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jajaja
10-19-2006, 07:36 PM
Bit late to bring this case up just to talk shit isnt it? Bronty won the auction, you didnt sell to him, end of story. You have 2 choices, sell or not sell, but to come here over 1 year later just to talk shit about Bronty who won the auction and that you didnt want to finish is very pointless.

raregamergirl
10-19-2006, 07:40 PM
I think you are confused jajaja, I think tim won the lot, not sold it. tsk, tsk, tim. I was considering buying the lot you added at a very fair offer and you wanted more as you claimed you had more into it than that, looks like that was not true...

jajaja
10-19-2006, 07:51 PM
No, im 99.99% sure Bronty won this one. It was sold from Hawaii.

jajaja
10-19-2006, 07:53 PM
I dont know who Tim is, Kentucyfriedchicken? I dont think that was the same lot.

atwoodtm
10-19-2006, 07:53 PM
What i know is that Dan Maresca/Bronty has always been a gentleman,acted nicely,and packed his stuff well

You,if you're well atwoodtm on Ebay,treat people like a piece of shit,and don't deserve ANY respect.

I never treated anyone like shit. The auction you won specifically stated I will only ship to the USA. You sent paypal after I told you no and it was refunded...

raregamergirl
10-19-2006, 07:54 PM
Right, bronty won it on ebay but the seller (some person in hawaii) would not sell it to him for reasons explained in this thread. tim interfered and offered 20k+ for it and bought it, it appears.

jajaja
10-19-2006, 07:55 PM
Ah yes, you mean like that. I mean that Bronty won it, but seller didnt want to sell him him anyway :(

atwoodtm
10-19-2006, 07:58 PM
I think you are confused jajaja, I think tim won the lot, not sold it. tsk, tsk, tim. I was considering buying the lot you added at a very fair offer and you wanted more as you claimed you had more into it than that, looks like that was not true...

Evidently you didn't read what I said correctly. I never said I was the one that bought those games. All I said was I had a hand in Dan not getting those, which Dan knew a couple days later when I emailed him.

atwoodtm
10-19-2006, 08:00 PM
Did anyone save the pics? I want to see them :) I completely missed the auction back in July.

As a matter of fact I have the auction saved.

Hounder
10-19-2006, 08:10 PM
I would be interested in seeing what was included and all that. If you could email it to me I would appreciate it.

hounder@nintendoage.com

Also, I didn't realize this thread was over a year old. I thought this was from July of this year :embarrassed:

Nes
10-20-2006, 12:23 PM
$20,000+? What the heck was included in that? And where does a guy find a wife willing to let him spend that much on games?

Bronty-2
10-20-2006, 02:25 PM
Let’s just cut through all the bullshit and all the side issues. The reason Tim seems hates me so much (PS – it’s a hobby, buddy, life is too short for this crap) and is because I tend to believe allegations made by Dave Loveland that Tim sold him 10k worth of reseals in or around 2003 and further allegations that Tim referred Dave to an ebay account called “nintendoandmore” that sold Dave another 40k worth of reseals through paypal balance transfers without corresponding ebay auctions.

Dave has his own issues. But one thing he was not short of in 2003 was money and in my opinion he would not have made this up. More importantly, too many pieces of the puzzle fit together, in my opinion, for the story to be too far from the mark.

I have seen both scans of the games in question sold in 2003 and held a few of them in my hands. In my opinion they are indistinguishable from the reseals that Jeff Dailey was selling in 2003 (and now again in 2006 – Jeff consigned some to ebay seller gasgiant1075, per gasgiant).

According to Dave, the packages were not sent from Michigan, which is where Tim lives. They were, however, sent five or ten minutes (according to mapquest) from the town where Jeff lives.

Now, in mid 2003 I really didn’t know anything about of all this. I had simply bought a reseal from jeff and put in a paypal claim which resulted in Jeff’s account being frozen.

This is where things get interesting. Jeff calls me up telling me he needs me to help him get the paypal freeze lifted so that Tim can send him $1,000 (which, incidentally, was the price per game that Dave alleges nintendoandmore would charge on some of these games). I said sorry but until you refund me in another way I can’t help you out. So Jeff arranges for Tim to pay me the refund I was due.

Now, I put it simply to you, Tim. As an experienced collector you must have known or suspected that Jeff’s games were garbage. So why, if you had nothing to do with all of this, why were you and Jeff passing around large sums of cash right at the time Dave was (allegedly) being ripped off? How can you expect any reasonable observer to come to any other conclusion than:

a) you referred Dave to “nintendoandmore” and conspired with Jeff to rip him off, or
b) Dave is outright lying about everything, despite the fact that his account meshes perfectly with the fact that you were transferring large sums of money to Jeff in mid 2003.

Of the two conclusions, forum members can draw their own. I choose a).

In spite of that, I really have no desire to keep talking about 2003 Tim. But you force my hand every time.

Hounder
10-20-2006, 03:40 PM
$20,000+? What the heck was included in that? And where does a guy find a wife willing to let him spend that much on games?
From the reads, looks like a BUNCH of sealed games numbering over a 1000. One of these days my collection will look like that :)

Adol
10-20-2006, 04:03 PM
Exactly,my point: you treat customers like shit,and you don't deserve more respect than a SHIT does.

I paid you by Paypal,for shipping to USA,because you wrote in description "i ship to USA only"
But you never told you only accept US BIDDERS!
That's 2 different things,and you acted stupidly.

That scumbag even dared to leave negative feedback,and a "non paying bidder warning"! After i paid him by Paypal..

Get out of here!

Mr.Faxanadu
10-20-2006, 04:28 PM
I also should have that one saved. I can try to post the pics later. It was basically a pic of STACKS of sealed NES games on a large table. I recall that some DPers were thinking it was a scam because of the people in the background - It made it look like it was an old picture taken from a flea market.

I try to collect sealed NES games but this sorta thing makes it unappealing. I had NO idea that there were so many mass produced fake lots out there ($10,000 in fakes sold in 2003! - YIKES)

So the Hawaii lot was legit then ??? I was concenred back in the day because of the lowish price, the location, the picutre etc.

atwoodtm
10-20-2006, 04:29 PM
Exactly,my point: you treat customers like shit,and you don't deserve more respect than a SHIT does.

I paid you by Paypal,for shipping to USA,because you wrote in description "i ship to USA only"
But you never told you only accept US BIDDERS!
That's 2 different things,and you acted stupidly.

That scumbag even dared to leave negative feedback,and a "non paying bidder warning"! After i paid him by Paypal..

Get out of here!

Well here is a link to your feedback on ebay.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=collectors_king

You show me where there has ever been a feedback from me. As for shipping to USA if you can't read that's not my problem. You will notice I say USA only in my auctions and on the bottom of the ebay pages it says I will shipping to the United States. I think you're another one that needs to get the story straight.

Bronty-2
10-20-2006, 04:37 PM
So the Hawaii lot was legit then ??? I was concenred back in the day because of the lowish price, the location, the picutre etc.

The hawaii lot was (mostly) legit. Some back-in-the-day type reseals included though, ie. reseals just done for business purposes before there was a collector market.

Bought by Brian Singer who seems like a hell of a good guy. He resold about half the lot on ebay under 'vintagevgs.' He's already broken even so basically he got half the lot for free. He deserves it though, he took a big risk wiring 20k to some guy with three feedback, and running 600 auctions is a serious pain in the ass. Not to mention the fact that he apparently borrowed the money from his father in law - and if someone scammed him for 20k that would be one awkward conversation with your wife's father. I'm happy for him.

atwoodtm
10-20-2006, 04:41 PM
Let’s just cut through all the bullshit and all the side issues. The reason Tim seems hates me so much (PS – it’s a hobby, buddy, life is too short for this crap) and is because I tend to believe allegations made by Dave Loveland that Tim sold him 10k worth of reseals in or around 2003 and further allegations that Tim referred Dave to an ebay account called “nintendoandmore” that sold Dave another 40k worth of reseals through paypal balance transfers without corresponding ebay auctions.

Dave has his own issues. But one thing he was not short of in 2003 was money and in my opinion he would not have made this up. More importantly, too many pieces of the puzzle fit together, in my opinion, for the story to be too far from the mark.

I have seen both scans of the games in question sold in 2003 and held a few of them in my hands. In my opinion they are indistinguishable from the reseals that Jeff Dailey was selling in 2003 (and now again in 2006 – Jeff consigned some to ebay seller gasgiant1075, per gasgiant).

According to Dave, the packages were not sent from Michigan, which is where Tim lives. They were, however, sent five or ten minutes (according to mapquest) from the town where Jeff lives.

Now, in mid 2003 I really didn’t know anything about of all this. I had simply bought a reseal from jeff and put in a paypal claim which resulted in Jeff’s account being frozen.

This is where things get interesting. Jeff calls me up telling me he needs me to help him get the paypal freeze lifted so that Tim can send him $1,000 (which, incidentally, was the price per game that Dave alleges nintendoandmore would charge on some of these games). I said sorry but until you refund me in another way I can’t help you out. So Jeff arranges for Tim to pay me the refund I was due.

Now, I put it simply to you, Tim. As an experienced collector you must have known or suspected that Jeff’s games were garbage. So why, if you had nothing to do with all of this, why were you and Jeff passing around large sums of cash right at the time Dave was (allegedly) being ripped off? How can you expect any reasonable observer to come to any other conclusion than:

a) you referred Dave to “nintendoandmore” and conspired with Jeff to rip him off, or
b) Dave is outright lying about everything, despite the fact that his account meshes perfectly with the fact that you were transferring large sums of money to Jeff in mid 2003.

Of the two conclusions, forum members can draw their own. I choose a).

In spite of that, I really have no desire to keep talking about 2003 Tim. But you force my hand every time.

-----Original Message-----
From: "Dan Maresca" <a4b52886@telus.net>
Sent 7/7/2006 2:28:01 PM
To: atwoodt@grantps.net
Subject: Hi Tim

I got a message from steve today. It's actually kind of interesting timing
because I was thinking about writing you the other day after talking to Dave
for the first time in close to a year and dealing with him (or trying to). I
basically got frustrated with him for the 100th time and told him off. I
don't want to speak to him ever again - and it did make me think that I might
have jumped the gun in terms of villainizing you over whatever your dealings
with him did or didn't consist of. The fact of the matter is that he's a
severe pain in the ass and I wasn't directly involved so I shouldn't have been
shooting my mouth off. And the fact of the matter is that collecting is
supposed to be a hobby for me, it's supposed to be fun. Anyway... I was going
to send you this a couple weeks ago but thought I should just let sleeping dogs
lie.

However, I understand steve mentioned he had a friend that might be interested
in the nes. Well, obviously that's me, we both know it and there's no point in
trying to be cute so I thought I would just be upfront and write you. Besides,
if I am in fact going to buy anything I'd like for the deal to be on upfront
terms anyway.

So... let me know your thoughts. I'd like to bury the hatchet and might be
interested in some games. Why the nes though? I would have thought that
would be the last thing you'd sell. I might be interested in some the cases
although I don't know if I can afford them. That was one hell of a score on
your part. Anyway, if you have a list for me of what's for sale and/or a list
of the cases I'd be interested in looking it over.

Dan

http://www/atwoodcs.com/index.htm

OK now I'm done. I suppose I shoudn't have even bothered coming here but since I did and read this garbage I had to respond even though it is quite old.

Mr.Faxanadu
10-20-2006, 04:45 PM
Crazy! I still have the auction here on my work PC LOL

Here's some pics:

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7540/1vk6.th.gif (http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1vk6.gif)

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5471/3np1.th.gif (http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3np1.gif)

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1165/2yq7.th.gif (http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2yq7.gif)

Adol
10-20-2006, 04:48 PM
You're stupid,or idiot?
I got your feedback removed by Ebay,as well as your "warning"

And haven't you learn to read at school?

I said that NOTHING in your auctions said "us bidders only", but only that you won't ship outside USA.

Then why sending back my Paypal payment? Because i'm not a US citizen?

More of that,you even sent me an invoic with overseas shipping quote...HOW stupid you are.

Adol
10-20-2006, 04:50 PM
I must admit you're right on 1 thing:

"I shoudn't have even bothered coming here"

Just leave,scammer.

Bronty-2
10-20-2006, 07:31 PM
Like I said, Dave has his own issues. And that email only proves that I've tried to bury the hatchet with you. So what's your point?

Bronty-2
10-20-2006, 07:36 PM
You know what, I don't care what your point is. The fact that your first reaction was to deflect my question instead of answering directly tells me everything I need to know.

So like adol said.. get out of here already. I don't care what else you post about me, I'm not perfect and I make mistakes. But one thing I've never done is cheat someone out of their money by misrepresenting an item.

atwoodtm
10-21-2006, 08:03 PM
You're stupid,or idiot?
I got your feedback removed by Ebay,as well as your "warning"

And haven't you learn to read at school?

I said that NOTHING in your auctions said "us bidders only", but only that you won't ship outside USA.

Then why sending back my Paypal payment? Because i'm not a US citizen?

More of that,you even sent me an invoic with overseas shipping quote...HOW stupid you are.

If you’re going to tell a story at least be accurate and honest.

1. My auction did state you needed to have a confirmed shipping address and US only. Breath of Fire html (http://www.atwoodcs.com/andre/bof.html)
2. You emailed me asking if you could bid and told me where you were from, which I already knew. I gave you permission to bid and told you I would need a MO because I won’t accept international paypal payments or ship to an unconfirmed paypal address. Your paypal payment. (http://www.atwoodcs.com/andre/payment.htm) Last time I knew France wasn't part of the USA.
3. You still bid and won.
4. I sent you an eBay invoice.
5. Even after I told you I wouldn’t accept paypal you still sent it.
6. I refunded your paypal and tried to work something else out. I knew you had a habit of bidding on auctions that sellers state they will only ship to the USA and you used cellogig for your in between. I tried to do that, but you didn’t want to.
7. Yes I filed a NPB. You were well aware before bidding I wouldn’t accept paypal, yet you still sent paypal and you wouldn’t work with me.
8. I WILL NOT add a false value amount on a package to SCAM a government out of their duties, as you wanted me to do. *see your paypal payment*

atwoodtm
10-21-2006, 08:22 PM
You know what, I don't care what your point is. The fact that your first reaction was to deflect my question instead of answering directly tells me everything I need to know.

So like adol said.. get out of here already. I don't care what else you post about me, I'm not perfect and I make mistakes. But one thing I've never done is cheat someone out of their money by misrepresenting an item.


Let’s just cut through all the bullshit and all the side issues. The reason Tim seems hates me so much (PS – it’s a hobby, buddy, life is too short for this crap) and is because I tend to believe allegations made by Dave Loveland that Tim sold him 10k worth of reseals in or around 2003 and further allegations that Tim referred Dave to an ebay account called “nintendoandmore” that sold Dave another 40k worth of reseals through paypal balance transfers without corresponding ebay auctions.

Dave has his own issues. But one thing he was not short of in 2003 was money and in my opinion he would not have made this up. More importantly, too many pieces of the puzzle fit together, in my opinion, for the story to be too far from the mark.

I have seen both scans of the games in question sold in 2003 and held a few of them in my hands. In my opinion they are indistinguishable from the reseals that Jeff Dailey was selling in 2003 (and now again in 2006 – Jeff consigned some to ebay seller gasgiant1075, per gasgiant).

According to Dave, the packages were not sent from Michigan, which is where Tim lives. They were, however, sent five or ten minutes (according to mapquest) from the town where Jeff lives.

Now, in mid 2003 I really didn’t know anything about of all this. I had simply bought a reseal from jeff and put in a paypal claim which resulted in Jeff’s account being frozen.

This is where things get interesting. Jeff calls me up telling me he needs me to help him get the paypal freeze lifted so that Tim can send him $1,000 (which, incidentally, was the price per game that Dave alleges nintendoandmore would charge on some of these games). I said sorry but until you refund me in another way I can’t help you out. So Jeff arranges for Tim to pay me the refund I was due.

Now, I put it simply to you, Tim. As an experienced collector you must have known or suspected that Jeff’s games were garbage. So why, if you had nothing to do with all of this, why were you and Jeff passing around large sums of cash right at the time Dave was (allegedly) being ripped off? How can you expect any reasonable observer to come to any other conclusion than:

a) you referred Dave to “nintendoandmore” and conspired with Jeff to rip him off, or
b) Dave is outright lying about everything, despite the fact that his account meshes perfectly with the fact that you were transferring large sums of money to Jeff in mid 2003.

Of the two conclusions, forum members can draw their own. I choose a).

In spite of that, I really have no desire to keep talking about 2003 Tim. But you force my hand every time.


Well actually I didn’t read this earlier. I only noticed you made a post so I copied and paste the email you sent me earlier. I did read it now so I will make my reply. It does seem to me now I was only sent that email because you wanted something from me. As to your recent post you didn’t even believe what you said in the email.

1. Prior to me even contacting Jeff, he and I hadn’t done anything as far as games in sometime. As far as I knew he was pretty much done with games. He got burned quite bad Feb. 2002 when he finally realized games he was winning on eBay that were being sold by Alex were resealed along with the trades.. He opened all the games he got from Alex then and was selling them as completes. He did have a list of real games he passed around.
2. I was helping Dave out by trying to find games for him. Jeff’s name did come up at 1 point and Dave asked me to contact him to see if he still had any of the sealed left. He sent me a list and most of what he did have were pretty much all commons, nes and psx. I knew Dave didn’t need any. Jeff and I made a deal and I bought those. But as Dan stated his paypal was frozen so I couldn’t send him paypal. So I payed Dan so I could send Jeff that money through paypal. Also during this period it seemed Dave owed Justin some money and Dave gave Justin what he believed were reseals to sell.
3. A few weeks later I received an email about other games. I replied and asked for pictures. I had no idea who this was and had my own suspicions. Nintendoandmore as Dan stated. When I showed these pictures to Dave he was well aware I didn’t trust them. Dave still wanted to try and make a deal. I was trying to be cautious and told Dave to buy the cheapest game first to see what is was like. Dave didn’t follow this advice because he was afraid Mike or someone else might get their hand on these.
4. Dave had me make a deal for the most expensive and the rarest game. When Dave received this game he sent me scans. I told him it looked OK but I wasn’t sure and asked him to send it to me for verification. He refused. Even though I couldn’t verify 100% this first game was authentic, Dave still wanted to get more. I gave Dave the contact information. As Dan stated Dave could be a pain. I didn’t feel comfortable being responsible for this kind of money going through my paypal account and having the games shipped to a different shipping address. Needless to say Dave was comfortable buying these games, against my advice, just so no one else would get them even though I couldn’t 100% authenticate them.
5. So yes, it seems it’s my entire fault as Dan wants to believe. Even though I’m sure Dan wasn’t told everything.

Parpunk
10-22-2006, 01:32 AM
woah this forum just burned up about 45 minutes of my ebay vulching time lol. thanks again for those pics faxanadu. this was the first time i got to see em.

jajaja
10-22-2006, 05:23 AM
I say it again, why rip up in old stuff like this just to start a big arguement/fight?

Vectorman0
10-22-2006, 06:06 AM
Okay guys, we've heard every side to the story. Now, this whole mess is just going in circles. I don't see this getting resolved here, so please take it to PM's and email, as it should be.

I would like to leave this topic open for future discussion about the factory sealed games, but if this continues I will have to lock the thread. There is a feedback forum here, so if you have a major problem with how someone conducts business, you can make responsible use of that.

Bronty-2
10-22-2006, 06:18 AM
as Dan wants to believe. Well, let's not make assumptions about what the other does or does not want to believe. Frankly I'd love to believe that this has all been one big misunderstanding and I do readily admit that your post rings true in a lot of ways. The way you describe dave acting in terms of having a "I have to have it no matter the risk or cost" attitude is exactly how he was/is. No doubt. And while it seems on level to be kind of convenient that you bought a load of commons from Jeff, I'll admit stranger coincidences happen on a daily basis.

But what about Dave's assertion that, nintendoandmore sales aside, you sold him reseals directly to the tune of 10k? He seemed to think that pretty much the only legitimate game he got from you was snow bros.

As for the email I sent you, don't assume to know my motives. What I 'wanted from you' was to bury the hatchet and that's the god's honest truth. It is absolutely true that I had been thinking about emailing you before steve contacted me regarding the nes collection. I frankly have no interest in holding this grudge and wouldn't be posting any of this if you hadn't stirred up this thread. But it's actually the best direct communication you and I have had on the issue so maybe something good will come out of it.

Adol
10-22-2006, 05:02 PM
And USA isn't part of France either, even if France helped you 250 years ago to build it.

But if you don't accept Paypal payment from me,WHY sending an invoice ALLOWING PAYPAL PAYMENTS?
That is plainly stupid.
I used paypal because your invoice allowed me to do it.

Bronty-2
10-27-2006, 01:22 AM
Well Tim and I have emailed a bit privately. He seems sincere to me so I'm going to apologize and take him at his word that the deal with Jeff was something else.

It's only fair that I post that publicly since the allegations are now public too. I will say that except for the business above, I've never known anyone to have a problem buying from Tim.

Bronty-2
10-27-2006, 01:29 AM
This lack of an edit button sucks. That last sentence should really read:

"I will say that except for the above-noted events, I've never known anyone to allege they had any problems when buying from Tim."