View Full Version : Propeller Arena: Let's Buy It
buttasuperb
01-12-2003, 10:07 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15114&item=3000386471
Dp posted about this being up on ebay in the protos in the news thread. I don't know about the rest of you, but I really want to play this game, and I can't afford to buy it myself.
I think anyone here that is interested in having this game, should pool their money together, and let's try to buy it. Then someone here who has the know how, can rip it and burn it for everyone who pitched in.
I know some here are totally against burned games, and so am I for any official releases, but c'mon this could be the only chance to play this game.
Lexicon
01-12-2003, 10:10 PM
I'm for it and would be willing to chip in some dough. It'd be the only way I'd ever get to play this game and I imagine it would be the same for most people. Anybody else up for it?
Chunky
01-12-2003, 10:19 PM
I'm in.
Queen Of The Felines
01-12-2003, 10:20 PM
I'm in if I end up losing that Rescue Terra I auction (which ends two days before this one).
Kristine
NESCollector75
01-12-2003, 10:35 PM
what if everybody chipped in to buy it, then after some one made copies for everybody, we resell it and get most our money back? Cause we couldn't decide who would get to keep the original right!
BUT: don't you need something special to play proto games? Also you need something to play copies right?
buttasuperb
01-12-2003, 10:39 PM
what if everybody chipped in to buy it, then after some one made copies for everybody, we resell it and get most our money back? Cause we couldn't decide who would get to keep the original right!
actually i was thinking about that, and you have a pretty good idea.
first we gotta see if we can get more people involved, there is still awhile to go on the auction.
Kid Fenris
01-12-2003, 11:10 PM
How much would each of us have to pony up?
And for those wondering what Propeller Arena is . . .
http://sega.gamerweb.com/previews/dreamcast/proparena.asp
http://www.gamingworldx.com/features/gnp-propar.shtml
http://dreamcast.hotgames.com/games/propel/review.htm
buttasuperb
01-12-2003, 11:11 PM
not sure how much that thing is worth, it seems ebay took it down.
Buyatari
01-12-2003, 11:22 PM
Well getting a DC proto to work isn't that simple.
I'm afraid you need the system 2 disk. These aren't CDRs they are GDRs. There are several high profile DC protos floating around in collectors hands and for some reason no one has been able to do copy one for play without a system disk so far.
I do have an extra DC system 2 disk but I'm waiting till I find someone with an extra unreleased proto.
BTW: There is a good chance that you may be able to play Propeller Area at this years Philly Classic.
Adam
Butta did you happen to get the sellers name?
CPUWIZ
01-12-2003, 11:23 PM
Gosh, I wonder why ? :roll:
digitalpress
01-13-2003, 07:28 AM
I know the guys at oldergames.com - if you're serious about buying this I'll hook ya up.
portnoyd
01-13-2003, 09:31 AM
Well getting a DC proto to work isn't that simple.
I'm afraid you need the system 2 disk. These aren't CDRs they are GDRs. There are several high profile DC protos floating around in collectors hands and for some reason no one has been able to do copy one for play without a system disk so far.
Of course, you could rip it, and pass it on to the DC dev community. They're probably better equiped to patch the thing than we are.
dave
buttasuperb
01-13-2003, 10:52 AM
Damn, I'd love to buy it, but of course I don't have that type of money.
Hopefully whoever gets it, rips it and releases it for all to play.
portnoyd
01-13-2003, 10:56 AM
What is he asking? A grand?
dave
buttasuperb
01-13-2003, 11:06 AM
Dunno, but I would imagine it's somewhere around there.
Opening bid for the auction was 500
Buyatari
01-13-2003, 11:47 AM
Thats ALOT for a DC proto.
A Half-ife life just exchanged hands for HALF of that.
Half-life for half the price.
Haha I crack me up.
Adam
Oobgarm
01-13-2003, 11:52 AM
I'll be willing to put in my fair share, if not more.
udisi
01-13-2003, 12:15 PM
I'd be interested, and BA if you just bought Half-life for $500, I'm gonna strangle you, you lucking bastard :D
TheRedEye
01-13-2003, 12:23 PM
Oldergames is selling this? Well...I'll try to be as objective as possible here, but you might want to read these (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=theredeye.net&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=20020903135015.15152.00001196%40mb-fy.aol.com&rnum=3) two (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=theredeye.net&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=20021114161425.23871.00005134%40mb-mm.aol.com&rnum=2) threads.
After selling me Super Mario's Wacky Worlds for $1,000, swearing that it was the only one and that he would copy it for no one, he offers copies for trade as "his little secret."
I've let him know, also, that my only interest in obtaining this game was to distribute it for free, and he refuses to help me copy it. First he claimed that he heard "from four different people" that I was trying to sell copies of the game for $20 each. Which is kind of weird considering that I said that to approximately zero people. He said, though, that it was cool with him, that "that's business," and then tried to ask for compensation on copies. After I paid him $1,000 fucking dollars for the original. Then he said that he wouldn't help because he thought I'd bootleg his other releases or something. Yeah. It's so worth my time to burn copies of Go.
To be fair, the only way he knows how to copy the game is using software that he wrote. I suppose it's unfair of me to ask for a copy of his software, so I'll drop that. But trying to trade off a copy behind my back like that isn't cool. When I asked for help, he even offered ME another copy in exchange for an unreleased game. That's right. I pay him $1,000 for the original, and he has the balls to ask for an unreleased game in exchange for a copy that he can make at any time of a game I ALREADY PAID HIM WAY TOO MUCH FOR.
So beware. You might pay hundreds for this thing, and then a few months later find it being sold and traded for cheap. "That's business."
Buyatari
01-13-2003, 12:54 PM
Yeah I remember that whole deal.
After the first time Oldergames offered it on eBay he pulled it and I emailed him about it. He was straightforward with me and told me he had 2 copies and thats in the end why I didn't buy it when he relisted it.
Didn't 4 of you guys pull your money together to buy it? Why should he care what you do with it after he has sold it? Or are you saying you tried and couldn't copy it and asked for his help. Can't blame him for helping or not helping you , while it sucks, it is his right I guess.
Anyway the Dreamcast protos are a little different. If he has an original, they come on official orange Sega Dreamcast GDRs. And if you did manage to copy it in such a manner that it would work on a retail DC without the system disk, the disk itself would look 100% different. You can tell an offical DC proto right away.
The Mario you bought was basiclly a CDR wasn't it? Who can tell the copy from the original? Not me, thats for sure.
Propeller Arena isn't that hard to come by. Of all unreleased DC protos that I know of this one exisits in more collector hands than any other. I know of at least 4 others. I am working out a deal with someone right now as a matter of fact. I was worried there for a minute that it was him who posted it on Ebay. I never realized that Propeller Arena was that big a deal to you guys. No one has ever mentioned it before. All I ever hear from you guys is Half-Life and Casltevania.
The Half-life was PAL and I passed on it as I don't collect PAL. I believe it sold for 300-350 pounds.
Adam
portnoyd
01-13-2003, 01:02 PM
Anyway the Dreamcast protos are a little different. If he has an original, they come on official orange Sega Dreamcast GDRs. And if you did manage to copy it in such a manner that it would work on a retail DC without the system disk, the disk itself would look 100% different. You can tell an offical DC proto right away.
Unless he sells the original after ripping it to an ISO. I'm sure if he wrote code to rip CDi stuff, he can manage to rip GDRs easily enough.
dave
buttasuperb
01-13-2003, 01:04 PM
Well the picture shown in the auction seemed to be an orange sega gdr.
I don't care about owning the original proto, I leave that for the more serious collectors. I just want to play the game, it looked like it would have been one of the DC's best.
Maybe somehow I'll find a copy of it.
Buyatari
01-13-2003, 01:53 PM
Unless he sells the original after ripping it to an ISO. I'm sure if he wrote code to rip CDi stuff, he can manage to rip GDRs easily enough.
dave
I think he tried and couldn't but I may be wrong. Anyway my point is from a collectors standpoint the original will always be the original and thus still collectable. When you make mass copies of a generic CDR whos to say which is the original ?
As far as gaming goes. No it doesn't matter if the copies look nothing like the original. You guys get to play a great game for a now dead system. I just don't believe anyone has been able to do it yet.
Adam
portnoyd
01-13-2003, 02:03 PM
It would depend on how the GDR is encrypted. If the GDR can be read by a retail DC, but not played, then you should be able to read it, in the crudest form, by hooking your DC up to the serial port on a PC. (I may be dead wrong on this, but this is how the original ISOs were made from for DC *I think*). If the GDR can't even be read without the System Disk, then that would be a problem.
Sure the original is still collectible after dumping/releasing, but not nearly as much. Part of the collectibility is having a game no one has played.
dave
TheRedEye
01-13-2003, 02:40 PM
Didn't 4 of you guys pull your money together to buy it? Why should he care what you do with it after he has sold it? Or are you saying you tried and couldn't copy it and asked for his help. Can't blame him for helping or not helping you , while it sucks, it is his right I guess.
The Mario you bought was basiclly a CDR wasn't it? Who can tell the copy from the original? Not me, thats for sure.
Yeah, it was pooled. We felt it was worth $250 to be able to play an unreleased Mario game, even if we didn't make anything back. And yeah, I couldn't copy it (still can't, should I start a thread here asking for help?), and he refuses to help. And yeah, I don't blame him, I agree. It's his right. And it's his software. I just think it's shitty that he's aware that I'm trying to give this game out for free for those who would appreciate it, and behind my back he's trying to trade a copy away.
I can't say for sure that it's the original, I'm just taking R.W.'s word on that (and the validity of his word is starting to fade in my mind). It does use a very OLD CD-R, definitely circa 1993 when they costed like a billion dollars each (remember that?), and it has handwriting on it that could, in theory, be compared to other Phillips prototypes. I've been assured more than once that this is the original, though, and I tend to believe that it is.
Buyatari
01-13-2003, 03:32 PM
ohh no I wasn't saying yours wasn't original I too believe it was. But once a copy is made I wouldn't have been able to tell the copy from the original which in my mind makes the original just a CDR.
You did mention some facts which I did not know. The date and rarity of the particular CDR can certainly be used to authenticate it in the future. It was a better purchase for you guys. As you bought it to enjoy the game where as if I bought it , it would mostly sit there collecting dust as a collectable.
That really does suck you were never able to copy it. BUT if he can do it I'm sure one day you guys will each have copies if you look hard enough.
@Dave -- All sega DC protos DO require the System 2 disk. But once you can find a way to copy the protos you can copy the system disk as well. No one I know of has been able to do it and as you can imagine some people want this to work really really bad.
Adam
udisi
01-13-2003, 04:44 PM
I suppose a DC development system could do it someway...I mean the thing does write to a GD-ROM.
Wavelflack
01-13-2003, 06:13 PM
What is this Mario game you guys are referring to? A CD-i Mario? Please elaborate...
TheRedEye
01-13-2003, 07:04 PM
Check that other thread I started.
I'll pitch in a good 50-100 bucks, as long as I get a copy of it. I mean, if the half-life one ever comes up then i will chip in 200 for it as long as i can have a copy.
Cmon people,
Darrell
geelw
01-14-2003, 03:21 PM
The Half-life was PAL and I passed on it as I don't collect PAL. I believe it sold for 300-350 pounds.
Adam
er...did you ask if it had a 60hz mode? many PAL DC games have an NTSC mode included. since hl was coded here in the u.s. of a., it should be in the PAL version, and would have been perfect for your collection... :hmm:
Damn, I didnīt know, that people are looking so bad after Propeller Arena...
Luckily I got one of the ORIGINAL-Beta GD-Rs AND the System 2 Disc. Iīve to say, that Iīve sweat blood to get it, but it was worth it!
When you see the sweet graphics (best since Shenmue!), hear the great soundtrack (Fat Wreck Chord Soundtrack - Rise Against, Mad Caddies, etc.), and the machines - sit tight - they are taken from the Strikers-series (Zero-Fighter as the hidden character and a ninja flies it!).
Itīs really bad how some of you would drop your intentions as a collector just to get the game! Shame on you all who want to copy it. I hope itīll never work out!
To all the others - if you can grab the game on the serious way - do it! You wonīt regret it!
But I know just of six copies in Europe around - and less of them in Collectorīs hands!
Greets
Wily
TheRedEye
05-07-2003, 05:14 PM
"intentions as a collector?" "the real way?" What are you, a fucking republican?
No, just a simple gambler, who pays for games he wants to play - calm down, put some ...errr... nicer tongue in your speech and everythings fine. If you want to burn games for yourself without paying for them, itīs your choice but IMO itīs not collectors-like to burn CD-Rs instead of buying games... or is this not a collectors-site and Iīm absolutely wrong? :roll:
Wily
ArnoldRimmer83
05-08-2003, 08:57 PM
No, just a simple gambler, who pays for games he wants to play - calm down, put some ...errr... nicer tongue in your speech and everythings fine. If you want to burn games for yourself without paying for them, itīs your choice but IMO itīs not collectors-like to burn CD-Rs instead of buying games... or is this not a collectors-site and Iīm absolutely wrong? :roll:
Wily
Since the game is unreleased, it's not as if most people could buy it if they wanted to. Those who want to burn copies of the game, are doing so because they want to play it, and have no means of playing it otherwise. And that's what video games are all about. Being played.
[quote="ArnoldRimmer83"
Since the game is unreleased, it's not as if most people could buy it if they wanted to. Those who want to burn copies of the game, are doing so because they want to play it, and have no means of playing it otherwise. And that's what video games are all about. Being played.[/quote]
But youīre aware of, that SEGA still has got the copyright for it, and the game title is still protected. So copying even of the Beta is prohibited. If you BUY the game (in this case only possible as a Beta-version) everythingīs alright. Believe me, I know a few people who borrow games from the game-store, copy them and bring the original game back - that is the reason we all know, the gaming industry is suffering from...
It was not my intention to attack all the people who copy games for themselves instead of buying a game in a shop or the internet. I just can do my duty to tell those, that theyīre wrong - and I know that Iīm right.
If someone feels attacked - I donīt care - those who feel attacked will surely know why.
I donīt wanted a discussion ībout copies in this thread anyway, but RedEye started flaming me as a republican (of course: Germany = republican), thatīs what really pissed me off. And now no reply of him - very lame!
Like I said - do it as you wish - I just wanted to talk about Propeller Arena, but I guess nobody gives a fuck about it - because everybody meantime has a copy of it :hmm:
TheRedEye
05-09-2003, 12:57 PM
But youīre aware of, that SEGA still has got the copyright for it, and the game title is still protected. So copying even of the Beta is prohibited. If you BUY the game (in this case only possible as a Beta-version) everythingīs alright.
Actually, you're wrong. It is just as illegal for you to own that "legit" beta as it is for me to own a copy of it. By law, you should be returning the game to Sega right now.
Believe me, I know a few people who borrow games from the game-store, copy them and bring the original game back - that is the reason we all know, the gaming industry is suffering from...
Indeed. The game industry suffers from rampant piracy of commercial products. However, the piracy of a non-commercial product, which is exactly what you're doing (though your beta may be "legit," you have no rights to it and therefore it is PIRACY), effects absolutely no one. So um, what is your point, exactly?
It was not my intention to attack all the people who copy games for themselves instead of buying a game in a shop or the internet. I just can do my duty to tell those, that theyīre wrong - and I know that Iīm right.
Pardon me, perhaps I've missed something, but what exactly are you "right" about? You seem to have absolutely no conception of copyright laws. YOUR GAME IS STOLEN PROPERTY. Get over it, we're all pirates.
I donīt wanted a discussion ībout copies in this thread anyway, but RedEye started flaming me as a republican (of course: Germany = republican), thatīs what really pissed me off. And now no reply of him - very lame!
First of all, I don't monitor this board every free second of my life, so my lack of reply was actually a lack of paying attention. Second...yes, that was a low blow. I won't get into a political discussion here, and will instead offer a rare apology. I'm sorry. I have nothing against you personally, I just do not appreciate you spreading your bullshit ideals. You're berating my collector friends for their understanding that we could ALL benefit from working together instead of "sweating blood" on our own.
We'd have more experiences to share, more inspiration to build on, and most importantly, more awesome games to play if we weren't all concerned with who has what and how awesome we are for having a game that nobody else has. It's greed, plain and simple.
...and I'm so tempted to get into Republicanism here, but I promised I wouldn't.
Anywho, relax. I'm not after your precious game. I'd just prefer that you leave your uneducated, greed-ridden ideals to yourself instead of telling my friends on this board how wrong they are for wanting to work as a community.
DreamTR
05-10-2003, 02:08 AM
Then I must be the biggest damn pirate on the planet....
Wily, I have Propeller Arena also! Wait, I have 100 of them! Damn, I sure can copy fast...guess that is what happens when you have 4000 prototypes.
But youīre aware of, that SEGA still has got the copyright for it, and the game title is still protected. So copying even of the Beta is prohibited. If you BUY the game (in this case only possible as a Beta-version) everythingīs alright.
Actually, you're wrong. It is just as illegal for you to own that "legit" beta as it is for me to own a copy of it. By law, you should be returning the game to Sega right now.
Believe me, I know a few people who borrow games from the game-store, copy them and bring the original game back - that is the reason we all know, the gaming industry is suffering from...
Indeed. The game industry suffers from rampant piracy of commercial products. However, the piracy of a non-commercial product, which is exactly what you're doing (though your beta may be "legit," you have no rights to it and therefore it is PIRACY), effects absolutely no one. So um, what is your point, exactly?
It was not my intention to attack all the people who copy games for themselves instead of buying a game in a shop or the internet. I just can do my duty to tell those, that theyīre wrong - and I know that Iīm right.
Pardon me, perhaps I've missed something, but what exactly are you "right" about? You seem to have absolutely no conception of copyright laws. YOUR GAME IS STOLEN PROPERTY. Get over it, we're all pirates.
I donīt wanted a discussion ībout copies in this thread anyway, but RedEye started flaming me as a republican (of course: Germany = republican), thatīs what really pissed me off. And now no reply of him - very lame!
First of all, I don't monitor this board every free second of my life, so my lack of reply was actually a lack of paying attention. Second...yes, that was a low blow. I won't get into a political discussion here, and will instead offer a rare apology. I'm sorry. I have nothing against you personally, I just do not appreciate you spreading your bullshit ideals. You're berating my collector friends for their understanding that we could ALL benefit from working together instead of "sweating blood" on our own.
We'd have more experiences to share, more inspiration to build on, and most importantly, more awesome games to play if we weren't all concerned with who has what and how awesome we are for having a game that nobody else has. It's greed, plain and simple.
...and I'm so tempted to get into Republicanism here, but I promised I wouldn't.
Anywho, relax. I'm not after your precious game. I'd just prefer that you leave your uneducated, greed-ridden ideals to yourself instead of telling my friends on this board how wrong they are for wanting to work as a community.
First, I got it directly from a SEGA-employee, so everythings fine about that. Actually I donīt know - maybe I understood something wrong about copyright and things. I donīt know how you can get ME in piracy. I donīt have any rights on the game, but SEGA still has - THAT was my point. What I was talking about, was, that I know, that piracy is WRONG - nothing more, nothing less. My game is not a STOLEN ONE - just look to my explanation above. At least I donīt care about anybody, who copies games for himself, cause Iīm not in video game-business. My point just was, that I for myself donīt want to have something to do with piracy and placed my statement here... with fatal consequences as Iīve seen. I just had to keep my mouth shut.
As I said, everybody has to choose his own "ideals". I donīt steal things from others - what you can see from my statements AKA bullshit ideals ^_^
If you meant your republican-statement, as you mentioned it in your reply - forget about it. I didnīt want a flame war at all about this shit.
Luckily most of us still have something called real life. Iīm glad youīve got that, too ^_^
Iīm on many boards on the whole WWW, but till this time I never got in a flame war (ok, itīs a little bit overrated) just because of talking about my bullshit ideals as a collector. If I knew the "consequences" before, I just didnīt wrote about it :-/
The cooperation in getting the sold copy by putting money together is 100% ok for me. I just couldnīt believe how free you talk about copying on public boards like this - that was it, what got me shocked.
I collected nearly everything in video games a few years before, and realized, that itīt much better to keep only the games you really wanna play. The Propeller Arena Beta is (IMO) a rare collectors item, which not many people own. I wished that SEGA released it officially, so I didnīt have to pay so much for the Beta I got here. Iīm not greedy or anything. I wanted to talk about the game ifself - the other discussion was not that what I wanted to cause.
I never criticized your teamwork on buying this game together, I was concerned about spreading the copies of the game - thatīs all.
...and apologies accepted ;)
Wily
Then I must be the biggest damn pirate on the planet....
Wily, I have Propeller Arena also! Wait, I have 100 of them! Damn, I sure can copy fast...guess that is what happens when you have 4000 prototypes.
Huh? What you wanna tell me? Did you get the original Beta with a System 2 Disc? If you confirm, everythings right. If not, bad for SEGA... but wait: Dreamcast is already dead - nothing would happen - HAH! I guess youīre not serious about your reply *cough* ;)
Oh, by the way: Iīm not very skilled in copying... could you send me one, so I donīt have to use my original, hehe...
Wily
DreamTR
05-10-2003, 12:29 PM
Yes, I have an official Dreamcast System Disk. Does not mean that because Sega "gave" it to me that it is ok to have, because I got mine from someone who got it from Sega. See where this leads? There are "rogue" Sega employees you know.
Yes, I have an official Dreamcast System Disk. Does not mean that because Sega "gave" it to me that it is ok to have, because I got mine from someone who got it from Sega. See where this leads? There are "rogue" Sega employees you know.
I see, I see ^_^
So everythings fine - and World Peace is restored to all of us *nearly*
Which fighter is your favourite? Have you enabled more secrets like the Zero Fighter and the Temple? Can you copy your VM save files incl. the PA-save file? It doesnīt work with mine. Hope my hard earned file/VM never gets broken ;)
Did you already beat the game two times with EVERY fighter? Tell me about it - I wanna know.
Wily
dsullo
05-28-2003, 10:42 AM
Call it whatever you want: Piracy or whatever. I just want to play Propeller arena. I have a copy of HL for the Dreamcast. I would of paid full price for it, I had it on preorder and bought the Dreamcast Game Guide before the game got canceled. So I had my wallet open and I was ready to spend my money. I also preordered Propeller Arena before it was cancelled. So my intentions are in the right place. But lets get off the moral discussions of whats right and wrong here.
If anyone has a way to distribute this game to dreamcast fans that have been waiting about 2 years to play it. Please ...Please let us know.
Dustin