What is your expectations for next gen Grand Theft Auto?

[Anthony1]

Well, XBOX 360 is coming on November 15th and the PS3 next Xmas (maybe spring in Japan, but U.S. ? not likely).

So you would have to imagine that the team behind Grand Theft Auto is working on their next gen version. The XBOX 360 is getting a game called "Saint's Row", which is another GTA ripoff, but with absolutely mind blowing graphics. So, I certainly don't think that "Saint's Row" is going to be the dominating game in this genre, but it's an attempt to steal GTA's lunch. You know when the GTA team first saw Saint's Row, that had to make them that much more focused on making a next gen GTA that will blow everything out of the water.


Another question that has to be asked, is will Microsoft open their wallet to try to get a GTA game on 360 before the PS3 hits? Rockstar has always worked out deals with Sony, but now that we are entering the new generation, they might want to throw it out there to the highest bidder. Microsoft has a tremendous amount of cash, and if it could have a brand new version of GTA on the 360, before the PS3 is even available in the U.S., that would be a huge move for them. A very expensive move, but huge nonetheless.

Of course, Sony doesn't want Rockstar going anywhere. The fact that they've always had GTA first, for a 7 month window, has been one of the key reasons that they never had a chance of falling into second place in the current generation. Sony knows that if they can maintain the same agreement in the next generation, that it will be a huge ace in the hole for them. Possibly "the" ace in the hole that could even win them a huge initial market share.

So it will definitely be interesting to see what happens to the next version of GTA. You have to assume that the next gen version will be the first official version of GTA 4.


As for what I'm expecting from the game? Well, basically the only thing that the GTA series really needs is to finally be on system with ridiculous power. As Chancellor Palpatine would say, "U N L I M I T E D P O W E R!!!".

There is no question that whether the next GTA finds itself on the XBOX 360 or PS3, that the power of those systems will allow the developers to fully realize their vision.

We are going to see the first GTA, that is designed with widescreen TV's in mind. The first GTA that is designed with HDTV in mind. The first GTA that is designed with Dolby Digital 5.1 in mind. Sure, the XBOX version of San Andreas that just came out features a widescreen mode, 480p support and Dolby Digital 5.1, but the game wasn't designed with those features in mind. It was ported over to take "some" advantage of those features. It will be a totally new ballgame when they are designing the new versions.

From a visuals standpoint, I'm looking for the driving sequences to have the graphical quality of Need For Speed: Most Wanted. I'm looking for the interior of buildings and such, to have the graphical quality of a next gen Riddick. Sound quality should be top notch, because the developers will be designing the game with on the fly 5.1 decoding in mind.

As for gameplay, the GTA series has that in spades already. That has always been the strong point of the game. The power of the next gen systems could allow them to make their GTA world even larger, more impressive and more accurate. That could open up some new gameplay possibilities.

And of course the big thing that everybody has been dreaming about is GTA Online. So we should se some online multiplayer action for the very first time. I'm just hoping that it will support 32 or more players, to give you the feel of being in this real, interactive city with people all over the place.

I guess we will just have to wait and see. Probably won't see anything about this game till e3 2006.

[Gamemaster_ca_2003]

For GTA 4 I would Like to see.

-More mini-games than San Andreas had.
-More sim like experince than San Andreas Had.
-More area to go around in.
-More Crimes to Commit.
-Better Ability to live on the right side of the Law.
-More Cars, weapons, and other things.

And Most Importantly

-A REVOLUTION VERSION (Or whatever Nintendo calls their Next Gen System).

[Promophile]

1. I want to see it set in the 70s in Las Vegas.

2. I would like to see the story go back to gangsters instead of "gangstas".

3. I would like to be able to understand what the characters say without learning ebonics.

[Jibbajaba]

1. I want to see it set in the 70s in Las Vegas.

2. I would like to see the story go back to gangsters instead of "gangstas".

3. I would like to be able to understand what the characters say without learning ebonics.

Damn that would be cool. Like straight out of the movie "Casino"...

That seems lik a likely choice of subject matter.

Chris

[Promophile]

1. I want to see it set in the 70s in Las Vegas.

2. I would like to see the story go back to gangsters instead of "gangstas".

3. I would like to be able to understand what the characters say without learning ebonics.

Damn that would be cool. Like straight out of the movie "Casino"...

That seems lik a likely choice of subject matter.

Chris

Indeed. What better backdrop for GTA then a mafia controlled "Sin City". Just thinking of all the amazing things they could do with the neon lights at night... wow! And if they take stuff from "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" they could implement stuff like the desert races and the crazy carnival. Perhaps the owner could hire you to do that crazy motorcycle ring thing.

[Hep038]

I would like to see them flip the script. (that was for Promophile) ;)

I would like to play as a cop in the GTA world and try and take down all the gangs in the game. Start out as a rookie going through police academy and work your way up to detective, something like Mackey on The Shield.

[SirDrexl]

I think they will again go with whoever has the biggest user base. So, if they are readying the next version for around the time of the PS3's launch, it will probably also be on 360 also since it will have a bigger user base at that point because of having been out longer.

I'm not sure that the graphics are going to be what you're expecting. GTA has always had kind of a cartoony look to it, hasn't it? Not that they will be bad or anything, but I don't think they are striving for a realistic look like other games.

[Anthony1]

I think they will again go with whoever has the biggest user base. So, if they are readying the next version for around the time of the PS3's launch, it will probably also be on 360 also since it will have a bigger user base at that point because of having been out longer.

I'm not sure that the graphics are going to be what you're expecting. GTA has always had kind of a cartoony look to it, hasn't it? Not that they will be bad or anything, but I don't think they are striving for a realistic look like other games.



Well, to me San Andreas has a very realistic look to it, just on some seriously underpowered hardware. I mean, it looks as close to Compton as possible on PS2 hardware.

[Anthony1]

1. I want to see it set in the 70s in Las Vegas.

2. I would like to see the story go back to gangsters instead of "gangstas".

3. I would like to be able to understand what the characters say without learning ebonics.


By the way, you did get your white sheet and hood from the dry cleaning? Right?

The meeting is tonite!

[DigitalSpace]

I hope they get fast speed traffic right. It's fun standing on the side of the Julius Thruway and watching everyone crash into each other, but it's pretty annoying trying to drive on it without someone slamming into you.

I'd also like to see the ability to stack vehicles onto other vehicles, so you could drive a vehicle onto a Packer and it wouldn't slide off, or you could carry your bike in a pickup truck.

It would also be cool if the lead character were female the next time around - think of a sexy, confident girl that knows what she wants and will do anything to get it. Imagine getting into a fist fight with some chick you just crashed into and she would say "yeah, bring it on bitch." :lol:

[Promophile]

1. I want to see it set in the 70s in Las Vegas.

2. I would like to see the story go back to gangsters instead of "gangstas".

3. I would like to be able to understand what the characters say without learning ebonics.


By the way, you did get your white sheet and hood from the dry cleaning? Right?

The meeting is tonite!

Yeah, I'm racist, because all black people are gangstas that talk in ebonics and love rap, right? Thats odd, because I have many good friends who happen to be black but know how to speak the English language. I'm sick and tired of going through fast food drive thrus and not being able to understand what the hell the workers, be they black or white, are saying because they're too "hood" to pronounce words correctly. I deal with that enough in real life, so yes I didn't like that aspect of San Andreas, but I also understand the game couldn't have been made in the setting it was without it. But I guess since hiphop culture is dominated by African Americans anything negative I say about it makes me racist, huh? :shameful:

[WanganRunner]

I want better damned control....

For the driving, I want GT4-caliber physics.

If I have a gun drawn, I want selectable first-person, and I want to be able to LOCK it in FP. Not just when I'm standing still and aiming, but I'm talking a real FPS mode, but it'd play MUCH more realistically, like maybe Counterstrike or Rainbow Six.

I want ENDLESSLY destructible environments. If I have to rob a bank, I want to be able to decide to blow the vault from the room underneath, the room next door, or crash a plane into it. I'm not just talking about a few options here and there, I mean bottom-up construction of a completely destructible gameworld.

I want ongoing investigations of crimes. I want to have to watch myself, keep an eye out for the Feds, I want stakeouts, wiretaps, ambushes, etc... They need to be on the lookout for me before I blow up the damned ambulance if I already blew one up yesterday.

Notice I haven't even MENTIONED graphics?

My biggest beefs are really just the driving and shooting though, the current control sucks ass. Fix that and I'm happy.

[digdug]

I like most of what the GTA series has done so far. I think what will put them over the top is MMOGTA.

For example when you log on you have an apartment, you can:
A. Join a gang, or start one.

B. Take over territory; for example having hookers work for you, as well as drug dealers, and casinos.

C. Be ranked amongst everyone else in the world based on the territory you control.


Dig Dug

[ubersaurus]

Set it in 1920s Chicago/Detroit/Windsor, where you play a booze runner during prohibition.


Hey, *I* think it'd be a good idea.

[Promophile]

Set it in 1920s Chicago/Detroit/Windsor, where you play a booze runner during prohibition.


Hey, *I* think it'd be a good idea.

Play Mafia LOL

[buttasuperb]

Massive online deathmatch, plz.

[goatdan]

I would adore a non-GTA game with the old-school gangsters and / or casino setting. A mostly indoor, casino setting GTA-ish thing would be just totally awesome.

I really enjoy casinos and gambling, as well as hearing about old timey gangsters Godfather style. I think the GTA style of play could work like that really well, and it would make me interested in the series, which I really haven't been for a while.

And I'm sorry if that makes me a "racist" Anthony1 (which a lot of my friends would find odd), but those themes would be a lot more interesting to me. Why did you ask others what they think the game should be like if you don't want to hear them?

[ddockery]

1. I want to see it set in the 70s in Las Vegas.

2. I would like to see the story go back to gangsters instead of "gangstas".

3. I would like to be able to understand what the characters say without learning ebonics.


By the way, you did get your white sheet and hood from the dry cleaning? Right?

The meeting is tonite!

That was a TOTAL bullshit response. Speaking proper English and expecting others to make an effort to do the same does NOT make you a racist. Jumping to a conclusion like this does in fact make you a jackass however.

[nate1749]

By the way, you did get your white sheet and hood from the dry cleaning? Right?

The meeting is tonite!

Interesting how you saw the word ghetto and you thought of black people - he didn't mention african americans at all....

Reminds me of that south park episode where chef is so pissed because the logo is a bunch of white stick figures hanging a black stick figure. Then he realizes they didn't see a black person that was being hung, they just a person - so then he was ok with the violence. =)

It's obviously the stereotype, but whatever in the environment I'm in (suburbs) I see white thugs w/something to prove wayyyyy more - back to the topic though.




I also would like to see some of the italians (yes, the stereotypical gangsters) back on the strip. And to keep it authentic they need to allow you to torture people just like they did. Not just shooting them (weak).

That means hanging people from meat hooks, using blow torches on their sexual organs, and peeling the skin off their body with razor blades until they die from shock.

And when you do a hit and do shoot them, you have to do special requests based on why they're being whacked - like cutting their hands off (means you violated security) or shooting them in their mouth (means you were talking to the feds).

Nate

[Satac]

I would like to see them flip the script. (that was for Promophile) ;)

I would like to play as a cop in the GTA world and try and take down all the gangs in the game. Start out as a rookie going through police academy and work your way up to detective, something like Mackey on The Shield.

Some different carrers would be really cool. You could be ganster, cop, medic, pilot or something else.
Also I'd like to see a better police AI. Get a sniper rifle and a Bazooka in Vice City and climb on a roof - you'll be able to kill endless streams of cops.

[Moon Patrol]

My expectations? One word, "Lowered."

[Griking]

GTA4 needs some porn and should take place in the 70's "Boogie Nights" era. :D

[Tony Montana]

1. I want to see it set in the 70s in Las Vegas.

2. I would like to see the story go back to gangsters instead of "gangstas".

3. I would like to be able to understand what the characters say without learning ebonics.


By the way, you did get your white sheet and hood from the dry cleaning? Right?

The meeting is tonite!

HaHa....Amen

[Anthony1]

That was a TOTAL bullshit response. Speaking proper English and expecting others to make an effort to do the same does NOT make you a racist. Jumping to a conclusion like this does in fact make you a jackass however.



You know what? I was pretty much joking around for the most part.

But actually, I see an awful lot of people saying alot of things about the so called "hip hop culture" ruining video games, and that damn "rap music" ruining MTV, that's why people don't watch MTV, anymore, blah, blah, blah.

Remember when it was announced that the 360 was going to be unveiled on MTV, and the thread about whether or not you would watch MTV? 60 percent of the people said they never watch MTV anymore, because all it is Rap, and Little Jon and Snoop, etc, etc.


So, back to your comment, I was half-joking, but I must admit that I was half serious as well. It just seems like their is an awful lot of "good ole boys" on this forum. Which is fine, I guess, but I was just calling a spade a spade.


You know what the surest sign of guilt is in being racist against black people?

this phrase..... "Some of my best friends are black"

[Promophile]

But actually, I see an awful lot of people saying alot of things about the so called "hip hop culture" ruining video games, and that damn "rap music" ruining MTV, that's why people don't watch MTV, anymore, blah, blah, blah.



Heres an idea for you to wrap your head around

some people don't like rap music and/or hiphop culture, not because they're racist but because it just doesn't appeal to them!

amazing, I know. who would've thought that the same things wouldn't appeal to everyone! I dislike country music and rednecks just as much.



It just seems like their is an awful lot of "good ole boys" on this forum. Which is fine, I guess, but I was just calling a spade a spade.


If disliking gangstas and wanting people to speak understandable english makes me a "good ole boy" so be it. I make some exceptions for immigrants and non-native English speakers, of course, but there is no reason someone born in the US should say "joo wan fry wi dat?" when i order a burger. Notice I didn't say anything about the worker being black, because I've seen a fair share of lantinos and whites talking in the exact same way. But I'm sure you'll say something like "OMG you think all black people work at McDonalds" followed by a line about how great HDTVs are.




You know what the surest sign of guilt is in being racist against black people?

this phrase..... "Some of my best friends are black"

Obviously your correct. Everyone that says they have black friends is a liar.

[Anthony1]

Well, I can't stand techno music, and it's in tons of video games, and I don't complain about it constantly.



In regards to racisim..... Everybody on this planet is racist.

To a degree.


It's all about degrees. Everybody is racist, but some are much more than others.

Now maybe you are a real deal racist. Maybe you aren't. It's certainly possible that you aren't, but I'm not going to lie and say that those statements that you made didn't bother me. I see and hear statements like that all the time, and it pisses me off. It's like when I hear sports announcers talking about a black athlete being "well spoken".

Saying that a black athlete is "well spoken" is a very racist thing to say, but the announcer probably is totally ignorant to the fact that he just said a very racist statement.

It's like any black man that can speak standard English is "well spoken"


But anyways, whenever I hear people say, "I can't stand that damn Rap Music and those "gangstas", etc, etc, it just comes off being somewhat racist, regardless of your intentions.

I don't like country music, but I would never say that I can't stand that damn "Country Music" and those guy's with red colored necks.

Yet, anytime somebody says that they can't stand rap music, they also mention something about gold teeth and hoes and 40's , etc, etc. Basically they are saying that can't stand those type of people.

I can't stand country music or techno, but I have no problem with the people that listen to that, nor do I think it's totally morally bankrupt with no value to society. It just happens to be a form of music that I don't enjoy.

But whenever it's Rap music, it's like, "I can't stand that damn Rap Music, with the Hoes and the Bitches and the Gold Chains and the Gold Teeth, and the Chevy Impala's, etc, etc.

It's not, "I don't really care for rap music that much."

[goatdan]

Anthony1,

I have a very good number of black friends that would be offended that you apparently lump everyone that is black into the category of rappers and gangstas. They don't listen to that type of music, and they are anything but the "gangstas" that GTA:SA portrayed.

On the other hand, I know quite a number of white people that love rap music and even knew some that think that becoming a gangsta and selling drugs would've been just awesome.

You asked what people are hoping for in the next installment. Then, when people say that they hope that rap isn't going to be the main music choice you're angry because it is a form of music that you enjoy, and they're being negative about it? I don't get it.

The people in this thread that said that they didn't like the rap music, the hos and bitches with gold chains and gold teeth were saying that because you asked what they wanted to see with the next game, and they told you their opinions.

If all that this thread was is a way for you to come in and label anyone who thought that GTA:SA wasn't the best game ever a racist, then you have to rethink what you're doing. Guess what -- I hated the premise for GTA:SA. I also was not too impressed with the two earlier games in the series. But I would love to see an older, more fantasmical view with the same gameplay elements. That doesn't make me racist.

I'm actually really excited about Destroy All Humans, so much so that I'm tempted to get it at the $50.00 price point which is something unheard of with the current gen for me. That doesn't mean that I hate all people, an only like aliens. Just that in my opinion the storyline is more interesting.

[goatdan]

Oh yes, and about people being "well spoken," have you ever heard athletes speak? For the most part, there are not that many that make a good interview regardless of race or background because they simply aren't "well spoken." It applies equally to all athletes, regardless of race.

Basically -- if you want to find racism in anything, you can probably find some weird link. But you shouldn't, because these weird links that you are finding are completely unrelated to things in the real world.

[pragmatic insanester]

i'd like a new GTA to have a soundtrack that isn't ripped off of ten year old albums and gets the "best soundtrack of 2004" award in three magazines.

by the way, more non-blacks buy black-oriented rap than the target audience.

[nate1749]

Ohh the boogie nights is a good idea - I hated that movie, but a nice 70s GTA with a Lesiure Suit Larry twist would be fun... Then again if it sucked as bad as the last LSL then maybe not.

I agree with goatdan on his response - so you're upset that people who say negative things about rap are descriptive about it?

You're also forgetting that Rap isn't descriptive enough of a term. I have friends that don't like the new rap that's out, but they do like old rap (shock g, old ll cool j, run dmc). Same thing with Country, there's like Pop-Country (term I just made up right now) now, and then there's original country.

But why are you even making the correlation that rap music means black people? Whose dominating rap right now, a white guy. If you say you don't like golf does that mean you don't like white people (even though Tiger is dominating it) because most golfers are white?

Also, you're whole "well spoken" comment, sounds a little too much like one of the bits Chris Rock does in his stand up routine. I watch sports and interviews all the time and I've never once heard an announcer say "he sounded well spoken." Since this happens all the time, do you have an example of this? Or did you just take this from Chris Rock.

Nate

[nate1749]

Actually I believe when Bob Love (whose black) speaks they generally comment on how well-spoken he is now. Although, that's because he overcame a speech impediment (he studdered) - not because he's black.

For those who don't know, Bob Love was an amazing basketball player, but never received the recognition he deserved because he couldn't talk to the press. He set all the records for the Bulls that Michael Jordon eventually had to break.

Nate

[Sothy]

I hate rap music and those people that listen to it. Yes I hate those people. THEM! You know who I mean the kind of gangsta 40 oz. drinking Bitches and hoes bling bling pants all hanging off their ass kinda people.

Damn rich suburbanite teenagers ... cant stand em.

[Daria]

60 percent of the people said they never watch MTV anymore, because all it is Rap, and Little Jon and Snoop,

I wouldn't watch any music channel that specialized in country, pop, rap, jazz, or hip hop. Do I hate redneck teeny bobber black people? Nope. Just don't care for the music. And I don't see any reason to watch a channel that doesn't show what I like to watch.

But that's not what sucks about MTV. MTV sucks because they no longer show music. It's mostly shitty reality shows and cribs.

[motley6]

Some of the responses I've read just go to show you how much of the negative stereotype of hip hop culture has been ingrained in the minds of the youth. Hip Hop music and culture does not represent all of black America, no matter how much MTV you watch.

And I don't give a damn what any obscure or incosequential rap stars you can name that don't follow the stereotype, most of them do. For every De La Soul's there are a hundred 50 Cent's to take their place. And for some of you to berate a guy for saying that he would like to understand the Queen's English rather than hear a distorted slang dialect that further impedes African-American youth from rising above their ascribed limitations from society makes me cringe. Round and round again.

Nile Rodgers, Quincy Jones, Bill Cosby, Amiri Baraka, Stanley Crouch, Toni Morrison, and Colin Powell among other great African Americans whole heartedly agree with me. I'll take their opinion over fucking MTV, Rolling Stone, and Russell Simmons anyday of the fucking week.

[atomicthumbs]

I only have one, well, three expectations...

To be given the option to plow more than one hooker at a time AND choose between various positions... THAT and have the orifice selection default to "in the pooper".

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

I think the time has finally arrived for superdeformed characters and wacky vehicles. Something like a cross between GTA and Star Wars Super Bombad Racing.

Besides, I thought the next game was supposed to be GTA: Moffett, Oklahoma, where the game would be Redneck Drug Dealers vs. Redneck Corrupt Cops.

[Cirrus]

I just hope that they leave this country, and not just "GTA: London." I want GTA: Bangkok or GTA: Hong Kong. Becoming part of an interesting Chinese smuggling or drug operation would be really fun.

Basically, I want to hijack a rickshaw.

[BrokenFlight]

I just hope that they leave this country, and not just "GTA: London." I want GTA: Bangkok or GTA: Hong Kong. Becoming part of an interesting Chinese smuggling or drug operation would be really fun.

Basically, I want to hijack a rickshaw.

GTA London would be too specific, like Vice City or Liberty City. It would need to be GTA England, or GTA Europe if it's really big.

[Cirrus]

I just hope that they leave this country, and not just "GTA: London." I want GTA: Bangkok or GTA: Hong Kong. Becoming part of an interesting Chinese smuggling or drug operation would be really fun.

Basically, I want to hijack a rickshaw.

GTA London would be too specific, like Vice City or Liberty City. It would need to be GTA England, or GTA Europe if it's really big.

No, there already was a GTA London on PC/PS1. I meant that I wanted a game more distant from the US.

[squidblatt]

This is purely personal, but I'd like to a see a GTA set in the DC/Baltimore area. Maybe throw in Philly if you need a third city. The Chesapeake Bay to the east and the Appalachians to the west could make up the rural parts.

I'd like the ability to perform home invasions. Everytime I drive by one those big houses (in the game), I want to rob them. Also the ability to decorate a "crib" like the Sims.

I enjoyed the San Andreas setting much more than the previous ones, so I hope they continue with something like it. Running around as a wiseguy psychopath is fun, but it's too far removed from reality for me to get into. Not that SA is real, but I do relate more to the culture it's based on.

[TeddyRuxpin]

But anyways, whenever I hear people say, "I can't stand that damn Rap Music and those "gangstas", etc, etc, it just comes off being somewhat racist, regardless of your intentions.

I don't like country music, but I would never say that I can't stand that damn "Country Music" and those guy's with red colored necks.

I'm not sure how a genre of music is being linked to racsism. it boggles the mind. x_x

Music can be enoyed by anyone, of any race. It's ignorant to say it maks someone racist to say...

"damn rap music"
..or..
"damn country music"
..or..
"damn [insert any genre here] music!"

That's nonsense! They'd have to be racist against every race in the world including their own.

[bargora]

I am intrigued by the notion of a GTA: Bangkok (or Thailand, if you must). Or Tokyo. But I doubt that Rockstar would get it just right, and I doubt that any of the Japanese companies are going to step up and do it (under a different name, of course).

To quote Kaine23, "Oh well".

[Neil Koch]

I'd like to be able to put weapons on cars like GTA2, and have a better gang system (again ala GTA2 where they had the respect meter).

I read an interview with Dan Houser and he said the next-gen GTA games willo not take place in the current GTA "world" and will most likely be a different style (I'm thinking MMORPG)...