SHENMUE 3???

[President Shinron]

Sorry to ask but now that all of the new consoles are coming out and the third still hasnt been relesed so is the third shenmue ever going to come out?

[neuropolitique]

Whaaa? I'm too busy now, go ask somebody else.

[MegaDrive20XX]

Nobody knows, all we know is "Shenmue Online"

[Richter]

Whaaa? I'm too busy now, go ask somebody else.that wasn't even directed specifically at you

[neuropolitique]

that wasn't even directed specifically at you

Oh, I see

[demen999]

Ahh! I wish.

I loved the first two. Hopefully they do that online one as the third.

[PapaStu]

pfft

I'd rather go play some arcade games...

[Ed Oscuro]

that wasn't even directed specifically at you

Oh, I see
LOL at this little exchange

We need more forumers to do that

[evildead2099]

We've covered this topic a couple of times already. Many around here seem to want a 3rd Shenmue, but it seems unlikely that Sega will invest in the creation of such a game considering the public's lukewarm support for the first two Shenmue titles.

[Wavelflack]

I suppose it will happen when Sega is feeling profitable and wants to make a change to that situation.

[goatdan]

I suppose it will happen when Sega is feeling profitable and wants to make a change to that situation.

LOL

[TheRedEye]

Maybe they should make. Another.

[Fuyukaze]

While I and many others would like to see the series finished, the chances are slim. Lets face it folks, it just didnt sell well. While it sold, it didnt sell well enough for the DC sequal to get released states side and the X-box version was hardly a best seller. Most game mags I have read still talk trash about the first. I consider it to be a dead series. It would be nice if we got the online game but I cant help but think chances are slim and none of that happening.

[Jive3D]

I'm going to display blatent disregard for other viewpoints or the feelings of others in the words that follow. ANyone that didnt enjoy the Shenmue games is retarded. The only reason that there was minimal stateside support for Shenmue is that the general public is retarded! They were both excellent games in line of story telling and game detail. Yes, there were slow points, but the pluses far outweighed the minuses. The games were great gaming experiences and it pisses me off to no end that the fate of this game will most likley remain in limbo for eternity. I'm pissed! :angry: But I'm also over it. :P

[Wavelflack]

I've suddenly become retarded.

Please change my username to "Charlie Gordon"

[sharp]

I'm going to display blatent disregard for other viewpoints or the feelings of others in the words that follow. ANyone that didnt enjoy the Shenmue games is retarded. The only reason that there was minimal stateside support for Shenmue is that the general public is retarded! They were both excellent games in line of story telling and game detail. Yes, there were slow points, but the pluses far outweighed the minuses. The games were great gaming experiences and it pisses me off to no end that the fate of this game will most likley remain in limbo for eternity. I'm pissed! :angry: But I'm also over it. :P

I agree, bith were great games, and are underrated by the massmarket. I am still happy that we got the DC-version of part 2 in Europe. It is one of the best gaes I ever played and I think the Shenmue games belong to the dozen of adventure and rpg's I ever completed (ok Shenmue is much more).

Sadly we will never know how the story will end, thanks to the great people who only buy sequals from games which offer the same as the last one. Yes the market wants more Electroni Arts crap, because what the consumer knows he eats and what he don't know he won't eat.

Sad but True.

[WanganRunner]

They were unbelievable games. Shenmue 2 is the best game on Xbox. I was *floored* when I first arrived in Guilin towards the end, just the most beautiful game environment I had ever seen, same for Yokosuka when I first played Shenmue 1.

Shenmue-style titles are the future of RPGs, minus maybe the forklift driving, which honestly, I really thought was fun.

If they don't make a third, I will be positively crushed. I think I'd rather see the continuation of Shenmue than the contiuation of Xenosaga, which says something, because I'm a huge Xenosaga fan.

[fishsandwich]

I, too, am retarded, but I never claimed otherwise.

Shenmue was so boring that a small portion of my brain(about 3%) actually died while I was playing it. Shenmue II didn't kill any brain cells, but that's because I had porn playing on another TV nearby. I'd watch the porn and push random buttons for my chore simulator (Shenmue II) and made it quite far. I think my character fell asleep or went into a coma or something then. Hell if I know. I stopped playing it and took a nap (much more exciting.)

I'd give Shenmue Online a whirl, though.

:D

[Muscelli]

do you know where any sailors hide?

BTW did u guys ever get the alternate ending in shenmue 1 where lan DI kills him?

[evildead2099]

___ was so boring that a small portion of my brain(about 3%) actually died while I was playing it. ... I'd watch the porn and push random buttons ... and made it quite far.

Substitute "made it quite far" with "racked up a shitload of gold and experience points" and you've described my experience playing console-style RPGs like Final Fantasy and Pokemon.

[The Sage of Sega]

"You want to play more Shenmue?"
"Yes."
"Then you'll have to haul ass to China."
"To China?"
"Yes, to China. It's over there." *points*
"Over there?" *points*
"Yes. They have something we don't. It's a Shenmue MMORPG."
"A Shenmue MMORPG?"
"Yes, fer chrissakes. I'll take you there if you want."
"Oh, thank you."
*cue five minutes of staring at someone's back*
"This is it."
"Do you know of any places where sailors hang out?"
"Gah!"

[Graham Mitchell]

I'm going to display blatent disregard for other viewpoints or the feelings of others in the words that follow. ANyone that didnt enjoy the Shenmue games is retarded. The only reason that there was minimal stateside support for Shenmue is that the general public is retarded! They were both excellent games in line of story telling and game detail. Yes, there were slow points, but the pluses far outweighed the minuses. The games were great gaming experiences and it pisses me off to no end that the fate of this game will most likley remain in limbo for eternity. I'm pissed! :angry: But I'm also over it. :P

Shenmue was probably the closest thing we'll ever see to a Snatcher follow up. After Shenmue's "failure", we'll probably never see anything like it again. I'm horribly upset about it.

Shenmue was the only real bit of "evolution" in games that we've seen in maybe 6 years. Everybody's gonna tell me now how great GTA is, I'm sure, but I don't care. My only response is that if GTA is XXX, Shenmue is the Seven Samurai. One is mindless entertainment with cheap jokes, the other is art. Americans don't like art. They like football. And guns. God bless the U.S.A.

[evildead2099]

I'm going to display blatent disregard for other viewpoints or the feelings of others in the words that follow. ANyone that didnt enjoy the Shenmue games is retarded. The only reason that there was minimal stateside support for Shenmue is that the general public is retarded! They were both excellent games in line of story telling and game detail. Yes, there were slow points, but the pluses far outweighed the minuses. The games were great gaming experiences and it pisses me off to no end that the fate of this game will most likley remain in limbo for eternity. I'm pissed! :angry: But I'm also over it. :P

Shenmue was probably the closest thing we'll ever see to a Snatcher follow up. After Shenmue's "failure", we'll probably never see anything like it again. I'm horribly upset about it.

Shenmue was the only real bit of "evolution" in games that we've seen in maybe 6 years. Everybody's gonna tell me now how great GTA is, I'm sure, but I don't care. My only response is that if GTA is XXX, Shenmue is the Seven Samurai. One is mindless entertainment with cheap jokes, the other is art. Americans don't like art. They like football. And guns. God bless the U.S.A.

Speaking of artsy games which happen to come from Sega, have you played Rez?

[Graham Mitchell]

Speaking of artsy games which happen to come from Sega, have you played Rez?

No, I haven't. I've heard some very interesting comments about Rez, but I don't know much about it. What system was it released for?

And while we're at it, (sorry to go OT), I recently learned that Zone of Enders is a Hideo Kojima production (I never would have thought...). Is that game worth checking out as well?

[Nez]

Speaking of artsy games which happen to come from Sega, have you played Rez?

No, I haven't. I've heard some very interesting comments about Rez, but I don't know much about it. What system was it released for?

And while we're at it, (sorry to go OT), I recently learned that Zone of Enders is a Hideo Kojima production (I never would have thought...). Is that game worth checking out as well?

Rez was released for DC as import and in the us the ps2.

I'd like a Shenmue 3 but I would alsolike to see an ending to the series. That way I won't be left with this damn empty feeling.

[InsaneDavid]

I'm going to display blatent disregard for other viewpoints or the feelings of others in the words that follow. ANyone that didnt enjoy the Shenmue games is retarded. The only reason that there was minimal stateside support for Shenmue is that the general public is retarded! They were both excellent games in line of story telling and game detail. Yes, there were slow points, but the pluses far outweighed the minuses. The games were great gaming experiences and it pisses me off to no end that the fate of this game will most likley remain in limbo for eternity. I'm pissed! :angry: But I'm also over it. :P

Shenmue was probably the closest thing we'll ever see to a Snatcher follow up. After Shenmue's "failure", we'll probably never see anything like it again. I'm horribly upset about it.

Shenmue was the only real bit of "evolution" in games that we've seen in maybe 6 years. Everybody's gonna tell me now how great GTA is, I'm sure, but I don't care. My only response is that if GTA is XXX, Shenmue is the Seven Samurai. One is mindless entertainment with cheap jokes, the other is art. Americans don't like art. They like football. And guns. God bless the U.S.A.

Excellent post, +50 Meseta. Microshaft killed any success Shenmue II could have had in the US when they slapped the crippled Sega in the face with a wad of cash to shanghai the US Dreamcast release onto the XBox. There were tons of people waiting for Shenmue II on the DC in the US, but when it was FINALLY released on the XBox the anticipation pretty much faded away. (most Sega/DC hardcore players didn't buy an XBox as poor sales of games like JSRF, Gun Valkyrie, and Panzer Dragoon Orta show)

[Graham Mitchell]

Microshaft killed any success Shenmue II could have had in the US when they slapped the crippled Sega in the face with a wad of cash to shanghai the US Dreamcast release onto the XBox. There were tons of people waiting for Shenmue II on the DC in the US, but when it was FINALLY released on the XBox the anticipation pretty much faded away. (most Sega/DC hardcore players didn't buy an XBox as poor sales of games like JSRF, Gun Valkyrie, and Panzer Dragoon Orta show)

Want to here the stupidest thing I ever did? During the last days of the DC's life span, the local Babbages decided to carry imports. They had, in a beautiful wooden box, the European version of Shenmue II for the DC. I thought about it, and decided to get D2 anyway (what I had originally gone in there to get). I like D2 and all, but man, what was I thinking?

Anyway, since I refuse to buy an Xbox until they're under $100, I've never played Shenmue II. I'll cry you guys a river.

[jp]

I'm... confused.


The original Shenmue was a best seller in the US when it came out and if I recall correctly it sold 400,000+ copies.


Shenmue II was Peter Moore's way of selling the DC fans out to MS so he could get a cushy job there (which he did).

[Graham Mitchell]

I'm... confused.


The original Shenmue was a best seller in the US when it came out and if I recall correctly it sold 400,000+ copies.


Shenmue II was Peter Moore's way of selling the DC fans out to MS so he could get a cushy job there (which he did).

Right, but the amount of research that went into making it cost a ton. If it wasn't for paying Hollywood actors millions of dollars for voice acting in games like "Enter the Matrix", Shenmue would have been the most expensive game to produce in history. To make up for that, Sega needed to sell millions of copies just to break even, which is why multiple games were planned to use the same engine as the first game. Since they spent so much time and money developing it, they figured they'd get more mileage out of it. But, as someone else said, Sega fans don't have like Xbox for some reason, so Shenmue II didn't do so hot.

It's kind of funny...in my opinion the only good games on the Xbox are the Sega games. It's too bad so many of them are exclusive to that machine or they would have sold a lot more.

[ubersaurus]

I'm just not seeing the argument that Shenmue 2 would have been a hit if it was released on the DC in the states.

How did Shenmue 2's sales in the UK and Japan compare to the sales of Shenmue 1? I'm guessing it's not a huge difference if it sold better. Certainly not enough to warrant Sega continuing the franchise.

I mean, look at the time frame. It's release window was at the tail end of the console's life. Moreover, it wasn't a game that appealed to a lot of people-look at the Fliter ratings on G4, your average gamer's forum. Shenmue was listed as one of the best DC games, and one of the worst games. It's a polarizing game-you like it, or you hate it. And there just seems to be more people who didn't like it, compared to people who did. I'm willing to bet those that did buy Shenmue, thought it was dumb and got rid of it, would have had no inclination to get Shenmue 2 on either system.

Don't get me wrong-I wouldn't have minded seeing it on DC in the states, along with Rez, SC5 part 2, and those other games sega moved development to other platforms. But I can't imagine any of them selling much better than they did on those other systems.

[Graham Mitchell]

I'm just not seeing the argument that Shenmue 2 would have been a hit if it was released on the DC in the states.


I don't anything could have saved a dreamcast game at that point. But considering how kind of oddball and widespread the PS2 library has gotten, Shenmue 2 would have probably done nicely on the PS2, and a lot more people would have gotten to play it, simply because the number of users total is much larger. Just my opinion.

[tritium]

I play shenmue to play space harrier =)

-Mel aka tritium

[Nature Boy]

I guess I'm one of the stupid masses, 'cause Shenmue did nothing for me. The idea wasn't a bad one, but the execution stunk. That's some of the worst voice acting I've ever heard. None of the conversations had any flow to them - they were just stiff lines read one after the other.

I avoided Shenmue II like the plague.

[Captain Wrong]

I've suddenly become retarded.

Please change my username to "Charlie Gordon"

Let me just interject to say, that was really funny.


My only response is that if GTA is XXX, Shenmue is the Seven Samurai. One is mindless entertainment with cheap jokes, the other is art. Americans don't like art. They like football. And guns. God bless the U.S.A.

You know, as a gamer who enjoyed both, I really resent generalizations like this.

And though I did enjoy Shenmue, I can understand why the game didn't catch on with the public (American or Japanese, I don't think it was exactly burning up the sales charts in the land of the rising sun either.) It has nothing to do with any simple stereotypes of the "typical" gamer and everything to do with the fact that Shenmue was long, plodding and ponderous. Let's face it, you don't even really start doing anything until well into the second disc, long after most people would probably lose patience with it.

Add to that the fact that it was released later in the life span of a console most people had written off (rightly or wrongly.) Also, I don't think the hype surrounding the game helped it either. I think people grew resentful of the "this is art, dammit!" circus surrounding the game.

I liked Shenmue a lot but, sorry kids, it's a flawed game at best. That's why the game didn't do so well. It's not that people aren't sophisticated enough to "get it." It's that from any objective viewpoint, the game has some problems that only the people really into it are going to get past.

That said, Shenmue 3? Not bloody likely.

[Graham Mitchell]

Hey, guys, I don't like every artsy thing that comes along either. I didn't mean to imply that Shenmue is for people with a higher level of intelligence, or that GTA is for dribbling retards. Art (and all games are art) is subjective, and you don't need to be offended or resentful if you didn't like something and somebody else did. I didn't mean to offend anybody with my comments. But it is my opinion and I stand by it. Fair? :)

In regards to the Captain's comments, I agree that Shenmue isn't perfect, but I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it flawed. It's not broken like Impossible Mission for the 7800. The fun is just in the details. You need to take you time and be into exploring in order to enjoy Shenmue. That doesn't mean you should waste your time knocking on every door in the game. It's all about buying the little toys in the vending machine, or playing darts in the shipyard. The great thing about the game is that the excess time for wasting is built into the game, such that while you're farting around at the arcade or building up your fighting reportoire, you're also waiting for the next event in the game. A lot of people complained that it was boring, and that nothing happens, and I can't help but wonder if they understood that something wasn't supposed to be happening every second. This was the issue with every one of my friends who trash-talked that game. I'm not trying to insult or anyone, or imply that they're too dumb to figure out how to play a game; it's just what I noticed.

Also, is voice acting really all that important? If it sucks, turn it off. That's what I do in most games, including Shenmue. I wouldn't let that ruin a game for me.

[SoulBlazer]

I don't mind if a third game never gets made -- but at LEAST post the rest of the story somewhere so we know how it &*(!@)_#$ ends! That SO pissed me off to finish Shenume II, a game I really enjoyed, and see that stupid 'to be continued' ending without ANY kind of resolution or finale. Even the Xenosaga and .hack games have nice endings that both tie things up and set the stage for later. This had NOTHING! :angry: :angry: :angry:

[Wavelflack]

I suppose they could release "Shenmue 3" on a 1.44 floppy and tie up loose ends.

It would be a text adventure.

10 REM SHENMUE 3
20 PRINT "RYU HAZUKI AT SOME DIRT AT THE HIROSHIMA MEMORIAL AND SUBSEQUENTLY DIED."
30 GOTO 20

[Captain Wrong]

Hey, guys, I don't like every artsy thing that comes along either. I didn't mean to imply that Shenmue is for people with a higher level of intelligence, or that GTA is for dribbling retards. Art (and all games are art) is subjective, and you don't need to be offended or resentful if you didn't like something and somebody else did. I didn't mean to offend anybody with my comments. But it is my opinion and I stand by it. Fair? :)

It's all good. I usually agree with your posts, and I wasn't trying to single you out, I've just noticed a strong elitist vibe going on here at DP lately that's really been getting on my nerves. Not saying you're a part of it, but it just hit me at the wrong time. :)

[Graham Mitchell]

Hey, guys, I don't like every artsy thing that comes along either. I didn't mean to imply that Shenmue is for people with a higher level of intelligence, or that GTA is for dribbling retards. Art (and all games are art) is subjective, and you don't need to be offended or resentful if you didn't like something and somebody else did. I didn't mean to offend anybody with my comments. But it is my opinion and I stand by it. Fair? :)

It's all good. I usually agree with your posts, and I wasn't trying to single you out, I've just noticed a strong elitist vibe going on here at DP lately that's really been getting on my nerves. Not saying you're a part of it, but it just hit me at the wrong time. :)

That's cool. I will admit that the day I wrote that, I was taking my national boards exam the next day. I was pretty pissed off with the world at that point. I'm normally way more accepting than that (shit, I have to be. I love Deadly Towers!) :D

[sabre2922]

I gave Shenmue a chance becuase of two names Sega and YU SUZUKI :hail: and I have to admit that into the first 10 minutes of the game I was like well its ok but then I found myself enthralled in what the great Yu Suzuki had created and the overall vision that he tried to share with us gamers.

Shenmue is not one of those "yeah i kinda liked it" games its a love or hate type of game you either love or hate the game man ;) I happen to be one of those that love the Shenmue games and while I hate to catagorize or "label" fellow gamers (not on this board mind you) but the mass of casual gamers out there who make or break a potential franchise would much rather plunk down another $50 for another copy of Madden that has a couple tweaks and stat updates than to give something new or different a chance.

Yes I luved GTA3 and still do Vice City was OK but SA well I wont get into that here.

My point is this: Im the type of gamer who likes good or great games and no matter what anyone tries to say about Shenmue it is at the very least a good game.

I Think it is one of the most revolutionary games in the last 10 years right along with games like the Metal Gear Series(Solid on PSX is when this series really showed what Hideo had invisioned for the MSX/NES original), GTA3 , ICO and yes I think Shenmue is a great game and an Excellent series just as I KNOW that the Dreamcast was one of the greatest Home game consoles ever made and sadly they have suffered the same fate. :sob: It is time to accept that we will never see Shenmue 3 :(

I hope that Im proven wrong