Now THIS is virtual reality!!

[Griking]

I thought this was great. Basically they staged the whole thing. They set up a zombie style videogame in a pub and waited until someone played it. Somehow through light flashes they were able to hyptnotize the poor guy and well, you'll have to watch it to see what they did to him.

Warning, broadband is highly recommended, it's about a 20mb video.

The ultimate in videogames or the ultimate mind fuck. You Decide.

Link (http://www.hawtalta.com/viewvideo.php?id=343)


Edit: If you download the video via the link on the website and view it through a media player it's a lot larger and easier to see.

[Mr.FoodMonster]

Wow. That is really crazy.

I want to do it!

[Kilik Kurosawa]

wow that was pretty freaking mean....unless it was staged then who knows...cool video

[Lothars]

that was awesome, lol mean but really awesome,

I wanna do that.

[Lothars]

sorry for the double post

[Avenger]

for thoe of you who dont know, that guy is Derren Brown, he has been quite popular in the UK for a while now. I was over there a few months ago and was introduced to him for the first time on his tv show. All the stuff he does is real, he also does live shows...now after the explanation..

Derren Brown is my hero :D I hadn't seen that video so that was awesome, i thought i had seen everything. No one knows him in the US, you can *cough* download *cough* some of his stuff, its amazing.

Thanks for the awesome link man :D that made my day

[boozi2]

Damn...... That was insane... I would have been so thrilled/freaked out at the same time if I was in that guy's place :eek 2:

[Gamereviewgod]

His friends sure seem to play along without asking many questions. :hmm: Wouldn't they be worried when their friend passes out playing a game and then some stranger just walks up and grabs him? I don't believe it.

[Promophile]

yeah that was... very very fake. So you guys believe that some computer programmer has developed a certain flash of light that will put 1/3 of the population into a trance?

[TheRedEye]

yeah that was... very very fake. So you guys believe that some computer programmer has developed a certain flash of light that will put 1/3 of the population into a trance?

It might also have something to do with the repeating hallways and the audio.

Still, no. I don't. Great video though.

[pragmatic insanester]

man, my computer sucks. couldn't hear any of the audio, but i basically understood what happened. yeah, i don't believe its real, but its interesting none the less.

[pragmatic insanester]

by the way, what was the video game where you played a detective and hunted on the real-life internet? it was cancelled about halfway through the storyline because people were ruining the experience by putting up walkthroughs on the web, and it clashes with the "actual" websites you were supposed to comb through.

[DeuZZ]

by the way, what was the video game where you played a detective and hunted on the real-life internet? it was cancelled about halfway through the storyline because people were ruining the experience by putting up walkthroughs on the web, and it clashes with the "actual" websites you were supposed to comb through.

In Memoriam?

[Uzi 9mm]

That is pretty awesome, although it may be fake. :)

[atomicthumbs]

Okay... THAT was a blast! IF it were real, that has to be one of the coolest things I've ever seen. IF it was staged, I was still VERY entertained, so no harm done. Man, I wish that would happen to me (even though my biggest irrational fear is zombies).

[Flack]

I thought the idea was great but put in the doubters group. While I was watching it I was thinking the following:

- If someone were to pass out in a pub/arcade there would be 50 people calling 911 on their cell phones immediately, probably more if strange people showed up with a stretcher to wheel them off.

- For as high tech as the experiment was, the game itself seemed pretty low tech. If I were trying to be sneaky I'm sure I'd go wireless instead of stringing wires out of the machine and to a control room. Likewise, the game seemed pretty low tech as well.

- The two friends seemed particularly passive and particularly quiet.

- Ever been shot with a paintball gun? It hurts. If I were a zombie actor I would be really worried about getting shot in the face or on bare skin.

- About 2 minutes after this show, that guy would have sued the shit out of this tv host.

[googlefest1]

yea - this thing is fake

to many factors against making it real -- that guy was an actor - ive seen other things about hypnotizing people with light flashes so im not doubting that part - just the whole execution of the experiment.

[Jive3D]

I'll suspend what rationality will tell me about whether or not that was staged or what -

- In that light, that was VERY cool. I would have loved for that to happen to me. I'm sure I would freak out if it actually did, but oh boy, I really would like to have been put in that situation. Though, I think I would have tried out some jump kicks and stuff.

[rbudrick]

I'm still waiting for real VR. I'd like a suit with thousands of sensors on it, where you walk on a 360 degree treadmill so you have an unlimited size to your world right in your living room.

Man, imagine Halo in VR on that kind of setup. Attach some bungee wires to your self to simulate jumping really high, etc.

-Rob

[grayrobertos]

Watch the whole show boys, watch more of the darren brown shows, im certain its real. Everyone in the bar will have been informed about what was happening, as they let them put the machine there and use a backroom, the friends looked more shocked than anything, what do you expect them to say wen a camera crew jumps out of nowhere?

[Promophile]

Watch the whole show boys, watch more of the darren brown shows, im certain its real. Everyone in the bar will have been informed about what was happening, as they let them put the machine there and use a backroom, the friends looked more shocked than anything, what do you expect them to say wen a camera crew jumps out of nowhere?

I donno... something along the lines of

"what the f**k is going on".

I certainly wouldn't load one of my friends onto a stretcher and bring him into some deserted area beause some guy told me to without saying SOMETHING.

and if this "trance" stuff works like it does in this video don't you think we would be hearing about lots of "trance rape" incidents? Hell this "programmer" would be working as a military contractor.

[neuropolitique]

Two parts caused me to think it's a fake.

1. Camera Movement. At one point he is walking down that short hallway and the camera keeps pace, right beside him. I suppose it could have been a long see thru mirror, but its rang fake.

2. When it was over, the "star" just walks up to him and puts him back in the trance? Huh? Did I miss something there? How the hell did that happen? Why even bother with the flashing lights if this guy can instantly put people into trances?

[Promophile]

2. When it was over, the "star" just walks up to him and puts him back in the trance? Huh? Did I miss something there? How the hell did that happen? Why even bother with the flashing lights if this guy can instantly put people into trances?

Yeah forgot about that part. Anyone wanna give an "explanation?".

[THATinkjar]

Perhaps the flashing included some form of subliminal message? I look at it as if they were flashing a rom to a cart :P

Anyway, pretty cool stuff. But I don’t believe it for one second. I mean, why didn’t his friends say or do anything at any point? I hope my friends fight a little harder on my behalf when some stranger starts wheeling me off!

And more to the point, where were the ink ribbons and typewriters? LOL

[rbudrick]

And more to the point, where were the ink ribbons and typewriters?

And even funnier if they armed him with a keyboard instead of a gun. LOL

-ROb

[Avenger]

I thought the idea was great but put in the doubters group. While I was watching it I was thinking the following:

- If someone were to pass out in a pub/arcade there would be 50 people calling 911 on their cell phones immediately, probably more if strange people showed up with a stretcher to wheel them off.

- For as high tech as the experiment was, the game itself seemed pretty low tech. If I were trying to be sneaky I'm sure I'd go wireless instead of stringing wires out of the machine and to a control room. Likewise, the game seemed pretty low tech as well.

- The two friends seemed particularly passive and particularly quiet.

- Ever been shot with a paintball gun? It hurts. If I were a zombie actor I would be really worried about getting shot in the face or on bare skin.

- About 2 minutes after this show, that guy would have sued the shit out of this tv host.

first off...Derren Brown is NOT a fake, if you were to watch his show, you'd understand. He also wrote a couple books which you can find online...I have explinations for all questions asked on here...

1. He picked the Pub, he notified the owner as to what he was going to do, and probably a few other people in the Pub...This guy is VERY good, he doesn't take chances.

2. The wireless point: when he said 'the wires go from here to the room', there wasnt even any wires in plain sight...watch it again, see, he even tricked YOU into believing the wires were actually visable by mearly saying it. The quality of the game has almost nothing to do with the experiment so theres nothing to be said for that.

3. The way the friends acted. It's called editing my friend. Derren Brown is FAMOUS in the UK...VERY Famous. I am 100% positive that when he came out of the room for the first time, they had a quick convo that was editied out for dramatic effect, which consisted of the friends agreeing to take part in the stunt, trust me, if Derren Brown wants you in his stunt, you JUMP at the opportunity...If they said they didn't feel comfortable with it, he would have woke the guy up, and no harm done...But i know if i was the guys friend, i would totally let him do it, he woulds thank you for it later.

4. He didnt have a paintball gun. he was shooting blanks the whole time...he never once shot anyone, the zombie actors had those things stuck to them...forget what they are called, they use them in movies to make it look like someone got shot, the blood squirts out, etc...notice how no one got shot in the face?

5. The sueing issue...Sorry but this wasnt done in the US, people over there dont jump at the chance to sue other people, and their first reaction to when something happens isnt "how much money can i get out of this?" So yes he could have sued them, but Im sure the show payed him a bunch of money afterwards, made him sign a contract, and plus, its awesome to be on tv so im sure he was glad to participate...yes they took the chance of him sueing, but it was a chace worth taking seein as how no one was hurt. Notice how happy he was afterhe woke up at the ned, he had more fun than he has probably EVER had...

6.the 'he only flashed lights in the guys face' arguement...look, unless you have facts to back up the fact that it couldnt happen, dont say that it didnt...research it if you want and get back to me...as for now, you cant just go saying what you assume to able to happen...the human brain is still a gigantic mystery.

anything i miss?

addition:

found this question:

2. When it was over, the "star" just walks up to him and puts him back in the trance? Huh? Did I miss something there? How the hell did that happen? Why even bother with the flashing lights if this guy can instantly put people into trances?

yes, he is able to but ppl to sleep like that, but the whole point of the experiment was to make him fall asleep playin the game...to wake up in the building, fall asleep again, and put him back where he originally was, so that he thought it was part of the game...if he just walked up to him in the Pub and put him to sleep, well then that wouldnt even get the result he wanted would it?

[Avenger]

Anyway, pretty cool stuff. But I don’t believe it for one second. I mean, why didn’t his friends say or do anything at any point? I hope my friends fight a little harder on my behalf when some stranger starts wheeling me off!

Like i said, the guy is hugely famous, hes not a stranger at all...imagine it..i dunno...Ashton Kutcher came up to you and said "lets PUNK your friend and put it on tv", would you say "get away from me stranger!" or would you go through with it...plus, remember tv shows are editied, that guy may not have been the first person to be put to sleep, the friends of this 'first guy' might have no wanted to go thru with it...obviously they wouldnt show that, they r just gunna show the stuff that is relivant.

[Avenger]

sorry for the multi posts i keep thinkin of more stuff! hope no one minds :P

more against the 'if he passed out in a pub ppl would be freaked'...well he didnt fall over of anything, all he did was drop his head and fell asleep, hell his friends didnt even have time to react be4 Derren had already ran out...he knew exactly when to run out, and he did it quick...also the game was around the corner from where everyone was, no one really even saw him, and only would have seen him if they were entering or exiting the pub...

correction from earlier: sorry i was wrong, there WAS a cable going across the ceiling, my bad...but it wasnt obvious, and no one would have seen it..and if they did, no ones going to say"ohhhhhhh that tricky Derren Brown must be in that other room, best not play that game, we might get put to sleep!"...they would have thought it was a power cable...or..anything else.

[aaron7]

Badass. Call me gullible, but I believe it. The only part that makes me wonder is when he re-trances him to bring him back to the pub.

Damn cool though. Where can I see more of his works?

[Avenger]

Badass. Call me gullible, but I believe it. The only part that makes me wonder is when he re-trances him to bring him back to the pub.

Damn cool though. Where can I see more of his works?

inless you live in the UK...you;ll have to...find them...on a....torrent site ...just type in Derren Brown...if you can find trick of the mind, all 6 episodes, thats the best one

[DeuZZ]

Or, you could just go here
http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/M/mindcontrol/video/

[DeuZZ]

Woah, how did I pull this off? 4 posts in a row LOL

[DeuZZ]

Or, you could just go here
http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/M/mindcontrol/video/

[DeuZZ]

Or, you could just go here
http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/M/mindcontrol/video/

[Ed Oscuro]

Attach some bungee wires to your self to simulate jumping really high, etc.
Don't you mean Bungie wires...oh.

Well, the idea of a 360 degree treadmill is nice, but the answer to whether you could build one is somewhere between "do ya got NASA funding" and "not darn likely." Maybe in the future. In the meantime, sword peripherals and motion sensors rule!

[AFGiant]

wow...that was...wow.

[Avenger]

Or, you could just go here
http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/M/mindcontrol/video/

these videos are pretty bad to tell you the truth, thats y i didnt post um...but if its the only Derren Brown you can get...might as well

[Damion]

That was pretty cool. wish it had happened to me that would have ROCKED!

[AB Positive]

by the way, what was the video game where you played a detective and hunted on the real-life internet? it was cancelled about halfway through the storyline because people were ruining the experience by putting up walkthroughs on the web, and it clashes with the "actual" websites you were supposed to comb through.

It was called "Majestic" by Electronic Arts. I was hoping it would come out, that's my kind of game.

-AG

[rbudrick]

They're lucky they didn't have some tough son of a bitch in there start REALLY kicking the living shit out of the actors. Gun butts to the head, punching, etc.

-Rob

[Avenger]

They're lucky they didn't have some tough son of a bitch in there start REALLY kicking the living shit out of the actors. Gun butts to the head, punching, etc.

-Rob

now that WAS something going through my mind to tell you the truth...imagine if the dude just started pounding the crap out of those actors...as soon as he started to do that they would have slammed on the lights and abandoned the whole thing...woulda been NUTS

[Classicgamesdepot]

That was f*cking cool, Fake or not, I watched it imagining myself as the guy. Damn cool video!

[TeddyRuxpin]

I haven't watched the video. Don't care to after reading various replies. Sounds like to me it's a UK version of US "Reality" TV. Completeley staged and fake. :roll:

So what if the guy wrote books? Not everything printed in books is true you know... LOL

[Humanoid]

Neat, but I'm leaning towards fake. When he brought the two friends into the control room, there were exactly two moniters and empty chairs set up. Plus, it just seems infeasible that someone could use flashes of light to hypnotise. If that was real, pickpockets would be having alot more fun. And thirdly, Occams razor.

[towerofsong]

I haven't watched the video. Don't care to after reading various replies. Sounds like to me it's a UK version of US "Reality" TV. Completeley staged and fake. :roll:

So what if the guy wrote books? Not everything printed in books is true you know... LOL

You haven't watched it but you know it's a fake? eh? :roll:
At least watch it, fake or not (real I think, since i've not seen him fake anything yet) it's damn entertaining.

[TeddyRuxpin]

You haven't watched it but you know it's a fake? eh? :roll:
At least watch it, fake or not (real I think, since i've not seen him fake anything yet) it's damn entertaining.

I said it "SOUNDS" fake from replies by people who have seen it.

[Sothy]

Despite the fact it was obviously faked and staged.....

Who wouldnt realize that they had a fake gun with ORANGE tape on the barrel? Ok. no brass was being ejected, no recoil... a frickin gas cylinder on the stock...

I realize English people dont get to handle firearms very often... but they arent mentally retarded.

[jajaja]

Its totaly fake. Some unknown guys come and "kidnapp" him and the friends doesnt say anything and just follow?
Also no question asked. And I dont think you can hypnotize someone that quick with just flashing lights.

[stargate]

I honestly cannot believe anyone is even questioning whether or not it is fake. Umm, yeah, whatever. He really did invent a video game that puts people in a catatonic state. Probably invented it over the weekend. And then he uses it on someone without their consent. Now you may be asking, what if the person never comes out of the catatonic state? What if it causes brain damage? What if the individual is somehow harmed during the experiment? Oh, no worries mate, as was pointed out previously,

"this wasnt done in the US, people over there dont jump at the chance to sue other people"

You are kidding me, right? I mean you can't be serious? Maybe I should move over there to start conducting experiments on the unsuspecting public.

As for him being famous, who cares? That's like saying David Blaine (famous street magician) really has magical powers. No really, he can levitate himself. He is FAMOUS in the US...VERY Famous. So it must be legit.

It's fake, no questions asked. Don't believe the hype people. My god, this is the Polybius thing all over again. Anyone remember this:

http://coinop.org/g.aspx/103223/Polybius.html

Here's a little tip. If you find something on the internet that people are hyping and you find yourself questioning "could this be real or is it fake", 99.9% chance it is fake. Umm, no, make that 100%.

[Sothy]

David Blaine can levitate.

If you dont believe he can really FLY THEN I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU DONT UNDERSTAND EDITING.

[Avenger]

I honestly cannot believe anyone is even questioning whether or not it is fake. Umm, yeah, whatever. He really did invent a video game that puts people in a catatonic state. Probably invented it over the weekend. And then he uses it on someone without their consent. Now you may be asking, what if the person never comes out of the catatonic state? What if it causes brain damage? What if the individual is somehow harmed during the experiment? Oh, no worries mate, as was pointed out previously

i can not beleive some of the ignorance on this board...people saying its fake before rhey even see it...

and now this fool, stargate,where do i even start? you have no idea what your talking about, do you even know what a catatonic state is? if you did you wouldnt say so many stupid things...and Sothy, im not even going to comment on you, i have seen you post on other topics and your one of the dumbest most childish people on this board, so i will leave it at that. You obviously have no grasp on what the human brain is capable of.

[Sothy]

Sothy, im not even going to comment on you, i have seen you post on other topics and your one of the dumbest most childish people on this board, so i will leave it at that. You obviously have no grasp on what the human brain is capable of.


Dude why are you giving me crap?

You talked me into it. That thing was soooo real. I mean obviously it wasnt set up. That guy who passed out standing up... He wasnt just a bad actor. Some of these people just dont understand because they arent from England dont know how famous Daren Brown is. OR SHOULD I SAY THE NEXT KING OF ENGLAND "KING BROWN" If the people have their way.

Oh and in England guns have orange tips and when fired at windows they dont break them but nobody would know this in the United States they just have no clue. thats why the non actor hypmotized guy thought he was in a videogame. You just have to be smart to see how real and unstaged it all was. See they do tricky editing to make it look as fake as possible to weed out the unworthy non believers.

ALL YOU IGNORANT CHIL:DISH FUCKWADS THAT DONT BLINDLY WORSHIP DAREN "SLICK TRICKY" BROWN WILL PAY IN THE REVOLUTION AND THE SEAS SHALLL RUN RED WITH BLOOD IT SO WAS REAL OMFG !!!!111ONEONEONE

[Gzilla23]

Wow this has inspired some funny comments. I thought it was fake for a couple reasons. 1. I have never seen anyone passout and stand up. His neck and arms went limp but his legs managed to hold him up? 2. If I were freaking out I would have rushed and beaten the crap out of the nearest thing and used the gun to try to break the glass and get out. I would have definately stomped on the Zombie that was already laying there. Not to mention I would have been yelling for help like it was my job. Call me a skeptic but I just cant believe this was true. I think most people would have taken a swing or 3 at at least one of those zombie actor people.

[neuropolitique]

I watched it again and have to agree with Sothy about the gun. It is obviously a paintball gun. Look familiar?
http://www.anolaze.com/images/splash/viperm1_3_lg.jpg
add the gas cylinder to the back and it looks pretty close.

Another thing that bothers me is that everyone knows you have to shoot Zombies in the head. Our hero didn't make one head shot, not even at point blank range.

One final thing. THis guys rents this spce and makes it look like a hospital in which some disaster has occured. Details throughout the entire building. And yet they only use one room. They purposefully block his ability to go to any other area of the "hospital" Why bother decoratiing the entire place if you're jsut going to use one, and honestly pretty bland, room? The answer is actually quite simple. Avenger is right. Darren Brown is very good at what he does. The unfortunate thing is that his targets aren't the people in his videos, it's the people watching them.

[Captain J]

And more to the point, where were the ink ribbons and typewriters?

And even funnier if they armed him with a keyboard instead of a gun. LOL

-ROb

yeah, the typing of the virtual dead 8-)

[ubikuberalles]

You obviously have no grasp on what the human brain is capable of.

Let me take a stab at figuring it out. :)

From Sothy's posts I know the human brain is capable of a sense of humor and skepticism.

From other posts I find on this thread I've learned that the human brain is also capable of:

- Self-delusion
- Gullibility
- Wild flights of fantasy
- Anger

But what do I know? I'm just a caveman retrogamer.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/ubikuberalles/photos%20for%20dp%20site/caveman-retrogamer.jpg

This modern world of video games, flashing lights and hypnotism frightens and confuses me! Flashing lights can make you sleep! Nooo! Must avert eyes during lightning storm! And he's asleep while standing? How does he do that? I always fall down when I'm unconscious.

But what do I know? I'm just a caveman retrogamer. What does Vreenak think about it?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/ubikuberalles/photos%20for%20dp%20site/itsafake.jpg

Well, there you go. But then again he's a Romulan. Go figure. :D

[Poofta!]

by the way, what was the video game where you played a detective and hunted on the real-life internet? it was cancelled about halfway through the storyline because people were ruining the experience by putting up walkthroughs on the web, and it clashes with the "actual" websites you were supposed to comb through.

Majestic


hte video was pretty cool, i wish i could try that. on a side note, that arcade housed an actual PC that used a gun as a mouse pointer, ive seen those for sale here in nyc, anyone know if its good or not?

[Sothy]

Dude Altair, I remember that Romulan dude saying that all pissed off in an episode of Star Trek TNG but cant remember what the episode was about and now its pissing me off.

I cant even go to sleep now cuz im thinking about it.

ITS A FAKEEEE

Think he was talking to Riker... DAMNIT


/me pours a 40 oz out for Phil Hartman

[ubikuberalles]

Dude Altair, I remember that Romulan dude saying that all pissed off in an episode of Star Trek TNG but cant remember what the episode was about and now its pissing me off.

I cant even go to sleep now cuz im thinking about it.

ITS A FAKEEEE

Think he was talking to Riker... DAMNIT


/me pours a 40 oz out for Phil Hartman

Deep Space Nine. He was telling it to Sisko and Garek. The episode was "In the Pale Moonlight".

Hmmpf. A caveman retrogamer knowledgable about Star Trek. Ironical, isn't it? :)

[Sothy]

Deep Space Nine. He was telling it to Sisko and Garek. The episode was "In the Pale Moonlight".


Ahhhh. thanks man it was driving me nuts.....

whh...whhhh... YOU! Youre the one buying my CATS!!!!

ARRRRRRR

[stargate]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: Catatonia is a severe psychiatric and medical condition, characterized by, in catatonic stupor, a general absence of motor activity, and, in catatonic excitement, violent, hyperactive behavior directed at oneself or others but with no visible purpose.

I did a quick Google search on Derren Brown. This quote is FROM HIS OWN WEBSITE.

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http://www.derrenbrown.co.uk/

Derren Brown is a unique force in the world of illusion - he can seemingly predict and control human behaviour.

He doesn't claim to be a mind-reader, instead he describes his craft as a mixture of magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship.

Whatever you choose to call it, his unparalleled performances amaze and unsettle all those who watch him. This is a powerful and provocative form of entertainment, unlikely to be imitated for a long while.
----------------------------------------------------------

OK, so Avenger, this guy admits he is a magician/ illusionist, yet you still believe he actually created a machine that can put a person in a catatonic state. That's like saying David Copperfield can really make an airplane disappear.

Look, I have no doubt that this man is an amazing illusionist and a gifted entertainer. I was a magician for 15 years. Did big shows and the whole works. The whole magician trade has been evolving. The new breed of magicians do stuff like this. They devise elaborate schemes to fool the audience, which just happens to be the tv audience. They get people to believe they have 'magical powers', people like you. This is no different than when magicians in the past did the same thing, guys like Harry Blackstone and Houdini. They fooled their audiences. That is what magic is all about.

Like I said, David Blaine does the same thing. Ever watch one of his shows? People are convinced he can levitate. They stand there freaking out and crying saying he must be blessed and that he has mystical powers.

Think about it. What if Derren Brown actually invented a machine that could do that? How could such a thing be used? Well, let's see, how about a hostage standoff, just zap the assailant a few times with a light gun and he goes catatonic, no more standoff. hell, we could probably disable half an army if the light source was big enough. I am sure the government is spending millions of dollars and using the country's best scientists to try and devise such a machine. Derren Brown did not just invent it in his spare time. He's a showman. It was a trick, period.

Look, no offense Avenger. I realize you like Derren Brown. He seems pretty cool from what I have checked out and he is most definitely a genius at what he does. It's just that he is a magician, that's all.

[ubikuberalles]

Ahhhh. thanks man it was driving me nuts.....

whh...whhhh... YOU! Youre the one buying my CATS!!!!

ARRRRRRR

Um...what? Ahhh...look over there! <runs away>

Don't shoot! Don't shoot!

Hey, I can't be a Sothy wannabe if I don't have cats in my items list. Besides I stopped buying cats over a week ago (otherwise, by now, I would have over 30 cats instead of just 21. :) ).

[Rikimaru]

Sorry, there is only room for one TRUE Darren Brown in this town.

http://mudbowl.org/mb11-db.jpg

edit: damn. Derren brown. not darren. poo

[Avenger]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: Catatonia is a severe psychiatric and medical condition, characterized by, in catatonic stupor, a general absence of motor activity, and, in catatonic excitement, violent, hyperactive behavior directed at oneself or others but with no visible purpose.

I did a quick Google search on Derren Brown. This quote is FROM HIS OWN WEBSITE.

------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.derrenbrown.co.uk/

Derren Brown is a unique force in the world of illusion - he can seemingly predict and control human behaviour.

He doesn't claim to be a mind-reader, instead he describes his craft as a mixture of magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship.

Whatever you choose to call it, his unparalleled performances amaze and unsettle all those who watch him. This is a powerful and provocative form of entertainment, unlikely to be imitated for a long while.
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OK, so Avenger, this guy admits he is a magician/ illusionist, yet you still believe he actually created a machine that can put a person in a catatonic state. That's like saying David Copperfield can really make an airplane disappear.

Look, I have no doubt that this man is an amazing illusionist and a gifted entertainer. I was a magician for 15 years. Did big shows and the whole works. The whole magician trade has been evolving. The new breed of magicians do stuff like this. They devise elaborate schemes to fool the audience, which just happens to be the tv audience. They get people to believe they have 'magical powers', people like you. This is no different than when magicians in the past did the same thing, guys like Harry Blackstone and Houdini. They fooled their audiences. That is what magic is all about.

Like I said, David Blaine does the same thing. Ever watch one of his shows? People are convinced he can levitate. They stand there freaking out and crying saying he must be blessed and that he has mystical powers.

Think about it. What if Derren Brown actually invented a machine that could do that? How could such a thing be used? Well, let's see, how about a hostage standoff, just zap the assailant a few times with a light gun and he goes catatonic, no more standoff. hell, we could probably disable half an army if the light source was big enough. I am sure the government is spending millions of dollars and using the country's best scientists to try and devise such a machine. Derren Brown did not just invent it in his spare time. He's a showman. It was a trick, period.

Look, no offense Avenger. I realize you like Derren Brown. He seems pretty cool from what I have checked out and he is most definitely a genius at what he does. It's just that he is a magician, that's all.

first off, i wanna thank you for at least being mature about this, so i will grant you the same curtesy. I dont have anytime for mister 'killing your doodz'.

so lets start. Yes of course i have read that off his website, the thing is, he is all those things, but just because he uses magic in ONE skit, doesnt mean he uses it in others. If you watched his show, its different from a David Blaine special. David Blaine NEVER says 'look guys, this is magic, its not real', he is trying to get people to beleive he is actually doing these thing...of course he is its what he does, you you know that cuz you say you were a magician. "King Brown", doesnt do that, when he does something which is fake, he says 'look, this one is fake ok? im going to trick this guy into believin this'. He did a whole special going around the states (where no one knows him), and he went to the place where they teach people to be psychic, and convinced ALL the people there he was one of them...again i must stress he said 'im going to TRICK them into believin me'...he did the same thing withthem people who say they can talk to the dead, he gave just a good of a reading as anyone else, and he convinced people he could convert them to Christianity just by touching them! And he did it...he converted athiests into Christian. (after the show he told them that he was a fake and they went back to how they were)...he said it sickened him to do that, but he wanted to stress the point that there ARE fakes out there, and wanted ot show just hoe damn easy it was.

now about the light and using it in the army, that aint gunna work obviously. he said at the start that it would only work on 1/3 of the people. SO lets just say he flashes the light on an army, and puts 1/3 of them to sleep...but wait, the light wasnt all there was to it, it was a combination of the light, video, audio...lets just say he did ALL that to an army of people...if someone came up to you and did that, you'd probably knock him out, but more importantly you would LOOK AWAY, or close your eyes, am i right? the reason the whole thing worked was because he was watching the screen because even though it was flashing into his face, he WANTED to play the game! If he looked away, (as anyone would in any other situation), then it wouldnt work...the fact that he was focusing on the screen is why it DID work...he wouldnt look away, because he was interested in the game and wanted to keep playing...its a lot more complicated than gonig up to someone and putting a light in their face, as some other people on here seem to beleive.

he didnt fall over: well my bestguess is that when ppl watch the video they think hes sleeping...hes not, he's in a trance, and that is different...thats the only thing i can think is possible.

And yes, it was a paintball gun he had in hand...so what? he thought it was part of a game, he wasnt gunna say'oh this is a paintball gun, Derren must be fukin with me'...there is a lot to this, and a lot of factors had to be in place for it to work well, im possitive that the video we saw was NOT the first person he tried it on.

the guy had to be impressionable
had to not know a lot about real guns
willing to try the crappy game in the first place
the list is very long

a lot of people said 'oh i would go up to a zombie and kick it...well thats fine, but HE didnt did he? hes not you, some people wouldnt kick the zombies, and he was one of them... plus the guy is probablynot thinking straight, he was playin a game and the NEXT SECOND he was in the room...do you know how weird that would be? you wouldnt be thinking straight, you'd be freakin out...and the more i think about it, yes it was pretty mean, but after it all happened he was thrilled, so i dunno, im not going into morality on this one.

i am interested in what you have to say tho stargate. damn these insanely long posts lol, i even left out a crap load i wanted to add...

[Sothy]

first off, i wanna thank you for at least being mature about this, so i will grant you the same curtesy. I dont have anytime for mister 'killing your doodz'.


Actually its killing "UR" Doodz
but let us the chosen ones not argue amongst ourselves.

Anyway... yeah man tell them how it is. Of course it was real. The guy was freaking OUT MAN!!YOU CANT FAKE TYHAT WITH CRAZY SPECIAL ACTING. it was soo sweet an real you dont even know. I mean yeah someone might kick a Zombie but not me man. Zombies need to be shot in the body, those movies are bullshit and English people know it. I sleep standing up too. Thats HOW WE DO IT IN ENGLAND DUHHH.Zombies are so hot and COOL DUDE. My friend said he saw a Zombie TOTALLY FLIP OUT AND KARATE KICK HIS MOM ONE TIME. I believe him because smart people understand what the human mind is capable of. Zombie hypnosis games are sooo popular in England it must be real. Im all about how real and shit this was.
P.S.
Keep believin brutha dont let them trick you into
thinking it was fake cuz ITS REAL!
Really REAL IM GONNA SQUEEL!!

[felix]

1st-
So what.. its a paintball gun. 99% of the people in the UK have never seen a gun, much less handled one due to their strict no-gun laws. Look at who is shooting it... its some stupid frat meathead who wouldnt know a real gun from his left nut.

2nd-
I was a skeptic about hypnosis and that sort of thing until I went to school and took some psychology classes. I was still skeptical until I acutally went to a comedy hypnosis show and my friend (who doesnt joke about this kind of thing) was hypnotised. Look those people who have seasures from just playing normal videogames..

3rd-
Did you notice that poor girl (the first "zombie" seen) was shot in the face with the paintball gun? I dont care who you are.. paintballs hurt like a motherfucker ANYWHERE you get shot.. I would rather be kicked in the crouch by some steeltoed-punkrock-pissed@theworld-neonazi-skinhead-300lb butch lesbian than be hit in the face point blank with a paintball.

[neuropolitique]

1st-
So what.. its a paintball gun. 99% of the people in the UK have never seen a gun, much less handled one due to their strict no-gun laws. Look at who is shooting it... its some stupid frat meathead who wouldnt know a real gun from his left nut.

2nd-
I was a skeptic about hypnosis and that sort of thing until I went to school and took some psychology classes. I was still skeptical until I acutally went to a comedy hypnosis show and my friend (who doesnt joke about this kind of thing) was hypnotised. Look those people who have seasures from just playing normal videogames..

3rd-
Did you notice that poor girl (the first "zombie" seen) was shot in the face with the paintball gun? I dont care who you are.. paintballs hurt like a motherfucker ANYWHERE you get shot.. I would rather be kicked in the crouch by some steeltoed-punkrock-pissed@theworld-neonazi-skinhead-300lb butch lesbian than be hit in the face point blank with a paintball.

Don't they have movies in england? I sure have never fired, nor handled an automatic weapon, nor even a paintball gun for that matter. But I have seen plenty of each. In very violent movies from England too. So this crap that, oh it's england they don't know, Americans know because they handle guns each day is bullshit. A frat kid typically likes violent movies, and will most likely know that a gun with a huge air cylinder hanging off the back is not a real gun.

Oh, and people who go into seizures from video games, and other flashing lights, suffer from epilepsy. They aren't being hypnotized. Which brings up another point. I knwo the laws may be different there, but if a person went into a fit playing his "game", he'd most likely be in deep shit.

[stargate]

well, I am going to just chalk this one up to "agree to disagree". I appreciate the discussion Avenger. And even though I firmly believe it to be fake, I would love to see one of his shows sometime.

Oh and Sothy, you're killing me. I was dying when I read your post. :)

[Avenger]

yea Sothy is quite amusing at times...but when someone talks like he's a little 12 year old boy trying to be cool, you can't possibly take him serious.

i will also agree to disagree, as everyone can chose to believe whatever the hell they want to...i just don't like people who say 'oh fuk its fake, i didnt watch it tho' its like someone reviewing a game before theyhave played it.

if you can, check out >>>> his show (http://torrentspy.com/search.asp?mode=torrentdetails&id=313666&query=derren%20brown) <<<< , i'm sure you'll find it interesting :)

[stargate]

yea Sothy is quite amusing at times...but when someone talks like he's a little 12 year old boy trying to be cool, you can't possibly take him serious.

i will also agree to disagree, as everyone can chose to believe whatever the hell they want to...i just don't like people who say 'oh fuk its fake, i didnt watch it tho' its like someone reviewing a game before theyhave played it.

if you can, check out >>>> his show (http://torrentspy.com/search.asp?mode=torrentdetails&id=313666&query=derren%20brown) <<<< , i'm sure you'll find it interesting :)

cool, thanks!

[Lord_Magus]

I was highly entertained by this movie, and personally I have no real reason to doubt its authenticity. I mean seriously, if one fell into a catatonic state or was hypnotized, and woke up in an abandoned building having nothing but zombies for company, chances are that they would probably freak out completely. :)

Of course, I highly doubt that Darren Brown put so much effort into making this "experiment", only to pack everything up and leave after one random person played his game and showed some reaction to it. I would probably assume that many people tried out what he had to offer, but not all of them showed the desired results, so he simply chose to show us the one that was the most convincing and entertaining.

Supposedly 1/3 of people would fall in a catatonic state when playing the game and exposed to some flashy lights and effects. From that 33%, how many wouldn't notice that the gun has no recoil, wouldn't plainly laugh when seeing "zombies" in real life, and wouldn't overall question that what's going on is just a well-staged prank?

My opinion? Its can possibly be 100% real, but even so it's just the reaction of 1 person out of 20(or more), and not 1/3 as it suggests. Still, this Darren Brown fellow is very interesting indeed - thanks for the link Avenger, I'm downloading his show as we speak ;)

[Avenger]

to all the people downloading the show...report back after with what you think about it...fav moments etc. I always like to find out what part people like the best...one of my fav's is what he does at the dog racing track...i won't spoil it, but it's really cool...

[d4rkmoon]

this shit is the bomb man, if this is real and no fake it could freak people out and leave them with a heart attack!! @_@
weird ....tho

[Zexmaix]

Well call me gullible, but I believe it could be real as well. I mean, I've seen hypnotist shows and had good friends hypnotized and there is no reason to believe anything in here can't be done.

Why is everyone questioning the fact that "he doesn't realize it's a paintball gun" or "the windows didn't break". When you're in a hypnotized state you don't view something that isn't real as fake. Heck, I've had friends hypnotized, that while sitting in just chairs believe they're driving cars or at a sports stadium. A hypnotized person is not going to realize "hey this isn't a gun".

And yea, paintballs do hurt, but I'm sure a lot of those zombie actors had protective wear on, as well as facial cosmetic masks, to blunt some of the blow. And I'm pretty sure I'd take a paintball hit if I was getting paid well, right? Heck, we play paintball for fun and PAY to play it, so get paid to get hit, sure.

When the guy fell back into the trance at the end, that's a common technique by hypnotists, they use voice cues to make the person fall back into the trance and sleep until they are woken up again. Similar to the "At the count of 3, you'll fall back to sleep; 1, 2, 3."

And I'm sure this wasn't the first person to be caught playing the game. It was probably the one that provided the best results and video footage, therefore they used it. And editting can do a lot, IE take out his conversation with the guys friends, etc.

I've passed out while standing up drunk, and I've seen people fall into a trance while standing up. And if you notice, his head falls forward and he leans forward, the arcade cabinet would keep him upright, and with the added weight of his head in that direction it's not too hard to picture a person staying standing.

And this guy was focused on the game, he only looked away around once when he fooled with his friends with the gun. Otherwise his eyes were fixated on the screen. Audio, video, and light all had a lot to do with it. Heck, don't you remember that notorious Pokémon episode back in like 1997 or so, that sent thousands of Japanese children into hospitals because of a blue/red flashing lights sequence? Haven't you guys ever seen strobe lights? The mind is a complex thing, and I'm sure certain light patterns can put the mind into a delusional and trance like state.

Besides, I don't think that HE made the game and light sequence himself. I'm sure he had been working with some top researchers who had been studying the topic and he decided to incorporate it into a scenario like this.

And I'm pretty sure the Pub owner knew what was going on, as well as a lot of the other people around. Haven't you watched Punk'd? All the restaurants they setup scenes in, everyone in the restaurant knows what is going on and claps at the end.

Too many things are being overanalyzed in this situation by people here. A lot of people are skeptical about hypnotism, but until you yourself have done it, or had a good friend who's done it, don't claim it's "not real". It's not real in the sense that somebody just can't walk up to you and put you into a trance, in order for it to work you have to WANT to be hypnotized and you can't force yourself into thinking you can't be. If you think you can't be hypnotized, then you won't be, because hypnotism is a state of mind, not a trick. It's similar to the time when you're between being awake and in a dream. It's semi-consciousness. This guy WANTED to play the game, and therefore it drew him into it further.

Just my 2 cents, but it's how I feel.

[rbudrick]

I always fall down when I'm unconscious.

Hypontism is not equal to unconsciousness by definition. People are NOT unconscious when hypnotised. Also, shitloads of people are hypotized standing up all the time...pretty common actually.

Just playing Devil's Advocate here. I really dont give a shit if Brown's stuff is real or not.

-Rob