What do you do when your spouse gets mad when you buy more g

[dcescott]

My wife got a little upset at me this weekend. I picked up a few games, but I used the check card, and it spanned to about 8 or 9 places in a single afternoon (saturday). I'v e been banned from garage sales/flea markets this weekend as well. We are not poor, however we are not rich either. Right in the middle, where that tax break is.
I'm just wondering what you guys would do in my situation.
She used to work in a bank and she knows all the ins and outs of the account, I can't hide any of it. I do wear the pants in the family, but moneywise I don't, --I see it and spend it. Just like the rest here. Any advice?

[tritium]

Have her give you an allowance. Limit your spending to nice little amounts.

[Arcade Antics]

I'm gonna suggest something that's a BIG secret, so SHH! Keep this one under your hat!

Spend money on games in a responsible manner. Buy what you can afford. And man up, Nancy.

:)

[s1lence]

My wife and I have an understanding, I don't spend more then 50-60 bucks on gaming each week and it seems to work out ok. That and she plays games too.

[QBert]

keep a little cash stash, that's what I do sometimes. If you've got $40 one day, throw $20 of it in hiding. Do that a few times, $5 here or whatever you can...adds up quick. :)

[dcescott]

I spent only 65 bucks
20 here
20 there
5 over there
and 20 somewhere else. It was spread out further than that, but that's the total amount of damage. I just got about 500 in c hecks from my freelance work, so I thought I was alright.
I have 300+ games and during the week I usually don't have time to play because of my freelance work or my daughter or my sister or yardwork. Something always interferes with me sitting on my skinny ass and playing whatever for a couple of hours. So on saturday I got out and found deals that I couldn't pass up.

She only plays Bubble Bobble, Parasol Stars and a few on my mac, mainly Arkaniod on SNES9x & Burning Monkey Solitare 3. The rest she wonders why I have them. I used to have a "room of doom, but I sold half of my collection to fund a new computer.
I 'm looking for ways around this issue, that's the cause of my post.

[stuffedmonkey]

keep a little cash stash, that's what I do sometimes. If you've got $40 one day, throw $20 of it in hiding. Do that a few times, $5 here or whatever you can...adds up quick. :)

Yup. Cash money homey. Theat way she dosen't know what goes where.

[punkoffgirl]

It sounds like you should be at home, having this conversation with your wife, instead of us. We can't possibly know the full details of your financial situation, or long-range plans, etc. But it sounds like you and your wife haven't talked about this at all.

[Darth Sensei]

I'd recommend buying a dress. Maybe you can get a little pretty pink one like in the Mario games.

[bargora]

I agree with punkoffgirl, stuffed monkey and Arcade Antics.

Plus, I just wanted to point out that your wife probably wouldn't have given a second thought to a $50 cash withdrawal on the check card from an ATM--but 8 or 9 charges from different game stores probably just looks like a digital cry for help.

Sometimes it's form, not substance.

[Cmosfm]

Wait, she BANNED you from going to yard sales this weekend? HA

Nancy.

[segagamer4life]

simple solution, lay the smackdown on here candy asss....

[goatdan]

The first rule of marriage - Happy Wife = Happy Life. I've only been married for two years, but I can sure say DAMN is it true!

Anyway, the key for my wife and I is to practice restraint. She doesn't mind if I spend one hundred bucks a month as long as I don't go out and blow a few thousand without thinking. I also try to sell stuff whenever I get new stuff.

But as someone else said, sit down with your wife and say look -- this is what I enjoy doing, but I want to make sure that it doesn't get in the way of our relationship at all. She should understand and allow you to continue within reason. Then, set the goals for your collection along the same lines.

Before I was married, I was attempting to collect for the Jaguar, the Dreamcast, the Neo Geo Pocket, the Saturn, the Lynx and so on. Since I got married and my financial freedom went back down, I sold the systems I didn't care as much about (Saturn and Lynx) and just focused my money on the ones that I wanted (Dreamcast). I am even in the process of selling some of my Jaguar prizes that I really don't do anything with anymore.

Good luck!

[Videogamerdaryll]

Do something on the side(like selling stuff on Ebay)for extra cash for game spending..


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Note:..I always pick my wife up something when I go to Flea Markets etc..

[bargora]

I'd recommend buying a dress. Maybe you can get a little pretty pink one like in the Mario games.


Wait, she BANNED you from going to yard sales this weekend? HA

Nancy.
Ease up, dudes. You know what he means. "Banned" just means if you go then I will be so unpleasant to you that your life will be a living hell.


simple solution, lay the smackdown on here candy asss....
Someone needs to save this post for the day that you actually get into a relationship with a woman. :)

[dcescott]

I know I'm horrible.
I haven't done that in quite a while but we have spoke about it.
As far as a dress, hmm.
I'm not whipped, but there is respect towards both sides.
As far as marriage goes, we both agreed to tell each other when we buy stuff, limit n such. There's no who's in charge "do as I say not as I do" issue, it's very equal we both work, we both get to spend the money. Compromise is an everyday thing unless you like to have a Stepford wife who is submissive in every aspect, that's not a marriage at all. I've seen that and it's not healthy.
This weekend I barely crossed the line, we've all done it, however I just dropped in extra money, so I thinking I'm alright, I deserve a little for the extra work, right?
Well we just found out, my daughter is getting her tonsils out very soon, so there goes the extra dough to the deductible. (yesterday).
Those who are married out here, understand my point, those who aren't, won't until they hitched. If you want a painless easy going situation at home you tend to work at it. I only asked for advice for the best method.

[dcescott]

Candy Ass?
Brutha, you watch too much wrestling, er I mean
MALE SOAP OPERAS!

[Cmosfm]

The first rule of marriage - Happy Wife = Happy Life. I've only been married for two years, but I can sure say DAMN is it true!

Anyway, the key for my wife and I is to practice restraint. She doesn't mind if I spend one hundred bucks a month as long as I don't go out and blow a few thousand without thinking. I also try to sell stuff whenever I get new stuff.

But as someone else said, sit down with your wife and say look -- this is what I enjoy doing, but I want to make sure that it doesn't get in the way of our relationship at all. She should understand and allow you to continue within reason. Then, set the goals for your collection along the same lines.

Before I was married, I was attempting to collect for the Jaguar, the Dreamcast, the Neo Geo Pocket, the Saturn, the Lynx and so on. Since I got married and my financial freedom went back down, I sold the systems I didn't care as much about (Saturn and Lynx) and just focused my money on the ones that I wanted (Dreamcast). I am even in the process of selling some of my Jaguar prizes that I really don't do anything with anymore.

Good luck!

I don't know if I can ever handle a marriage, my financial freedom means more to me than anything in the world. I couldn't just stop spending my money on what I want to spend it on because someone else wants me to stop.

[dcescott]

I'm learing about ebay now, that's a big help but that market is way over saturated. I'm selling a NES right now, boxed.

[dcescott]

No I wasn't banned,
It will be VERY HARD for me to go.

[Crazycarl]

well i bring in the games...put them in my collection before my g/f sees them, and just act like they were always there.

[Jibbajaba]

A big help would be if you try to make money off of your hobby so that it may not be self-sufficient, but it would be a lot closer. I can see her point of view; she looks at the account statement online and sees that the last nine transactions are you buying games. It's her money too, afterall. You might not be too happy either if you looked at the account statement and the last nine transactions were for scented candles and flower vases.

One easy way to handle the situation is through the use of cash. Take out a certain amount oof cash that you can spend on games and keep it in your wallet. Once you run out of cash, you are done buying games until you can take out some more. Kind of like an allowance thing to help you control your spending, but also it only shows up as one transaction on the statement.

Chris

[Videogamerdaryll]

Not sure what your current job title is..IMO,Any side job that can be done for extra cash "if" you want to spend lots of money on games.
That means maybe doing overtime at the job or.

See I'm a jack of all trades.
I sell on Ebay(buy cheap-sell for small profit)though I run a small private day care center.
But I can pull side jobs like Auto Repair/brakes/electrical work etc...if I really need extra cash.

[djbeatmongrel]

well i bring in the games...put them in my collection before my g/f sees them, and just act like they were always there.

i've been a witness to these acts, its not bad as long as satan doesnt notice...

[dcescott]

I am a graphic designer/prepress for printing offset and screen printing. My side work is seperating art for a guy about 60 mile east of me over the internet. I trap and fix the halftones then shoot over pdf's plate by plate. I never see a final print, he has never complained either. It's a little surreal when you can prep I job up and know it will work without seeing the final proof.
I don't do websites so that makes make very available. From what I know, html and flash based stuff on the web is time consuming.
My wife is awesome. Those who marry the woman you love are truly blessed the rest of their lives. I never have put ourselves in the poorhouse over games, I'm not that crazy. But every once in a great while I go out and enjoy the hunt.
I need to fully fill in my IMO, I know. I'll get on that soon.

[BrokenFlight]

This probably won't apply to you at all.

I had an addiction to buying games a few months ago. I don't have a job and get just £10 a week in pocket money, even though I'm getting a bit old for that. :P My parents got angry with me because I spent £150 in a month (I had £450 in my bank account but I usually don't like spending that)

To get over it, I'd put my £10 pocket money in the bank as soon as I got it. I did that until I was back up to £450 and now I only spend the cash I've saved without attacking the bank account. Now I'm not bothered about buying lots of games, but the urge is creeping back.

I'm looking for a simple job like in a shop but no one seems to be taking people on at the moment. :(

[googlefest1]

my friend has this exact problem

but he is able to enforce his will in his spending

his wife collects stuff too - dumb stuff like hello kitty crap

so he can say you buy that crap and i buy my crap

but he buys a TON more than she does

i gues it comes down to - haveng all your bills payed a savings and then spending money

one thing about my firends marriage - he and his wife have seperate bank accounts (as far as i know) -- he works and she works and they split the bills and keep what they make seperate

she does get really anoyed though - so alot of stuff he buys comes home into his collecting when she is not there
and im sure he falsifyes what he spends too

[Aussie2B]

She only plays Bubble Bobble, Parasol Stars and a few on my mac, mainly Arkaniod on SNES9x & Burning Monkey Solitare 3. The rest she wonders why I have them.

That seems a bit odd to me. You'd think that if she enjoys some games herself, she'd understand that you wouldn't have IDENTICAL tastes in games, so you'd want more games beyond those that appeal to you in the same way that those appeal to her.

Meh, sometimes women aren't very logical, I guess (and this is coming from one :P ).

[Slimedog]

Yes, happily maried for 5 years to a psuedo-gamer wife and they key is getting an allowance. Put a dollar limit on the spending and I'm sure she'll be fine. I wouldn't recommend buying stuff behind her back, but who knows, maybe I'm a Nancy-boy. Oh, and Burning Monkey Solitare 3? WTF?!

[Blackjax]

There's unfortunately only one real answer to the question, and its not a very helpful one - you're gonna have to find out your own way. There have been some very good suggestions in the thread, and even if its not for video games, the personal stash of cash is never a bad idea. Nothing huge, but maybe something like $200 for yourself.

I've been in long term relationships myself, damn near married, and I'll never understand how the money situation always devolves into this. I've seen this personally and with most of my friends in their own relationships. My check would suddenly become "our" money, while her paycheck always remained hers.

I see it all the time at my job too, a guy is looking at something in our store, or possibly buying something inexpensive, when the wife comes storming in, carrying huge bags of stuff from Bath & Body Works, Payless Shoes, or Hallmark and starts yelling at the husband that "he doesn't need it" or "we can't afford it." O_O

I don't mean any offense to our female members here, but I see it all the time, and it just baffles me.

[Damaramu]

Just quietly keep tabs on how often she brings home new shoes and clothing. That kind of info can come in quite handy. 8-)

[googlefest1]

what my friend does - thats what i would do

although- a showdown with a fiery woman would most likely end bad

[Cmosfm]

There's unfortunately only one real answer to the question, and its not a very helpful one - you're gonna have to find out your own way. There have been some very good suggestions in the thread, and even if its not for video games, the personal stash of cash is never a bad idea. Nothing huge, but maybe something like $200 for yourself.

I've been in long term relationships myself, damn near married, and I'll never understand how the money situation always devolves into this. I've seen this personally and with most of my friends in their own relationships. My check would suddenly become "our" money, while her paycheck always remained hers.

I see it all the time at my job too, a guy is looking at something in our store, or possibly buying something inexpensive, when the wife comes storming in, carrying huge bags of stuff from Bath & Body Works, Payless Shoes, or Hallmark and starts yelling at the husband that "he doesn't need it" or "we can't afford it." O_O

I don't mean any offense to our female members here, but I see it all the time, and it just baffles me.

I do too, and it sickens me to no extent.

I'll get grown men over here looking at a 15.00 watch, debating on buying it, and talking about how he shouldn't spend the money and how his wife would get mad at him.

Then his wife comes with 3-4-5 bags from various stores and yells at him "Get over here you don't need that" and he just tags along like a little puppy, saying nothing.

I'm sorry, but no woman will ever treat me like that, ever. Nor will I become such a pussy that I allow myself to let an over-ruling woman do that to me. I'm sure that the woman on here aren't like that, you all seem much more levelheaded.

[goatdan]

Just quietly keep tabs on how often she brings home new shoes and clothing. That kind of info can come in quite handy. 8-)

Ah, but shoes and clothes are things that they need. Games are just something extra.

And I don't mean that to be offensive in any way, but I can't tell you how often I hear that. I've started telling my wife that she has a "shoe collection" and referring to the new shoes she's looking at as a new part of the collection. So far, that's been working rather well ;)

[Wavelflack]

I earn a dime's worth of credit for every inch I administer.

At those rates, I could be purchasing Neo Geo games daily.

[Damaramu]

Just quietly keep tabs on how often she brings home new shoes and clothing. That kind of info can come in quite handy. 8-)

Ah, but shoes and clothes are things that they need. Games are just something extra.

And I don't mean that to be offensive in any way, but I can't tell you how often I hear that. I've started telling my wife that she has a "shoe collection" and referring to the new shoes she's looking at as a new part of the collection. So far, that's been working rather well ;)

Well sure, shoes and clothing are a necessity...perhaps I should have expanded on what I said. You know, keep an eye open on how often she wears her new outfit or shoes.

Luckily, my wife is a game nut like me (she can often be found playing Dr. Mario on her GBA). The only grief she gives me is how many unopened games I have, the stuff that's on the "to be played" list.

So, she'll grab a sealed PS2 game and say "I'm gonna play this if you're not!!!!" LOL

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

I trap and fix the halftones then shoot over pdf's plate by plate.
So THAT'S who's been firing shots over my plates! I must say it's not appreciated. I walk into the kitchen to get a clean plate and WHOOSH, something shoots right over me. :P

Seriously though, I have a little personal rule that I stick to: I do my website somewhat like you'd do a second job, and it has its own bank account. Whenever the money that the site has earned comes in, the first order of business is to cover the site's expenses. After that, what's left is free and clear - that money goes toward the games, music, books, DVDs, etc. that are reviewed on the site for the next several weeks. (I'm just using the site as an example - in your case, it could be an eBay store, a second job, or what have you.) Anything I want to buy that's above and beyond that, I run past Mrs. PDF and justify it to her. She herself has collected comics before, so she's sometimes amenable to the argument "But...but...it's rare! There are only X other copies in the world!" And sometimes not. I don't dip into the money we use to pay our bills, put gas in the cars, etc. unless we agree that it's going to be done.

Another thing I do is to only go on a "collecting/acquisition binge" 2, 3 or 4 times a year. I get only what I know I'm going to play, or what I'm really, really curious about. And I don't get more of it until I've played/watched/listened to my latest acquisitions. I don't buy stuff on a weekly basis, or even necessarily a monthly basis.

Whoever it was who said, earlier in the thread, that this is a conversation you really need to be having with your spouse and/or spousette...that was probably the soundest advice you're going to see here. Other than that, everyone - including me - can only tell you what works in their situation.

[Mattiekrome]

My wifey handles the paying of the bills and such because basically I dont balance anything. All throughout college I dont think I ever balanced my checking account one single time. Over all my years of college I probably paid 500$ (dumb ass I know, wish I had that $$$ back) in overdraft fees and stuff like that because I was too lazy to keep up with receipts and the such. Now I find that I cant even get my own personal checking account because of this finance background check thing they do now. Which is precisely why wifey takes care of our account. She will sit there and balance the checkbook for 30 minutes. If it comes out .10 off, she will sit and work at it forever until it comes out right.

Sometimes we tiff over Goodwill, thrift store, and yard sale buys but then I ask her how much she has spent and she pipes down real quick. Her and her mother go shopping ALL THE DAMN TIME, then she comes home acting like getting a pair of $50.00 shoes on sale for $35.00 was a deal that she just couldnt pass up. Makes my 6 complete SMS games for 2 bucks each from Goodwill sound like a drop in the bucket.

[Aussie2B]

Her and her mother go shopping ALL THE DAMN TIME, then she comes home acting like getting a pair of $50.00 shoes on sale for $35.00 was a deal that she just couldnt pass up.

Yeah, that kind of stuff really bugs me. o_O There's no way you're going to get a "great" deal at a mainstream retail store dealing in brand new goods, no way no how, even if there is a sale. It's gullible to think otherwise. It's like when you see one of those infomercials shouting "A $100 value, yours for $15!" Yeah right... if it was REALLY worth $100, they wouldn't be selling it at a cost to them.

The other day I was at a mall at a somewhat fancy department store, and they were having some big semi-annual sale. Some woman brought her stuff up to the counter and the man ringing up her stuff (which came out to roughly $290) up was saying "Four pairs of shoes and two shirts for under $300 - that's a really good deal". Riiight...

[phreak97]

i get addicted to buying online and use way too much of my money, i got AU$180 a fortnight (two weeks) (i now get ~$200) and thats to cover my food, petrol, anything else i do. more than once it's been gone within two or three days, leaving me eating minimally when im at tafe (like college) and scabbing money from my grandpa for petrol. lol.. i dont have a problem at all:)
my girlfriend doesnt really like me spending all that money on games, but i say "im never going to change that, so it's something youll have to get used to"

i recently spent AU$500 or more on retro games and systems.. none of them have arrived yet, theyre all in the mail still.

[ClubNinja]

This is going to be entirely unhelpful since I agree with everyone who suggested you make this post at the Pillow Talk Forum with wifey at home and not here. Only the two of you know your financial situation and how much each of you contributes.

That said, if I *only* spent $65, then my woman would call me a pussy :)

[bargora]

One more suggestion. Get a second job that pays cash money. I drive a cab about once a week (usually Saturday). An extra $150-200 a week makes things a lot smoother on the petty cash front and means that you can generally reserve your bank card for wholly "justifiable" expenses.

[Wavelflack]

Also, remind her that her place is in the kitchen and bedroom.

[RJ]

Here's a link to my thoughts on the matter to a recent similar thread:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=712141&highlight=#712141

[Mianrtcv]

The truth. Buy more. 8-) The get "the look". Luckily she plays a few. One of her favorites is 2600 Halloween.

Will admit, redoing gameroom now. Not the time to be adding to the collection but did anyway. She was not amused.

As for amassing more games... she asked will I get the 360 or ps3 etc. etc. I said no. She said outright I know you will. Curse the psychic. WITCH! WITCH! Does she float?

[ianoid]

It's not a girlfriend or a gal pal or a partner, it's a wife. If you don't have a wife, you have no business posting a serious reply. Coz' once you got a wife, you pretty much give up control.

My suggestions:

If you sell, try to get as much by paypal and keep it seperate. Paypal has an ATM card and check card, so if you want to spend on profits alone, that is a good account to spend from. You could even just transfer your allowance to paypal monthly.

I suggest a monthly allowance for gaming. A budget is critical to controlling spending in any household. Even the wealthiest folks have problems budgeting, and many live check to check with higher expenditures. This makes only one thing negotiable: how much your allowance will be for. Therefore you know that if you spend it all the first weekend of the month, you know where you stand.

There's no point trying to hide what you do if your wife is involved. You don't want to anyway. If you can't justify what you spend with respect to your financial plans, you probably shouldn't be spending it.

[UnInformer]

Actually, I still live with my parents :( LOL

Anyway, one day my mom "accidently" opened the letter conataining my monthly bank statement, and it just so happened to be in a month where EB Games and Gamestop had both had buy 2 get 1 free sales and Gamers had gotten in a copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga and some other expensive game. I had spent around $400 or so that month (not typical, but I do spend quite a bit monthly).

Now what I do is when I take my paycheck to the bank, I make sure to get a larger portion of my check in cash instead of into my account than I used to. She may notice that though, but just a suggestion.

[Yamazaki]

I suppose when "big cost events" like children come into play ones attitude changes anyway. Same thing with marriage.

For me as a student its no big deal spending 4000$ (like once in 2 years, especially when I'm in Japan) in one month.

[emumuumuucowgomoo]

Beat her with a shovel. Then grab her by the hair and drag her to the backyard. I'm sure you have a big backyard, otherwise you wouldn't have a shovel. Not to mention your post screams of the horrors of the banal middle class, and all you middle class people are notorious for your backyards. Anyway, once you get her in the backyard, which I'm sure she bleated about when you were shopping for a house - you wanted a garage, didn't you? But oh no, she HAD to have the backyard - "think of the children", she said! The children. Pshaw. Well, anyway, drag her to her precious backyard, then keep beating her with the shovel until her limbs start falling off. **WARNING / SPOILER -- THIS COULD TAKE DAYS OR EVEN WEEKS TO COMPLETE. THINK OF IT AS A MINIGAME, LIKE UNLOCKING THE STRIP CLUB IN VICE CITY**

Once you've gotten her in a nice bloody pulp, attach a 6502 chip (salvaged from a flea market NES) to her brain. Remember to mount the pins in the correct alignment, and don't forget the +5v power supply. Then reattach all the limbs with Crazy Glue (or wood glue, if Crazy Glue isn't available) and use a Mattel® Power Glove™ to control her mind and body from afar.


Remember, if your wife isn't barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen making you a sandwich, she's not a doppleganger. And sandwiches go real well with videogames. And dopplegangers make the best sandwiches. And frankly, it's time the crazy hormonal bitch learned to stop being crazy and hormonal.













...I hope you got some pretty thoughtful advice from others in this thread...

[Nesmaster]

There's unfortunately only one real answer to the question, and its not a very helpful one - you're gonna have to find out your own way. There have been some very good suggestions in the thread, and even if its not for video games, the personal stash of cash is never a bad idea. Nothing huge, but maybe something like $200 for yourself.

I've been in long term relationships myself, damn near married, and I'll never understand how the money situation always devolves into this. I've seen this personally and with most of my friends in their own relationships. My check would suddenly become "our" money, while her paycheck always remained hers.

I see it all the time at my job too, a guy is looking at something in our store, or possibly buying something inexpensive, when the wife comes storming in, carrying huge bags of stuff from Bath & Body Works, Payless Shoes, or Hallmark and starts yelling at the husband that "he doesn't need it" or "we can't afford it." O_O

I don't mean any offense to our female members here, but I see it all the time, and it just baffles me.

I do too, and it sickens me to no extent.

I'll get grown men over here looking at a 15.00 watch, debating on buying it, and talking about how he shouldn't spend the money and how his wife would get mad at him.

Then his wife comes with 3-4-5 bags from various stores and yells at him "Get over here you don't need that" and he just tags along like a little puppy, saying nothing.

I'm sorry, but no woman will ever treat me like that, ever. Nor will I become such a pussy that I allow myself to let an over-ruling woman do that to me. I'm sure that the woman on here aren't like that, you all seem much more levelheaded.

This is the exact reason i never want to get hitched. hell i even saw my mom do it all the time to my dad before they got a divorce. Her money was hers and his money was "for the family" :roll:

[WanganRunner]

Real simple answer.

I'm a professional financial analyst, grad degree in quant. finance, extensive accounting background, etc...

My girlfriend (probably wife eventually....that's scary) doesn't even know how to balance a checkbook.

So when I get to this situation, I'm gonna BS. I'm gonna BS MY ASS OFF. I will be hiding money all over the place, because I'm the one who knows how to handle it, and she doesn't. Hell, I do it now, I've got five bank accounts, paypal, etrade money market, I keep shit floating in an "accounts recievable" sort of way, etc...

And she knows that. I could never TELL her that, but she does know.

[WanganRunner]

Real simple answer.

I'm a professional financial analyst, grad degree in quant. finance, extensive accounting background, etc...

My girlfriend (probably wife eventually....that's scary) doesn't even know how to balance a checkbook.

So when I get to this situation, I'm gonna BS. I'm gonna BS MY ASS OFF. I will be hiding money all over the place, because I'm the one who knows how to handle it, and she doesn't. Hell, I do it now, I've got five bank accounts, paypal, etrade money market, I keep shit floating in an "accounts recievable" sort of way, etc...

And she knows that. I could never TELL her that, but she does know. I mean, I could just lay the smack down, but why be all confrontational if I don't have to?