and X button would be B and A respectively with options to use other buttons. Maybe Select could be a menu and L or R could toggle between "blitters". Or better yet, load and save Freeze states. Yes!

[unbroken]

who gives a shit about scan lines? id settle for a working emulator with sound!

[Jasoco]

who gives a shit about scan lines? id settle for a working emulator with sound!Now you're on the trolley!

Even without sound, as long as it worked full speed.

I just want to play my NES games on the go without one of those oversized GBA add-ons that only work with Famicom games or very flimsy NES adapters.

Where's Ben Heckendorn (http://www.benheck.com/) when you need him?

[Kuros]

Frankly, I'm not surprised that there are already emulators coming out for the PSP. Kinda makes me wish I had one, but I'll settle with emulators and roms on my computer to play games I don't have just yet.

They do look pretty cool though, not only you have a sexy machine that can play the newest games, but it can also play the classics? Everyone wins! 8-)

[Sebastian]

not to go off topic but at this point how is the emulation of older machines on new handhelds?

We are talking about PSP...whatsup with N-Gage?
are the games running at full speed? is the emulation good quality? what systems are supported?

and if n-gage does all that ...why buy a PSP?

[Jasoco]

Because N-Gage umm.. how do I put this.. it sucks? Yeah, that's it. Also, the screen? It's small. LOOK HOW MUCH SCREEN YOU GET WITH THE PSP! N-Gage.. I can't stress how much it sucks.

Anyways. I wouldn't want emulation on any other modern handheld. The PSP just has the right stuff. Huge screen. Processing power.

[GaijinPunch]

who gives a shit about scan lines? id settle for a working emulator with sound!Now you're on the trolley

Not to get off topic, but I'd rather have some better PSP games to be honest. Was really not impressed w/ the the JPN or what I saw of the US lineup. :( Until that happens, I won't have a reason to buy one, to try out emulators. :)

[InsaneDavid]

not to go off topic but at this point how is the emulation of older machines on new handhelds?

We are talking about PSP...whatsup with N-Gage?
are the games running at full speed? is the emulation good quality? what systems are supported?

and if n-gage does all that ...why buy a PSP?

Because the N-Gage freaking sucks dude, but Jasoco beat me too that - however I wanted to make a second note incase it was missed. LOL

[Jasoco]

I just want to add the N-Gage's resolution is a piddly little 176 x 208! That's not even enough to fit an NES game on there let alone a vertical arcade game without squishing. Why would I even prefer a PSP over an N-Gage? There's your answer. I do not need a phone, and if I did, I sure as hell wouldn't want the fugly monstrosity that is the N-Gage/QD. Tiny screen be gone! Give me a PSP.

Even the GBA is 240 x 160. The DS, two 256x192 screens. Whoo, why not go lower and get an N-Gage? Why not?

Because I'm bored, here's a display size comparison with a screenshot of SMB again for reference.

Yellow: PSP
Blue: GBA
Green: DS (One display, I debated adding the second above it but decided you get the idea.)
Red: N-Gage
http://www.jasoco.net/data/files/images/temp/port-disp-comp.png

[PS2Hawk]

well sooner or later the emulation is going to kick start as they play aroudn with the US 1.5 firmware. I am just waiting for some other emulators but SNES & Genesis emulators are more than enough.

[-hellvin-]

Hmmm...I was gonna pick up a PSP pretty soon because I was sure there was already emulation working for it but I guess I'll just grab a gba flashcart instead. Should give me something to do while flying out for vacation.

[Zadoc]

Doesn't the GP32 have an emulator for GBA, NES, Genesis, and SNES?

[SoulBlazer]

The PSP does ENOUGH things NOW to make it worth a purchase -- you can play games, watch movies in UMD format, download video clips and movies and watch them, use it as a MP3 player, and soon you can browse the web.

Emulation would just be a bonus. :)

[Jasoco]

Damn you, Sony! GRR!!!

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000930043246/

[InsaneDavid]

Damn you, Sony! GRR!!!

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000930043246/

They'll get around it sooner or later. Updates = leaks. There have been many harder nuts to crack in the world of emulation.

[Jasoco]

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000540043457/
http://www.psphacker.com/2005/05/nintendo-emulator-infones-v094j-for.html#comments

Sheesh! If true, which it looks to be as there's a link, wow.

When I first saw the headline, I half expected to find my fake mockup posted. I coulda been a rumor starter!!! LOL

Then there's the supposed SNES one.
http://www.psphacker.com/2005/05/snes9x-for-psp.html

Still 1.0 only. They really need to crack through that wall. It's so close I can feel it!

[Richter Belmount]

snes on psp :love: cant wait till that comes along.

[Damion]

I've been holding off on buying a big Duo stick. But if this comes true I'm getting one tomarrow :D

[zektor]

PSP Emulation is all I have been doing lately! :) A quick rundown:

Turbografx 16 - PERFECT!
NES - PERFECT!
Gameboy - PERFECT!
SMS and Game Gear - Near perfect, full speed, sound is kind of raspy
SNES - at 333mhz and a FS of 2, darn near perfect on most games
Genesis - Full speed, but very preliminary sound
Neogeo CD - Full speed, no sound...some games are very glitchy
Neogeo Pocket - Slow as hell, no sound.

So far, this is what I have tried. As stated, the emulators I said were perfect are ones that I have no encountered a rom that would not load, no slowdown, full complete sound. The TG16 emulator is currently my favorite, because I loved that system and the emulation is so darn good...my PSP might as well be a Turbo Express with a better screen. I played Military Madness tonight for 2 hours. Needless to say, I am VERY pleased with the PSP's emulation. Easily the best handheld emulation I have ever experienced...with the Zodiac now 2nd on that list.

Also, I forgot to add, these are not limited to v1.0 Japanese PSP's anymore. This has probably been posted before here somewhere, but there is a swap method if you have two memory sticks and a v1.50 system software USA PSP....which I'm sure most do unless you updated. If you did, sorry, won't work unfortunately.

[Anthony1]

PSP Emulation is all I have been doing lately! :) A quick rundown:

Turbografx 16 - PERFECT!
NES - PERFECT!
Gameboy - PERFECT!
SMS and Game Gear - Near perfect, full speed, sound is kind of raspy
SNES - at 333mhz and a FS of 2, darn near perfect on most games
Genesis - Full speed, but very preliminary sound
Neogeo CD - Full speed, no sound...some games are very glitchy
Neogeo Pocket - Slow as hell, no sound.

So far, this is what I have tried. As stated, the emulators I said were perfect are ones that I have no encountered a rom that would not load, no slowdown, full complete sound. The TG16 emulator is currently my favorite, because I loved that system and the emulation is so darn good...my PSP might as well be a Turbo Express with a better screen. I played Military Madness tonight for 2 hours. Needless to say, I am VERY pleased with the PSP's emulation. Easily the best handheld emulation I have ever experienced...with the Zodiac now 2nd on that list.

Also, I forgot to add, these are not limited to v1.0 Japanese PSP's anymore. This has probably been posted before here somewhere, but there is a swap method if you have two memory sticks and a v1.50 system software USA PSP....which I'm sure most do unless you updated. If you did, sorry, won't work unfortunately.




Wow, this sounds awesome. But exactly how does all this work? I don't have a PSP right now, but this is making me seriously consider getting one. If I can play all the great TG-16 games on this, and everything runs full speed, and the sound is good, then that would be the clincher right there.

But how does one get this to work? I need two memory cards? How big do they have to be? How do I get the necessary emulators and roms onto it?

Man, I really want to check this out!

[zektor]

PSP Emulation is all I have been doing lately! :) A quick rundown:

Turbografx 16 - PERFECT!
NES - PERFECT!
Gameboy - PERFECT!
SMS and Game Gear - Near perfect, full speed, sound is kind of raspy
SNES - at 333mhz and a FS of 2, darn near perfect on most games
Genesis - Full speed, but very preliminary sound
Neogeo CD - Full speed, no sound...some games are very glitchy
Neogeo Pocket - Slow as hell, no sound.

So far, this is what I have tried. As stated, the emulators I said were perfect are ones that I have no encountered a rom that would not load, no slowdown, full complete sound. The TG16 emulator is currently my favorite, because I loved that system and the emulation is so darn good...my PSP might as well be a Turbo Express with a better screen. I played Military Madness tonight for 2 hours. Needless to say, I am VERY pleased with the PSP's emulation. Easily the best handheld emulation I have ever experienced...with the Zodiac now 2nd on that list.

Also, I forgot to add, these are not limited to v1.0 Japanese PSP's anymore. This has probably been posted before here somewhere, but there is a swap method if you have two memory sticks and a v1.50 system software USA PSP....which I'm sure most do unless you updated. If you did, sorry, won't work unfortunately.




Wow, this sounds awesome. But exactly how does all this work? I don't have a PSP right now, but this is making me seriously consider getting one. If I can play all the great TG-16 games on this, and everything runs full speed, and the sound is good, then that would be the clincher right there.

But how does one get this to work? I need two memory cards? How big do they have to be? How do I get the necessary emulators and roms onto it?

Man, I really want to check this out!

Well, on a v1.5 system, you have to do a memory card swap for each emulator. It does work, but I don;t like the method personally. I myself purchased a Japanese v1.0 off ebay, and the method of loading is so simple it is ridiculious. Copy the emulator file and your roms inside of the PSP's "game" folder on the memory stick, and then navigate to the emulator in the PSP's menu and hit the button. Heh. Can;t get any simpler than that. I currently have a full USA nes, snes, and tg16 set on the card...and can boot any game I like at will. This is with the v1.0 unit mind you.

With the v1.5 unit, you have to do a card swap that is kind of tricky, but it will work. I have tested it on a USA v1.5 unit, and can verify it works, but it is certainly annoying. So, either do the swap, wait for a better exploit to surface, or plunk the change down for a 1.0 machine. These are the three options. I personally chose purchasing the v1.0 unit, because to me it is now definitely worth it :)

I should add, if you buy the USA PSP value pack, it come swith a 32mb memory stick. You'll need this for your first card. Then, you get a second card...much larger preferrably. The 32 mb card will hold your basic file loader (which is only a few kb) and the other will hold your emulator and romfiles. You basically load the first stick from within the PSP, and then quickly swap it out with the second stick. Its a method to bypass the protection in the v1.5 PSP. It does work, and you'll get to play everything I do, if you can deal with swapping cards every time you want to load a different emu. On the upside, once it is loaded, it stays that way until you completely power off. So, if you put the PSP in sleep mode, when you come back you can resume your emulation goodness :)