How videogames portray Punks

[evildead2099]

One thing that I've noticed from playing a lot of 2D beat-em ups like Streets of Rage, Double Dragon, and Final Fight is that punks tend to be portrayed more as criminal gangs / thugs than as a dignified counter-culture that is socially / politically conscious. Discuss this if you like.

Are there any videogames that you know of which portray punks is a positive or more realistic light? Skate or Die (NES) comes to mind, but I can't think of too many others.

[Quintracker]

One thing that I've noticed from playing a lot of 2D beat-em ups like Streets of Rage, Double Dragon, and Final Fight is that punks tend to be portrayed more as criminal gangs / thugs than as a dignified counter-culture that is socially / politically conscious. Discuss this if you like.

Are there any videogames that you know of which portray punks is a positive or more realistic light? Skate or Die (NES) comes to mind, but I can't think of too many others.

I guess it depends on how you define punk. Also, how would you get across the idea of a dignified counter-culture that is socially / politically conscious punk in a game?

[Damion]

most of my life I thought punks were just some "Rowdy MoFos" who did nothing but Destroy peoples property for the fun of causing others misery.


But then I worked as a bouncer for three years and relized most punks Rock. as does the music, though I still can't remeber any really good bands.

oh and that movie SLC punk was just awsome that should be on everybodys must watch list.

[Promophile]

erm.. Shadowrunner possibly? The good Gen version, not the sucky SNES one.

[evildead2099]

most of my life I thought punks were just some "Rowdy MoFos" who did nothing but Destroy peoples property for the fun of causing others misery.

That's exactly the impression that videogames gave me as a child of the 80s (The way that punks were portrayed in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles wasn't much more realistic or respectable). Videogames sent me the message that being a punk means being an asshole with no reservations for how your behaviour might hurt or inconvenience others.

Of course, now that I've been enlightened as to what subcultures are about and I've discovered The Dead Kennedys and the influence that punk has had on Napalm Death, I'm a little upset about how negatively punks are portrayed in videogames (particularly beat-em ups). Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy Streets of Rage and tend to mentally associate those sorts of games with battles fought against legions of punks, but I'm a little irked by the negative portrayal.


how would you get across the idea of a dignified counter-culture that is socially / politically conscious punk in a game?

Well, Rodney the skate shop dealer from Skate or Die may not be Jello Biafra, but compared to how punks are portrayed in beat-em ups, he's reasonably dignified.

[digitalpress]

erm.. Shadowrunner possibly? The good Gen version, not the sucky SNES one.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

[Yago]

I think they need to make a Beat Em' up where your the good punk out to destroy corporate yuppies who lie, steel, and anything else these greedy suits would do for money.

[Ed Oscuro]

The punks on the tanker in Fallout 2 are a good bunch...too bad I have to kill one for their XL70E3 (well, you don't *have* to, and it's not a great weapon, but it's blue and stuff).

Punks were pretty much oldschool goths, so it's not hard to see how they might be viewed less than seriously...except the industry was like "hey they look BAD, they must be enemies." Style works against them, there.

In "Lame Duke," the early version of Duke Nukem 3D that's been released for a number of years now, there's crossbow punk girls running around, and some sprays on walls reading "PUNKS NOT DEAD" [sic] LOL

[Veepa]

The problem isn't in videogames labeling punks as good or bad. It's anyone labeling themself as anything, punk or otherwise. You just assume that they're "punks" because they have green mohawks and shabby clothing.. And even if they deliberately label a beat-em-up criminal as a "punk", you shouldn't take offense to that.. because you should neither care what other people think of your lifestyle, nor should you label yourself in anyway. I love "punk rock" music like the Sex Pistols, Dead Kennedys, The Germs, and bands you've probably never heard of (like the Dickies), but I most certainly don't label myself as a punk, nor do I label myself as anything else, except "Nick J. Phillips." Plus I don't restrict myself to one style of music, because I'm not afraid of being judged outside of one boundary. I enjoy listening to the Culture Club, and also enjoy the Ramones. I'm a person, I'm not part of some group of loyal followers.

[squidblatt]

Punks were pretty much oldschool goths,

No, No! As a former sort of Punk type of guy, I am scandalized by this characterization. On the other hand, I'm not sure the word "dignified" fits into the equation either.

I was moderately into the DC punk scene, and while there weren't any gangs, I can see why people would portray punks as rowdies. The portrayals aren't meant to be realistic; they just tap into the mythology, for lack of a better term. It'd be far more incongruous if they became a type for community service and social progression.

[Promophile]

dignified isn't a word that pops into my head when I see a guy with a pink mohawk.

[Ed Oscuro]

Punks were pretty much oldschool goths,

No, No! As a former sort of Punk type of guy, I am scandalized by this characterization.
Bah. I got this straight from a professor of mine who'd been a "punk" back in the 80s. I definitely understand your consternation over this rude characterization, but punks and goths have the key similarity of trying to be unique through clothing style. Note also that everybody grows out of it...sort of a teenage thing.

[Cryomancer]

SInce when is punk a clothing thing? Obviously it's known for that, but isn't it more of a music thing?

[vroom048]

I dont know what punks you were hanging out with, but in the "scene" I ran with we were the stereotype. This aint a brag or anything, but we did steal, fight, drink, get high on absolutely anything, vandalize, get revenge on enemies, break in to pharmacies. Stereotyoes dont get pulled out of somebodys butt. Some of my friends grew-up, some went to prison, some died young, and some are still hardcore gutter-punks who dont own anything and dont desire anything but to get more kicks.

[Milk]

According to video games, it's mostly a "kidnapping your girlfriend" thing.

What was the arcade game where you and a friend are two mohawked ruffians who beat up weird crap? I can't remember the title for the life of me.

[Ed Oscuro]

SInce when is punk a clothing thing? Obviously it's known for that, but isn't it more of a music thing?
Certainly is it now, thank heavens. Sometime forumer Atari Addict is pretty involved with that scene; he's pretty heavily into music these days.

[Promophile]

erm.. Shadowrunner possibly? The good Gen version, not the sucky SNES one.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

No.

[Ed Oscuro]

erm.. Shadowrunner possibly? The good Gen version, not the sucky SNES one.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

No.
ROFL

[evildead2099]

What was the arcade game where you and a friend are two mohawked ruffians who beat up weird crap? I can't remember the title for the life of me.

JJ and Jeff? LOL :P

Thanks to Ed Obscuro for mentioning Fallout 2.

[squidblatt]

I dont know what punks you were hanging out with, but in the "scene" I ran with we were the stereotype. This aint a brag or anything, but we did steal, fight, drink, get high on absolutely anything, vandalize, get revenge on enemies, break in to pharmacies. Stereotyoes dont get pulled out of somebodys butt. Some of my friends grew-up, some went to prison, some died young, and some are still hardcore gutter-punks who dont own anything and dont desire anything but to get more kicks.

Yeah, that's how I remember alot of people being. I wasn't into the lifestyle to that extent, but I saw many bands live and still love the music. Most people were cool to me, but I had limits whereas many others did not. Those were the people that made punk what it was. There was always at least a much plain old riot as politics involved, but music historians like to emphasize the social aspects. It gets kind of whitewashed these days.

So, yeah. Videogames. It seems like the post-apocalyptic rpgs like populating their worlds with punks. There was an old Origin game called Bad Blood in which one of the main characters was a mowaked mutant with an earring.

[Ed Oscuro]

Two Crude/Crude Buster is a pretty close fit, though that unruly mop of red hair on the guys isn't exactly a mohawk.

[evildead2099]

There was always at least a much plain old riot as politics involved, but music historians like to emphasize the social aspects. It gets kind of whitewashed these days.

That's an interesting observation.

Some so-called cyberpunk adventures are fairly neutral when it comes to how they portray punks. From what I can remember of Rise of the Dragon, you can spot people sporting punk (anti)fashion througout Los Angeles, but the game treats most of them them as typical non-player characters (NPCs), albeit with a unique look about them.

[Graham Mitchell]

What was the arcade game where you and a friend are two mohawked ruffians who beat up weird crap? I can't remember the title for the life of me.

JJ and Jeff? LOL :P

Thanks to Ed Obscuro for mentioning Fallout 2.

My Hero, by Sega is the name you may be looking for.

Somewhat on this topic, the artist who did Rootbeer Tapper for Bally/Midway was really into the punk/new wave scene in the '80s, so he decided to make one of the levels a punk-rock club! That's not too disfavorable of a view of punks. They just want a beer like everybody else in the game.

I've gotten into the punk-definition conversation too many times lately, but I'll say that punk as a "culture" or dressing style is something different from punk as a musical style (go look at how Gang of Four dresses, and tell me they're not a punk band.) The original vision people had for punk was abandoned long ago, and in current times, Ed's description of punks is pretty much right on. My 2 cents.

[Promophile]

There was always at least a much plain old riot as politics involved, but music historians like to emphasize the social aspects. It gets kind of whitewashed these days.

That's an interesting observation.

Some so-called cyberpunk adventures are fairly neutral when it comes to how they portray punks. From what I can remember of Rise of the Dragon, you can spot people sporting punk (anti)fashion througout Los Angeles, but the game treats most of them them as typical non-player characters (NPCs), albeit with a unique look about them.

Yeah like I was saying Shadowrunner for Gen, which I donno if your familiar with, is a cyberpunk game that has some portrayls of punks that aren't just evil lowlifes, although it also has an evil punk gang or two.

[digitalpress]

"The only thing dimmer than stupid people are blind stupid people."
- Oleniacz (1986)

[Milk]

I'm pretty sure I was thinking of Two Crude Dudes. You're right, their hair is more along the lines of Bart Simpson than a mohawk, at least in the cut scenes.

I'm surprised I can't really think of any punk player characters. I mean, Sega had Sonic snowboarding, and ninjas were everywhere. Punk used to be\is trendy, too.

[demen999]

Quote:
"The only thing dimmer than stupid people are blind stupid people."
- Oleniacz (1986)


^^ Ok I'll bite. Who's that?
BTW I think punk has a great feel. I listen to all types of music. And the hard, and ferocious guitar with drums gives you a great feeling. Punk bands like Dead kennedy, Dropkick Murphys, and Bad Religion are great. But The Vandals and Minor Threat are great as well. THey combine the best of everything in this world. THe good, the bad, and the rowdy!!

Oi, Oi, Oi !!!

Anyway, punks in games are usually funny to me. Same pink mohawk, yellow, green, red jacket and those "RAD" shades they love to give them is hilarious. 8-)

[evildead2099]

There was always at least a much plain old riot as politics involved, but music historians like to emphasize the social aspects. It gets kind of whitewashed these days.

That's an interesting observation.

Some so-called cyberpunk adventures are fairly neutral when it comes to how they portray punks. From what I can remember of Rise of the Dragon, you can spot people sporting punk (anti)fashion througout Los Angeles, but the game treats most of them them as typical non-player characters (NPCs), albeit with a unique look about them.

Yeah like I was saying Shadowrunner for Gen, which I donno if your familiar with, is a cyberpunk game that has some portrayls of punks that aren't just evil lowlifes, although it also has an evil punk gang or two.

Ah, I think you're talking about the game SHADOWRUN, which is based on a pencil-&-die RPG (think along the lines of Dungeons & Dragons, or Vampire: The Masquerade). Thanks for mentioning that title!

Speaking of Vampire: The Masquerade, I own the game V:TM: Redemption for the PC, and although I've yet to make it far enough to assess how the game portrays the punk counterculture, I have noticed a photo of what appears to be a punk rocker on the back of the game's box.

[evildead2099]

Ah, I just thought of another example: Acclaim's WWF RAW (SNES, Genny, 32X, Game Gear) features (now former) pro wrestler Luna Vachon. Although Luna was treated as something of a heel (read: "bad guy") throughout her history with the WWF, her reputation is neutral (as is everyone's) in that particular videogame. ;)

[Promophile]

"The only thing dimmer than stupid people are blind stupid people."
- Oleniacz (1986)

Jesus just come out and say something instead of poking fun at me with quotes and vague comments. The guy asks for games that contain positive portrayals of punks and I list Shadowrun, a cyberpunk game that contains positive portrayals, albeit along with a few negative ones. Aside for not fleshing out my point.

WHAT DID I DO THAT WAS SO DAMN STUPID?

In all my posts in which I've referenced you I've always been kind, I don't have a problem with you Joe. This isn't the first time you've pulled this same crap on me. I, like most humans, don't like being harassed, much less by the creator of a board I enjoy visiting. If you have a problem with me just come out and say it.

[Promophile]

There was always at least a much plain old riot as politics involved, but music historians like to emphasize the social aspects. It gets kind of whitewashed these days.

That's an interesting observation.

Some so-called cyberpunk adventures are fairly neutral when it comes to how they portray punks. From what I can remember of Rise of the Dragon, you can spot people sporting punk (anti)fashion througout Los Angeles, but the game treats most of them them as typical non-player characters (NPCs), albeit with a unique look about them.

Yeah like I was saying Shadowrunner for Gen, which I donno if your familiar with, is a cyberpunk game that has some portrayls of punks that aren't just evil lowlifes, although it also has an evil punk gang or two.

Ah, I think you're talking about the game SHADOWRUN, which is based on a pencil-&-die RPG (think along the lines of Dungeons & Dragons, or Vampire: The Masquerade). Thanks for mentioning that title!

Speaking of Vampire: The Masquerade, I own the game V:TM: Redemption for the PC, and although I've yet to make it far enough to assess how the game portrays the punk counterculture, I have noticed a photo of what appears to be a punk rocker on the back of the game's box.

Thanks for correcting me. I haven't played it in years so my memory is pretty hazy. I knew there was a P&P game as well but I wasn't sure which came first.

[evildead2099]

Time Killers portrays Rancid (yes, that's his name, apparently) as something of a victim, which I suppose can be construed as positive in the sense that one may regard him with curiousity and possibly even sympathy rather than condemnation.

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/a/tkran1.png

Here is Rancid's story:

Origin: New Chicago, U.S.A. Weapon: Chainsaw

Height: 6' 6"

Time Period: 2024 A.D. Death Move: Head Shred

Weight: 261 lbs.

Fighting Place: Post Modern Age

Abandoned as a child in a rusty trash can in a rat infested alley, Rancid's only home was the dark and twisting underground tunnels of the decaying city. Growing up alone, hated and shunned by even the lowliest beggar or the
meanest criminal, Rancid knew nothing about human interaction and the ways of
the common man.
Rancid survived these early years due to his incredible sense of survival and self-preservation. Rancid never stopped moving, and his actions
were clever and unpredictible. Having no sense of right and wrong, he simply did what he had to do to stay alive and satisfy his needs. More often than not, Rancid would stumble into circumstances that were beyond his comprehension, yet his intervention would unwittingly create a beneficial, though sometimes bloody, outcome. These events gave Rancid a reputation and mystique throughout the city as an enigmatic urban force.
As Rancid grew older and a bit wiser, he moved through the city's streets with ease and tried his hardest to live up to the reputation that he had
so unwittingly earned. One dark night he was surprised by a vicious street gang war party. After killing three savage attackers and experiencing a narrow escape, Rancid went seeking answers to this unprovoked attack.
Through stealth, deceit, and brutality, Rancid learned that he was being accused of The X Murders, a series of horrible serial killings that left the disfigured corpses with an X branded into their skulls. A reward was posted
for thirty million credits for Rancid's capture, dead or alive. Rancid, now
wanted by both the Police and the Underworld, went on a personal mission to
elude capture and to find the creature responsible for his sudden infamy. The
days and nights that followed were a blur of panic and brutal instinct, as
Rancid fought and killed to stay alive and discover the truth.
Eventually, Rancid's bloody trail led to an abandoned warehouse, where
he confronted a being named Plague. Caught off guard for a moment due to his
long days of sleeplessness, Plague stunned Rancid and branded his forehead with
an X, Plague's evil death mark. As Plague was about to eviscerate him with his
razor-sharp spiked gauntlet, Rancid regained consciousness and kicked Plague
squarely in the groin. Plague, shocked and enraged with pain, lashed out
blindly at Rancid. Rancid took a deep wound to his chest, but rolled with the
blow, out of reach of Plague's treacherous finger weapons. Plague managed a
kick to Rancid's ribs that sent him reeling into a pile of decaying rubble and
rotting wood.
Through a blur of blood and sweat, Rancid spotted a rusting chainsaw
buried beneath the rotting materials. Rancid grabbed the saw and instinctively
pulled on the cord, and the chainsaw sprang to life. Plague, never having a
victim fight back before, grew wild with rage and charged at Rancid. The
smoking chainsaw plunged deep into Plague's chest, and carved a wide and jagged
X through his spasming body.
To this day, the mystery of the X murders remains unsolved. No one has
discovered Plague's multilated corpse, and Rancid seems to have vanished from
the city.

---

I think its somewhat remarkable that a game which plays so poorly and whose reputation primarily concerns its gimicky gore has such a developed sense of story.

[Berserker]

I've a suggestion. It's a little out there, but bear with me. Why not just, y'know, simply take these things for what they are which is, ready for this... novel characterizations set within the context of 10+ year old video games.

I mean seriously, come on. Streets of Rage personally offends you. I'm not really sure it gets much better than that, folks. Yes, there are punks in these games and yes, they are violent. What would you rather they do as opposed to just outright brutishly attacking you? Annoy you to death by standing near the back of the screen, striking angsty poses? Assault your sense of hearing by hurling crummy demo tapes at you? Perhaps we could throw in a straight-edge variant that becomes horribly enraged to the point of violence only when you go near him holding that beer bottle weapon.

I know things have opened your eyes. You've found Jello, and that's great and everything, but seriously, lighten up a little. If you must take something so seriously and personal, as is par for the course with such a recent revelation, please let it NOT be 8/16-bit era video games. Just take a moment to try and accept it for what it is - fun, mindless 2d video game violence.

This is all that I ask.

[evildead2099]

Yes, there are punks in these games and yes, they are violent. What would you rather they do as opposed to just outright brutishly attacking you? Annoy you to death by standing near the back of the screen, striking angsty poses? Assault your sense of hearing by hurling crummy demo tapes at you? Perhaps we could throw in a straight-edge variant that becomes horribly enraged to the point of violence only when you go near him holding that beer bottle weapon.

LOL

I'm not as offended about the matter as you seem to think I am. I don't play videogames expecting accurate portrayals of real life; part of the reason why I like videogames so much (particularly The Legend of Zelda & Doki Doki Panic!) is because the allow me to escape this sense of reality as I know it. Nevertheless, I couldn't help but notice that most of the games that I know of which feature punks represent them very negatively. If the ratio of games which portray punks negatively to games which portray punks in a neutral or positive light wasn't so disproportionate, I probably wouldn't have even taken notice since there would've been a substantial base of games to disconfirm my (admittedly, trivial) observation that videogame developers almost always characterize punks negatively when they're incorporated into games. My intent in creating this thread was to spark a discussion more than to to address a serious concern. I'll still enjoy Streets of Rage despite my slight disapproval of Sega's universally negative characterization of punks, just as I'll continue to enjoy movies in which the term "bitch" is used as an insult despite my objection to the sexist nature of the term (there is no corresponding insult that one may use with [dis]respect to the male sex / gender, as "bastard" is a gender-neutral term).

[Ed Oscuro]

"The only thing dimmer than stupid people are blind stupid people."
- Oleniacz (1986)
^^ Ok I'll bite. Who's that?
Kevin Oleniacz (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Kevin+Oleniacz), co-founder of DP; no longer with us, sadly.

[Wavelflack]

Why would you be proud to be "punk"? Or "a punk", (depending on your age)?

In terms of substance, the "punk scene" has achieved a rough parity with such heavyweights as pro wrestling fans and the MTV crowd. Yay!

Following the trough of a wave is just as predictable and unindependant as riding the crest. There are scads of people who will never understand this, and that's really shameful.

[demen999]

"The only thing dimmer than stupid people are blind stupid people."
- Oleniacz (1986)
^^ Ok I'll bite. Who's that?
Kevin Oleniacz (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Kevin+Oleniacz), co-founder of DP; no longer with us, sadly.


Oh I see...

[Tron 2.0]

LOL LOL
Konami idea of punk LOL

http://www.arcadeflyers.net/flyers/konami/18113501.jpg

[evildead2099]

X_x LOL

[digitalpress]

"The only thing dimmer than stupid people are blind stupid people."
- Oleniacz (1986)

WHAT DID I DO THAT WAS SO DAMN STUPID?



It's the repetitive incorrect information you give to our members, which you stand by as if you're an expert yet which is clear to many that you are not.

I was trying to be subtle, but if you want it blunt, there you have it. Check your facts before you post. There is no game called Shadowrunner. The monetary value in Phantasy Star is not Mesta, and Mesta was not used in several other RPG's.

Etc.

That is all.

[poloplayr]

LOL. Is this thread somewhat of a voice of punks who are so sensitive that they have gotten their feelings hurt by the negative portraitation in video games? They're f***ing punks.

If someone decides to dress and act like trash then surely one must expect to be treated or portrayed as such.

Has political correctness reached punks now too? :)

[Promophile]

It's the repetitive incorrect information you give to our members

Oh great gaming god please take pity on me as my frail human brain cannot comprehend much less produce your level of encyclopedic dictum. If I don't know something I probally won't make a comment on it, unless I'm drunk.



which you stand by as if you're an expert yet which is clear to many that you are not.



erm.. Shadowrunner possibly?

If I'm unsure of something you will often find a question mark (?) after my statement. I never proclaimed I was an expert and hell, I didn't even use a declarative sentence. Go back and look at my "mesta" post, It was set up in the same way.




I was trying to be subtle, but if you want it blunt, there you have it. Check your facts before you post. There is no game called Shadowrunner. The monetary value in Phantasy Star is not Mesta, and Mesta was not used in several other RPG's.


is Shadowrun vs. Shadowrunner or mesta vs. meseta really that annoying? I added a suffix and mis-spelled a word, big deal. I make errors just like any other person, and instead of laughing at me and calling me stupid you could possibly, I donno, post something like

"The game is called Shadowrun, not Shadowrunner."

to which I could respond

"oops thanks. I always get the name of that game wrong."



Etc.


Ect? Come now, I don't make more stupid posts than the average DP user. Go through my posts and find more than a handful and I'll admit defeat.

[digitalpress]

My point has been made, I'm not looking to make a war out of it, all I ask is that you check your facts before giving us "answers". Thanks.

[DDCecil]

"The only thing dimmer than stupid people are blind stupid people."
- Oleniacz (1986)

WHAT DID I DO THAT WAS SO DAMN STUPID?



It's the repetitive incorrect information you give to our members, which you stand by as if you're an expert yet which is clear to many that you are not.

I was trying to be subtle, but if you want it blunt, there you have it. Check your facts before you post. There is no game called Shadowrunner. The monetary value in Phantasy Star is not Mesta, and Mesta was not used in several other RPG's.

Etc.

That is all.

I thought you posted that because he says the Genesis version of Shadowrun is better than the SNES one LOL

Anyways, on Gokujyou Parodius, on the final stage, is a punk penguin rocking out, with a huge group of penguin moshers. Since they are in the background, they aren't causing any harm.

[Daria]

Shadowrun, Shadowrunner. I think it's pretty obvious which game he was talking about even if he did get the title wrong.

[Famidrive-16]

LOL LOL
Konami idea of punk LOL



Haha, wtf is with that old lady randomly standing there?

btw:

http://www.ebgames.com/ebx_assets/product_images/245955.jpg

hurh hurh

[Ed Oscuro]

LOL LOL
Konami idea of punk LOL
Haha, wtf is with that old lady randomly standing there?
Haha, I just noticed her now that you said that. Balances it perfectly :D

[evildead2099]

Shadowrun, Shadowrunner. I think it's pretty obvious which game he was talking about even if he did get the title wrong.

I agree, and I appreciate that post, regardless of the slight name mix-up.

[Promophile]

Thank you Daria, Evildead. Its good to know there are still a few kind people out there. To be honest I'm shocked that DP attacked me so viciously. I had always respected him and what he has done for the gaming community.

[suckerpunch5]

I think that SNES game "No Escape" had some Punk bad guys in it. If I recall correctly, they were not shown in a positive light. Maybe someone else remembers this?

[digitalpress]

Get over it.

[Promophile]

Get over it.

Yes your majesty, Duke of New York, A number one :king:

[Griking]

I just watched Gremlins on HBO and noticed that one of the bad Gremlins was dressed in a punk outfit. I probably wouldn't have thought twice about it if I didn't read this thread earlier.

[Cirrus]

To be honest I'm shocked that DP attacked me so viciously. I had always respected him and what he has done for the gaming community.

Viciously attacked? This is a message board, not a back alley.

"Had always"? Come on, now.

I think we need to take a chill pill here. If he didn't have a reason to be fed up with you before this, your over reacting would do the trick. Let it go. It's really not a big deal.

Anyway, I agree about Shadowrun being a good example. When I think of "punks" in games, I think of the Shadowrun games... and Final Fight/Streets of Rage. However, I disagree that the SNES version is sucky. :)

[Damion]

erm.. Shadowrunner possibly? The good Gen version, not the sucky SNES one.

I take personal offense to that sir, Dare I say you must be a gaming poser. as anyone that calls themself a "gamer" knows that both had very good and very bad points about them. to say one is not equal in quaility to the other is evidence of someone who clearly thinks that there is such a thing as "Blast Processing" and Belives Sonic clearly represents real life hedgehogs.

I demand your retort sir.



Please take the above statment in a light hearted way :) I meant no real harm by it. I just feel it was silly to say either was better when in alot of ways they were very diffrent.

[evildead2099]

I just watched Gremlins on HBO and noticed that one of the bad Gremlins was dressed in a punk outfit. I probably wouldn't have thought twice about it if I didn't read this thread earlier.

LOL What's also funny is that one of the items which displays below your message looks sort of like a Gremlin (I'm talking about the middle item, which displays text saying "Pet Super Qix" when I point my mouse over it). 8-)

[Promophile]

To be honest I'm shocked that DP attacked me so viciously. I had always respected him and what he has done for the gaming community.

Viciously attacked? This is a message board, not a back alley.

"Had always"? Come on, now.

I think we need to take a chill pill here. If he didn't have a reason to be fed up with you before this, your over reacting would do the trick. Let it go. It's really not a big deal.

Anyway, I agree about Shadowrun being a good example. When I think of "punks" in games, I think of the Shadowrun games... and Final Fight/Streets of Rage. However, I disagree that the SNES version is sucky. :)

SIR YOU HAVE OFFENDED MY HONOR! PISTOLS AT 10 PACES!

[Cirrus]

To be honest I'm shocked that DP attacked me so viciously. I had always respected him and what he has done for the gaming community.

Viciously attacked? This is a message board, not a back alley.

"Had always"? Come on, now.

I think we need to take a chill pill here. If he didn't have a reason to be fed up with you before this, your over reacting would do the trick. Let it go. It's really not a big deal.

Anyway, I agree about Shadowrun being a good example. When I think of "punks" in games, I think of the Shadowrun games... and Final Fight/Streets of Rage. However, I disagree that the SNES version is sucky. :)

SIR YOU HAVE OFFENDED MY HONOR! PISTOLS AT 10 PACES!

Now that's the spirit! :)

[Damion]

To be honest I'm shocked that DP attacked me so viciously. I had always respected him and what he has done for the gaming community.

Viciously attacked? This is a message board, not a back alley.

"Had always"? Come on, now.

I think we need to take a chill pill here. If he didn't have a reason to be fed up with you before this, your over reacting would do the trick. Let it go. It's really not a big deal.

Anyway, I agree about Shadowrun being a good example. When I think of "punks" in games, I think of the Shadowrun games... and Final Fight/Streets of Rage. However, I disagree that the SNES version is sucky. :)

SIR YOU HAVE OFFENDED MY HONOR! PISTOLS AT 10 PACES!

Now that's the spirit! :)

LOL

[evildead2099]

One thing that has been pointed out to me about beat-em ups - a characteristic that I've noticed myself - is that punks tend to attack in squads of clones.

Perhaps that's a deliberate effort at social commentary concerning conformity and the extent to which looks have become manufactured within the punk scene.

Then again, perhaps such cloning techniques were merely a practical way for game developers to deal with scarce RAM :P

[Sotenga]

One thing that has been pointed out to me about beat-em ups - a characteristic that I've noticed myself - is that punks tend to attack in squads of clones.

Perhaps that's a deliberate effort at social commentary concerning conformity and the extent to which looks have become manufactured within the punk scene.

Then again, perhaps such cloning techniques were merely a practical way for game developers to deal with scarce RAM :P

The former perspective is a very interesting theory. I could actually see it as a statement of conformity, now that you mention it.

However, the latter perspective is probably the true one. LOL

[Ed Oscuro]

Art emulating nature by accident, that's all :)

[pragmatic insanester]

is punkshot on any consoles? i'd love to pick it up, but gamefaqs is too busy being a whoreface to match the name with any game.

oh, and does anyone have pics of the intro from "street combat"? great stereotypical punk characters yelling "Yo! My Tank is Fight!" and stuff.

[wberdan]

Punks were pretty much oldschool goths,

No, No! As a former sort of Punk type of guy, I am scandalized by this characterization.
Bah. I got this straight from a professor of mine who'd been a "punk" back in the 80s. I definitely understand your consternation over this rude characterization, but punks and goths have the key similarity of trying to be unique through clothing style. Note also that everybody grows out of it...sort of a teenage thing.

no, only the bullshit people grow out of it.


willie

[Kroogah]

Punks were pretty much oldschool goths,

No, No! As a former sort of Punk type of guy, I am scandalized by this characterization.
Bah. I got this straight from a professor of mine who'd been a "punk" back in the 80s. I definitely understand your consternation over this rude characterization, but punks and goths have the key similarity of trying to be unique through clothing style. Note also that everybody grows out of it...sort of a teenage thing.

no, only the bullshit people grow out of it.


willie

Willie wins this thread.

[Ed Oscuro]

no, only the bullshit people grow out of it.
The good die young, right? LOL

[evildead2099]

is punkshot on any consoles? i'd love to pick it up, but gamefaqs is too busy being a whoreface to match the name with any game.

If you can't get results from Gamefaqs, you might wanna try Mobygames (www.mobygames.com).

[rbudrick]

Punk by definition is by NO MEANS a dignified counter-culture. Why the fuck do you think they are called punks? Punks don't give a fuck about being dignified and anyone who thinks otherwise just dresses llike a punk, and is a fucking wannabe punk. I can dress like a Hell's Angel, but it doesn't mean I am one. I can dress like a girl, it doesn't mean I am one. And I can dress like a skater...doesn't make me one. You haave to BE like one to be one.

Any of you pansies out there that got offended by videogame punks are fucking pansy-ass nancy boy wannabe punk ass bitches, not punks. A true punk would say "Yeah, that's my bros causing some havoc! Kick the hero's fucking balls in! Fuck the system!"

YEAH!

:fist: :moon: :band: \^_^/ :frustrated: :cheers:

Where's the goddamn cocaine and speed smiley?

-Rob

PS. I fucking rule.

If any of you can' t see that I am half joking here, then you really are a pansy asses if you took offense. I'm just making a point.....Lighten up here, people. Joke, got it?

[Tron 2.0]

LOL LOL
Konami idea of punk LOL



Haha, wtf is with that old lady randomly standing there?

btw:

http://www.ebgames.com/ebx_assets/product_images/245955.jpg

hurh hurh
I've been trying to figure that out my self.

Heck then agian that's how any, compeny seen punks during the 80's so it's kind of silly in itself.

[Milk]

The old lady is pissed and is going to smack the Pink Avengers with her broom. Look! She's even biting her lip and scrowling!

[Tron 2.0]

is punkshot on any consoles? i'd love to pick it up, but gamefaqs is too busy being a whoreface to match the name with any game.
Arcade only you could probably mame it or find the pcb of it.

Klov gives a short run down on it.

http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?letter=P&game_id=9157

[Quickclaw]

There was a goth scene before 1976, though most of the events took place in Romania.

[KJN]

Almost surprised nobody has mentioned
http://62.168.142.47/~lemon/covers/full/great_giana_sisters.jpg
yet. The German boxart (http://62.168.142.47/~lemon/covers/full/great_giana_sisters_(disk).jpg), BTW, is quite different.

[evildead2099]

Almost surprised nobody has mentioned
http://62.168.142.47/~lemon/covers/full/great_giana_sisters.jpg
yet. The German boxart (http://62.168.142.47/~lemon/covers/full/great_giana_sisters_(disk).jpg), BTW, is quite different.

"The greatest platform game of all time," huh? :-P

[Milk]

The Great Giana Sisters is a well done game. Amazingly well done. In fact, so well done that Nintendo had to force the authors of this Commodore 64/Amiga classic to stop commercial distribution of the game.

Yeah...that's it. It was just too awesome. Nothing to do with copyright infringement.