need help with Pinball Assembly. am I missing any parts?

[vegetunks]

I just got this new pinball machine and I dont know how it geos together. I am having troubble connecting the head onto the body. none of the connectors seem to go together. is it just me or is there something I am missing to put it together?

I have a pic of it here.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/vegetunks/outside.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/vegetunks/inside.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/vegetunks/buttom2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/vegetunks/top2.jpg

[chadtower]

Erm, dude, with just that picture, you're totally SOL.

We need the title of the game and the manufacturer. What you would do is then get the manual and schematic and figure it out from there.

You really, really should have marked these connectors with a sharpie when you removed them.

[AlanD]

It's a 1979 Gottlieb Totem machine. It is a solid state machine that uses Gottlieb System 1 boards. If what you are showing in the headbox is everything you have, you are missing the circuit boards that those connectors plug in to.

I believe that any solid state Gottlieb machine from Cleopatra (1977) to Torch (1980) should use those same boards. You would most likely need to swap program roms to make it work correctly. I'm by no means a pin expert so I would ask the question about interchangability on rec.games.pinball

[chadtower]

He certainly may be missing a couple of boards, but the pic doesn't go up far enough to show us what's really up there. Looking at the backglass on ipdb, it sure does look like there should be something all the way down to the bottom of the backboard since there are VFDs down that far.

It would be nice if the pics went farther up so we could see what boards ARE there, those connectors coming from out of pic have to be on something.

[AlanD]

and a visual reference of what should be in the backbox

http://www.flippers.com/gott_system_1.html

[chadtower]

Looks like he could be missing the solenoid and lamp drivers board.

[vegetunks]

sorry about that. here is a better pic of the inner head.
And just for referance this is my first pinball machine and I got it from someone who diddnt want it. I will replace the pics above with the ones that you requested.

[vegetunks]

And if I do need boards how can I get replacements and how much $$ am I looking at?

Thx in advanvce guys.

[chadtower]

Oh holy crap you're missing every board but the power board.

Start prowling Ebay, I'm not up on prices for boards of that era. You're going to have to start with the CPU board and the solenoid/lamp driver board. Those two are definitely absent and that's why you can't find a place to hook those connectors. You could be looking at at least a couple hundred for those missing boards, and I would not be surprised if it's more.

You seem to have all of your VFDs (the score displays), so that at least is good. Take some pics of the playfield and the underside of the playfield so we can evaluate how much of that is or is not present.

How much did you pay for the machine, and where are you? If you decide not to put in the effort/cost to bring this back to life, PLEASE do not trash it...

[vegetunks]

you want the underside? shure. and as for how much I payed for it it came with my SF2 Arcade(working) I traded the guy a video camera ^^. I was soo happy. I will have to ask the gou if he has the parts laying around. he said it diddnt work. not that it was missing vital parts. :angry: I live In Edmonton Alberta and If it becomes too costly to revive this machine then I will have no otherchoice but toget rid of it, but I most deffinatly would not throw it out. I would try to find someone who would restore it. as I won't be able to sell it to someone who'd want a pinball machine to play.

[vegetunks]

I just found these Items on Ebay. would they do the trick?

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13727&item=6181502998&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13727&item=6181500382&rd=1

[chadtower]

Unknown, as they are listed as untested. The CPU board lists acid damage, too, which is caused by leaky AA batteries and can be a real problem.

Buy WORKING boards.

[vegetunks]

Oups. diddn't see the damage... anothre Q: is there certain boards I need or will any boards work from my games time period?

[chadtower]

Oups. diddn't see the damage... anothre Q: is there certain boards I need or will any boards work from my games time period?

You could probably put in any Gottlieb System 1 lamp/driver board. You could also probably put in any Gottlieb System 1 CPU board, but you'd have to swap the ROM chips to be specifically for your game or else you'd have software for some other game in your machine.

I suggest going to rec.games.pinball for the parts, they're more likely to be found there than ebay.

[vegetunks]

I think I found a place. they have the NI-WUMPF Gottlieb System 1 CPU Board. and would they have the ROM I need? ( the place you siggested)

[chadtower]

ROMs aren't that big a deal, if you post you will probably find someone who can burn some new ones for you.

[vegetunks]

ok man. thax for all the help. I think i'm geoing to try and rebuild it. see if I can't figure out how to fix all the bugs it has on the way. l8r