Halo 2 on Live Cheating.

[Darth Sensei]

You hear stories of different kinds of cheating on Halo 2 Live, but I take most of them with a grain of salt.

However, lately I've witnessed it first hand. I've been against people with godlike prowess at sniping that I know they must have auto-aim.

Also, and perhaps more damning is this guy I was playing with in a custom game last night. His character was moving at least 3 times as fast as everyone elses. He was clearly cheating.

I stopped the game (as I was leader) called him a pathetic f'ing loser and that I was going to report him for cheating.

He spouted off some shit about being able to unban his xbox, blah blah.

How are they doing this?

[felix]

harddrive + online games = cheats
You download the cheats off the internet, put them on your xbox, run the game and the cheats and vila!

[s1lence]

There isnt a way to unban his xbox live, granted he might get another account to work. They are going this with hacked files, and according to bungie they know all about it and are banning all said accounts. Supposedly there is going to be an update to prevent these jerks from playing, but its still in the test phase. Isn't it great, they have just about stopped the stand byers and now you have other new cheats ruining a great online experience.

[WanganRunner]

I dunno why the cheating is so commonplace on Live. I played UT and UT2k4 for like 5 straight years, in very competitive circles, and never once ran into anyone, on any server, who was using an aimbot or any other sort of cheat.

I guess Live has more dumbasses....

[hezeuschrist]

You hear stories of different kinds of cheating on Halo 2 Live, but I take most of them with a grain of salt.

However, lately I've witnessed it first hand. I've been against people with godlike prowess at sniping that I know they must have auto-aim.

Also, and perhaps more damning is this guy I was playing with in a custom game last night. His character was moving at least 3 times as fast as everyone elses. He was clearly cheating.

I stopped the game (as I was leader) called him a pathetic f'ing loser and that I was going to report him for cheating.

He spouted off some shit about being able to unban his xbox, blah blah.

How are they doing this?

The sniper you encountered wasn't cheating, just really good. It's not hard at all to be a good sniper in Halo 2. My roommates can both wipe out an entire team with one clip of a sniper rifle in a very short period of time if the entire opposing team is in view.

As for the speed cheat, yeah, that's intensely obvious. I don't play much anymore (my roommates still play all the time) and I'll watch them for a minute here and there, and on Warlock in ranked games every once in a while someone will pop up and rack up 40 kills in as much time as it takes for the other team to spawn that many times.

[bargora]

Interesting, in a "my god what a bunch of dipshits" sort of way. I never saw anybody using programming hacks in Steel Battalion: Line of Contact, but people certainly do/did take advantage of exploits in the programming as released.

I guess some people just want to look like they are highly skilled at a game based on accumulated statistics, rather than deriving satisfaction from actually being skilled. Weak.

So do the ch34t0rZ fall into any easily definable class of people?

[Half Japanese]

There are a few things to note about the "speed cheat." I've run into it about three or four times and I've noticed that the speeders all use the battle rifle, because they can fire the three or four bursts it would take to kill you in the time it would take a regular player to fire one burst. It's a horseshit cheat for assholes, but all you can really do is report them and hope they get banned. I don't know whether Bungie is blowing smoke up our collective asses, but it's very easy to see that something's wrong when a CTF match on the new snow map (the largest in the game) ends with 9 minutes left on the clock, so hopefully they're banning these assholes.

[hezeuschrist]

Interesting, in a "my god what a bunch of dipshits" sort of way. I never saw anybody using programming hacks in Steel Battalion: Line of Contact, but people certainly do/did take advantage of exploits in the programming as released.

I guess some people just want to look like they are highly skilled at a game based on accumulated statistics, rather than deriving satisfaction from actually being skilled. Weak.

So do the ch34t0rZ fall into any easily definable class of people?

The Halo 2 online community is also exponentially larger than the Steel Battalion online community.

[Half Japanese]

Interesting, in a "my god what a bunch of dipshits" sort of way. I never saw anybody using programming hacks in Steel Battalion: Line of Contact, but people certainly do/did take advantage of exploits in the programming as released.

I guess some people just want to look like they are highly skilled at a game based on accumulated statistics, rather than deriving satisfaction from actually being skilled. Weak.

So do the ch34t0rZ fall into any easily definable class of people?

The Halo 2 online community is also exponentially larger than the Steel Battalion online community.


Very true. $50 < $200+

There isn't a whole lot of cheating in the smaller titles. Like when I played Unreal 2 on Xbox Live, there weren't really any cheaters out there (though my clan, one member in particular, got so damn good at it we were accused of cheating rather regularly) because there's not as much of a bragging factor in being good at a game that hardly anyone plays. The levels in Halo 2 are a status symbol that most just want to get as high as possible for bragging rights if nothing else, and some will cheat to get there if they can't by standard means.

[ubersaurus]

For the sniping, it's called "injecting" and it's a legitimate technique. I'm pretty sure that many use the Sniper's little screen to know when to fire no scoped. Unless you mean just plain shooting one hit kills all the time? That's pretty easy with some practice, really, I can do that. There's a trick some people use by scanning their rifle over people, so that when the game's built in aim helper slows down the scanning, they just fire and get a kill.

As for the speed, that is a hacked map file, and the Live team can spot those cheaters pretty quick. They've been banning a whole lot of people for it, but there's still a fuckton to go.

[SkiDragon]

There are so many cheats out there that it becomes difficult to tell when people are really cheating.

[Scavenger4]

This does get extremely annoying and completely lame. I just got done with a nice battle on Warlock that ended in 1:32 by someone using the speed cheat. 25 Kills on rumble pit in 1:32... completely lame.

As for the sniping - when I'm in the "zone" I can completely level an entire team in four shots with no time for them to even get off a grenade. Sniping just takes a little practice to get used to (no scoping too) and it just becomes easy. You have your unstoppable days and you have your normal days.

[Darth Sensei]

Bungie irritates me with their posturing. They try to project the image that they have total control over their network, when the truth is far from that.

Now that they're releasing more maps, there are more maps to be hacked.

On the first "Update" they said they would get rid of superjumping type glitches and that obviously hasn't happened.

Hell, most people feel superjumps are now just a feature of play because it's impossible to get people to stop doing it.

All this cheating/glitching really ruins the online experience.

If there were a counter strike type game that was half as good as halo, I'd switch without a second thought.

[captain nintendo]

Thank you action replay for making some of this cheating possible :angry: People with hacked files suck and I hope thier Xbox's blow up taking the hands of the cheat with it.


I have now boycotted playing matchmade games on Containment and Warlock. I play with a few clan members who can hear thier hard drives making sound and then we know to back out. :/ This really sucks because I was really good at Containment during BTB.

Auto aim , Juggernaut like speed , hacked weapons.... These cheats suck and the people who use them are low lifes. Its too bad Microsoft couldnt release a virus of sorts that would only attach itself to hard drives of people using hacked files.

@_@

[yok-dfa]

If there were a counter strike type game that was half as good as halo, I'd switch without a second thought.

Not on XBox but you should give Urban Terror a try. It's a mod for Quake III so it might not have state-of-the-art graphics but plays like a dream...

[Neil Koch]

Between the cheaters and the 12-year-old mindset of a lot of players, I've pretty much given up on Halo 2 online unless there are people I know already on there.

I wouldn't mind the cheating so much, but it's the shit-talking these retards do along with it... "I owned you, you're gay" and crap like that.

[s1lence]

The trash talking that flows out of Halo is another story. If I hear "you got OWNED"or "Newb" again it will be way too soon.

[ubersaurus]

Hell, most people feel superjumps are now just a feature of play because it's impossible to get people to stop doing it.



You mean like Bungie? Because a few weeks ago they said they don't care about the superjumps, since anyone with the knowhow can follow someone up there.

I think you're the first person to actually complain about the new maps, though LOL

The patch did make it easier to detect people who are cheating, so they do get banned faster. Problem is that they can't stop someone from doing it until the Xbox Live team themselves go and ban them, which does take time. I wouldn't be surprised if they sent out another patch specifically for this problem.

[bargora]

The trash talking that flows out of Halo is another story. If I hear "you got OWNED"or "Newb" again it will be way too soon.
Boy oh boy. Sounds like a great time. I guess Nude Maker did one thing right with SB:LOC--when you play the "deathmatch" (Battle Royale) mode the comms audio cuts out the instant your vehicle is destroyed. So even if the guy that got you is a world-class punk, he'd be essentially wasting all of his "n00b" and "pwned" BS.

Of course, the comms audio cuts back in again after respawn when you get within 2 km range of the other player again, but I've never had anybody in that game tell me that they "owned" me once I respawned and we approached within comms range again.

[captain nintendo]

Hell, most people feel superjumps are now just a feature of play because it's impossible to get people to stop doing it.



I wouldn't be surprised if they sent out another patch specifically for this problem.


In most cases I will superjump up to kill the fool who went up there.

But Bungie did say that using the mods and hacked files does show up and they are aware of the cheaters. What they need to do about it is have it set so these people are autobooted and blacklisted right during the game so that team gets a penalty of sorts.

[Darth Sensei]

I've been playing for the past two nights and for every game that's a rewarding experience, I have to slog through several that aren't.

People cheating (not modding, but just not following the custom game rules), annoying behavior (singing, screaming), and other shit has just ruined my enjoyment of the game.

Jesus, I wish there was a worthy alternative. :roll:

[captain nintendo]

I've been playing for the past two nights and for every game that's a rewarding experience, I have to slog through several that aren't.

People cheating (not modding, but just not following the custom game rules), annoying behavior (singing, screaming), and other shit has just ruined my enjoyment of the game.

Jesus, I wish there was a worthy alternative. :roll:

Buy steel battalion because "brats" like the ones you speak of normally cant afford such a game ;)

[Darth Sensei]

I've been playing for the past two nights and for every game that's a rewarding experience, I have to slog through several that aren't.

People cheating (not modding, but just not following the custom game rules), annoying behavior (singing, screaming), and other shit has just ruined my enjoyment of the game.

Jesus, I wish there was a worthy alternative. :roll:

Buy steel battalion because "brats" like the ones you speak of normally cant afford such a game ;)

Are people still playing it regularly? Also, is the learning curve so steep that I'll be getting my behind kicked for months since everyone else has a head start?

[bargora]

Buy steel battalion because "brats" like the ones you speak of normally cant afford such a game ;)

Are people still playing it regularly? Also, is the learning curve so steep that I'll be getting my behind kicked for months since everyone else has a head start?
Yeah, people still play it regularly. Just not all the time. I usually play in the evening, somewhere in the 7pm-midnight (Eastern) area (obviously not the whole time). You can get games even later (shifting toward west-coast players then and eventually even the Brits), but I have to get up in the morning.

I won't lie to you. There are some times of the day and even some days when you just aren't going to be able to get a game going in a reasonable period of time. But in my experience those days are still the exception, fortunately.

As far as getting thrashed, yes. New players still trickle into the game, and the ones who stick it out get thrashed for a few weeks before developing into competent battle-hardened vets. Hooking up with someone who will show you the ropes can significantly shorten that time. I'm always happy to help out new players I see online. And certain styles of piloting can be mastered more quickly than others. The major classes of VT combat styles are loosely hit-and-run, close assault, indirect fire, and long-distance arms. Some VTs combine more than one style, and altering the weapons loadout of a particular VT model also can make a huge difference in its battlefield role.

So if you decide to plunk down $125 (or whatever people are paying these days) and pick up a SB set (plus $20 for LOC), you had better not be too concerned about stats for the first month or two. And if a shitty record starts to bring you down, once you've attained the basic piloting skills you can always delete your pilot and start over fresh (after finding someone to temporarily hold your accumulated stuffs, of course).

And it ought to go without saying that while the SB community is far more civilized than the Halo kiddies, the real reason to get into the game is because the idea of piloting a giant bipedal war machine in a hyper-realistic (well, assuming they existed in the first place) sim game makes you excited.

To get an idea of the level of detail built into the game (i.e., a shitload), check out www.lineofcontact.net -- It's an excellent Capcom-sanctioned fansite.

Oh, one warning. The game works well with most DSL. Some cable connections have proved problematic. The netcode in LOC is not the best feature.

My last thought on Steel Battalion is that if you want a realistic mech sim, it's worth getting (especially if you can grab it for $125 or less) even if you never go online. The offline game has bad teammate AI, but you always wanted to be a glory-hog anyway, right? The people who don't like the game usually never played far enough into it to get to where it really shines.

[ubersaurus]

Well, Bungie addressed this in their weekly update.

According to them, they've got an autoupdate set for the second week of July that will allow them to deal with map hackers much more quickly and efficiently. They hope that this will alleviate the problem.

[Darth Sensei]

It's gotten out of hand. I don't play matchmaking at all because of all the cheating.

Some friends talked me into team slayer because my rank is only a 1 (I don't play matchmaking) and 3 of 3 matches were all scum sucking modders. :roll:

Bungie are a bunch of incompetent blundering idiots.

[ubersaurus]

It's gotten out of hand. I don't play matchmaking at all because of all the cheating.

Some friends talked me into team slayer because my rank is only a 1 (I don't play matchmaking) and 3 of 3 matches were all scum sucking modders. :roll:

Bungie are a bunch of incompetent blundering idiots.

Waah?

Funny, I've been doing team slayer and double team for like a week and I haven't run across a single modder.

[dsullo]

I still play online , but I never plug in my headset, so I do not hear the foul language. I do ocassionally see cheaters

[drummy]

I experienced my first cheater yesterday. My teammates and I were in Warlock (not the new one). We would spawn, and the heavens would magically start shooting automatically at us. Literally. It was automatic gun fire. ANyways, there were also Ghosts in that level. It was very weird.

[Ed Oscuro]

A while back some of us posted about Bungie's response to the hacking, my god, their official releases are as bitchy and juvenile as anything their hackers have said over TS. It's like Cliff Yablonski (Hates yOU!!!1) doing the official updates.

Newsflash, Bungie: Valve has been dealing with hacking for a long time and they never post a self serving rant (OMG THEY ARE ABUSING SWORD SURFING!!1 OMG) blaming the community for using exploits that Bungie shouldn't have allowed in the first place and which they should simply quietly remove.

[ubersaurus]

Man, those new maps are sweet. Relic is a larf, even though like, not 12 hours in, someone found a trick to go through a closed teleporter. It takes a few seconds though, and works both ways, meaning, wacky.

I loved the Bungie rant about all the MLG/Anti-MLG people on their forums. I loved it because I know it pissed people off.

[dieourumov]

It doesn't surprised me that the cheating is rampant in HAlo 2, once Xbox Live trial membership was given away with games, everything went to hell, as well as when people figured out that you could disconnect and get out of taking a loss for the game.