THE Ultimate Question!

[Gemini-Phoenix]

This has got to be the ultimate question, regardless of whether you are a collector, or simply buying a game to play yourself...

We all have our thoughts regarding this issue, but thought it's about time we had a clear and decisive answer from everyone's point of view.


Question: What would you class as a "Brand New" game?


I, along with many others no doubt, will class a game as "Brand New" ONLY if it is sealed in it's original cellophane.

A game which is not sealed I do not class as brand new, even if it is by all technical definition.



Example One: Release day.

You buy a game at 10am on release day, take it home, and decide you don't like it, so return ita few hours later.

Now, is that game still considered "Brand New"? The retailer technically shouldn't resell that game as "Brand New" because it has been played, but could rightly do so as technically it is a "Newly Released" game, and it is still day of release...



Example Two: Older "New" games.

Take GameBoy Advance games for the sake of example. A game which was perhaps released a full year ago, but has remained unsold all this time.

Even though it is still on sale in the shop, would you consider it as "Brand New" simply for the fact that it has not been sold previously?

The game box may have encountered hundreds of fingers, as well as amassed much dirt and dust from being stored on teh shop shelf. It may actually be a bit tatty as well, but would youaccept it as "New"?



Example Three: Reseals

A sealed game's case has been accidently damaged in storage or on the shop shelf.. The staff have then unsealed it, replaced the damaged case, and then resealed the game with shrinkwrap.

Would you still consider this as being "Brand New"?

[anagrama]

edit: can't be bothered.

[Kid Ice]

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What would you class as a "Brand New" game?

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

Because someone had to say it:

42

[NESVIDIOT]

Brand New is just that- the way it was originally released at the retail level. It can be 20 years old, but if it is factory sealed with shelf wear then it is Brand New.
Unlike some of the CRAZY sellers on E-bay who say Brand New- then you receive the item that has been opened, but is in great shape, maybe never played, possibly missing 1 little thing, it is NOT new. Mint maybe but not new.
Like Electronics Boutique- which opens All their shelf stock for display, which I will not buy if I want New, I think even this deems the game not new as human hands have touched it before mine have, and I am the one laying down the cash for a new game.
New means New

[Moon Patrol]

Its not new unless it has that new smell with it. You cannot, by any means, call a game new if its in mint condition and NOT sealed. It implies that there has been some sort of use since the seal has been broken off of it. Once the seal is broken, a game can only be classified by the Mint/Near Mint/ Very Good etc. class, and not by "BRAND NEW!1111"

[Slimedog]

If it ain't got the seal, it ain't got appeal.

Seriously, I don't collect brand new, or even technically complete. I just need the box, game and instructions (+maps where applicable) and thats good enough for my shelf.

[Cauterize]

Hell i bought an Import version of Jewel Master with chocolate on the cover!

Im not bothered one bit! To me a game is a game! (As long as it works!)

[norkusa]

Because someone had to say it:

42

Nice one, PDF. Beat me to it. LOL

[orrimarrko]

I actually don't agree that a game can't be brand new if it's not sealed.

I equate "Brand New/New" with "Never Used." A game can be sealed or not sealed and still be in pristine, mint condition.

You could say, "Brand New with original factory seal" or "Brand New without original factory seal."

All that matters is if it the contents are in anyway altered from their original condition.

If I buy a sealed copy of Stack Up and open it, but never play it, it's still "new". It still hasn't been used; not altered from it's orginal condition.

The outer wrapping doesn't change that fact.

I feel that "sealed" is it's own distinction; it's own category.

New = Not Used
(This means that the whole thing is as minty as can be, but not sealed)

Sealed = Not Opened
(This doesn't necessarily imply that you're getting anything but the game in mint condition.)

A "sealed" game's packaging can be in minty condition just as easily as shitty condition. Ever see a sealed game with the wrap looking like it's about to discintegrate? Or just plain beat to hell?

The game is still new, but who cares if it's sealed in this case. The packaging was used to scrub the floor. ;)

Anyway, this is just how I look at it.

I equate it to a car. Let's say I go to a showroom and pick out a "new" car.

No one has owned it, or even used it for that matter. So, for me, it's "new". It may have some miles on it from other test drivers, but that doesn't mean that it's still not a "new" car.

If you equate the same arguement used for "Sealed = New" in this example, the car would have to have shrinkwrap on it at the dealership for it to be a "new" car.

Silly.

Just remember that buying "Sealed" games is a means to TRY to ensure that the contents are in complete working order. People have an innate fear that if it's not sealed, then something must be wrong with it.

If you're at the counter and the clerk removes the shrink wrap in front of you, does that mean it's now a used game?

Of course not.

New = Not Used
Sealed = Not Opened

Just my opinion.

Steve

[fishsandwich]

Brand New = Just like it left the factory floor with original shrinkwap

Cut and dry. Bag and Tag. Period.

Anything else is "Almost Like New" or "Open But Never Played" (stupid) or "Brand New but box is a little crushed" or "Near Mint" or "Complete in excellent condition"

But Brand New only means one thing.

:D

[Snapple]

The only way you could call a game new is if it's in the original packaging, sealed.

That's not to say I *care* to buy sealed games, but it has to be new to be sealed.

I prefer used, or used and complete.

[goatdan]

And I always thought that the answer to the Ultimate Question was 42...

[Gemini-Phoenix]

Brand New is just that- the way it was originally released at the retail level. It can be 20 years old, but if it is factory sealed with shelf wear then it is Brand New.

Summed up quite well there. My exact way of thinking.

You could have a sealed copy of Final Fantasy VII in 20 years time, which has endured a few cracks and knocks, yet it will still be brand new!

Put next to a similar unsealed copy which has been kicking around a game shop store cupboard for the same length of time... There's no comparison!


eBay sellers are still allowed to get away with claiming that unsealed, or resealed games are brand new.


Take PAL Metal Gear Solid III for example - Although sealed ones are few and far between, many sellers still sell their unsealed copies as "Brand New - Never Played" - But they cannot guarantee the game is unplayed just as much as you can't tell if it has or not.


HMV for example - Ofetn play Cd's in store, and then plonk them back on the shelves. They'll also gladly tak back returns (Bought by mistake most people claim) and they'll put them out to be sold again - Which I believe is wrong.



Like Electronics Boutique- which opens All their shelf stock for display, which I will not buy if I want New, I think even this deems the game not new as human hands have touched it before mine have, and I am the one laying down the cash for a new game.
New means New

And in the same post, you totally acknowledged my exact way of thinking! Nice one!

I cannot believe that they can get away with this business practice still. especially seeing as they expect people to pay up to £44.99 (Ok, in the most extreme circumstance) for a game.

If i'm paying my hard earned cash on something that costs that much, i'm going to make sure the product I buy is 100% perefct. Hell, I expect them to clean my boots while they are at it for the kind of money I spend on my games! :)


And I know what you mean about the difference between "Mint" and "New" - Just because it is bought from a <Ahem> "Respectable" retailer, it does not necessarily mean the product is "new". The only sure fire way to guarantee that a game is 100% new is to make sure you only buy sealed games.

[SlayerOfFurbies]

what about systems?

in most cases(other then current gen consoles) they didn't have a seal

[Videogamerdaryll]

Sealed. It's not new unless it's sealed

[Gemini-Phoenix]

If you saw a NES game on sale in your local GameStation advertised as brand new, but it wasn't sealed, would you believe them?

Likewise, if you found a copy of Suikoden for sale in GAME (Albeit with a £100 price tag) but it wasn't sealed, but they claim it was in storage in their back room all along - Would you believe them? Even if the game was minty mint mint?


As for systems - a lot are usually sealed. PlayStations usually have a PlayStation foil strip over the opening, and I know most Nintendo consoles have circular stickers with "Nintendo" written on them which are also placed over the opening flaps


I think so far, the poll is pretty conclusive. This makes for great college case study material if nothing else (To anyone out there who wanted to base a thesis on this phenomenon)

[Kuros]

Working at a Gamestop, I get this a lot from some customers, but here is my take on it.

New means one of two things to me:

1. The game is factory sealed

2. We had to gut the game, but it has never been played.

When someone asks for a new game, I always give them the first option first. It's the last unlucky soul that gets the gut copy, but most of the time they don't really care.

The people that bother me are the ones that are super anal about USED items. I've had some people say they won't buy a used item because of one tiny scratch. Seriously, just easy up. :roll:

[Gemini-Phoenix]

The people that bother me are the ones that are super anal about USED items. I've had some people say they won't buy a used item because of one tiny scratch. Seriously, just easy up. :roll:

I am lucky that I know the people who work in my local GAME quite well, and they know fine well not to even suggest giving me a game that isn't sealed.

I have to laugh everytime they get a newbie working there - A quick nudge and wink to one of the others, and then the fun starts as I get into role and badger him / her about all sorts!

You should see the others chuckling to themselves, and how much of a fluster the n00b gets into! Lol! LOL


But yeah, I am anal about such things as slightly torn cellophane of all things! Especially if I am buying off eBay... God help anyone who sends me a game in a jiffy (Resulting in it getting cracked) or worse - An unsealed game instead of a sealed copy!!!

This happened this morning, which is actually the main reason for creating this thread - So that I can send the seller a link so that he can see that I am not the only person who believes that "Brand New" means sealed...

[Kuros]

The people that bother me are the ones that are super anal about USED items. I've had some people say they won't buy a used item because of one tiny scratch. Seriously, just easy up. :roll:

I am lucky that I know the people who work in my local GAME quite well, and they know fine well not to even suggest giving me a game that isn't sealed.

I have to laugh everytime they get a newbie working there - A quick nudge and wink to one of the others, and then the fun starts as I get into role and badger him / her about all sorts!

You should see the others chuckling to themselves, and how much of a fluster the n00b gets into! Lol! LOL


But yeah, I am anal about such things as slightly torn cellophane of all things! Especially if I am buying off eBay... God help anyone who sends me a game in a jiffy (Resulting in it getting cracked) or worse - An unsealed game instead of a sealed copy!!!

This happened this morning, which is actually the main reason for creating this thread - So that I can send the seller a link so that he can see that I am not the only person who believes that "Brand New" means sealed...

Well, I can understand that new = sealed

But used... some people expect used to equal new, which of course isn't the case. I wish that GS had to require cases and manuals for games, it would make selling them easier.

[Gemini-Phoenix]

American games are what piss me off the most.

Take American GameBoy Advance games for example - Unlike their European counterparts, they are simply shrinkwrapped. Whereas here we get nice thicker cellophane and an official red Nintendo tear strip.

This also helps identify the game as being legit, and not one of those dodgy Hongy Kongy copies.


Also, PS1 games - How many people on eBay advertise really rare games like Star Ocean II or FFVII as "Factory Sealed" when in fact they are shrinkwrapped!

I bet that if you took the top five examples of a particular game, then at least three of them will have been resealed... And it shows in the final prices, as the (Obviously) resealed games tend to finish a lot lower than the proper sealed ones.


I also think there is a bigger "Sealed collecting" culture in the US than there is in the UK. Probably due to the fact that America is a lot bigger, and production runs are a lot higher.

A majority of sealed games (Ie, PAL Snes or PAL Saturn Etc) would probably be in the hands of private collector's here, whereas in the US there are probably specialist shops who still stock sealed NES games and the like...

[Gemini-Phoenix]

American games are what piss me off the most.

Take American GameBoy Advance games for example - Unlike their European counterparts, they are simply shrinkwrapped. Whereas here we get nice thicker cellophane and an official red Nintendo tear strip.

This also helps identify the game as being legit, and not one of those dodgy Hongy Kongy copies.


Also, PS1 games - How many people on eBay advertise really rare games like Star Ocean II or FFVII as "Factory Sealed" when in fact they are shrinkwrapped!

I bet that if you took the top five examples of a particular game, then at least three of them will have been resealed... And it shows in the final prices, as the (Obviously) resealed games tend to finish a lot lower than the proper sealed ones.


I also think there is a bigger "Sealed collecting" culture in the US than there is in the UK. Probably due to the fact that America is a lot bigger, and production runs are a lot higher.

A majority of sealed games (Ie, PAL Snes or PAL Saturn Etc) would probably be in the hands of private collector's here, whereas in the US there are probably specialist shops who still stock sealed NES games and the like...

[FantasiaWHT]

Not quite an option for how I feel...

There is a difference between "new" and "sealed"

"Brand New" simply means a game has not been USED- in this case, played. If it's been bought and returned, it's not new anymore. But if the case has been opened and the disc removed... but not PLAYED... then the game is still NEW.

A game can be new but not sealed.

[drewbrim]

Example One: Release day.

You buy a game at 10am on release day, take it home, and decide you don't like it, so return ita few hours later.

At what store is this possible?

[phreak97]

I think 'NEW' and 'BRAND NEW' are not the same.

Brand New means factory sealed in a pristine condition box.

A New game can be anything from Brand New to a single cart in good condition. if someone buys a game, throws out the box when they get it home, then sells the game after a day or two, i would still say the game is new, but it is definately far from brand new.

[njiska]

Because someone had to say it:

42


And I always thought that the answer to the Ultimate Question was 42...

Damn right, but the closest thing we have to the ultimate question is "What do you get when you multiply 6 by 9?"

6x9=42? No one writes jokes in base 8 math.