Buyer's trust and Seller's honesty (was: Sealed TMNT 3)

[TeddyRuxpin]

I'm continuing his discussion here since the other topic was locked due to the item benig sold:
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63604


You sure thats a good seal? Hard to tell with that pic.

Many telltale signs are there that it's the original shrinkwrap. The shrinkwrap generally feels old, it has the (yellowed) plastic hanger that Nintendo put on the back of games so they could hang on the racks, it has very old sticky on the front of the shrinkwrap from a store's price tag being removed a long time ago. Plus the box has no edge wear as if it had been out of shrinkwrap, banged up and then put back in.

Equipped with all the above knowledge about it, I listed it as factory sealed. I have no reason to beleive it's not nor should a buyer have any doubt. I have zero negative feedback on ebay. The one neutral I have, is from a *seller* that *I* bought from and they were just being rude because I questioned their shipping policy.


With that feedback you can trust he would mail it to you. Feedback doesn't cover knowledge of subject matter.

Sure it does. If I sell you something and a major detail about it is wrong (ie: sealed status of a game) would you want to keep it or would you want to do a return? Just for the sake of argument let's say I refused to accept a return of the still newly sealed game. You can just leave a neutral or negative feedback saying I sold you a re-sealed game as original factory sealed and I refused to make up for my mistake.

Plus you're overlooking the fact that many of my sales have been video games and systems. I'm not a random person selling something that I know nothing about.


Besides, all sealed games are really reseals in this forum
Have you physically held and inspected the TMNT3 I sold last night? If not, then you have no right to make that claim.


With 153 !00% positive feedback, I would trust it.
Glad to see SOME buyer-seller trust still exists.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

Besides, all sealed games are really reseals in this forum


Have you physically held and inspected the TMNT3 I sold last night? If not, then you have no right to make that claim.

I don't think that was a personal jab at you. It's just every time someone puts up a sealed game for auction around here someone else cries foul on it and says it's a reseal.

[TeddyRuxpin]

I don't think that was a personal jab at you. It's just every time someone puts up a sealed game for auction around here someone else cries foul on it and says it's a reseal.

This is the picture I included on the listing. Take note of the discolored plastic hanger sticking up from the back of it and the dusty/dirty old sticky from a price tag removed a long time ago below "Konami" at the top.

It would take a lot of work to emulate old sticky that's no longer sticky to the touch at all, but still clings to dust. And I'd have had to somehow find a discolored plastic hanger from a real sealed NES game and make it stick to shrinkwrap.

And then there's the fact that if you look at my recent feedback and the pictures of the items on the listings, you'll see that all my ebay sale pictures are taken on a dark wood surface with a white wall and molding behind it, so there's not much chance that I 'stole' the picture from another listing. Plus my store [linked in sig] has the same setting for pictures.

http://i20.ebayimg.com/04/i/04/53/58/3e_1_b.JPG

[Super Mario Fan]

I'm continuing his discussion here since the other topic was locked due to the item benig sold:
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63604

Why did you have to continue this if it got locked? You have nothing to prove to anyone. If it's not a reseal, then you're honest. If it is a reseal, then you're dishonest. That's all there is to it. Once someone sees the picture they are set into two distinctive groups, those who think it's original, and those who don't. You aren't going to change anyones opinion by making a seemingly useless thread trying to vindicate your reputation when it isn't even damaged.

[TeddyRuxpin]

Why did you have to continue this if it got locked? You have nothing to prove to anyone.

The topic was locked before I was able to give any reply to the implication that I might be a dishonest seller. That could easily impact someone wanting to buy from me here, my web based store or even ebay if they think I claim things are factory sealed but really aren't.

I think everyone should have the right to start a new thread in order to continue a locked one (that was locked just due to the fact that the item was sold and nothing else) in order to defend themselves from a rude reply directed at their reputation as an honest seller.

[TEXASGAMEPLAYER]

I believe you and would buy from you!!

[Super Mario Fan]

Why did you have to continue this if it got locked? You have nothing to prove to anyone.

The topic was locked before I was able to give any reply to the implication that I might be a dishonest seller. That could easily impact someone wanting to buy from me here, my web based store or even ebay if they think I claim things are factory sealed but really aren't.

I think everyone should have the right to start a new thread in order to continue a locked one (that was locked just due to the fact that the item was sold and nothing else) in order to defend themselves from a rude reply directed at their reputation as an honest seller.

But you only had one person call you a fake, and right after that someone defended you. If the moderators thought you should defend yourself, they would have left the topic open for discussion. But they didn't so unless your feedback says: "RESEALS GAMES AND SELLS THEM", then no one here has the right to say that you do. I'm pretty sure the majority of the people here think that, as well.

[Griking]

Besides, all sealed games are really reseals in this forum
Have you physically held and inspected the TMNT3 I sold last night? If not, then you have no right to make that claim.


I'm sorry, I was just being sarcastic and wasn't being serious when I said that. It seems like every time someone posts a thread here about a sealed game of some sort someone else questions if its truely factory shrinkwrapped or re-wrapped which is exactly what happened with your auction.

[Buyatari]

The topic was locked before I was able to give any reply to the implication that I might be a dishonest seller

I'd never come off and say you were dishonest. Your feedback is a testament to that. I never said you were resealing games or would knowingly sell resealed games. I believe many resealed games are sold with out anyone , the buyer or seller, knowing the difference.

To me the shrikwrap still doesn't look right. Its too baggy in the top maybee its the angle. All those little fold lines along the top are new to me and make me think its not the same type of shrink material. I am no expert on sealed NES so I was simply asking the question. I never beat around the bush if I thought you were ripping people off I would have just said that. I don't think that and never thought that.

[Buyatari]

It seems like every time someone posts a thread here about a sealed game of some sort someone else questions if its truely factory shrinkwrapped or re-wrapped which is exactly what happened with your auction.

This is good. It should be discussed. Is a game sealed or resealed, this is a question many gamers have. If they are unsure, they don't bid and some stay away from sealed games altogether for this reason alone. Since the auction was over I asked not to deter buyers from bidding but to understand why it looks wrong to me and may still be authentic. Its possible I need to change my view of how it should look. If so discussions like this with people who know more than I are the only way it will change.

Adam

[Buyatari]

Buyer's trust and Seller's honesty (was: Sealed TMNT 3)

Subject should be "How can anyone tell 100% a game is factory sealed" this has nothing to do with honesty.

[TeddyRuxpin]

To me the shrikwrap still doesn't look right. Its too baggy in the top maybee its the angle.

Take a complete NES game with all paperwork and make sure the paperwork is all the way down in the front of the box. Now push it on the upper top gently and see how much it can push in.

And there you have it, the cause of the sag you see in the shrinkwrap. The box is pushed in a bit. LOL

[Griking]

It seems like every time someone posts a thread here about a sealed game of some sort someone else questions if its truely factory shrinkwrapped or re-wrapped which is exactly what happened with your auction.

This is good. It should be discussed. Is a game sealed or resealed, this is a question many gamers have. If they are unsure, they don't bid and some stay away from sealed games altogether for this reason alone. Since the auction was over I asked not to deter buyers from bidding but to understand why it looks wrong to me and may still be authentic. Its possible I need to change my view of how it should look. If so discussions like this with people who know more than I are the only way it will change.

Adam

I work at a Staples and in our stores we have sensor tags that are attached to every item valued at $20 or more. The way it's supposed to work is that when you pay for an item the sensor tage is deactivated by the checkout clerk and the customer goes off on their merry way with their purchase. If someone walks out the door with an item that isn't deactivated the door alarm goes off attracting the attention of all employees and management.

What does this have to do with this topic?

Well as I said earlier, the process that I just described is the way it's supposed to work. In reality though what really happens is that many times the checkout clerk forgets to deactivate the sensor tag and the alarms go off even when a customer makes a legitimate purchase. To make matters worse, employees routinely walk around the store with product in their hands while stocking shelves and sometimes get too close to the door which again activates the alarms. Its gotten to the point that most employees don't even pay attention when the alarms go aff any more because they seem to go off every half hour but this defeats the purpose of having the alarms in the first place.

This is about where I'm at when it comes to people scrutinizing factory game seals around here. It happens so routinely all it really does is become an annoying background noise.

[suppafly]

Next time you might want to include a picture of the back of the box too. That would scare away all nay-sayers