Nintendo VP speaks: past-gen, Nintendo-created titles free!

[Zubiac666]

www.romnation.net

OMG! They're free right now!

What? And I don't have to buy a new system to play the old games!

Wow!

Seriously, I'm still not excited, I don't see why anyone would be, and it all screams of fanboyism. Nintendo is making you purchase a new console, that at the very least is going to hit you for a $150, to play a limited selection of classic games for free that you can buy the original console and games for for less. Or, on that PC you're on right now, you can already play them for free.

What is this hold Nintendo has on you people?

dude you don't get it eh?
it IS free and it IS legal.
Nintendo offers something for free and there are still people who scream "Bah!I can play them on xbox and Pc too".

that's just sad you know.


Nintendo is making you purchase a new console, that at the very least is going to hit you for a $150, to play a limited selection of classic games for free that you can buy the original console and games for for less.

now that is just stupid.You sound like the rev JUST gives you the possibility to play free classics.The "dowload our classics for free"-service is "just" a (very)nice extra as it is the gamecube backwards thingy too.You know that there WILL be actualy revolution games too?so please....think about your senseless bashing.
Also it isn't like everybody has all the old nintendo consoles at home.Most people just have this gen system(s) at home and I'm sure that they are thankful for having the possibility to download and play all the classics on rev (legaly).Why aren't you just happy that retro-gaming might get a bit more public respect?

you don't like it? well,then don't buy it.
x_x

EDIT: Drexel923 was faster and sumed it up nicely.
good job :)

[kainemaxwell]

and who cares if no new "classic"-controllers will be released?
We already HAVE the best retro-pad:
http://image.lik-sang.com/images//large/hori-digital-controller-blue.jpg :D
I will use this for the NES and SNES(maybe even GB ?)games.

and I have no problem using the gamecube controller for N64 games.

damn I can't wait nomore
Who makes those pads? I'd love to get them once i buy a GC!!

Those controllers are made by NORI.

Actually they are made by HORI. ;)

Also, they can be found at Gamecrazy for around $15 new...definitely worth the money.

Thanks for the assist Drexel, definitly apperiate it. 8-)

[Gamereviewgod]

Yeah your right...people are seriously going to by the Revolution just for this feature

As of right now, everyone who say "The Rev is the best!!! I'm so buying one," well, that's exactly what they're doing right now. They've showed nothing but this feature and it's all we have to go on.


This whole thread is BS...all people do is bitch that Nintendo is milking their franchises by releasing old games over and over, and then they come out and say they are giving the stuff to us for free AND PEOPLE STILL COMPLAI

Of course. This is what they announced at E3. They're still doing it. They're still banking on their old games again, regardless of whether or not they're free.


This feature is an added bonus to buying the console, just as the PS2 had a DVD player built in (which people praised)

And when the PS2 was announced, we seen what the next gen had to offer too.


And I don't understand why your hating on something FREE and a BONUS FOR BUYING THE SYSTEM. If you weren't planing on buying a Revolution anyway then who cares, but for those of us that will buy it, this is a nice thing...something that WE can get excited about.

I'll be buying a Rev. I'll buy all three. I always do. We're complaining because people are so hyped up for something they can do RIGHT NOW as they're reading this. Wait until they announce something that actually has some meat on it. If it's special (like the controller could be), hey, get as hyped up as you want.

[grayrobertos]

The main thing that people need to understand that its still not out for another year, doesnt the idea of having one small system instead of 4 bigger ones hooked up appeal to anyone? It really does to me.

Also couldnt have been achieved on current cube hardware as there is no where to store the games 8-) LOL

[Drexel923]

As of right now, everyone who say "The Rev is the best!!! I'm so buying one," well, that's exactly what they're doing right now. They've showed nothing but this feature and it's all we have to go on.

Not exactly true...

Free Wifi internet
Free Nintendo back catalogue
Backwards compatable with GC
Wifi Smash Bros at launch


Of course. This is what they announced at E3. They're still doing it. They're still banking on their old games again, regardless of whether or not they're free.

Yes, they are still banking on old games...but to me it's a huge deal that its FREE. This is the #1 milking company out there, and for them to turn around and offer this for FREE is a revolution.


And when the PS2 was announced, we seen what the next gen had to offer too.

As far as I remember, when the details of the PS2 DVD feature were released, the most we got were fake hype videos of what this gen would be like. Sony's games hardly lived up to those "tech demos"...at least the earlier ones.


I'll be buying a Rev. I'll buy all three. I always do. We're complaining because people are so hyped up for something they can do RIGHT NOW as they're reading this. Wait until they announce something that actually has some meat on it. If it's special (like the controller could be), hey, get as hyped up as you want.

Thats perfectly fine, and I agree that we need more info on the games, controllers, whatever...but I still think people can be excited about this. I'm not one of those people going overboard with this, heck I was dissapointed that we didn't see much else, but I think it's a move in the right direction...and not something to brush off completely.

[Aussie2B]

www.romnation.net

OMG! They're free right now!

What? And I don't have to buy a new system to play the old games!

Wow!

Seriously, I'm still not excited, I don't see why anyone would be, and it all screams of fanboyism. Nintendo is making you purchase a new console, that at the very least is going to hit you for a $150, to play a limited selection of classic games for free that you can buy the original console and games for for less. Or, on that PC you're on right now, you can already play them for free.

What is this hold Nintendo has on you people?

Seems odd that on a board for collectors of all places, you'd neglect the fact that many of us buy old games BECAUSE we don't want to play games on our PCs and/or we want to own them legally. With Nintendo's plan, we may not own physical cartridges, but at least we can own the games legitimately and play them on a real console on our TV.

And depending on how it works out, it is very possible that it could be cheaper with the Revolution than it would be to track down and buy every console and game they're offering (even with possible fees being considered). For the most part, no, it's not too thrilling, but Nintendo games, despite how common they are, do tend to have some demand. So with N64 games for an example, buying the Nintendo-made games, cart-only, would average out to $10-$20 each. Then factor in much more expensive games for other systems, like Earthbound, and you could potentially be saving yourself plenty of money.

[Gamereviewgod]

Seems odd that on a board for collectors of all places, you'd neglect the fact that many of us buy old games BECAUSE we don't want to play games on our PCs and/or we want to own them legally. With Nintendo's plan, we may not own physical cartridges, but at least we can own the games legitimately and play them on a real console on our TV.

I understand that completely. However, it's hard to deny the fact that they're not doing anything particuarly special. Anyone with a PC and a basic understanding of an emulator can do this right now. I'm not a fan of emulators, but playing them on the Rev is still emulation, just legal. People here all the time get into threads about why they hate emulators. I'm not sure if anyone happy with Nintendo's feature is praising them now, but it would be hypocritical. And most PC's do have video out now, so playing them on a TV isn't really a problem either.

Now, if they could offer full online play with some of the multi-player games which is spotty on emulators, then it would be something truly special.


And depending on how it works out, it is very possible that it could be cheaper with the Revolution than it would be to track down and buy every console and game they're offering (even with possible fees being considered).

It's going to be cheaper, certainly, but that also depends on the extent of the games offered. I highly doubt Bubble Bath Babes is going to be offered. And we're collectors, most of us already own the original consoles. Mainstream gamers are being excluded almost entirely at this point.

Bill who plays Madden and GTA exclusively isn't exactly going to be estatic about this feature, and they seem to be pushing it pretty hard right now.


Yes, they are still banking on old games...but to me it's a huge deal that its FREE. This is the #1 milking company out there, and for them to turn around and offer this for FREE is a revolution.

So you're excited because they've been overcharging for Mario Bros. all these years?? :hmm:


As far as I remember, when the details of the PS2 DVD feature were released, the most we got were fake hype videos of what this gen would be like. Sony's games hardly lived up to those "tech demos"...at least the earlier ones.

I don't remember very clearly either. I believe it was that duck in the bathtub and old mans face demo. At least it was SOMETHING. And while the games sucked for the most part, we still didn't know that when they showed off those videos. It got people talking about where they were taking us in the next gen. We have no idea what Nintendo is doing in that regard right now.

I'm not denying playing the old games is a nice feature, even if emulators do it right now. The convience is nice the same way regular backwards compatibility is. It's not particuarly neccesary, nor is anything to go crazy over. Until they show me something as to where they're actually headed, other than backwards, I'm remaining skeptical as ever.

[Wavelflack]

Not exactly true...

Free Wifi internet
Free Nintendo back catalogue
Backwards compatable with GC
Wifi Smash Bros at launch



Free Wifi internet (eh. Business model, not tech innovation)

Free Nintendo back catalogue (games already released, already playable with existing equipment)

Backwards compatable with GC (games already released, already playable with existing equipment)

Wifi Smash Bros at launch (yay?)

Fully 50% of your current reasons are based on the machine's ability to allow you to do things you can already do today. Free internet is a business model (or lack thereof) and not linked to the Rev other than by association. You're left with a multiplayer fighting game at launch for a reason that you should buy the system.

Would you buy a new computer and OS based on these reasons and nothing else? You don't have any specs, but it allows you to run programs designed for all previous windows releases, and no subscription fee. Oh, and it comes with a game you like.

I'm thinking they should change the name to either "Nintendo Reminiscence" or "Nintendo Consolidation".

"It also comes in a box!"

[Drexel923]

Yes, they are still banking on old games...but to me it's a huge deal that its FREE. This is the #1 milking company out there, and for them to turn around and offer this for FREE is a revolution.

So you're excited because they've been overcharging for Mario Bros. all these years?? :hmm:

No, I'm excited because it shows that in one aspect, Nintendo has finally shown some intelligence. We've had threads here asking for a NES compilation for the GC...people have been complaining about the obviously, and sometimes absurb, milking of franchises and they finally came around. To all those people that said "I'd buy a NES comp on GC for $20" (whether it be SMB, Zelda, whatever), are you not happy?

For once, Nintendo has made a decision about trying to please their fans and attract new ones...trying to get people to come back around. Is it too little too late...maybe to some, but whatever.

[Drexel923]

Not exactly true...

Free Wifi internet
Free Nintendo back catalogue
Backwards compatable with GC
Wifi Smash Bros at launch



Free Wifi internet (eh. Business model, not tech innovation)

Free Nintendo back catalogue (games already released, already playable with existing equipment)

Backwards compatable with GC (games already released, already playable with existing equipment)

Wifi Smash Bros at launch (yay?)

Fully 50% of your current reasons are based on the machine's ability to allow you to do things you can already do today. Free internet is a business model (or lack thereof) and not linked to the Rev other than by association. You're left with a multiplayer fighting game at launch for a reason that you should buy the system.

Would you buy a new computer and OS based on these reasons and nothing else? You don't have any specs, but it allows you to run programs designed for all previous windows releases, and no subscription fee. Oh, and it comes with a game you like.

I'm thinking they should change the name to either "Nintendo Reminiscence" or "Nintendo Consolidation".

"It also comes in a box!"

Wow, this stuff has been done before, but it's still nice to have it there.

Did you buy an Xbox? Don't know why, you could play online with the DC, and all that emulation and media stuff, we'll you could do that on a PC so whats the point. We should just call the Xbox, Micorsoft Windows Dream.

[Wavelflack]

Oh, and don't bother with the "Nintendo hater" accusation; I own an enormous pile of Nintendo products, and purchased my own NES about a month after they became available in my town (1987). That was when I was 12, and I used my own money to buy it.

How long have you been supporting Nintendo?

I've done it long enough that I would appreciate something more than the old Nintendo vague promises and hype, and a more forward looking approach. It's sad to see others not only satisfied with this old Nintendo "game", but willing to rationalize it into a plus.

Yes, free games and downloads are fine. Those are afterthoughts, and should be regarded as such.

[lendelin]

Free Nes classics: sorry, not a selling point.

Certainly not a selling point for casual gamers, and only a minor one for game nuts and game nuts/collecting nuts like us.

It is a nice feature, nothing more and nothing less. Emulators are not new, there is no reason to get excited about it.

The feature has to be seen within the Revolutions design as a console/portable hybrid. As such it makes sense to put older games on there which shine in their linear simplicity; but I'm afraid except for a low percentage of gamers it isn't appealing.

Even stranger, almost paradox, is Ns marketing emphasis of this feature for a game system presented as an innovative revolution in gaming. There is nothing revolutionary nor innovative about playing Rad Racer.

[Wavelflack]

Wow, this stuff has been done before, but it's still nice to have it there.

Did you buy an Xbox? Don't know why, you could play online with the DC, and all that emulation and media stuff, we'll you could do that on a PC so whats the point. We should just call the Xbox, Micorsoft Windows Dream.

Zzzz...

I did indeed purchase an Xbox, but only after the price came down and the library got large enough. I don't use it for emulation (DC, if ever) or "media stuff". I use it to play games, and it does a fine job. I use it to play online, and it does a fine job. Dreamcast was great, but unfortunately it was abandoned.
I don't enjoy playing games on PC. PC game controllers are expensive if they are any good at all, mouse and KB controls are for people who haven't yet figured out that it's a cumbersome and stupid. PC monitors are expensive when they get into the 27" range, and I don't feel like fucking around with setting up the games anyway. Games are meant to be played on a TV, with a controller.


At any rate, you dodged my assertions.

[Drexel923]

Oh, and don't bother with the "Nintendo hater" accusation; I own an enormous pile of Nintendo products, and purchased my own NES about a month after they became available in my town (1987). That was when I was 12, and I used my own money to buy it.

How long have you been supporting Nintendo?

I've done it long enough that I would appreciate something more than the old Nintendo vague promises and hype, and a more forward looking approach. It's sad to see others not only satisfied with this old Nintendo "game", but willing to rationalize it into a plus.

Yes, free games and downloads are fine. Those are afterthoughts, and should be regarded as such.

I've been a Nintendo fan since I played Donkey Kong and DK Jr on Colecovision before the NES came out.

Not sure what that has to do with anything...people seem to be getting the wrond idea about me though. If you think I'm blindly following Nintendo around like a lost puppy, you have to wrong guy. Has Ninendo made mistakes and done some BS over the years, yes. Do I follow every word they say with excitement and proclamations of their excellence, no.

And I am not dodging anything. Your claiming that all of this has been done before and I gave you a similar situation based on the same reasoning you used.

But your obviously better than I am so I think I'll bow out of this little exchange. It's said that the minute I try to defend Nintendo I get labeled as a fanboy and nothing else.

[Wavelflack]

"But your obviously better than I am"

On this point I cannot contradict you in good conscience. It would be dishonest.

:)

[grayrobertos]

Wavelflack have you just come on here to annoy people? Just calm down and take the hate elsewhere.

[petewhitley]

Even stranger, almost paradox, is Ns marketing emphasis of this feature for a game system presented as an innovative revolution in gaming. There is nothing revolutionary nor innovative about playing Rad Racer.

LOL No kidding. Some "revolution".

[Aussie2B]

You won't be able to play Rad Racer to begin with. That's a Squaresoft title. ;)

[Wavelflack]

Wavelflack have you just come on here to annoy people? Just calm down and take the hate elsewhere.

Am I annoying you?

[grayrobertos]

yup, i don't want to keep getting notified of this topic being updated to come here and see people bitching.

[Wavelflack]

I certainly don't want to be an inconvenience to you! Let's collaborate on a mutually beneficial agreement:
Perhaps certain folks, such as yourself, could develop a granule or two of sense? Then people such as myself wouldn't have to retype and rephrase previously stated posts so as to cater to the severely reduced "bandwidth" that is becoming apparent in certain individuals.

Then, with this great new plan in force, there would be a complete standstill in the thread, because many heads would simultaneously be exposed to postrectal sunlight.

This would result in cessation of emails alerting you to a thread update, which would allow you to endure less "annoyance".

What could be more perfect than that?


This friendly outreach program brought to you by your friendly neighborhood Wavelflack.
:)

[lendelin]

You won't be able to play Rad Racer to begin with. That's a Squaresoft title. ;)

I know that Square developed the title.

[kainemaxwell]

and who cares if no new "classic"-controllers will be released?
We already HAVE the best retro-pad:
http://image.lik-sang.com/images//large/hori-digital-controller-blue.jpg :D
I will use this for the NES and SNES(maybe even GB ?)games.

and I have no problem using the gamecube controller for N64 games.

damn I can't wait nomore

Are those sold, or on display at the Nintendo World store? Someone I was talking to mentioned it and was wondering if it was true or not. yeah I was there during opening weekend but I wasn't paying tha tmuch attention to the GC stuff at the time.

[felix]

NOA vice president George Harrison talks 'bout a Revolution confirmed that past-gen, Nintendo-created titles will indeed be downloadable for free.

link here:

http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=36071&subsectionid=1587

This is very cool, image with the revolution you will be able to download and play all the great Nintendo titles for free. And third party developers may charge a free to play their titles.

Where can I pre-order!



Free? This is enough for me.. Looks like im dropping $60 to get my preorder from Eb. Who knows, I might drop Sony and become a Nintendo fanboy again like back in the SNES/Genisis days :evil:

[Zubiac666]

BIG UPATE

Get this:

Famitsu confirms 221 games listed at Revolution Launch (Backwards Compatibility) #1
Here is a full list of 221 Nintendo PUBLISHED games that will be available on Revolution:

NES
1. 10-Yard Fight
2. Anticipation
3. Balloon Fight
4. Barker Bill's Trick Shooting
5. Baseball
6. Clu Clu Land
7. Dance Aerobics (may require dance pad, I halfway wanted to put this in questioned)
8. Devil World
9. Doki Doki Panic
10. Donkey Kong
11. Donkey Kong 3
12. Donkey Kong Classics
13. Donkey Kong Jr.
14. Donkey Kong Jr. Math
15. Dr. Mario
16. Dragon Warrior
17. Duck Hunt
18. Excitebike
19. Famicom Wars
20. Final Fantasy
21. Fire Emblem Gaiden
22. Fire Emblem: Ankokuryuu to Hikari no Tsurugi
23. Flintstones: The Rescue of Dino and Hoppy
24. Golf
25. Gum Shoe
26. Gyromite
27. Hogan's Alley
28. Ice Climber
29. Ice Hockey
30. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (Taito)
31. Kid Icarus
32. Kirby's Adventure
33. Kung Fu
34. Mach Rider
35. Mario Bros.
36. Mario Time Machine
37. Mario is Missing!
38. Mario:Fun with Letters
39. Mario:Fun with Numbers
40. Metroid
41. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
42. Mother (Earthbound)
43. NES Open Golf
44. Nintendo World Cup
45. Nuts & Milk
46. Pin-Bot
47. Pinball
48. Play Action Football
49. Popeye
50. Pro Wrestling
51. Punch-Out!!
52. R.C. Pro-Am
53. Rad Racer
54. Rad Racer 2
55. Short Order/Eggsplode
56. Slalom
57. Snake Rattle & Roll
58. Soccer
59. Stack Up
60. Star Tropics
61. Super Mario Bros.
62. Super Mario Bros. 2
63. Super Mario Bros. 2: The Lost Levels
64. Super Mario Bros. 3
65. Super Spike V'Ball/World Cup Soccer
66. Super Team Games
67. Tennis
68. Tetris
69. Tetris 2
70. The Legend of Zelda
71. To The Earth
72. Track meet
73. Urban Champion
74. Volleyball
75. Wario's Woods
76. Wild Gunman
77. World Class Track Meet
78. World Cup Soccer
79. Wrecking Crew
80. Yoshi (Mario & Yoshi)
81. Yoshi's Cookie
82. Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
83. Zoda's Revenge: Star Tropics II


Super NES
84. Derby Stallion 98 (NP)
85. Donkey Kong Country
86. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest
87. Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble
88. EarthBound
89. F-Zero
90. FX Fighter
91. Fire Emblem: Monshou no Nazo
92. Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu
93. Fire Emblem: Thracia 776
94. Hyper V-Ball
95. Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball
96. Ken Griffey Jr.'s Winning Run
97. Killer Instinct
98. Kirby Super Star
99. Kirby's Avalanche
100. Kirby's Dream Course
101. Kirby's Dream Land 3
102. Kirby's Ghost Trap
103. Legend (some say the movie inspired Zelda but the timing is off, sorry im a history buff)
104. Mario Paint
105. Mario and Wario
106. Mario's Early Years: Preschool Fun
107. Mario's Super Picross
108. Metal Combat: Falcon's Revenge
109. NCAA Basketball
110. NHL Stanley Cup
111. Panel de Pon
112. Picross NP Vol. 8
113. PilotWings
114. Shigesato Itoi's No. 1 Bass Fishing
115. Sound Fantasy
116. Star Fox
117. Stunt Race FX
118. Super Famicom Wars
119. Super Mario Kart
120. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
121. Super Mario World
122. Super Metroid
123. Super Punch-Out!!
124. Super Scope 6
125. Super Soccer
126. Super Soccer 2
127. Super Tennis
128. Tetris & Dr. Mario
129. Tetris Attack
130. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
131. Tinstar
132. Uniracers (Unirally, the game sucked bad you raced unicycles with no rider)
133. Winter Gold (FX Skiing)
134. World League Baseball
135. Yoshi's Island: Super Mario World 2
136. Yoshi's Safari

Nintendo 64
137. 1080° Snowboarding (a personal fave)
138. Animal Forest (Animal Crossing for you Americans)
139. Banjo-Kazooie
140. Banjo-Tooie
141. Blast Corps
142. Bomberman 64
143. Bomberman Hero
144. Buggie Boogie
145. Cabbage
146. Catroots
147. Climber
148. Command & Conquer
149. Creator
150. Cruis'n USA
151. Cruis'n World
152. Cu-On-Pa
153. Custom Robo
154. Custom Robo V2
155. DD Sequencer
156. Dezaemon DD
157. Diddy Kong Racing (w00t)
158. Donkey Kong 64
159. Doubutsu Banchou
160. Dr. Mario 64
161. Echo-Delta
162. Emperor of the Jungle
163. Excitebike 64
164. F-Zero X
165. Gendai Dai-Senryaku: Ultimate War
166. GoldenEye 007
167. Hey You, Pikachu!
168. Jack and the Beanstalk
169. Ken Griffey Jr.'s Slugfest
170. Killer Instinct Gold
171. Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
172. Kirby's Air Ride
173. Kobe Bryant in NBA Courtside
174. Major League Baseball Featuring Ken Griffey Jr
175. Mario Golf
176. Mario Kart 64
177. Mario Party
178. Mario Party 2
179. Mario Party 3
180. Mario Tennis 64
181. Mickey's Speedway USA
182. Mini Racers
183. Mischief Makers
184. Mysterious Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer 2
185. NBA Courtside 2: Featuring Kobe Bryant
186. Paper Mario
187. Perfect Dark
188. Pilotwings 64
189. Pokemon Puzzle League
190. Pokemon Snap
191. Pokemon Stadium
192. Pokemon Stadium 2
193. Pokemon Stadium: Gold, Silver, Crystal Version
194. Ridge Racer 64
195. Riqa
196. Shigesato Itoi's No. 1 Bass Fishing
197. Sin and Punishment: Successor to the Earth
198. Star Fox 64
199. Star Wars Episode I: Racer
200. Star Wars: Battle for Naboo
201. Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
202. StarCraft 64
203. Super Mario 64
204. Super Smash Bros.
205. Tetrisphere
206. The Legend of Zelda DD (Ura Zelda) (Master Quest in America)
207. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
208. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
209. The New Tetris
210. Waialae Country Club: True Golf Classics
211. Wall Street DD
212. Wave Race 64
213. Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey
214. Yoshi's Story

Satteleview Games
215. BS F-Zero 2 Grand Prix
216. BS Special Tee Shot
217. BS Zelda

64 DD games
218. SimCity 64
219. F-Zero X Expansion Kit
220. Kyojin no Doshin 1 (Doshin the Giant)
221. Mario Artist: Communication Kit,Paint Studio,Polygon Studio, Sound Studio, Talent Studio

Negotiations are currently ongoing with 3rd parties for free content as well.

Source: Famitsu
Link for more: http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo...essage.id=95136

:D :D :D :-P
OMG.I'm done.....this is so ROXXOROXXX!!!
Look at this list!There are even the SNES satelite and 64DD games!Even some prototypes and some RARE(the comp.)games like Goldeneye and Killer Instinct.Sin and Punishment etc etc.Yeah,I know that most will be avaiable for japan only but who knows?
and maybe even free 3rd parties games too.
damn and even if I have to pay some money for these,I don't care just gimme.
*dances*

[poopnes]

BIG UPATE

Get this:
[quote]Famitsu confirms 221 games listed at Revolution Launch (Backwards Compatibility) #1
Here is a full list of 221 Nintendo PUBLISHED games that will be available on Revolution:

Give me a link and I might believe you.

DKC1-3, Killer Instinct, Goldeneye & Perfect Dark? Sorry. No I don't believe this list. I mean I might have let the DKCs go but not KI, not Goldeneye, and a big HELL NO to Perfect Dark. There's this little company called Microsoft and they have this game called Perfect Dark Zero coming out. I don't think this will happen. Thus I call BS.

edit: from the original thread from Nintendo.com


"No, it's not official. I'm looking at the page in Famitsu right now. It justs adds up the Nintendo published titles on the NES (79), SNES (54), N64 (45), and GC (43) to get 221. Then wonders if all 221 could be playable. Please stop spreading false info."

Like I said up there, PD gives it away.

edit2: There's tons more "errors" in the list. (sorry for the edits but I saw this and then frantictly went to search for confirmation before reading the whole list, just happened to see the RARE titles first). The Mario is Missing titles? Not Nintendo. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!? Maybe just Punch-Out!!. I'm sure they don't have the licence to Popeye anymore. The Ken Griffye's, The Kobe's, actually all the licenced sports games...really there's so many holes in this list.

Its a "maybe" list, nothing official.

[grayrobertos]

It is posible that they would have something in a contract some where that let them do this exact thing isnt it, nintendo did publish these games and own rare at the time. They also had some say in a few of rares games didn't they?

[Aussie2B]

Buggie Boogie? Emperor of the Jungle? What the hell? There's at least half a dozen N64 games on that list that were canned. Some of them never even got far into development to begin with. o_O

That's the big warning sign right there (and all of poopnes reasons just add on top). I'd love to believe that Nintendo secretly finished all these products and now the public will get a chance to play them, but I don't believe it for one second. They have done it with a few N64 titles in the past, but in the the case of the 64DD Zelda, it was already finished and thrown on as a bonus on the Ocarina of Time promo bonus. And in the case of Kirby's Air Ride, they finished it up, polished the graphics up, and released it as a brand new GameCube title. I could possibly see them finishing up titles and releasing them as full-price DS games, but no way in hell are they putting that much work into a game they're just going to put online for the Revolution and give away for free or charge a small fee for.

And I'm not even going to get into how I don't think we're going to be seeing games by Taito and Treasure and such, regardless of if the original games were publish by Nintendo. o_O

[Nature Boy]

Wow this is a lot to read to get to this point... :)


Free Nes classics: sorry, not a selling point.

I disagree. If it's marketed right this is a good idea by Nintendo to try to weasel their way into more market share. Nostalgia is a powerful weapon and Nintendo has it in spades (rivaled only by Atari in my eyes).

How it will be free remains to be seen, and although it's fun to think about how they'll do it, quite frankly I'm not getting excited about anything until Nintendo tells us whats what.

But what I think I've read and nobody else has touched on is this: Nintendo is gonna have their verson of Xbox live it sounds like, correct? And it won't cost anything to connect to it? Is MS still gonna charge for XBL when 360 launches?

I'll be honest, I'm still not buying the 'online revolution' that the press keeps trying to sell me. Online gamers are what, 10% of total gamers? 20%? It will be more important for each following generation, and marketing a free service over your competition has got to throw MS for a loop.

[Captain Wrong]

Give me a link and I might believe you.

DKC1-3, Killer Instinct, Goldeneye & Perfect Dark? Sorry. No I don't believe this list. I mean I might have let the DKCs go but not KI, not Goldeneye, and a big HELL NO to Perfect Dark. There's this little company called Microsoft and they have this game called Perfect Dark Zero coming out. I don't think this will happen. Thus I call BS.


Not to mention the Bond licence would have to be renewed to re-release Goldeneye. Regardless of what the situation is between Rare and Nintendo, I'd find it nearly impossible to believe that a) they'd pay for a big buck license for a "free" game (if it is in fact free, still nothing on that here) and b) that the current license holder, EA, would allow another company to put out a Bond game and I'd imagine they have an exclusive.

[CartCollector]

Whoever gave the Romnation link, look at this:
Super Mario Bros.? NOPE! (http://www.romnation.net/srv/roms/34617/nes/Super-Mario-Bros.html)
Legend of Zelda? NO WAY! (http://www.romnation.net/srv/roms/31613/nes/Legend-of-Zelda-The-PRG-0-U.html)

[Gamereviewgod]

Whoever gave the Romnation link, look at this:
Super Mario Bros.? NOPE!
Legend of Zelda? NO WAY!


That's a big deal because Mario and Zelda are so expensive on the NES, right? No. You're not going to get every game via ROM the same you're not going to get them on the Revolution. At the very least, with ROMS, some of those really obscure hard to find games will be playable. Nintendo can offer Mario Bros. for free all they want on the Rev. I'll play one of the seven copies I have for the NES.

[ubersaurus]

Whoever gave the Romnation link, look at this:
Super Mario Bros.? NOPE!
Legend of Zelda? NO WAY!


That's a big deal because Mario and Zelda are so expensive on the NES, right? No. You're not going to get every game via ROM the same you're not going to get them on the Revolution. At the very least, with ROMS, some of those really obscure hard to find games will be playable. Nintendo can offer Mario Bros. for free all they want on the Rev. I'll play one of the seven copies I have for the NES.

I think you have to look at this from the perspective of people who aren't collectors. Hell, look at it from people who aren't big time gamers, who don't even care about emulating a hell of a lot.

They won't have an NES hooked up, and even if they own one and try it, they'll probably give up trying to make it run. They hear they can play it for free off of the Revolution, they say "badass, I can play SMB/Zelda/Mega Man 2/Contra/what have you again!"

Or, look at it from the perspective of a parent buying a system for a kid. Assuming they have an internet connection(and I'm assuming the Rev will have an ethernet port SOMEWHERE in addition to wifi) that gives them a source of quality games for their kid to play for free, or if not, assumedly a hell of a lot cheaper than what a new game would cost. Even if Mario 64 would cost, like, 5 bucks to download, it's still an awesome game and cheaper than anything you can buy on the market.

I mean, people complain about Nintendo not doing anything with their old IPs. Well, here they are, doing something with em, and people are complaining about it! I'd call it a selling point because it means I don't have to dick around trying to find my carts and controllers if I don't have to pay money. And suppose Nintendo puts up unreleased games they were working on up there? I'd have no qualm with playing NES Earthbound on a tv over a PC, nor Star Fox 2, nor that NES Simcity they showed off in NP(possibly the reasoning behind that sections inclusion?)...it's as much a selling point as backwards compatibility for the Playstation line is, and should be looked at as such.

[petewhitley]

Whoever gave the Romnation link, look at this:
Super Mario Bros.? NOPE! (http://www.romnation.net/srv/roms/34617/nes/Super-Mario-Bros.html)
Legend of Zelda? NO WAY! (http://www.romnation.net/srv/roms/31613/nes/Legend-of-Zelda-The-PRG-0-U.html)

Go get 'em off usenet. Not too hard.

[dan2357]

Im looking at this from nintendos side. If they offer the games on the rev, Think of all the new lawsuits they can open up going after sites that offer downloadable roms.
Making all the games available directly from the main company, for a current system would close the loop hole of non used out of date software that many sites use to get out of trouble in offering rom downloads.
Nintendo is setting it self up to make plenty of money in law suits alone in offering free downloads.
Im wondering if you can save these downloable games, or if everytime you want to play one will you have to download it again?

[Gamereviewgod]

I think you have to look at this from the perspective of people who aren't collectors. Hell, look at it from people who aren't big time gamers

Ok, I will. They don't want to play Mario Bros, especailly not the original. They want to look "cool." They want Madden, they want GTA. They're not going to buy a Rev. because they can play Mario. They're going to buy a PS3 because they can shoot hookers.


Or, look at it from the perspective of a parent buying a system for a kid

Now that I can see. That's where this could work for Nintendo, though if they charge for some games, will parents give their credit card to an 8-year old?

[ubersaurus]

I personally know a good number of people who aren't collectors, but do enjoy the older games. They just simply don't want to go through the trouble to search out the equipment to play them. That's the kind of people I was referring to :P I could count my coworkers(one of whom doesn't even play a hell of a lot of games outside of the Mario Party's), a few friends of mine, and a good chunk of relatives.

And of course, there's all those nostalgia tripping high schoolers and college kids. The ones that will still hold TECMO BOWL TOURNAMENTS if given the chance.

[Gamereviewgod]

They just simply don't want to go through the trouble to search out the equipment to play them

Then would they even bother buying a Rev, especailly if it's over $150?

I see your point, and this is all possible. It just depends how Nintendo markets it. They're going after such a unique chunk of the market, it all depends how they get the word out. Nintendo isn't the name they once were, and they can advertise during the usual programming blocks that you can play Mario Bros for free, but once Sony shows a pre-rendered video of Killzone with a PS3 logo after that, which is the mainstream gamer going to buy? The PS3. What's the casual (like your office buddies) game player going to buy? Neither (regardless of what Microsoft thinks).

[rbudrick]

Now that I can see. That's where this could work for Nintendo, though if they charge for some games, will parents give their credit card to an 8-year old?

Maybe they won't Their parents (speculating here) may be able to put some money in an online Nintendo account for their kids to download games.

Think of the incentives to get chores done...a great way to keep track of what the kids are doing with their allowances too...

-Rob

[Captain Wrong]

What 8-year old (not related to anyone posting here :)) is going to care about playing a NES game older than him?

[ubersaurus]

What 8-year old (not related to anyone posting here :)) is going to care about playing a NES game older than him?

At 8 years old, I've noticed that kids will play damn near anything you set in front of them, as long as it doesn't look TOO outdated. SMB1 make look kinda crummy nowadays, but there's a hell of a lot of other NES games that still look pretty choice.

I mean, shit. I've seen kids at work playing original game boy games, and we all know how crummy those can look in comparison to the gba.

[Gamereviewgod]

Most kids don't care until they hit about 10 I think. That's when I finally came to realization that some games actually suck. Those plug-n-play things are selling well enough to prove that. The question is will a kid actually want his new system to play games like that instead of hyper-Mario 3-D Revenge?


Maybe they won't Their parents (speculating here) may be able to put some money in an online Nintendo account for their kids to download games.


Now there's a good idea.

[Icarus Moonsight]

It's sad that the minute I try to defend Nintendo I get labeled as a fanboy and nothing else.

Yeah it is... Drexel your not alone. I am not by any measure a Nintendo fanboy. I am a HUGE fan of anything that is good for video gaming and Nintendo is doing alot of things right this time... or so it seems. When you post in a forum about these things and how glad you are to see the change, all of the sudden the best view of you they can muster is straight down their nose. It really is sad.

I guess some people won't be happy until Nintendo follows Sega down the ole 3rd party trail... also sad.

[boatofcar]

The latest issue of Famitsu Weekly (#861) reveals a list of 221 Nintendo published titles on the NES, SNES and N64 that will be available for download on the Nintendo Revolution console in Japan.

Link


List:
Nintendo Entertainment System (NES)
1. 10-Yard Fight
2. Anticipation
3. Balloon Fight
4. Barker Bill's Trick Shooting
5. Baseball
6. Clu Clu Land
7. Dance Aerobics (may require dance pad, I halfway wanted to put this in questioned)
8. Devil World
9. Doki Doki Panic
10. Donkey Kong
11. Donkey Kong 3
12. Donkey Kong Classics
13. Donkey Kong Jr.
14. Donkey Kong Jr. Math
15. Dr. Mario
16. Dragon Warrior
17. Duck Hunt
18. Excitebike
19. Famicom Wars
20. Final Fantasy
21. Fire Emblem Gaiden
22. Fire Emblem: Ankokuryuu to Hikari no Tsurugi
23. Flintstones: The Rescue of Dino and Hoppy
24. Golf
25. Gum Shoe
26. Gyromite
27. Hogan's Alley
28. Ice Climber
29. Ice Hockey
30. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (Taito)
31. Kid Icarus
32. Kirby's Adventure
33. Kung Fu
34. Mach Rider
35. Mario Bros.
36. Mario Time Machine
37. Mario is Missing!
38. Mario:Fun with Letters
39. Mario:Fun with Numbers
40. Metroid
41. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
42. Mother (Earthbound)
43. NES Open Golf
44. Nintendo World Cup
45. Nuts & Milk
46. Pin-Bot
47. Pinball
48. Play Action Football
49. Popeye
50. Pro Wrestling
51. Punch-Out!!
52. R.C. Pro-Am
53. Rad Racer
54. Rad Racer 2
55. Short Order/Eggsplode
56. Slalom
57. Snake Rattle & Roll
58. Soccer
59. Stack Up
60. Star Tropics
61. Super Mario Bros.
62. Super Mario Bros. 2
63. Super Mario Bros. 2: The Lost Levels
64. Super Mario Bros. 3
65. Super Spike V'Ball/World Cup Soccer
66. Super Team Games
67. Tennis
68. Tetris
69. Tetris 2
70. The Legend of Zelda
71. To The Earth
72. Track meet
73. Urban Champion
74. Volleyball
75. Wario's Woods
76. Wild Gunman
77. World Class Track Meet
78. World Cup Soccer
79. Wrecking Crew
80. Yoshi (Mario & Yoshi)
81. Yoshi's Cookie
82. Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
83. Zoda's Revenge: Star Tropics II

Super NES
84. Derby Stallion 98 (NP)
85. Donkey Kong Country
86. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest
87. Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble
88. EarthBound
89. F-Zero
90. FX Fighter
91. Fire Emblem: Monshou no Nazo
92. Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu
93. Fire Emblem: Thracia 776
94. Hyper V-Ball
95. Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball
96. Ken Griffey Jr.'s Winning Run
97. Killer Instinct
98. Kirby Super Star
99. Kirby's Avalanche
100. Kirby's Dream Course
101. Kirby's Dream Land 3
102. Kirby's Ghost Trap
103. Legend (some say the movie inspired Zelda but the timing is off, sorry im a history buff)
104. Mario Paint
105. Mario and Wario
106. Mario's Early Years: Preschool Fun
107. Mario's Super Picross
108. Metal Combat: Falcon's Revenge
109. NCAA Basketball
110. NHL Stanley Cup
111. Panel de Pon
112. Picross NP Vol. 8
113. PilotWings
114. Shigesato Itoi's No. 1 Bass Fishing
115. Sound Fantasy
116. Star Fox
117. Stunt Race FX
118. Super Famicom Wars
119. Super Mario Kart
120. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
121. Super Mario World
122. Super Metroid
123. Super Punch-Out!!
124. Super Scope 6
125. Super Soccer
126. Super Soccer 2
127. Super Tennis
128. Tetris & Dr. Mario
129. Tetris Attack
130. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
131. Tinstar
132. Uniracers (Unirally, the game sucked bad you raced unicycles with no rider)
133. Winter Gold (FX Skiing)
134. World League Baseball
135. Yoshi's Island: Super Mario World 2
136. Yoshi's Safari

Nintendo 64
137. 1080° Snowboarding (a personal fave)
138. Animal Forest (Animal Crossing for you Americans)
139. Banjo-Kazooie
140. Banjo-Tooie
141. Blast Corps
142. Bomberman 64
143. Bomberman Hero
144. Buggie Boogie
145. Cabbage
146. Catroots
147. Climber
148. Command & Conquer
149. Creator
150. Cruis'n USA
151. Cruis'n World
152. Cu-On-Pa
153. Custom Robo
154. Custom Robo V2
155. DD Sequencer
156. Dezaemon DD
157. Diddy Kong Racing (w00t)
158. Donkey Kong 64
159. Doubutsu Banchou
160. Dr. Mario 64
161. Echo-Delta
162. Emperor of the Jungle
163. Excitebike 64
164. F-Zero X
165. Gendai Dai-Senryaku: Ultimate War
166. GoldenEye 007
167. Hey You, Pikachu!
168. Jack and the Beanstalk
169. Ken Griffey Jr.'s Slugfest
170. Killer Instinct Gold
171. Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
172. Kirby's Air Ride
173. Kobe Bryant in NBA Courtside
174. Major League Baseball Featuring Ken Griffey Jr
175. Mario Golf
176. Mario Kart 64
177. Mario Party
178. Mario Party 2
179. Mario Party 3
180. Mario Tennis 64
181. Mickey's Speedway USA
182. Mini Racers
183. Mischief Makers
184. Mysterious Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer 2
185. NBA Courtside 2: Featuring Kobe Bryant
186. Paper Mario
187. Perfect Dark
188. Pilotwings 64
189. Pokemon Puzzle League
190. Pokemon Snap
191. Pokemon Stadium
192. Pokemon Stadium 2
193. Pokemon Stadium: Gold, Silver, Crystal Version
194. Ridge Racer 64
195. Riqa
196. Shigesato Itoi's No. 1 Bass Fishing
197. Sin and Punishment: Successor to the Earth
198. Star Fox 64
199. Star Wars Episode I: Racer
200. Star Wars: Battle for Naboo
201. Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
202. StarCraft 64
203. Super Mario 64
204. Super Smash Bros.
205. Tetrisphere
206. The Legend of Zelda DD (Ura Zelda) (Master Quest in America)
207. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
208. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
209. The New Tetris
210. Waialae Country Club: True Golf Classics
211. Wall Street DD
212. Wave Race 64
213. Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey
214. Yoshi's Story

Satteleview games
215. BS F-Zero 2 Grand Prix
216. BS Special Tee Shot
217. BS Zelda

64 DD games
218. SimCity 64
219. F-Zero X Expansion Kit
220. Kyojin no Doshin 1 (Doshin the Giant)
221. Mario Artist: Communication Kit,Paint Studio,Polygon Studio, Sound Studio, Talent Studio

[digitalpress]

I thought this list was confirmed FAKE? Has something changed in the last day or two?

Really, people need to do their homework! Even the IGN article notes that this list came from some dude's message board!

http://www.gametab.com/news/295610/

[Captain Wrong]

Link




Where?



It's sad that the minute I try to defend Nintendo I get labeled as a fanboy and nothing else.

Yeah it is... Drexel your not alone. I am not by any measure a Nintendo fanboy. I am a HUGE fan of anything that is good for video gaming and Nintendo is doing alot of things right this time... or so it seems. When you post in a forum about these things and how glad you are to see the change, all of the sudden the best view of you they can muster is straight down their nose. It really is sad.

Funny thing about that, the minute anyone says anything skeptical or critical of Nintendo, half the people on the board go apeshit and the poster is labeled a Sony fanboy. It all balances out in the end. ;)

[Crush Crawfish]

IGN has just confirmed that the game downloads WON'T be free:

http://cube.ign.com/articles/622/622870p1.html

It sucks that the downloads won't be free, but I like the idea of downloadable demos. And I still wanna see the damn controller! The suspense is killing me! @_@

[Nature Boy]

The more I think about this, the more I'm changing my mind. I just can't get the word "Atari" out of my head. You know, releasing another console but only with games that were available on a previous console. Hello sinking ship.

(And give the "boo hoo, I can't defend Nintendo" stuff a rest boys - anyone who attacks the big N is automatically labeled a hater, so it goes both ways. Either get used to it (and ignore it) or don't bother talking about Nintendo...)

[Captain Wrong]

Straight from Satoru Iwata's press conference this morning:


There's some disappointing news for those expecting these classics to be available for free. Nintendo is planning on pay downloads as being the standard for this download system. There will be many types of services, though, including limited time free downloads. One possibility mentioned by Iwata is free downloads as bonuses for buying new games.

Yeah, I'm gonna say it...told ya.

:P

[Link_Chrono]

I'm not really too bothered about paying for them. Where I live, the only places I can get NES/SNES/N64 games are eBay and Gamestation. eBay can be a lot of hassle (sometimes by the time somethng I've ordered has showed up, i've lost interest in playing it...) and Gamestation are complete rip-off merchants.

I do really like the idea of being able to download game demos... Saves me from having to buy a magazine to play it.

[IcePak]

I think something interesting would be to include these games with the actual console instead. If it had a harddrive included they could store them on there. Sort of like they used to do with the SMS and Alex Kidd. I'd rather that than having to download them.

[Teo]

Didn't Iwata shoot this down as a rumor?

[Leo_A]

"The more I think about this, the more I'm changing my mind. I just can't get the word "Atari" out of my head. You know, releasing another console but only with games that were available on a previous console. Hello sinking ship."

That's rather stupid. I don't see how downloading selected classics from Nintendo's catalog and unrevealed next generation titles (Which don't exist in your world I guess) compare to the Atari 7800 being backwards compatible with Atari 2600 titles.

[grayrobertos]

recent interview seems like the games arnt going to be free, there going to be free at certain bonus periods(for certain games anyway). Also will be issued free with games.

[boatofcar]

"The more I think about this, the more I'm changing my mind. I just can't get the word "Atari" out of my head. You know, releasing another console but only with games that were available on a previous console. Hello sinking ship."

That's rather stupid. I don't see how downloading selected classics from Nintendo's catalog and unrevealed next generation titles (Which don't exist in your world I guess) compare to the Atari 7800 being backwards compatible with Atari 2600 titles.

Before you call someone else's idea stupid, you might want to know what he's talking about and read up on your Atari history. A big reason for the Atari 7800's failure was not that it was backwards compatible with the 2600 (indeed, that helped sell a lot of systems), but that all its new releases were based on older games. Players in 1986 wanted Super Mario Bros, not the upteenth rehash of Millipede. Now, in 2005, some people think game players want something new and different, not another rehash of Super Mario Bros. that they can download for a fee.

[Wavelflack]

To wit:



I still don't understand why so many people are getting hard-ons about the possibility of playing games that already exist. Free or not, it's still relying on their past successes, not innovation or technology.

Put it this way: This could have easily been acomplished with Gamecube, and still could be.


This whole thing is very reminiscent of Atari during the 5200 and 7800 years:
"Buy Atari 2600! It has Breakout, Missile Command, Space Invaders, Centipede, Joust, etc.!"

"Buy Atari 5200! It has Super Breakout, Missile Command, Space Invaders, Centipede, Joust, etc.!"

"Buy Atari 7800! It has Asteroids, Centipede, Joust! You can even play the OLD Asteroids, Centipede, and Joust!"

(and then there's Jaguar--"Buy Jaguar! You can play Breakout 2000, Missile Command 3D, Defender 2000, etc.)


Are the "fans" that hard up for reasons to be excited that they will base a purchasing decision off the ability to play games that they've had access to for nearly 20 years?

"Well, it also has an "on" button!"

Emphasis added.

Courtesy of page 3.

[Nature Boy]

That's rather stupid. I don't see how downloading selected classics from Nintendo's catalog and unrevealed next generation titles (Which don't exist in your world I guess) compare to the Atari 7800 being backwards compatible with Atari 2600 titles.

Can't you see how constantly offering the same games over and over again is like Atari back then? How many times did people want to buy Ms Pac-Man before they got sick of it?

[ubersaurus]

That's rather stupid. I don't see how downloading selected classics from Nintendo's catalog and unrevealed next generation titles (Which don't exist in your world I guess) compare to the Atari 7800 being backwards compatible with Atari 2600 titles.

Can't you see how constantly offering the same games over and over again is like Atari back then? How many times did people want to buy Ms Pac-Man before they got sick of it?

Except that the 7800 only had a couple exclusives compared to remakes at launch, whereas the revolution will have it's own unique titles.

I mean, let's be honest here. The majority of gamers today didn't buy SMB for the NES, SNES, or maybe even the game boy color, unless it was a used copy. The only time they had bought Zelda 1 is for the gba, or possibly the gamecube collection that came with a cube.

I know a girl who prefers the zelda collection, since she can play through the zelda games without switching, or being at home where she'd have to dig out the NES.

[hydr0x]

That's rather stupid. I don't see how downloading selected classics from Nintendo's catalog and unrevealed next generation titles (Which don't exist in your world I guess) compare to the Atari 7800 being backwards compatible with Atari 2600 titles.

Can't you see how constantly offering the same games over and over again is like Atari back then? How many times did people want to buy Ms Pac-Man before they got sick of it?

i dunno what you are talking about

1) those classics are extras, if you are talking about those then you are missing the fact that the Revolution will have as much exclusives during the first weeks as the 7800 had in it's whole life

2) if you want to say Nintendo just keeps milking out their franchises then please do us a favor and look at the list of announced PS3 titles (GT5, MGS4, GTA5, see a pattern??)

[Leo_A]

"Before you call someone else's idea stupid, you might want to know what he's talking about and read up on your Atari history."

I'm fully aware of Atari's history, so no need.

What does this have to do with this issue? This is a bonus, much like how the PS3 will be able to play the previous Playstation games, or how the Revolution will be backwards compatible with GC titles. How is a bonus (Which this basically is, even if there's a small fee), relying on the previous generation's titles? I haven't heard of any remakes of Duck Hunt going on for the Revolution. What do we know about the Revolution's lineup so far? A Smash Brothers game and Mario seem likely (Are they official yet, or just widely spread rumors?).

"A big reason for the Atari 7800's failure was not that it was backwards compatible with the 2600 (indeed, that helped sell a lot of systems), but that all its new releases were based on older games. Players in 1986 wanted Super Mario Bros, not the upteenth rehash of Millipede. Now, in 2005, some people think game players want something new and different, not another rehash of Super Mario Bros. that they can download for a fee.""

Its a bonus. Nintendo is not releasing a system to just play NES/SuperNES/N64 titles on and nothing else. I think it's exactly like what I originally stated. Nintendo isn't relying on these old games anymore than Sony is on their large PSOne lineup to sell PS3's. Its simply a bonus.

If you want to attack Nintendo rehashing their old same titles like Atari did with the 7800 (Which never saw a release of Millipede or Super Breakout btw, though you could play the 2600 versions, but Atari didn't rely on this feature like you seem to think). You might want to wait to attack Nintendo for rehashing their old titles when there's some news out there on Revolution titles.

You guys are adding up 2+2 and getting something else other than 4....wait and stop going off the deep end until there is actually more confirmed about Revolution than that it will be cheaper than the PS3/Xbox360, its appearance, that its backwards compatible with the GC, free online service, and that select Nintendo classics will be available to download for free or a fee.

Never thought something that is supposed to be cool and nice for Nintendo fans would create as much debate and baseless arguments as I've read in this thread.

[rbudrick]

I think something interesting would be to include these games with the actual console instead. If it had a harddrive included they could store them on there. Sort of like they used to do with the SMS and Alex Kidd. I'd rather that than having to download them.

Alex Kidd? HD? Please tell me more about this.

-Rob

[Captain Wrong]

But the 7800 had Food Fight and that game was a) exclusive and b) hella fun.

[Nature Boy]

Except that the 7800 only had a couple exclusives compared to remakes at launch, whereas the revolution will have it's own unique titles.

Dude, I'm not directly comparing the launches of the 7800 and the Revolution game for game amd point for point and neither should you. I'm just pointing out that Atari kept releasing the same game over and over and with these downloads and the GBA stuff it seems like Nintendo wants to take the same path. Oh yeah, and that I don't think that's a *good* thing.

(I'll confess that I actually like the GBA remakes - having my fave SNES games in portable format is pretty cool).


I mean, let's be honest here. The majority of gamers today didn't buy SMB for the NES

IMO it doesn't matter if today's gamer has bought the title in the past or not. Do all gamers know these are old titles? Absolutely. Will they buy 'em? Who knows. But they're not buying a new high end console to play games that are 5+ years old. Just like I didn't buy a 7800 to play another version of Ms Pac-Man.


2) if you want to say Nintendo just keeps milking out their franchises then please do us a favor and look at the list of announced PS3 titles (GT5, MGS4, GTA5, see a pattern??)

You're making crap up and putting your own spin on this my friend. There's a difference between releasing "Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap" (a sequel) and releasing "Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past" (a remake). Atari did the latter a lot with the 5200 and 7800.

What I'm suggesting is that Nintendo is doing the latter, and I'd like 'em to stop. You're trying to squeeze the former into the argument and that's a discussion of another flavour. I'd take sequels to these games over another copy of the original any day.

I've said it before, I do like retro compilations. But I've bought 'em once (the compilation), and I'm not gonna buy 'em again.

[hydr0x]

You're making crap up and putting your own spin on this my friend. There's a difference between releasing "Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap" (a sequel) and releasing "Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past" (a remake). Atari did the latter a lot with the 5200 and 7800.

What I'm suggesting is that Nintendo is doing the latter, and I'd like 'em to stop. You're trying to squeeze the former into the argument and that's a discussion of another flavour. I'd take sequels to these games over another copy of the original any day.

aaah now i get what you're up too. you're starting another snes remakes on gba discussion, wow, that's a new aspect i've never thought of before LOL

sorry dude, the remakes on gba era is already over, and btw, how many remakes have you seen on Cube and DS?? sorry, but you don't seriously want to prove that Nintendo is only doing remakes right now and on the Rev with some GBA games released 2 years ago, do you?? you gotta find something better than that...

[Ed Oscuro]

2) if you want to say Nintendo just keeps milking out their franchises then please do us a favor and look at the list of announced PS3 titles (GT5, MGS4, GTA5, see a pattern??)
Well, sure; the difference here is that the titles you mention (I guess GT5 is a new Gran Turismo) are actually popular, A-ranked titles. Does Mario still generate hype? I guess.

[l_lamb]

Iwata stated that the downloaded games were not going to be free; they haven't decided how they're going to bill for them yet. He did say that playing Nintendo DS first-party games at the new WiFi hotspots they're setting up would be free to play online. I think someone got these two mixed up. It's on Gamespot in the news section:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/07/news_6127066.html

[hydr0x]

2) if you want to say Nintendo just keeps milking out their franchises then please do us a favor and look at the list of announced PS3 titles (GT5, MGS4, GTA5, see a pattern??)
Well, sure; the difference here is that the titles you mention (I guess GT5 is a new Gran Turismo) are actually popular, A-ranked titles. Does Mario still generate hype? I guess.

lol

1) that still doesn't make it different, and for your info, the Nintendo franchises are selling well

2) it's absolutely no argument for comparing the Revolution, and especially only the Revolution, with the Atari 7800

[goatdan]

2) if you want to say Nintendo just keeps milking out their franchises then please do us a favor and look at the list of announced PS3 titles (GT5, MGS4, GTA5, see a pattern??)
Well, sure; the difference here is that the titles you mention (I guess GT5 is a new Gran Turismo) are actually popular, A-ranked titles. Does Mario still generate hype? I guess.

Not trying to interject myself too much here, but...

Zelda: Twilight Princess seems to be generating a lot of hype and it sounds like it will be rather popular...

Nintendo has made a lot of remakes of popular games for things like the GBA and so forth... but it is hard to argue that a game like Mario 64 is a "remake" of Super Mario Brothers. It is a sequel, and in the game industry, sequels make the world go 'round.

You can fairly criticize Nintendo for re-releasing the NES Mario games about four times to milk them for money, but you can't fault them for making a new game with Mario as the main character. That's just what you do in the gaming world, and it is what has been done ever since the days of the 2600.

[Ed Oscuro]

1) that still doesn't make it different, and for your info, the Nintendo franchises are selling well
I thought you were saying something about other companies milking their franchises. I'd like to point out that those games are doing (last time I checked) every bit as well as the current-gen Mario titles, and none of them have been milked nearly as long as Mario has been. Not even Metal Gear, which wouldn't count since it disappeared from the scene for years and years.

[petewhitley]

You can fairly criticize Nintendo for re-releasing the NES Mario games about four times to milk them for money, but you can't fault them for making a new game with Mario as the main character. That's just what you do in the gaming world, and it is what has been done ever since the days of the 2600.

But Nintendo hasn't been even trying to introduce new franchise games as of late. For the Gamecube generation we got what, Animal Crossing? Maybe Pikmin. N64? Pretty much zilch. Other companies milk the popular sellers to be sure, but they also attempt to release games based on new characters and concepts. With first-party Nintendo games you see the same recurring characters that have been around since the days of the NES, and virtually nothing else (with some odd exceptions). Sony and Microsoft milk their respective franchises to be sure, but they also release just as many, actually more, games based on unique properties.

[lendelin]

I don't get the discussion about remakes and sequels. I thought it was about the downloadable older, finished games which are neither sequels nor remakes.

I think it is pretty clear by now that this is a nice bonus, a nice feature and option, but not a selling point, in particular if the games are not free! No one will rush to get the system because of it except for a very small minority of gamers.

The offering makes sense because N is after the non-gamers, the extreme casual gamers, and tries to capitalize on the nostalgia fad about older games. I'm very skeptical that it will work because it is neither new nor free.

But for some of you who sometimes follow the 'true system for the true gamer'-talk, be prepared that the hybrid portable/console system Revolution will be for the extreme mainstream as well that is sometimes belittled by the supposedly true gamers. You'll be right there with them playing the same games if Ns marketing efforts come true, so you better avoid getting into elitist modes. :)

There is rationality behind Ns move going after the two extremes, the frequent and very casual gamer. The diehard, jaded gamers meet very often with the non-gamers and extreme casual ones in their tastes. Short, simple games, quirky and weird ones, easy to pick-up games for quick game fixes a la Warioware; additionally, it might be a route to win a sociodemographic with increased market potential and that is still terribly neglected, the female gamer. Nintendogs, sim date games, and Tamagotchi-like games are probably only the beginning.

The entire discussion about the appeal of older games vs. the current big-sellers doesn't get you anywhere if it is not understood that N is NOT after the majority of gamers anymore. They try to establish themselves as a niche company among the current console crowd, and win over the non- and casual gamers.

N realized that even with a competitive system to the 360 and PS3, they probably cannot increase their market shares. They look for additional marketshares among the non-traditional console gamers and try to follow the golden rule: keep the customers you have, and win new ones.

I'm very skeptical that it will work for lots of reasons.

[Nature Boy]

how many remakes have you seen on Cube and DS??

How does Super Mario 64 DS at launch grab ya? You know, when it was 1 of 10 (or whatever) games available?

"Let's not make an entirely new Mario game, let's just take the one we have, mix it up a bit, add some unlockable mini-games, and voila - instant title without all that mucking about with starting from scratch on a sequel!"

BTW: All this is just me bouncing ideas around out there. If you want to defend Nintendo against the haters ("you've gotta find something better") you're barking up the wrong tree.

[hydr0x]

i'm not defending anything against whomeever, i'm just telling you how ridiculous it is to compare the Revolution with the 7800. but obviously you seem to be ignoring facts (please, make a list of remakes of old games that made it to gamecube.... and remember, remakes, not sequels!!) so there's no way to ever make you admit your wrong

[digitalpress]

Strange, isn't it?

I love Nintendo but I HATE threads about Nintendo. They always turn into this childish bickering where at least one forum member embarrasses me.

How can I make it stop?

[Leo_A]

I'd like to see his list too.