What is Sony Doing with the PSP?

[neotokeo2001]

More Japanese numbers:

Platform................Total Sales to Date
=========================
Nintendo DS..................2,608,549
PSP...............................1,502,713
GameBoy Advance SP.....5,396,980

Beautiful. Out of context. Without launch dates. Completely meaningless and without any relevance (as presented) to the conversation at hand.

Spoken like a true Sony fan. :)

Spoken like someone who's had at the very least a high-school level course in statistics.

How can total unit sales to date be out of context, meaningless and without any relevance? The DS continues to outsell the PSP every week in Japan so that gap is growing bigger. The original post in this thread asked, "What is Sony Doing with the PSP?". With both Nintendo and Sony based in Japan I think the Japanese market is important because the sales numbers are based on games being sold, not some cool factor or UMD movies like in the US. If you want to pay that much for a handheld system for the right to watch movies and then pay $40-$50 to play low res PS2 ports then I hope you are happy with it. Just don't take it out of the house because if you drop it don't expect it to keep on working, and that's if you don't get it stolen.

The emulation market is great and it may help sells of the PSP but it will also increase pirate activity. Sony wants you to buy software after you buy the PSP and in Japan the DS is beating the PSP in that stat also. I would quote the US numbers but they are hard to find and not as accurate as the Japanese numbers. Zach can probably find those.

I respect Zach, Even if he seems to have a soft spot for the PSP ;) , Because he uses facts to back up his arguments.

Unlike petewhitley who tosses out a statement followed by a personal shot at someone he knows nothing about. If the statement was made in jest then you have to use one of those little smiley faces like the one above as it is hard to change a tone by just a statement. The Sony fan statement was made as a joke.

I think I just racked up a few Mesetas. :hmm:

[buttasuperb]

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE CARE ABOUT SALES NUMBERS?

Do any of you work for Sony or Nintendo?

[neotokeo2001]

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE CARE ABOUT SALES NUMBERS?

Do any of you work for Sony or Nintendo?

I don't care when the sales between the companies are close, but when you get one company dominating like Sony is today, and Nintendo has in the past, You start getting a lot of strange demands and restricted marketing. Like the Sony no 2D policy that has thankfully taken a step back after some high 2D sales. If Microsoft or Nintendo were in the same position as Sony I would feel the same thing about them.

And NO, I don't work for Sony or Nintendo. But I have worked for SEGA. :evil:

[zmweasel]

With both Nintendo and Sony based in Japan I think the Japanese market is important because the sales numbers are based on games being sold, not some cool factor or UMD movies like in the US.

I would agree that the Japanese market is important, but Japanese consumers certainly aren't immune to the cool factor. It's just that their definition of "cool" is often quite different.

And don't forget what drove early PS2 sales in Japan: the system's ability to play DVDs.

I also suspect that not a few Japanese males will buy a PSP to watch bukkake UMDs on the bullet train during their daily commutes to and from their coffin-sized homes. As I recall, they've released a PSP screen-film in Japan that obscures the screen unless you're viewing it directly.


If you want to pay that much for a handheld system for the right to watch movies and then pay $40-$50 to play low res PS2 ports then I hope you are happy with it. Just don't take it out of the house because if you drop it don't expect it to keep on working, and that's if you don't get it stolen.

The kiddie-demographic GBA Video carts have done decent biz for Majesco, and there's a booming business in the rental of portable DVD players at airports. There's certainly a demand for watching movies on the go.

As for "low-res PS2 ports," the only thing that makes them any more offensive in my mind than the DS's N64 and GBA ports is the higher price point. Then again, you're paying for spiffier production values.

As for the observations in that last sentence, do you know of anyone who's dropped a PSP and had it stop working? (Not that I place faith in anecdotal evidence, but I doubt Sony is tracking the number of dropped PSPs sent in for repair.) And what makes the PSP more likely to be stolen than a DS or GBA SP?


The emulation market is great and it may help sells of the PSP but it will also increase pirate activity. Sony wants you to buy software after you buy the PSP and in Japan the DS is beating the PSP in that stat also. I would quote the US numbers but they are hard to find and not as accurate as the Japanese numbers. Zach can probably find those.

I can't find North American tie-in sales stats for the PSP and DS since they went head-to-head, but I admittedly haven't dug very deep.

-- Z.

[zmweasel]

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE CARE ABOUT SALES NUMBERS?

If you're a fan of a particular console or game, you have a natural curiosity as to whether it's selling or dying at retail. Sales numbers deliver that information.

Example: I liked Pac-Pix, and was shocked to see that it tanked in North America. Now I'm wondering what killed it here. Poor marketing? Lukewarm reviews? A use of the touch-screen that players didn't care for? And does this indicate rough waters ahead for Pac 'n Roll?

Example: Of all the first-party franchise entries for the GameCube, which one has sold the most? Super Smash Bros. Melee, the game that delivers the most violent experience. What does this say about the GameCube market, and about the average GameCube owner?

I like asking these questions, and trying to come up with answers.

-- Z.

[ubersaurus]

Pac-Pix=my favorite DS game that I've played so far. More fun, to me, than Kirby even is.

[Mitch_Naz]

Everybobdy seems to be just defending their investments - It doesn't take a blind person to see that the PSP is lacking but it is still early, it came with a great launch but I can only hope it goes further because I've invested in this slick portable. My problem is the PS2 ports (stop deining it) and all these UMD movies, hey its a cool idea but seem to be too expensive (Predator for $30 Cdn !).

As in regard of the stolen and quality issue noted previously, the PSP has a way higger chance of being stolen than any gameboy or DS, just look at the thing - anybobdy in the know, would mostly likey want this hybird portable than a DS, because its has more value and more features (isnt that obvious ? I feel dumb even writing this). And the quality, give me a break - I droped my poor DS on solid wood and it works fine with a litte dent on the side. God forbid that were my PSP, I have to wear the wrist strap while using it to be safe. And the thing cost a pretty penny for most average joe's to replace. How about repairs ? doesnt that come out of our pockets ?

I probably came off bashing the poor PSP my whole post but I need to see more real games, the only thing that keeps me asured is GTA and that shouldn't be the case. For the time being, I'll just be playing my DS which really seems to be picking up and lets hope it stays that way to really open sony's eyes that horsepower isnt everything.

[zmweasel]

As in regard of the stolen and quality issue noted previously, the PSP has a way higger chance of being stolen than any gameboy or DS, just look at the thing - anybobdy in the know, would mostly likey want this hybird portable than a DS, because its has more value and more features (isnt that obvious ? I feel dumb even writing this).

I would argue that an adult owner of a PSP is far more likely to keep close tabs on his $250 handheld than a teen or child owner of a GBA SP that his parents bought him.

And I'll repeat my plea for anecdotal evidence: has anyone here actually had a portable system stolen from them?

-- Z.

[petewhitley]

How can total unit sales to date be out of context, meaningless and without any relevance? The DS continues to outsell the PSP every week in Japan so that gap is growing bigger ...I respect Zach, Even if he seems to have a soft spot for the PSP ;) , Because he uses facts to back up his arguments.

Unlike petewhitley who tosses out a statement followed by a personal shot at someone he knows nothing about. If the statement was made in jest then you have to use one of those little smiley faces like the one above as it is hard to change a tone by just a statement. The Sony fan statement was made as a joke.

I think I just racked up a few Mesetas. :hmm:

The PSP outsold the DS every week (in Japan) in 2005 until the release of Nintendogs. You're talking out of your ass, bringing up stats that do not directly relate to this conversation (statistics are not facts in relation to any given arguement; ergo, this argument is about what Sony is doing with the PSP in regards to software, and your release-to-date hardware sales data for three different systems has no bearing on Sony's video-game release date market strategy). Basically, you're talking irrelevant gibberish out of your ass and I'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you. Zach is a nice guy with a bit more tolerance for blind ignorance than I do.

[Mayhem]

And I'll repeat my plea for anecdotal evidence: has anyone here actually had a portable system stolen from them?

Yes. A couple of friends of mine have been robbed/mugged for their PSPs.

[neotokeo2001]

How can total unit sales to date be out of context, meaningless and without any relevance? The DS continues to outsell the PSP every week in Japan so that gap is growing bigger ...I respect Zach, Even if he seems to have a soft spot for the PSP ;) , Because he uses facts to back up his arguments.

Unlike petewhitley who tosses out a statement followed by a personal shot at someone he knows nothing about. If the statement was made in jest then you have to use one of those little smiley faces like the one above as it is hard to change a tone by just a statement. The Sony fan statement was made as a joke.

I think I just racked up a few Mesetas. :hmm:

The PSP outsold the DS every week (in Japan) in 2005 until the release of Nintendogs. You're talking out of your ass, bringing up stats that do not directly relate to this conversation (statistics are not facts in relation to any given arguement; ergo, this argument is about what Sony is doing with the PSP in regards to software, and your release-to-date hardware sales data for three different systems has no bearing on Sony's video-game release date market strategy). Basically, you're talking irrelevant gibberish out of your ass and I'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you. Zach is a nice guy with a bit more tolerance for blind ignorance than I do.

This is a software sales chart so it does indeed relate to the conversation.
http://www.f-ism.net/fmds/new_img/guraph02.gif

Sony pulled a no-show with the PSP at E3 not even mentioning it at their conference basically leaving it to the 3rd parties to make a showing. Sony likes pounding the numbers when they have a lead but go quiet when the numbers don't fall on their side. Why not shout the success
they have had with the PSP in the US?

petewhitley, Let's leave my ass out of this. :roll:
Since you left out the emoticon I guess you want to start a flame war instead of discussing the topic. Try Gamespot, You'll find a lot of people just like yourself. Have Fun!!
This is the last time I will reply to your input in this topic. If you want to continue it then you can send me a PM.

I have once again had no success finding US sales numbers but I did come across this article:

Wavemetrix, a company that specialises in working out what customers think of products, has released a new report on the Nintendo DS and the Sony PSP. The report, rather shockingly, reveals that the "DS is better than the PSP in every important area." This includes games, quality, screen and value. The report is based on research looking at user opinion on a vast number of internet forums. It seems that while the PSP is talked about twice as much as the DS, it just can't compete in overall customer satisfaction.

Full article here:Posted 07-08-05
http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/nid/1054/

[zmweasel]

And I'll repeat my plea for anecdotal evidence: has anyone here actually had a portable system stolen from them?

Yes. A couple of friends of mine have been robbed/mugged for their PSPs.

Give us the when, where, and how! Were your friends held up? Threatened with violence? Gang-tackled? Did these muggings occur separately, or were both friends robbed at the same time?

-- Z.

[zmweasel]

Sony pulled a no-show with the PSP at E3 not even mentioning it at their conference basically leaving it to the 3rd parties to make a showing. Sony likes pounding the numbers when they have a lead but go quiet when the numbers don't fall on their side. Why not shout the success
they have had with the PSP in the US?

That was indeed a notable omission, although Sony's primary mission with its E3 conference was to counter Microsoft's Xbox 360 hype with gobs of info about the PlayStation 3.


I have once again had no success finding US sales numbers but I did come across this article:

Unfortunately, the report cited in this article can be dismissed out of hand. The key phrase:

"[The report is] based on research looking at user opinion on a vast number of internet forums."

What constitutes "a vast number" of forums? Were these forums multi-system websites (no guarantee of neutrality; for example, the DP forums are powerfully anti-Sony/pro-Nintendo) or system-cheerleading fansites? The report doesn't say.

The author of the article points out that "According to the report, customers don't even acknowledge the great screen on the PSP, and seem happy with mediocre DS titles. The fact that a large proportion of the world hasn't been able to play the PSP yet (the PSP goes on sale in Europe on September 1st) may also have something to do with people's attitude towards the console...Wavemetrix's report is very interesting, but at the same time hard to take too seriously."

-- Z.

[ianoid]

<< skipped 6 pages of heated Nintendo-whore posts >>

Average age of posters in this thread: 16

I heart my PSP. I never touch my DS. I probably will 'touch' it again when Metroid comes out. Or something worth playing.

I really really enjoyed watching UMD movies on a recent plane flight. I plan to buy a few UMD movies now and again. $20 really is WAY too much- if they brought the price down to $10, where it should be, they'd sell 3x the movies. Or they could rent movies and sell many to video stores. I'd love to rent a movie at the airport and drop it off when I land.

In any case, neither platform is dead. Both platforms have a brilliant future, and dammit if this type of empassioned cheerleading has any relevance whatsoever.

[neotokeo2001]

Sony pulled a no-show with the PSP at E3 not even mentioning it at their conference basically leaving it to the 3rd parties to make a showing. Sony likes pounding the numbers when they have a lead but go quiet when the numbers don't fall on their side. Why not shout the success
they have had with the PSP in the US?

That was indeed a notable omission, although Sony's primary mission with its E3 conference was to counter Microsoft's Xbox 360 hype with gobs of info about the PlayStation 3.


I have once again had no success finding US sales numbers but I did come across this article:

Unfortunately, the report cited in this article can be dismissed out of hand. The key phrase:

"[The report is] based on research looking at user opinion on a vast number of internet forums."

What constitutes "a vast number" of forums? Were these forums multi-system websites (no guarantee of neutrality; for example, the DP forums are powerfully anti-Sony/pro-Nintendo) or system-cheerleading fansites? The report doesn't say.

The author of the article points out that "According to the report, customers don't even acknowledge the great screen on the PSP, and seem happy with mediocre DS titles. The fact that a large proportion of the world hasn't been able to play the PSP yet (the PSP goes on sale in Europe on September 1st) may also have something to do with people's attitude towards the console...Wavemetrix's report is very interesting, but at the same time hard to take too seriously."

-- Z.

Agreed. The best thing about the DS and PSP is that there will not be a clear runaway victor. Which means both companies should continue to push the limits and hopefully lower prices by years end. Competition is great for the consumer, Those scary PS2 sales domination numbers are not.

[Mayhem]

Give us the when, where, and how! Were your friends held up? Threatened with violence? Gang-tackled? Did these muggings occur separately, or were both friends robbed at the same time?

One was in the street, the other on a train of all places.

I should point out that I don't believe said friends were mugged specifically for their PSPs, but they were taken along with other high priced electronic items (but not everything) that the friends had on them, which indicates the people responsible knew what a PSP was (even though it hasn't been released here).

[neotokeo2001]

Finally found some US Software numbers. They are a lot lower then I expected with only Super Mario 64 looking like a hugh hit (Being bundled padded the numbers). UMD movies not included.

Here are the LTD software numbers in the US for PSP and DS:

Need Speed: Und. Rivals 249,315
Twisted Metal: Head On 235,159
Untold Legend: Brthhd Blade 212,011
Wipeout Pure 168,175
Metal Gear Acid 158,085
Ridge Racer 149,558
Lumines 131,505
Tony Hawk Undgnd 2: Remix 128,811
Ape Escape: On Loose 104,605
NBA 101,145
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 99,500
NFL Street 2: Unleashed 91,585
Dynasty Warriors 86,281
Spiderman 2 77,783
MLB 73,223
Darkstalkers: Chaos 68,691
ATV Off Road: Blazin 58,444
Archer Maclean's Mercury 54,191
NBA Street Showdown 52,356
Hot Shots Golf: Open 49,840
World Tour Soccer 35,981
Gretzky NHL 34,986
Rengoku: Purgatory 34,028
MVP Baseball 32,142
FIFA Soccer 31,790
Smart Bomb 8,924
Dyansty Warriors: Premium Pack 1,303

Total US PSP software sales: 2,529,417

Super Mario 64 DS 1,004,092
Spider-Man 2 312,887
WarioWare: Touched! 256,786
Asphalt Urban GT 205,712
Madden NFL 2005 176,938
The Urbz 165,710
Yoshi's Touch & Go 143,012
Pokemon Dash 89,439
Ridge Racer DS 88,131
Robots 66,320
Feel The Magic XY/XX 64,274
Tiger Woods PGA 2005 54,499
Rayman DS 52,967
Mr. Driller 49,043
Star Wars Ep 3 43,726
Ping Pals 40,317
Zoo Keeper 31,803
Sprung 23,721
Retro Atari 21,352
Need For Speed UG2 15,990
Polarium 13,865
Pac Pix 12,081
World Poker Champ 10,633
Puyo Pop Fever 5,441
Madagascar 3,453

Total US NDS software sales: 2,952,172

[le geek]

Example: I liked Pac-Pix, and was shocked to see that it tanked in North America. Now I'm wondering what killed it here. Poor marketing? Lukewarm reviews? A use of the touch-screen that players didn't care for? And does this indicate rough waters ahead for Pac 'n Roll?

I hope not as Pac 'n Roll looks more interesting to me in a Marble Madness sort of way... I'm guessing poor marketing and consumers not quite getting the concept? Or maybe the DS users (like myself) perceived it as another short but sweet tech demo?



And I'll repeat my plea for anecdotal evidence: has anyone here actually had a portable system stolen from them?

My first GBA SP was very likely stolen from me :( Pretty sure it was nicked after I had my carpet cleaned in my old apartment. The only other possibility is that either my girlfriend or myself acidentally threw it it away.

[petewhitley]

This is a software sales chart so it does indeed relate to the conversation.
http://www.f-ism.net/fmds/new_img/guraph02.gif

Sony pulled a no-show with the PSP at E3 not even mentioning it at their conference basically leaving it to the 3rd parties to make a showing. Sony likes pounding the numbers when they have a lead but go quiet when the numbers don't fall on their side. Why not shout the success
they have had with the PSP in the US?

petewhitley, Let's leave my ass out of this. :roll:
Since you left out the emoticon I guess you want to start a flame war instead of discussing the topic. Try Gamespot, You'll find a lot of people just like yourself. Have Fun!!
This is the last time I will reply to your input in this topic. If you want to continue it then you can send me a PM.

Ok. So now you've gone and drawn up a "software" sales chart without a posted date range and completely ignored answering my question to you as to how your several past posts regarding overall hardware sales have the slightest relevance to the topic at hand. What you're doing, is explicitly not discussing the topic and forgoing a sensible reply to a sensible questioning of how your previously stood-upon "facts" backed up your previous arguments that Sony is somehow mishandling it's marketing strategy in the U.S. (or at least that was the original point of this post back on page one).

I'm not trying to start a flame war; I'm trying to get you to at least admit that you've been building a case out of thin air and grape jelly for three pages at this point. I don't participate in any other gaming forums, nor do I think I'm better than others because I use the almighty "fact" (irregardless of said factual relevance to the choosen topic). I've had a track record of postings on this board that often piss-off posters who don't research or edit their posts for clarity, relevance andstatistical evidence, and I guess I've added you to that list now. Since you've publicly stated you won't post in this thread to me anymore (a remarkably "GameFaq"-ish thing to do anyway), I await your PM for a logical reply which FINALLY addresses exactly how hardware sales to date for three systems with different lifespans has anything whatsoever to do with this topic. x_x x_x x_x (Those emoticons are me holding my breath waiting).

In the meantime, you might want to check out my signature, you know, the bit with the quotations in tiny letters. Sound like anyone you look in the mirror at every afternoon before gym class?

Edit: Now, low and behold, you've come across some actual numbers which have some relevance to the topic at hand (referring to the actual software sales numbers). While missing UMD movie sales (already proven to be significant factor in the Stateside success of the PSP) they show a near neck-and-neck competition, further devaluing your already suspect market analysis of the these two systems. Clearly, you're dealing with forum members who are particularly more well-versed in the current retail state of affairs for these two systems. I'd suggest you wipe the egg off your face before the school-bell rings.

[thegreatescape]

With all this fuss over the PSP im really looking forward to actually trying one in a month or so. :/

[neotokeo2001]

With all this fuss over the PSP im really looking forward to actually trying one in a month or so. :/

You'll be impressed when you actually get ahold of one, but when it comes time to pay...... O_O

[zmweasel]

Here are the LTD software numbers in the US for PSP and DS:

Are these May '05 NPD figures (I'm assuming), or another source?

THis is cool, though. All we need now are DS and PSP hardware sell-through numbers through May, and we can calculate software tie-in sales.

However, even if we assume Nintendo sold through two million DSes in North America as of end of May, that gives us an atrocious tie-in ratio of 1.5:1.

And if you take away the one million copies (!) of 64 DS--which accounts for one-third of all DS software sales in North America thus far (!!)--that's an abysmal 1:1 tie-in. Third parties will run screaming if that trend continues. (Not that Nintendo has ever been that reliant on third-party publishers, of course.)

-- Z.

[hydr0x]

With all this fuss over the PSP im really looking forward to actually trying one in a month or so. :/

You'll be impressed when you actually get ahold of one, but when it comes time to pay...... O_O

i already had it in my hands and the only impressive thing was pure quality of the screen, everything else was ew :/

just on a sidenote, we've been taking pre-orders on the PSP for like 2 weeks now (release is september 1st) and while i have to admit it's still a long way till the release the number of pre-orders is still low. it's 0 (yes, zero) :( on the other hand, the DS is still selling like 5 units per week despite a severe lack of software in europe, until now, from what i can say at looking at our stores sales numbers, the DS has been quite successfull, and everyone who's got to do with sales is pretty sure about the fact that quite a lot of units will be sold again as soon as the blockbusters arrive

[evildead2099]

I personally think it's the SADDEST console war ever seen.

This is like the 3d0 versus the jaguar or something.....

They're not consoles, they're handhelds, but yeah, I agree with you.

[neotokeo2001]

Here are the LTD software numbers in the US for PSP and DS:

Are these May '05 NPD figures (I'm assuming), or another source?

THis is cool, though. All we need now are DS and PSP hardware sell-through numbers through May, and we can calculate software tie-in sales.

However, even if we assume Nintendo sold through two million DSes in North America as of end of May, that gives us an atrocious tie-in ratio of 1.5:1.

And if you take away the one million copies (!) of 64 DS--which accounts for one-third of all DS software sales in North America thus far (!!)--that's an abysmal 1:1 tie-in. Third parties will run screaming if that trend continues. (Not that Nintendo has ever been that reliant on third-party publishers, of course.)

-- Z.

I believe that was the total thru May '05 NPD.

Here are the software sales for PSP and DS games for May only. A different picture. It is hard to tell what is going on without having all of the months to look at seperately. Another thing that warps the US numbers is the large retail chains like Target, Wal-Mart and Toys-R-Us refuse to report
sales numbers(Something that I never realized). The only set in stone source of numbers is the Japanese market where all retailers report sales. I hope all of those Ping Pal sales were for $2.50 at EB.

PSP HOT SHOTS GOLF:OPEN 49,840
PSP NEED SPEED:UND RIVALS 49,012
PSP UNTOLD LEGENDS:BTHRHD 44,857
PSP TWISTED METAL:HEAD ON 37,212
PSP RIDGE RACER 33,838
PSP MVP BASEBALL 32,142
PSP NBA STREET SHOWDOWN 31,411
PSP MLB 26,745
PSP WIPEOUT PURE 26,643
PSP ATV OFF ROAD: BLAZIN 26,533
PSP METAL GEAR ACID 25,435
PSP LUMINES 25,194
PSP T.HAWK UNDGRND2 REMIX 24,468
PSP RENGOKU: PURGATORY 20,671
PSP NBA 20,372
PSP APE ESCAPE:ON LOOSE 19,724
PSP FIFA SOCCER 19,430
PSP TIGER WOODS PGA TOUR 17,429
PSP NFL STREET 2:UNLEASHD 17,054
PSP A. MACLEAN'S MERCURY 14,874
PSP SPIDER-MAN:THE MOVIE2 14,051
PSP DYNASTY WARRIORS 13,652
PSP DARKSTALKERS: CHOAS 11,587
PSP GRETZKY NHL 5,385
PSP WORLD TOUR SOCCER 4,594
PSP DYNASTY WAR PREM PACK 273

Total Software Sales in May: 621,350

NDS SW EPISODE III: SITH 43,726
NDS SUPER MARIO 64 DS 22,844
NDS WARIOWARE: TOUCHED! 22,091
NDS YOSHI TOUCH & GO 16,728
NDS NEED SPEED:UNDRGRND 2 15,990
NDS POKEMON DASH 9,438
NDS RAYMAN DS 9,117
NDS PAC PIX 8,078
NDS POLARIUM 6,240
NDS PUYO POP FEVER 5,441
NDS WORLD CHAMP POKER DS 5,447
NDS ROBOTS 5,206
NDS ASPHALT: URBAN GT 5,124
NDS THE URBZ:SIMS IN CITY 4,436
NDS ZOO KEEPER 3,699
NDS MADAGASCAR 3,453
NDS SPIDER-MAN:THE MOVIE2 2,947
NDS RETRO ATARI 2,463
NDS MADDEN NFL 2005 2,380
NDS RIDGE RACER DS 2,038
NDS TIGER WOODS PGA 2005 1,720
NDS PING PALS 1,349
NDS FEEL THE MAGIC: XY/XX 1,009
NDS SPRUNG 972
NDS MR. DRILLER: DRILL 852

Total Software Sales in May: 202,788

[zmweasel]

Here are the software sales for PSP and DS games for May only. A different picture. It is hard to tell what is going on without having all of the months to look at seperately. Another thing that warps the US numbers is the large retail chains like Target, Wal-Mart and Toys-R-Us refuse to report
sales numbers(Something that I never realized).

I wasn't aware that Target and Toys R Us had dropped out of NPD tracking. As of last June, only Sam's Clubs and Wal-Mart weren't participating. Where/when did Toys R Us and Target bail?

-- Z.

[neotokeo2001]

Here are the software sales for PSP and DS games for May only. A different picture. It is hard to tell what is going on without having all of the months to look at seperately. Another thing that warps the US numbers is the large retail chains like Target, Wal-Mart and Toys-R-Us refuse to report
sales numbers(Something that I never realized).

I wasn't aware that Target and Toys R Us had dropped out of NPD tracking. As of last June, only Sam's Clubs and Wal-Mart weren't participating. Where/when did Toys R Us and Target bail?

-- Z.

I wasn't aware that anyone held back data. I can't confirm who reports, The names were pulled from another website posting.

[zmweasel]

I wasn't aware that anyone held back data. I can't confirm who reports, The names were pulled from another website posting.

So the other post claimed that Target and Toys R Us aren't included in NPD figures? As of the beginning of '05, the only major retailers that weren't reporting to NPD were Sam's Clubs and Wal-Mart, and NPD estimates their numbers with various formulas.

Here's an article about NPD and Wal-Mart, and the possibility of Nielsen getting into game-sales tracking: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0PJQ/is_19_2/ai_n6227089

-- Z.

[googlefest1]

there are too many posts to read through them all

but is seems to me that this is a which system is dead thread

why argue about this now -- its way to early - no system is dead until one company throws in the towel

all this looks to me is just a fanboy fight

wait untill atleast next summer to argue about this - you will have a much better picture

[Griking]

but is seems to me that this is a which system is dead thread

It isn't really and wasn't mean to be one of those threads.

I started it because I was stunned at how many movies were being released for the PSP compared to so little actual games at the time. Fanboyism got the best of everybody and this is where we're at now.

[petewhitley]

but is seems to me that this is a which system is dead thread

It isn't really and wasn't mean to be one of those threads.

I started it because I was stunned at how many movies were being released for the PSP compared to so little actual games at the time. Fanboyism got the best of everybody and this is where we're at now.

I've personally tried (as have others) to bring it back on point. It would seem (on topic) you've got people falling into two camps. A) Sony isn't paying enough attention to the games on this machine and is releasing rehashes/ports of PS2 games; or B) Sony is focusing on multimedia applications (i.e. UMD & Media Stick functionality) as well as games to make this the "Walkman of the 21st Century" (where hard data would seem to indicate they are at the very least becoming somewhat successful at this early date).
A couple of DS fanboys jumped in and attempted to produce numbers out of place and context for some reason to show that their system of choice was/is more popular (in Japan? in the U.S.? their numbers never coincided nor made sense). It's unavoidable in PSP/DS threads on this board, due mostly to rampant Nintendo worship by youngsters who weren't around during the 8-bit era to witness the "groundbreaking" marketing techniques the big N itself pioneered which have led us to an industry today where EA is poised to monopolize certain gaming genres.