Emulation...my last topic was locked

[Avenger]

ok, i don't know why my topic was locked, i was first asking if it was ok, THEN i had an actual question...I just didn't want to cause trouble by full out asking straight away...

so now to my real question...i want to get a genesis emulator, which is the best?

[NE146]

Gens is the best.

[Avenger]

thanks, yea i had that one, couldn't get it to work...so i got rid of it, and installed it again and now it works great...very odd...i just have 1 more question though.

I want to just have only US released roms, but i have a bunch of Roms for each game, and they all have different names:

Zombies (E) [!]
Zombies Ate My Neighbors (U) [b1]
Zombies Ate My Neighbors (U) [c][!]
Zombies Ate My Neighbors (U) [f1]
Zombies Ate My Neighbors (U) [f2]
Zombies Ate My Neighbors (U) [f3]
Zombies Ate My Neighbors (U) [h1C]
Zombies Ate My Neighbors (U) [h2C]
Zombies Ate My Neighbors (U) [h3C]
Zombies Ate My Neighbors (U) [h4C]

so what do these all mean and what are the differences?

[Bratwurst]

[E] means Europe, [U] means USA, [J] is Japan, so on. Ideally, you want the rom that has a [!] next to it, because this is supposed to be the proper dump and doesn't have excess data garbage in the file. Most roms play in emulators regardless of overdumps though.

[Avenger]

so the [!] means nothing has been messed with?

so what do [c] [b1] etc etc mean...and what does it mean when you have the [c][!] together?

[Veepa]

http://www.edgeemu.com/faq.php?q=goodcodes

[Avenger]

http://www.edgeemu.com/faq.php?q=goodcodes

oh thanks man that is perfect, i was hoping there would be a list like this :D

Thanks a bunch

[NE146]

Geezus H do a little research :P They're the codes from Cowering's "Good Tools" suite for categorizing this stuff. Here it is pasted for your homework reading pleasure..


..................
...............: STANDARD CODES ::...............
: :\
: [a] Alternate [p] Pirate :\
: [b] Bad Dump [t] Trained :\
: [f] Fixed [T-] OldTranslation :\
: [T+] NewerTranslation :\
: [h] Hack (-) Unknown Year :\
: [o] Overdump [!] Verified Good Dump :\
: (M#) Multilanguage (# of Languages) :\
: (###) Checksum (??k) ROM Size :\
: ZZZ_ Unclassified (Unl) Unlicensed :\
:.............................................. .:\
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

.................
................: SPECIAL CODES ::...............
: :\
: .-----Gameboy-----. .----Super Nintendo----. :\
: [ [C] Color ] [ (BS) BS ROMs ] :\
: [ [S] Super ] [ (ST) Sufami Turbo ] :\
: [ [BF] Bung Fix ] [ (NP) Nintendo Power ] :\
: `-----------------' `----------------------' :\
: .--------Atari---------. :\
: .-----Genesis-----. [ (PAL) Euro Version ] :\
: [ (1) Japan ] `----------------------' :\
: [ (4) USA ] .---------GBA----------. :\
: [ (5) NTSC Only ] [ [hI??] Intro hacks ] :\
: [ (8) PAL Only ] `----------------------' :\
: [ (B) non USA ] .--------Coleco--------. :\
: [ [c] Checksum ] [ (Adam) ADAM Version ] :\
: [ [x] Bad Checksum] `----------------------' :\
: [ [R-] Countries ] :\
: `-----------------' :\
: .--------NES/FC--------. :\
: .--NeoGeo Pocket--. [ (PC10) PlayChoice 10 ] :\
: [ [M] Mono Only ] [ (VS) Versus ] :\
: `-----------------' [ [hFFE] FFE Copier fmt] :\
: `----------------------' :\
:.............................................. .:\
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

.................
................: COUNTRY CODES ::...............
: :\
: (1) Japan & Korea (4) USA & BrazilNTSC :\
: (A) Australia (J) Japan :\
: (B) non USA (Genesis) (K) Korea :\
: (C) China (NL) Netherlands :\
: (E) Europe (PD) Public Domain :\
: (F) France (S) Spain :\
: (F) World (Genesis) :\
: (FC) French Canadian (SW) Sweden :\
: (FN) Finland (U) USA :\
: (G) Germany (UK) England :\
: (GR) Greece (Unk) Unknown Country :\
: (HK) Hong Kong (I) Italy :\
: (H) Holland (Unl) Unlicensed :\
:.............................................. .:\
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

.......................
.............: STANDARD CODE NOTES ::............
: :\
: [a] This is simply an alternate version of a :\
: ROM. Many games have been re-released to :\
: fix bugs or even to eliminate Game Genie :\
: codes (Yes, Nintendo hates that device). :\
: ------------------- :\
: [b] A bad dump often occurs with an older :\
: game or a faulty dumper (bad connection). :\
: Another common source of [b] ROMs is a :\
: corrupted upload to a release FTP. :\
: ------------------- :\
: [f] A fixed game has been altered in some way :\
: so that it will run better on a copier :\
: or emulator. :\
: ------------------- :\
: [h] Something in this ROM is not quite as it :\
: should be. Often a hacked ROM simply has :\
: a changed header or has been enabled to :\
: run in different regions. Other times it :\
: could be a release group intro, or just :\
: some kind of cheating or funny hack. :\
: ------------------- :\
: [o] An overdumped ROM image has more data :\
: than is actually in the cart. The extra :\
: information means nothing and is removed :\
: from the true image. :\
: ------------------- :\
: [t] A trainer is special code which executes :\
: before the game is begun. It allows you :\
: to access cheats from a menu. :\
: ------------------- :\
: [!] Verified good dump. Thank God for these! :\
:.............................................. .:\
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

......................
.............: SPECIAL CODE NOTES ::.............
: :\
: **** SNES **** :\
: (BS) These Japanese ROMs were distributed :\
: through a satellite system in Japan :\
: known as the Broadcast Satellaview. :\
: They were transmitted along with a TV :\
: show which was connected to the game in :\
: some way. These games were only playable :\
: during the show, and thus stop after an :\
: hour, and many were timed so that only :\
: certain time periods were playable. :\
: ------------------- :\
: (ST) The Sufami Turbo device allowed two :\
: GameBoy sized carts to be plugged into :\
: the SNES. Certain carts combined into :\
: new games much like the Sonic & Knuckles :\
: lock-on technology by Sega. :\
: ------------------- :\
: (NP) Nintendo Power has been known to release :\
: games only available to its subscribers. :\
: Most of these ROMs are Japanese, as this :\
: practice occured mainly in Japan. :\
: ------------------- :\
: :\
: **** Genesis **** :\
: (1) Carts with this code will run on both :\
: Japanese and Korean machines. :\
: ------------------- :\
: (4) While this code is technically the same :\
: as a (U) code, it is a newer header :\
: format and represents that the cart will :\
: run on USA and Brazil NTSC machines. :\
: ------------------- :\
: (B) This country code indicates that the :\
: cart will run on any non US machine. :\
: ------------------- :\
: [c] This code represents a cart with known :\
: faulty checksum routines. :\
: ------------------- :\
: :\
: **** GameBoy **** :\
: [BF] Bung released a programmable cartridge :\
: compatable with the GameBoy which could :\
: hold any data you wished to play. :\
: However, many games do not function on :\
: Bung v1.0 carts and have to be 'fixed.' :\
: ------------------- :\
: :\
: **** Nintendo **** :\
: PC10 The PlayChoice 10 was an arcade unit :\
: which played exact copies of NES games :\
: in an arcade cabinet. The machines had a :\
: choice of 10 games to choose from and :\
: ran for about 3 minutes on 25 cents. :\
: ------------------- :\
: :\
: VS The Versus system ran on similar hard- :\
: ware to the PC10 machines, but simply :\
: allowed you to play against each other. :\
:.............................................. .:\
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[Elusive]

Kega Fusion sounds a lot better and has a higher compatability rate than Gens IMO. Try them both, make your own choice.

[kaustik]

For your clicking pleasure...
http://allgoodthings.us/mambo/

[Flack]

ok, i don't know why my topic was locked, i was first asking if it was ok, THEN i had an actual question...I just didn't want to cause trouble by full out asking straight away...

so now to my real question...i want to get a genesis emulator, which is the best?

Your last topic was locked because you asked a simple question which I answered by referring you to the FAQ (which you should have read before posting in the first place).

Of course that topic was really just like foreshadowing, as it seems to have led to another topic that also could have been easily answered by merely searching with Google.

What amazes me more than that however is the fact that someone with such low searching ability (no offense) was able to download a complete collection of Sega Genesis games. That makes me think that maybe the media is right; if people of this competence level are able to download entire software libraries, then maybe it is time to go after the peer-to-peer networks and shut them down. I was under the impression that, at least at one time, it took a certain level of tecchnical knowledge, eptitude, and curiosity to get into the emulation scene. I think this post just made me realize how low the lowest common denominator has actally become.

By simply typing "best genesis emulator" into Google one can find not only the answers, but also direct links to download them as well! Plus of course, as we have already determined, finding the ROMs is apparently of no challenge either. No doubt, the next post will be "how come this doesn't work right".

Please don't take this personal, as it's not aimed directly at you but more at your entire generation. I could bore you with a million "back in my day" stories, but instead I'll just pick one.

Back when BBSs were still king and the Internet was still learning to crawl, a friend of a friend told me about "emulation". He said these other guys were talking about it on this pay BBS (which was also long distance). So to get my first emulator, I called this long distance pay BBS (which means I paid not only for the phone call but also to access to the board) to download my first NES emulator -- which turned out to be in Japanese. My friend had already downloaded the ROM so he put it on a disk and drove over to my house, and for the next four hours we sat around trying to get the damn thing to work. We'd try different switches, try making sense of the documentation, and more or less bang our heads against the wall trying to figure it all out (about a week later, an English version of the documentation was released). iNES worked; not great, but it ran. The little program pushed my 486 to its limit.

It's amazing to me -- no, amazing is the wrong word. It completely bewilders me that kids today have access to the greatest knowledge base tool of all time - THE INTERNET and still refuse to use it.

We've given an entire generation access to the greatest weapon of all time and they're all either too stupid or too lazy to figure out how to pull the trigger.

[Flack]

Whoops! I was having such a good time I almost forgot to mention this thread.

Best Genesis Emulator?
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24280

[SuperNES]

wow, flack. you said it. :eek 2:

http://www.maj.com/gallery/Nuhvok-2000/FunnyStuff/owned.gif

[Avenger]

well considering that topic was started in 2003, i figured there might be a new best genesis emulator...no need to call me stupid i was searching, and i already had Gens, but i wanted to know what other people thought...and i know emulation can be a touchy subject, so i wanted to be careful before starting an emulation topic, becuz i like DP a lot, and i know if people start talking about stuff they shouldnt, DP can get in trouble...so relax, you don't have to be such an asshole. How am i refusing to use the internet? Every Genesis emulator site is going to say its the best, and i have come to find that DP is the best source for ALL game info, so i wanted to ask here...you know, to use the DP Forum, without some high and mighty mod trying to make me feel stupid for asking questions.

[Dahne]

/highfive Flack

[SuperNES]

for any future emulating needs you should check out www.emulator-zone.com. that's where i always go.

[Avenger]

well I guess if everyone here thinks like Flack, and thinks people are stupid for asking question, i won't be posting here anymore...I did all the research, but i still like(ed) to ask what people thought here at DP. I told ALL my gamer friends about DP "you can ask ANYTHING here and you'll have a reply within minutes, and everyone is really nice too"...Flack's just embarressed cuz he locked a topic when he shouldnt have because i SAID i had more questions, and has to try and make me look stupid, and as i was being polite to everyone, it was totally uncalled for...I think someones taking his Mod privaledges too far here.

[Bratwurst]

Flack's no asshole, he's got a right to rant. Everyday there's ten newbie questions that have been asked to death and could have been answered by inputting the phrase in Google.

On the other side of the coin, people are going to continue asking silly questions regardless. There's a question in the technical forum right now asking about Mario Paint's mouse working with or without the original mousepad. x_x

[Flack]

well I guess if everyone here thinks like Flack, and thinks people are stupid for asking question, i won't be posting here anymore...I did all the research, but i still like(ed) to ask what people thought here at DP. I told ALL my gamer friends about DP "you can ask ANYTHING here and you'll have a reply within minutes, and everyone is really nice too"...Flack's just embarressed cuz he locked a topic when he shouldnt have because i SAID i had more questions, and has to try and make me look stupid, and as i was being polite to everyone, it was totally uncalled for...I think someones taking his Mod privaledges too far here.

I said about 19 times in that post that it wasn't personally directed towards you -- I pretty much think everyone your age is equally as lazy. I don't believe that you "did the research" first either here or on Google. If you had searched here first you would have found that old post and bumped it by saying, "is this information still accurate?" If you had used Google you would have found Zophar's, GeoShock or a number of other sites which all recommend Gens and Kega.

It wasn't my intention to make you look stupid at all. In fact, you're doing a better job of it than I ever could.

Carry on, kids.

[Avenger]

I have Zophar bookmarked, and that is always the first place I go when i want to find Emulation info...it the case of NES and SNES they have THE BEST ONE listed as such, in the case of Genesis ,they did not make it clear...yes i should have bumped the old genesis topic, your right on that, but that doesnt make me lazy or stupid...like I keep saying i did the research but unfortunatly as we all know, most of the internet is crap...and i always value the input on DP more than anywhere else...is there anything wrong with that?

And just as you don't have to believe that i "did the research', I don't have to beleive your not a crabby old man who has nothing better to do with his time than try and look high and mighty over everyone else...and because of the fact that even if you win a fight on the internet, your still an idiot, I'm done here...shows what you get for asking a couple little questions...this is just ridiculous becuase 90% of the topics on DP could be answered with using google or anything else, its pathetic you have to pick on me Flack

[Ed Oscuro]

this is just ridiculous becuase 90% of the topics on DP could be answered with using google or anything else
Well then, get to it. Give us that 90% back ;D

[Avenger]

this is just ridiculous becuase 90% of the topics on DP could be answered with using google or anything else
Well then, get to it. Give us that 90% back ;D

well at least someone knows how to be funny ;)

oh yea i ment to say thanks to the ppl who sent the helpful links. I owe yah one. :cheers:

[Griking]

Chalk me up as one of the few who thinks that Flack was a bit harsh.



By simply typing "best genesis emulator" into Google one can find not only the answers, but also direct links to download them as well! Plus of course, as we have already determined, finding the ROMs is apparently of no challenge either. No doubt, the next post will be "how come this doesn't work right".

Before reading Avenger's later responses I assumed that he was looking for our opinions and not Google answers. Some of the responses that Google returns can be a bit out dated. I suppose his posting this question here in the first place is a side effect of removing the Emulation forum that we used to have here.


Please don't take this personal, as it's not aimed directly at you but more at your entire generation.

Wow, that was a bit harsh. That's like saying, "Don't take this personal but you wifes a whore". How is one not supposed to take that personally? Besides, I don't remember seeing where he told us his age.

Oh and don't take this personally (:evil:) but the search tool here sucks. I've tried searching for certain topics here numberous times and have gotten back results with so many hits that it makes it useless. As an example I just I typed "Best Genesis Emulator" into the search engine and got two pages of responses with real relevant subjects such as the following

"Will Commodore 1702 monitor do RGB?"
"I'm getting rid of my entire collection of NES stuff"
"New PStwo not hard drive compatible"
"X-Box 2 specs released!"
"The Snes Scene and Snes Memories"

...and buch bunch of other winners.

I'm not really trying to attack Flack or defend Avenger, it's just that I can see enough of Avenger's side of this that I don't think that he should have been flamed in the first place and then kicked when he was down.

I don't know. This is just my own opinion. To each their own I guess.

[Flack]

Oh and don't take this personally (:evil:) but the search tool here sucks. I've tried searching for certain topics here numberous times and have gotten back results with so many hits that it makes it useless.

To each their own I guess.

Why would I take that personal? I didn't write it -- I'm forced to use it just like you guys are. The fact remains that if you're looking for the best Genesis emulator and can't find a post titled "Best Genesis Emulator?" then you've got problems.

And I stand behind my comments made about his entire generation. Sure, it's a general comment, but time after time I see posts like this which all seem to come from the same age group. There are exceptions to every rule, and I would be the first to admit that DP has its share of bright young adults. Of course, I didn't turn this into a debate about intelligence, you guys did. I said he was either stupid OR lazy. And you're right -- he never DID state his age. Wasn't it amazing that I was able to determine it from the level of whining included?

I don't think it's any worse of a generalization than calling me a "crabby old man". Maybe I am. Maybe I'm more disappointed in today's youth than anything.

Anyway, you guys carry on, I'll butt out.

[Yago]

Whenever I post a topic, which is as rare as my Halloween cart for the Atari 2600, I always use the search first, even if it means browsing pages of other topics that have nothing to do with the search phrase. It does get old seeing the same topics posted repeatedly. I am going to go with the "Back in the day" route. I had to endure using BBS's on a 2400 baud modem. When one was able to get software, it never came with docs. You had to push buttons to figure out what they do. As with almost 90% of the Amiga games I got off of boards. You had to figure stuff out. In my opinion (which don't amount to a pile of ____) I feel that people don't really care to do the research anymore. To me, that is half the fun! But of course, if I could help somebody out when I knew something they did not and could not find on thier own, I would. However, I don't know much :D We didn't have "moderators" or "admins," we had "sysops." Right Flack ;)

[Avenger]

Flack you keep refering to my age group...how old do you think i am?

and the main point of my topic, before Flack turned it into , "Why Younger People Are Stupid And/Or Lazy" was to see what people thought was the best Genesis emulator....last time i checked Google doesn't play emulators and he can't tell me which one he things is the best...yes i had links to all the emulators but it's pointless to go through ALL of them to see which is the best. I have all the main emulator sites bookmarked, you dont have to believe me but I have had them there for a very long time. Your acting like i woke up and sat at the computer and came straight here to start a topic...ive been looking into Genesis Emulation for a while now but I've been busy with my SNES emulators.

and Flack, make up your mind...first you talk trash about me, then you say "whoa hold up, im not talking directly to you stop making yourself look stupid" then you JUST said that I am either stupid or Lazy...and no, nobody thinks your amazing for imagining what my age is, you still have not actually said how old you think i am

anyways thanks Griking for backing me up

[digitalpress]

this is just ridiculous becuase 90% of the topics on DP could be answered with using google or anything else

Conversely, you could argue that 90% of the questions that you might ask would return a DP URL.

But what I really want to say here is: please don't taunt the mods. If you don't like the answers you get, get them somewhere else. We've been doing this a long time. If you don't trust our guys, go away.

[Avenger]

It's not my fault if Flack comes in here and starts being a jerk as he clearly was, saying that i'm stupid or lazy...Mods are suppost to Moderate, not put people down, this wasn't even a stupid topic, all i ever wanted to know was what people thought was the best Genesis emulator...so I don't see how i get the blame for anything, i was the one who said how much i like DP so go talk to Flack about how he's acting

Sorry if oyu thought i was taunting him, but he shouldnt have locked my first topic, so he's not doing his job properly

[digitalpress]

You just can't reach some people.

LOCK.