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TheRedEye

01-13-2003, 05:10 PM

Since I just brought this up in the Propellar Arena thread, and I don't want to bog it down, I'll just start a new thread. I need help ripping a CD-i proto, or at least copying it. The game is, of course, Super Mario's Wacky Worlds, an unreleased sequel of sorts to Super Mario World. I don't expect anyone here would be TOO educated on the subject, but here goes:

Everything on the CD can be read, using the proper software, EXCEPT for sector 0. If sector 0 is replaed with empty data, it creates a bad image. No program I've used has been able to read that sector at all. I can copy each file individually, but it seems that without a proper sector 0 header, the game won't work.

Someone suggested to me that I simply replace that sector with the 0 sector from another CD-i game, but I'm not so sure that will work. Another suggestion was to try using a professional CD copying tower. Theoretically that could work, but I'd HIGHLY prefer that there be a downloadable image. I'd like everyone who would enjoy this game to be able to play it.

One final suggestion is to tell the story to the geeks at Slashdot and see if they can help. They might be able to come up with something, but I'd kind of prefer not to go that far just yet.

Any ideas?

samuraiX

01-13-2003, 05:14 PM

Best and most reliable software I have used so far is Clone CD. Not sure if it will work for what your doing but it can make CD image files and do direct disc to disc copying. Good luck.

TheRedEye

01-13-2003, 07:02 PM

Nope. Rips an image without any complaints, but then says the image is bad when you go to burn it.

NvrMore

01-14-2003, 11:37 AM

Are you sure your drive is upto the task? it may sound like a daft question but many copy-protection methods are untouchable unless your actual hardware is capable of reading and bypassing them, regardless of the software you use.

Some of these methods were abandoned because certain drives just didn't like them or they weren't feasible for widespread use. However in the case of discs such as protos, such problems wouldn't have been of concern because the only drives to be reading the discs were likely of similar or the same design.

TheRedEye

01-14-2003, 06:33 PM

I've considered that, but haven't taken action yet. I have a couple people who have drives circa 1993, I think one is even a Phillips model.

Buyatari

01-14-2003, 07:01 PM

I am moving this to the emulation forum. While it is Prototype related I think you will get a better response from over there.

Adam

RW^OlderGames

01-16-2003, 02:23 AM

Heheh. =)

By the way Frank thanks for slinging shit in my face
when I wasn't looking. I saw what you said in the Prop
Arena topic! Remember... I have a lot of friends here.

Hey I bought and XBOX like 6 months ago, I'm going
to take one out of Toys R Us because afterall since I
bought it once I can always take another when I feel
like it right? Certainly not theft eh? But my XBOX was
a special unreleased one.. Maybe I shold call Bill Gates an
asshole because he refused to make me 5 more for
free right?

And you say I'm selling copies of this? What kind of little
shit do you think you are? You have a lot of nerve to open
your mouth and like like that without any proof.

Frank, you have lost my respect.
You're just another ROM & ISO pirate and
always will be.

Enjoy the proto kid because NOBODY
will be able to copy it for you. NOBODY!

YoshiM

01-16-2003, 10:16 AM

Only thing I can think of is to check the newsgroups. I'm sure somebody there must have figured out how to get protos to work.

zektor

01-16-2003, 08:27 PM

Did you try WinISO or Alcohol 120%? Two great imaging programs...just might work.

Alcohol 120%:

http://www.alcohol-soft.com

WinISO:

http://www.winiso.com

I have been ripping/copying for a long time, and have an array of backup programs. Others you can try:

Disc Juggler 4
CDRWin
Ahead Nero

You may be able to extract it with CDRWin, but I would try WinISO first. I used it recently to extract a data track on a certain game that no other program would allow. Worked great.

Ballz

01-20-2003, 03:48 AM

And you say I'm selling copies of this? What kind of little
shit do you think you are? You have a lot of nerve to open
your mouth and like like that without any proof.

It's not really my business so I'll only be brief, but I think you misread the other thread. He said you were offering to trade (not sell) to other people, although, according to Frank, you claimed not to have any copies other than what you sold to him. And he posted a link where, indeed, that's what it sounded like you were doing; offering to trade a second copy of the game.

You shouldn't jump the gun with such harsh words and accusations. ^_^;; We're all a big happy classic gaming community around here, right?

Right?! ;)

TheRedEye

01-20-2003, 06:14 AM

TheRedEye is in california on vacation right now. Speaking for him will be PopaSmear:

Right, regardless of any kind of over-reaction or anything like that, what the hell is all that shit about calling red a fucking pirate? If you were thinking instead of spewing vitriol you'd realize that couldn't be more off base. I mean, ass-shit-bastard-blowjob man, we have one guy who desperately wants to GIVE AWAY A VIDEOGAME. A guy who spends thousands of dollars each year, never making a profit, occasionally breaking even, all so that he can get things released, documented and played. There are words that describe that, words like Historian, or Philanthropist. Pirate though? No, pirate describes a fucking asshole who is willing to go around selling a fucking CD-R that he can make copies of for fucking 50 cents a peice for thousands of dollars. Some preservationist you are. One of the only things you have that anyone will ever care about and you're not willing to help the one person who wants to make it available. Pirates lie and steal for profit. Only one of you have done that.

Again, keep in mind that this is NOT Frank. He's out of town, and he'd probably wouldn't have said "fucking" nearly as many times.

zektor

01-20-2003, 12:12 PM

OK NOW. This thread is turning into something it shouldn't. If it is to continue, take it over to the Battlezone, ok?

RW^OlderGames

01-20-2003, 03:57 PM

Right, regardless of any kind of over-reaction or anything like that, what the hell is all that shit about calling red a fucking pirate?.

I'm sorry, I must have missed the news release where he announced
sucessfully licensing rights to release Nintendo roms on his site. Tell
him I said congradulations! It's big big deal for one to legally gain permission to distribute things like StarFox 2, because afterall - Distributing something without licensed claim to it, or copyright ownership of it is.. afterall... uh.. PIRACY.

we have one guy who desperately wants to GIVE AWAY A VIDEOGAME. A guy who spends thousands of dollars each year, never making a profit, occasionally breaking even,

Make that 2. We still have yet to break even in fact
so you can just throw your assumptions out the door.

all so that he can get things released, documented and played.

Ditto. But we license our releases!
That way in a few years when Franks getting reemed in the
anus by Nintendo lawyers we will still be here and in full legal
control of our company and games.

There are words that describe that, words like Historian, or Philanthropist. Pirate though?

Actually yes. A pirate in todays definition would be Frank Cifaldi.
Regardless of his intentions which I think are very honorable and
should be respected he is still a fucking pirate.

No, pirate describes a fucking asshole who is willing to go around selling a fucking CD-R that he can make copies of for fucking 50 cents a peice for thousands of dollars. Some preservationist you are.

Ok now I'm pissed! Show me some evidence you moron!
The only "copy" of Mario I've offered to sell before is my other
official copy you maggot.

This is exactly why Frank can go kiss my ass.
He has penis envy because sadly he doesn't have half
the brains I do to make a copy to dump on his little website
and when he pestered me to do it for him I told him to go away
and if he really wanted it that badly to give me stuff.

Now the poor little broken hearted manchild is just talking
crap because he has nobody to help him, and is fucked.

Poor Frank. HAH!

Li Wang

01-20-2003, 04:40 PM

portnoyd

01-20-2003, 05:37 PM

Enjoy the proto kid because NOBODY
will be able to copy it for you. NOBODY!

Hey RW,

You copied it, didn't you?

If you did, then you figured it out how to do it. What says no one else will?

dave

RW^OlderGames

01-20-2003, 05:39 PM

@RW: You do realize your childish posts here are doing nothing but reinforce the suggestion that you're the one who is unreasonable, don't you? I can't possibly imagine anyone with any point of view on this matter reading them and coming away with anything but a negative impression of you. You seriously need to take a pill or something because you're making yourself and your company look bad to everyone who reads these forums.

By the way, those are some nice XBOX and PS2 mod chip banner ads on your site. A "fucking pirate" in "today's definition" also includes having, selling, or aiding in the acquirement of such devices, regardless of the intention in what they would be used for. So I guess that makes 2 of you.

All I have to say on this matter is that Frank has no merit in coming
to these forums and knocking me for refusing to copy SMWW for
him. We went through this all before (about 3 months ago) and even
though I don't know who YOU are you don't even know whats going
on. My stance is I refuse to copy this and that's not changing.

If you feel that defending myself by calling him on his lies I'm
somehow affecting how people feel about OlderGames you
are definately the one who is being childish.

Slandering me publicly doesn't make me look immature, in fact it's
quite the opposite. That is all I really have to say about this - good
luck to him I always said that and I hope he succeeds but he needs
to learn to keep himself under control because my company's stance
on SMWW isn't a cause for his blatant knocking of our efforts.

And if you think I should just sit here and take his shit then obviously
your a passivist and don't know what it means to stand up for yourself Li Wang.

I'm to busy for this bullshit. You know where I stand and thats that.

TheRedEye

01-20-2003, 06:29 PM

Wow. I'm not even sure how to reply to this.

First of all, yes. That post above was my friend Ian, not me. I gave him my account info to check out a private thread, because I didn't want to force him to sign up for an account he'd never use just to read something I found interesting, and so after being tipped off about this thread he just used my account to reply. Sorry about any confusion. Now then:

Hey I bought and XBOX like 6 months ago, I'm going to take one out of Toys R Us because afterall since I bought it once I can always take another when I feel like it right? Certainly not theft eh? But my XBOX was a special unreleased one.. Maybe I shold call Bill Gates an asshole because he refused to make me 5 more for free right?

I assume this is an argument against why you shouldn't be obliged to copy, or even assist in me copying, Super Mario's Wacky Worlds. And frankly, I agree. I think it's a tad ridiculous, but I don't hold any blame or ill-will toward you because of it. Not only was this clarified in a private email, it was also clarified in the Propellar Arena thread you seem to be replying to. In the future, I suggest reading a statement before replying to it. Let's move on.

And you say I'm selling copies of this? What kind of little
shit do you think you are? You have a lot of nerve to open
your mouth and like like that without any proof.

Again, R.W., I really do suggest investing in enough time to actually read written words before you form a rebuttal. I don't recall once claiming that you are selling copies of Super Mario's Wacky Worlds.

As for calling me a "little shit"...please, R.W. You're a respectable business man. You're better than that.

I have no proof of you selling copies of the game. I don't need proof because, frankly, I don't believe you are. I do, however, have proof that not only did you lie about having another copy of the game, but that you're also able and willing to trade it. Again, these were posted in the thread that I assume you're replying to, but for the sake of clarity and because of my newfound assumption that you didn't actually read that thread, I suppose I'm forced to display them again:

This (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=theredeye.net&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=20020903135015.15152.00001196%40mb-fy.aol.com&rnum=3) post clearly shows "your little secret" of having a second copy. Granted, I don't really care. If my intentions are to distribute the game for free, I'd be a fool to object to you having a copy. However, when combined with this (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=theredeye.net&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=20021114161425.23871.00005134%40mb-mm.aol.com&rnum=2) thread, and also combined with the fact that you are 100% unwilling in any way to help me copy this game, I'm forced to assume that you're trading Super Mario's Wacky Worlds behind my back.

So now that we're past the false accusations, childish name-calling, and misinformation due to a lack of reading comprehension, it's finally time for the real meat of your rebuttal:

Frank, you have lost my respect.
You're just another ROM & ISO pirate and
always will be.

...at least, I'm assuming this is your argument. I have argued, with substantial proof, that you have a history of lying and of trading games behind my back, and I have posted the facts and allowed the users of this forum to draw their own conclusions. Your reply to all of this is that I'm a "little shit" and that I pirate software.

...what is your point, R.W.?

Enjoy the proto kid because NOBODY
will be able to copy it for you. NOBODY!

...moving on.

I'm sorry, I must have missed the news release where he announced
sucessfully licensing rights to release Nintendo roms on his site. Tell
him I said congradulations! It's big big deal for one to legally gain permission to distribute things like StarFox 2, because afterall - Distributing something without licensed claim to it, or copyright ownership of it is.. afterall... uh.. PIRACY.

And indeed, by that logic, I'd like to see the licensing agreement that you've acquired to sell Propellar Arena on eBay (not to mention Super Mario's Wacky Worlds to me). That's not only "...uh...PIRACY," that's also profiting off of piracy, something I have never done and am completely morally opposed to doing. Not only do you not have any intellectual rights to be selling either of those games, you also have no rights to OWN those games. They are stolen company property. I fail to see how you are not a pirate as well.

From there you've gone on to explain exactly why it is that you'd consider me a software pirate, every example of which could easily be turned back to you.

This is exactly why Frank can go kiss my ass.
He has penis envy because sadly he doesn't have half
the brains I do to make a copy to dump on his little website
and when he pestered me to do it for him I told him to go away
and if he really wanted it that badly to give me stuff.

Now the poor little broken hearted manchild is just talking
crap because he has nobody to help him, and is fucked.

Poor Frank. HAH!

...again, we'll just move on. I would, however, like to know exactly how it is that I'm "fucked," if you wouldn't mind explaining.

Your third thread came while I was in the middle of writing the one you're reading now.

All I have to say on this matter is that Frank has no merit in coming
to these forums and knocking me for refusing to copy SMWW for
him. We went through this all before (about 3 months ago) and even
though I don't know who YOU are you don't even know whats going
on. My stance is I refuse to copy this and that's not changing.

Again, I hold no ill-will towards you not wanting to help copy the game. I, again, think it's absolutely ridiculous to assume that I'd sell bootleg copies of your releases, but I understand that you're trying to maintain the integrity of your company.

I do, however, suggest that in the future, you avoid referring to customers who have complaints against you as being "little shits" with "penis envy" who "can kiss your ass." Is this an official company reply to my consumer complaint?

If you feel that defending myself by calling him on his lies I'm
somehow affecting how people feel about OlderGames you
are definately the one who is being childish.

When, exactly, did I lie? And what lies are you calling me on?

As for the rest of your third thread, I really have nothing to say. I've said nothing to make you look immature. If anyone were to draw that conclusion, it would be from your replies in this thread.

Also, the word is "pacifist," not "passivist."

I'm sorry that you've lost respect for me over this matter, R.W., though I frankly can't see how I'm in the wrong.

Now then. If I may, I'd like to get back to the point of this thread.

Zektor: thanks for the two suggestions. I haven't tried them out yet, but I will soon and let you know how it goes. I've been away for a few days, so I didn't have the chance to see your reply.

Also, I'm sorry this thread turned out the way it did. As you can see, I didn't intend for that to happen, and I haven't been around to stop it. R.W., if you want to call me any other silly names, I think zektor and I would appreciate if you did it elsewhere.

Li Wang

01-20-2003, 07:07 PM

All I have to say on this matter is that Frank has no merit in coming
to these forums and knocking me for refusing to copy SMWW for
him. We went through this all before (about 3 months ago) and even
though I don't know who YOU are you don't even know whats going
on.

I assure you I do indeed know what's going on and have been following this whole situation from the beginning. Anyway, I'm not going to bother explaining how laughable your claims of "slander" and other such nonsense are since Frank already owned you. LOL

Sardius

01-20-2003, 07:44 PM

Kinda off the subject, but was that "NOBODY will help you! NOBODY!" thing supposed to be followed by maniacal laughter and lightning striking? I got that impression right away. But maybe it's just me.

Oh, and hiya, peoples. I play games. What up.

Bojay1997

01-20-2003, 08:33 PM

<And indeed, by that logic, I'd like to see the licensing agreement that you've acquired to sell Propellar Arena on eBay (not to mention Super Mario's Wacky Worlds to me). That's not only "...uh...PIRACY," that's also profiting off of piracy, something I have never done and am completely morally opposed to doing. Not only do you not have any intellectual rights to be selling either of those games, you also have no rights to OWN those games. They are stolen company property. I fail to see how you are not a pirate as well.>

I have to agree with this. Although I respect what Oldergames is trying to do with their releases, by going on Ebay and selling stolen property which belongs to companies which are still in business, they are clearly in violation of the law. I am also skeptical of their "licensing agreements". While I am certain that they have contacted and received permission from many of the programmers on the Sega CD and CDi whose software they are selling, they have not always gone all the way and gotten permission from the current right holders. For example, Citizen X was part of the intellectual property of Digital Pictures when it went under. Sega also still had rights to the title since it was a piece of software they commissioned and paid DP to develop. I know for a fact Sega was never approached on this issue and in speaking to the current right holders to the DP intellectual property, neither were they. So, I'm not really sure what was done to "license" this title, but I would love to hear about it.

TheRedEye

01-22-2003, 12:04 AM

Okay Zektor, sorry about the late reply. WinISO suggests that the CD has a bad sector, and alcohol doesn't recognize the CD as existing at all. I tried the other three in the past, no luck.

I'm thinking my next step is an actual CD copying tower. I really don't want to go that far, but if nobody has further suggestions...

Did you try WinISO or Alcohol 120%? Two great imaging programs...just might work.

Alcohol 120%:

http://www.alcohol-soft.com

WinISO:

http://www.winiso.com

I have been ripping/copying for a long time, and have an array of backup programs. Others you can try:

Disc Juggler 4
CDRWin
Ahead Nero

You may be able to extract it with CDRWin, but I would try WinISO first. I used it recently to extract a data track on a certain game that no other program would allow. Worked great.

zektor

01-22-2003, 03:36 AM

There has to be another way. Have you tried PrimoDVD? I don't know very much about the CD-i format. I have ripped quite a few GD-roms via the BBA.....too bad the CD-i isn't that easy :) I'll keep searching for a program that may help. There has to be SOMETHING out there...

BTW: When you try to create an image of the CD in DJ, are you using a Cd-rom unit or a DVD-rom unit? THis may very well make a big difference...

TheRedEye

01-22-2003, 12:11 PM

Raedon

01-22-2003, 01:59 PM

CD-I cd's are Multimedia audio CD's. There is no protection on these discs. If cloneCD can't do it your out of luck as it reads and rights in RAW data like blindwrite. I would suggest trying cloneCD agian but right click the "multimedia audio cd" icon (when you get to that selection) and change the READ speed from MAX to 1x. Also you want to READ the CD from the cd-rw drive you will be WRITING with, not a different drive.

On a different note I've never had CloneCD tell me it couldn't burn a cd, even a bad rip. If you haven't used a different computer/burner you might do so.

TheRedEye

01-22-2003, 05:36 PM

I'll try enabling the 1x option, but keep in mind that this isn't a CD-i game. This is a CD-i PROTOTYPE. It uses a unique encryption method.

I'll have to try a different computer, I guess, because if I insert the CD into my CD burning drive, it freezes Windows. Seriously.

zektor

01-22-2003, 10:47 PM

Freezes Windows? Hmm. What version of Windows are you running? If you are running anything other than WinXP, you should enable direct memory access (DMA) on all the IDE channels your cd-rom drives are on. WinXP enables DMA on them by default, while other versions of windows (9x/ME/2K) do not by default. Not enabling DMA on these drives can cause freeze ups, DVD's to play choppy..etc. If that isn't your problem, perhaps a re-load is in order :)

Raedon

01-23-2003, 01:09 PM

..and turn off auto-play would also be a guess..

trying a friends burner would be a good idea though.

zektor

01-23-2003, 04:05 PM

Yep. Many times it is just the burner that is at fault. I know a few people that can't even burn the Dreamcast emulators because their burners won't support the writing of multiple sessions.

D_N_G

01-23-2003, 06:26 PM

Frank, I have a professional CD copying Tower at work. If you dont have an alternative Tower at your expense, or you cant figure it out, Id be glad to give it a shot and help out. I also have a CD-I to test it on if it works :-D

TheRedEye

01-23-2003, 07:04 PM

Perfect. I have someone else with a tower, but no CD-i. You're my man, then. Could you make a ton of them, if it works?

D_N_G

01-23-2003, 07:16 PM

Not a problem, have a few extra spindles sitting right here. I cant 100% guarantee it will work, but might as well give it a shot. Btw, it can do 3 disks at a time.

RW^OlderGames

02-23-2003, 03:05 PM

ArnoldRimmer83

02-23-2003, 06:11 PM

TheRedEye

02-24-2003, 02:26 AM

Nice way of totally avoiding every point I made there, R.W.

Three things:

1. I found a guy you sold a copy to. I particularly liked his anecdote about how you told him I "call you every week, begging" for help in copying this. Kind of funny, since I dropped it after one brief email conversation.

2. I also found a way to copy the game.

3. Boy, Half Life for Dreamcast sure is awesome.

Ballz

02-24-2003, 02:42 AM

Not a problem, have a few extra spindles sitting right here. I cant 100% guarantee it will work, but might as well give it a shot. Btw, it can do 3 disks at a time.

Well... It's been a month. Guess I was right, huh? -_-
Let me see... Did we copy mario yet? No?! Too bad. LOL

http://industry.yuudachi.net/kantyo.gif

Just so no one takes this the wrong way, this has become my "universal idiot response system." I printed it out last night and stuck it on my neighbor's door after they wouldn't quiet their party down, even after the cops arrived. I like to think it says more than words ever could.

Blackjax

02-24-2003, 02:55 AM

Well... It's been a month. Guess I was right, huh? -_-
Let me see... Did we copy mario yet? No?! Too bad. LOL

Since you like calling other people names, and you seem to have revived this thread out of nothing but spite, I think I'll sink to your level for a moment.

R.W, you are a pathetic troll

Now go away.

DreamTR

02-25-2003, 01:32 PM

Half life may be awesome, but so is Propeelor Arena and Test Drive Cycles!

zektor

02-25-2003, 01:49 PM

Seeing RedEye has found a way to copy the game (which if I remember correctly was the topic of discussion in the first place?) and I see where this old revived thread is going:

TOPIC CLOSED.

If you guys want to continue it, take it to the Battlezone.