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PDorr3

07-16-2005, 04:20 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8205808354&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

I talked to him on the neo-geo forums and told him I was a bit uncertain about making a trade with a forum member with 0 forum feedback or posts. His only other refresnces were wbay where he has 100% with 2 feedback (one buy one sell) from back in 04. This auction was a good deal though as the system itself would cost me about $150 shipped and some of the games would noramly run me 30-40 each. Overall I am not certain I made a good decision, but he does live close to me (im in NY he is in NJ) if there were to ever be a problem. He also said he does not accept checks, paypal and money order only. So is there anything I can do if he decides to not sned? can I get my money back at all?
Its still not too late for me to back down as I would rather have a negative than my $236.
I was still debating on just getting an AES with 1 or 2 games but I found this auction kinda hard to pass up.

IDK what to do...help me out...

Stark

07-16-2005, 05:18 AM

Well this auction looks legit to me. You do have to be a bit worried whenever you send that amount of money to someone with little or no feedback though. Just wait and see then let us know what happens. Every transaction on Ebay involves trust so don't lose sleep over it right now.

SamuraiSmurfette

07-16-2005, 09:16 AM

Send him a money order from your bank and KEEP THE RECEIPT!
If you find that he doesn't send, you can check with the bank to see if the money order's been cashed, and can go from there.

I've gotten a money order refunded once already.
of course, you can try to do this with Paypal, too, but Paypal's not always on your side when it comes to this sort of thing.

dieourumov

07-16-2005, 09:21 AM

Pay via Paypal with Credit Card if possible -- If not, send a paypal instant transfer. DO NOT let it them draw it out more than 60 days. If you don't get any reply from them after 10 days, pull their contact information and call their home phone number. If that does not work, open a dispute with paypal and the seller will have to provide proof they shipped the item or you will win the dispute.

jonjandran

07-16-2005, 10:03 AM

SoulBlazer

07-16-2005, 02:05 PM

Exactly. By paying through a CC, you can get the CC company on your side, and they are MUCH easier and better to deal with then PayPal.

Now, if the guy does not have a Premier PayPal account (won't take CC payments), then do the certified money order thing with the insurance and everything.

PDorr3

07-16-2005, 03:00 PM

jajaja

07-16-2005, 03:25 PM

beings im only 17, I dont have my credit card, and since I KNOW my parents wont let me charge $240 to their CC (it comes out of their savings) I think I'm going to just not pay and possibly take a negative.
After more comments I also think Im just gonna go the AES route, but SS1-2 to keep me busy and when I can afford it buy a phantom-1 converter and buy some MVS carts.

There are some cool cheap AES games you can get, like

- Super Sidekicks 2
- Ghost Pilots (i played this alot)
- NAM-1975
- Blues Journey
- Riding hero
- Magician Lord
- Sengoku
- Ninja Combat
- Fatal Fury Spesial

Just to mention some games. These cost around $30 each and are complete with manual and box.
I've been meaning to get NAM-1975, Sengoku and Ninja Combat myself, but have had othe priorities.

captain nintendo

07-17-2005, 11:38 AM

You said he lives close to you ? Is it possible to do a local pick up and pay him at the same time ?

yok-dfa

07-18-2005, 03:37 AM

I think I'm going to just not pay and possibly take a negative.

So why did you bid if you didn't have the intention of paying :roll:

scorch56

07-19-2005, 10:22 AM

I think I'm going to just not pay and possibly take a negative.

So why did you bid if you didn't have the intention of paying :roll:

.. he's 17.. as far as I'm concerned.. he shouldn't even be ALLOWED to transact on eBay!

Seriously kid.. have you never read the eBay TOS? Your bid is a binding contract. You bid on an item from a beginner seller (who now has 3 +s.. I might add); you haven't a CLUE whether he's honorable or not.. but you bid because you saw a "deal" (aka known as "greed") you couldn't pass up. Everybody has to start somewhere. I personally wouldn't have bid on it.. but you did.. now be a man.

How would you like to be the seller that's gonna' have to cough up cash to eBay for fees and such (Listings cost initially too.. ya' know; and YOU.. just possibly blew his chance to sell to a sincere and "less flaky" buyer. The minute you BIN'ned you effectively took his auction off the market.) whether you pay or not? Maybe.. he's the same age as you and needs the cash.

You ought to be thankful he kept YOUR ID private though.. because I'll bet a great majority of the sellers here would just "blacklist" you as well. Nope.. chalk it up to "experience" (After all.. you REALLY don't know if you'd even get ripped off.. you haven't even fulfilled YOUR end of the bargain yet [as in PAYING].); step up to the plate and be a man and remember.. don't be so quick to blow your "Wendy's" check so quickly next time.

jajaja

07-19-2005, 10:28 AM

If you sell something on Ebay and the winner doesnt pay. Cant you just fill out a non-payment complaint and get the fees refunded? Its like that on an auction site here atleast.

anagrama

07-19-2005, 10:35 AM

After more comments I also think Im just gonna go the AES route, but SS1-2 to keep me busy and when I can afford it buy a phantom-1 converter and buy some MVS carts.

Isn't that exactly what everyone told you several times in each of the several other threads you've started?
Why wait until you've cost someone eBay final value fees before following their advice?

yok-dfa

07-19-2005, 10:40 AM

(who now has 3 +s.. I might add)

That is the feedback left to the seller by the topic starter...

scorch56

07-19-2005, 11:09 AM

If you sell something on Ebay and the winner doesnt pay. Cant you just fill out a non-payment complaint and get the fees refunded? Its like that on an auction site here atleast.

Yes you can.. but have you ever done it on eBay? they make you jump through a BUNCH of "hoops" to do it.. not to mention how long and drawn out the process is.

Case in point..remember this auction from a couple of weeks ago?:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6965604914&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

Now look at the buyer's feedback. He's never made a big purchase like this on eBay and his FB is low. Now look at his FB and see if the sellers have left one for him yet. Nope? How much you wanna' make a bet this joker's not gonn' pay up and isn't legit? How much you wanna' bet that in the next 30 days after this auction eBay WILL get it's "pound of flesh" out of these poor people (and what a pound it would be.. at $29,000.. more like a "ton") whether the winner pays up or not? As a seller in the past.. I've even simply left my seller fees to eBay (especially) on "small ticket" items; rather than to have to go through the refund process.. it's that MUCH of a hassle.

jajaja

07-19-2005, 03:44 PM

I have only sold 1 thing on Ebay and it went smooth. Thats why I ask if its possible. But if it is, its good, even if it might take some time.

I would be very suprised if you didnt get refund of the fees if the deal didnt go through. Like you say in that example with the $29000 auction. Must have cost alot in fees.

PDorr3

07-19-2005, 04:41 PM

You said he lives close to you ? Is it possible to do a local pick up and pay him at the same time ?

Believe me I asked him, I even told him I would be going on vacation next week and would be passing him by and asked for a local pick up, what did he say? NO. Right then and there I became suspicious.

[quote=PDorr3]I think I'm going to just not pay and possibly take a negative.

So why did you bid if you didn't have the intention of paying :roll:

.. he's 17.. as far as I'm concerned.. he shouldn't even be ALLOWED to transact on eBay!

Why shouldent I be allowed? I have tons of positive feedback, and as far as I'm concerned I know what I'm doing.

(who now has 3 +s.. I might add)
Might you add that 3rd feedback is from me...

you haven't a CLUE whether he's honorable or not.. but you bid because you saw a "deal" (aka known as "greed") you couldn't pass up. Everybody has to start somewhere. I personally wouldn't have bid on it.. but you did.. now be a man.

If you saw a $100 bill on the ground in the store, would you feel "greed" and pick it up? I sure as hell I would.Now lets say you slept on it overnight and had decided you had made a bad decision and wanted to bring it back to the store for its rightful owner.

That was my situation, I had felt the greed and in the end had decided I had made a bad decision.

How would you like to be the seller that's gonna' have to cough up cash to eBay for fees and such (Listings cost initially too.. ya' know; and YOU.. just possibly blew his chance to sell to a sincere and "less flaky" buyer. The minute you BIN'ned you effectively took his auction off the market.) whether you pay or not? Maybe.. he's the same age as you and needs the cash.

For your information I payed him the listing and final selling fees to make up for it :sob:

(After all.. you REALLY don't know if you'd even get ripped off.. you haven't even fulfilled YOUR end of the bargain yet [as in PAYING].);
I wasnt about to wait around and find out.

step up to the plate and be a man and remember.. don't be so quick to blow your "Wendy's" check so quickly next time.

I dont work, so my money is more important to me.

And why did I pounce on the deal? lets just say during the time I was severely undecided on if I wanted an AES or Neo CD, and his deal was a good deal, but to tell you the truth, I admit I made a mistake of BINing that auction, but its not like I did not contact the guy, infact I talked to him and we worked things out, he didnt even have a problem with it as I explained my situation.

Sure all of you can blacklist me if you want, but I instead decided to send $185 to a "trusted" DP user here for an AES. Someone I can trust, and I damned know alot of people here arent man enough to send $185 through the mail in an unsecure online trade, and many people here wont even dare make a trade on this site unless its ebay.

Anyway Im getting my AES, and all problems are solved for the seller.

Anyway would you trust someone who denies you local pickup when you live local to them? I sure wouldent.

machine.slave

07-19-2005, 05:10 PM

To answer your question, yes.. yes, I think this deal will fall through. :D

Bah, let it go.. it was a mistake, they happen. If the guy doesn't have a problem with it, then you should be fine... besides, this is mild compaired to some of the other shite I've seen happen on eBay.

Just my opinion...

PDorr3

07-19-2005, 05:23 PM

To answer your quest, yes.. yes, I think this deal will fall through. :D

Bah, let it go.. it was a mistake, they happen. If the guy doesn't have a problem with it, then you should be fine... besides, this is mild compaired to some of the other shite I've seen happen on eBay.

Just my opinion...

Thank you :)

jajaja

07-19-2005, 05:31 PM

Why shouldent I be allowed? I have tons of positive feedback, and as far as I'm concerned I know what I'm doing.

Well.. if im not mistaken you have to be 18 years old or older to own a Ebay account. So technically you shouldnt be allowed to have an account in your own name. I guess its a legal thing.

But as long as you pay and the deal goes smooth, who cares. If your 15 or 18 years old and pay for the stuff you win it doesnt matter to me what age the seller/buyer is.

Zexmaix

07-19-2005, 05:43 PM

Even when a user has perfect feedback you have to be skeptical. I won a 17" LCD monitor a little over a year back, for around $300 or so. And it wasn't really a steal of a deal or anything, just a decent monitor and a decent price from a supposedly trustoworthy seller.

Used Buy-It-Now, paid for the item via PayPal. User wasn't verified on PayPal because they only used their Credit Card they told me, so no Bank Account. But I wasn't worried seeing as their feedback was 300+ with a 99% positive rating.

Told me they shipped it out. Waiting a week after not getting anything, emailed them again. Told me it was still coming. Waited some more and emailed back, received no response. Got a contact from the ORIGINAL eBay account owner, turns out her account was "hacked" and someone had been selling electronic wares on her account and scamming people. So I contact PayPal SEVERAL times discussing with them what happened, they basically play dumb and say they can't do jack squat about it seeing as it wasn't a "confirmed" bank account member.

I continued to talk to this new "person" who is supposedly the legit owner of the account. Even talked with her on the phone a few times. Says she has called her local athorities about the matter and will get back to me. Haven't heard a word since, and PayPal has been numb, also got some ridiculous back-charges onto my account, causing it to go negative, got into a huge debate with PayPal. Ended up closing my old account due to their bullsh*t and opening a new, clean, confirmed account under a new Bank Account.

So out $300, a great old PayPal account, trust for eBay, and trust for PayPal. Even though they say they offer buyer and seller protection, I take it with a grain of salt. They need ROCK hard evidence to show that you haven't received your item, got scammed, etc. That's why I only buy and sell items to confirmed addresses and confirmed PayPal users, within the domestic US, with positive eBay profiles. I get pissed every time I see those "identity theft" commercials, because it's happened to me when dealing with a seller.

scooby105

07-19-2005, 06:16 PM

If you sell something on Ebay and the winner doesnt pay. Cant you just fill out a non-payment complaint and get the fees refunded? Its like that on an auction site here atleast.

you get final value fees back, but not listing fees. its all the time you have to waste doing so that really hoses you.

Super Mario Fan

07-19-2005, 06:35 PM

you haven't a CLUE whether he's honorable or not.. but you bid because you saw a "deal" (aka known as "greed") you couldn't pass up. Everybody has to start somewhere. I personally wouldn't have bid on it.. but you did.. now be a man.

If you saw a $100 bill on the ground in the store, would you feel "greed" and pick it up? I sure as hell I would.Now lets say you slept on it overnight and had decided you had made a bad decision and wanted to bring it back to the store for its rightful owner.

That was my situation, I had felt the greed and in the end had decided I had made a bad decision.

If I may point out to you:

Bidding and Buying.
As a buyer, you are obligated to complete the transaction with the seller:

1.if you purchase an item through one of our fixed price formats; or

2.if you are the highest bidder at the end of an auction (meeting the applicable minimum bid or reserve requirements) and your bid is accepted by the seller, unless the item is listed in a category under the Non-Binding Bid Policy or the transaction is prohibited by law or by this Agreement.

By bidding on an item you agree to be bound by the conditions of sale included in the item's description so long as those conditions of sale are not in violation of this Agreement or unlawful. Unless you and the seller agree otherwise, you will become the item's lawful owner upon physical receipt of the item from the seller, in accordance with Ca. Com. Code � 2401(2) and Uniform Com. Code � 2-401(2). Bids are not retractable except in exceptional circumstances, such as: when the seller materially changes the item's description after you bid; a clear typographical error is made; you cannot authenticate the seller's identity; or when the seller does not confirm your purchase in the Half.com area of our services. If you choose to bid on mature audience items or items that are restricted to adult use, you are certifying that you have the legal right to purchase such items.

So there's no doubt about it, you have to pay. If you even had an ounce of doubt when you saw the auction, you shouldn't have bid. It's life, you gotta play by the rules.

GizmoGC

07-19-2005, 06:41 PM

Seller has 3 feedback now...

machine.slave

07-19-2005, 07:09 PM

Seller has 3 feedback now...

Way to read the thread... :roll:

Zexmaix, I feel your pain! Had the same thing happen to me a few years ago involving a pair of Oakley sunglasses... lost $250. Paypal told me to talk to Ebay (this was before they were owned by Ebay), Ebay told me to talk to VISA, and VISA told me to talk to Paypal or Ebay... so it was a vicious circle until I ran out of time and could no longer get my money back.

I *do not* trust ANY TYPE of guarantee that Paypal or Ebay make.. absolutely useless.

jajaja

07-19-2005, 07:40 PM

If you saw a $100 bill on the ground in the store, would you feel "greed" and pick it up? I sure as hell I would.Now lets say you slept on it overnight and had decided you had made a bad decision and wanted to bring it back to the store for its rightful owner.

I dont think you will find the owner of a $100 bill if you find it in the store. But I see your point, that you might regret. Of course you can regret everything, but when you place a bid on an auction its sorta like signing a binding contract. If this had been alot of money I bet the seller could have sued you and won the case. Then I mean auctions generally, not just Ebay.

yok-dfa

07-20-2005, 04:07 AM

Infact I talked to him and we worked things out, he didnt even have a problem with it as I explained my situation.

Well, keep in mind that (at the time) the seller only had +2 feedback. Not agreeing with you could get him a retaliatory negative (not saying that you would do that, but some people steep that low) basically ruining the feedback on that account. Not many people are going to buy from, or sell to, a 50% positive feedback account.

I think the seller just didn't have any other option than to be cooperative with you...