n64 has nothing higher than 5 in rarity? bleh

[pragmatic insanester]

i saw a copy of bobble bobble 99 at eb yesterday, and went scrolling through the n64 rarity guide last night. there doesn't seem to be anything considered higher than an r5 in scarcity. i know the n64 didn't have a ton of games, and that most of its developers weren't far from the main staff. still, it kind of sucks on the collector's part - unless you're just trying to find every game. i guess that's the dark cloud's silver lining.

[NESVIDIOT]

Maybe not right now, but there will be certain titles that over the next few years become more rare. That combined with the fact that certain titles will always be highly sought will increase rarity and value. Harvest Moon 64, Ogre Battle 64, Command & Conquer 64 and Starcraft 64 are already not very common because everyone wants them. Then there are titles like Buck Bumble, Chameleon Twist 1 & 2 and a few others that weren't very popular and as such are hard to find too. Just give it a few more years, there will be rarities.
Also, there are the kiosk carts that were used as demo carts at the retailers. They are pretty rare. I have a mint Excitebike demo cart, and a Mario Party 2 demo cart that isn't working and kind of rough. Anyone else have any of these carts??

[16-bit]

What about International Super Star Soccer 2000?

[Ernster]

Oh boo hoo, no rare games. Sorry lol. I use to be excited about owning a rare game but than I thought to myself what is so good about having a rare game? Most of us I presume don't collect for profit so who cares about rare games :/

[MegaDrive20XX]

What about International Super Star Soccer 2000?

Or Clay Fighter Sculptor's Cut?

or Harvest Moon?


16-bit wouldn't lie! Yet like others have stated, there aren't really many rares out there...unless you include the JPN Imports...then that's a different story...

[legov8]

At least it doesn't make it that hard to find games for it. (I have two R5's)

[GrandAmChandler]

I believe I still have a Mario Tennis Not for Resale Cart!

[roushimsx]

I'm slowly trying to collect all of the R5s, right now down to three more rental-only carts (Blitz 2001, ISS 2000, Clay Fighter's Sculptor's Cut). I'm pretty sure I can find the first two locally, but the third one I heard was quite a bit rarer since it was recalled instead of sold off as used from most Blockbusters (or something to that effect).

Can't wait to finally turn one of those babies up.

I was pretty estatic when i found Cruisn Exotica, Blitz Special Edition, and Razor Freestyle Scooter (http://roushimsx.shackspace.com/loot_050712.jpg) all on the same day (along with Chavez II for SNES).

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[b0bby]

yea i agree the only thing i want right now is harvest moon 64 and ogre battle 64 complete and mint...so if anybody has those two for sale/trade send them my way :D
thanks

[DigitalSpace]

There is one non-US release that is a 6: The Australian Snowboard Kids 2 (http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=37285). But yeah, that's it.

On another note, Cruisn' Exotica is the only R5 I own at the moment. I've seen other R5's, but they're usually games I don't care for, or too expensive.

Also, I found Harvest Moon 64 last year loose for $15... not the best of deals, but I thought I'd have to pay at least $20 if I ever found one, so that's one of my favorite N64 finds. :)

[Zilla]

I'm stoked that there aren't many rare games for the N-64. I hate looking at a game I need in my collection and realizing its like an r-7 or r-8. I'm not rolling in the dough and I want this stuff so I can play it, bad or not. That's why knowing that there aren't games rarer than r-5 on N-64 is great. Makes getting all that system had to offer (US releases anyway) much more reasonable.

[Mr.FoodMonster]

Never noticed that. Well, I've got 2 fives that I didn't even know where in low quantity, Earthworm Jim 3d (I think its an awesome game if you can get beyond the TERRIBLE camera) and Cruisn Exotica... I got them both online for pretty cheap.

[drewbrim]

If you are planning to collect for the N64 now is definetly the time. There are only 2 US released games that I've never seen in the wild. Those being Clay Fighters and Starcraft 64. At my local thrifts N64 games are everywhere to the point that you can find almost anything you are looking for. I see Earthworm Jim, Crusin Exotica, Wetrix, and Buck Bumble (to name a few) everywhere I look and they are usually only $5. They are loose mind you but still, now is the time before those R5's move up to R7's

[Jumpman Jr.]

Even the rare ones aren't that rare.
I got a copy of International Soccer Superstar 2000 complete and mint for $15 at a game store. And I'm in Canada, where everything is hard to find.

[fishsandwich]

Even the rare ones aren't that rare.
I got a copy of International Soccer Superstar 2000 complete and mint for $15 at a game store. And I'm in Canada, where everything is hard to find.

Damn lucky, I say! I've been looking for a complete copy of this game for almost 6 months. It hardly ever appears on Epay, and when it does, it's loose.

Gimmie!

:D

[PDorr3]

I remember harvest moon 64 always being expensive, so whe nI walked into an eb games years ago and saw a mint complete copy for $20, lets just say I bought it :)
Great game too!

[Vectorman0]

In the future, ISS 2000 and othes will definitly be higher than R5.

[chadtower]

It took me a year of hard hunting to find a complete copy of Clayfighter Sculptor's Cut, and when I did, I actually found two. I ebayed one of them for nearly $80. This game is a lot rarer than a 5.

Keep in mind, the ratings rarely get updated and the systems that are only a few years out of production are not accurate.

[kevincure]

I think Sculptor's Cut might be a 6, but that's the only one that deserved to be over R5. N64 collecting is very, very easy. If you're going for a complete collection, buy the games loose and buy box/instruction lots on ebay to complete them. You can find these lots for $1 or $2/game all the time. I know Qixmaster and I have managed to pick up lots that include hundreds of mint, folded boxes in the wild on two or three occasions.

[PDorr3]

Speaking of boxes, do you guys consider n64 games not complete if they are missing that inner white cardboard insert that keeps the carts in place? basicaly all of my boxes are missing them.

[Jumpman Jr.]

Even the rare ones aren't that rare.
I got a copy of International Soccer Superstar 2000 complete and mint for $15 at a game store. And I'm in Canada, where everything is hard to find.

Damn lucky, I say! I've been looking for a complete copy of this game for almost 6 months. It hardly ever appears on Epay, and when it does, it's loose.

Gimmie!

:D

No way Jose.
I'm trying to complete a boxed collection. This one was a big cross off my list. :D
You'll find one eventually. I'm the least lucky guy when it comes to finding things, and I found this ;)

[Teo]

at least that makes finds easier

[Sothy]

It hasnt been dead that long so too early to start calling rarities ont he system. As more tiem goes by and more research can be done the rarity values will be fine tuned.

I mean jesus in a few months were gonna have "WHATS THE RAREST XBOX 360 GAME SO FAR!?@" posts.

Oh by the way Carmageddon 64 will be a rare.

[Masco73]

WHat about the indiana jones game?? I thought it was an exclusive to blockbuster or something. I never saw one in the wild.

[Vectorman0]

WHat about the indiana jones game?? I thought it was an exclusive to blockbuster or something. I never saw one in the wild.

It is fairly common. It was available at blockbuster.com and the lucas arts website, not to mention all of the copies blockbuster carried and then sold off.

[slip81]

I'm stoked that there aren't many rare games for the N-64. I hate looking at a game I need in my collection and realizing its like an r-7 or r-8. I'm not rolling in the dough and I want this stuff so I can play it, bad or not. That's why knowing that there aren't games rarer than r-5 on N-64 is great. Makes getting all that system had to offer (US releases anyway) much more reasonable.

These are my thoughts exactly. I like the N64 as a system and I like the games on it, and thats why I decided to get a complete US set. It's nice that there are no extreme rares because it means I'll be able to complete my goal on a realistic budget.

[swlovinist]

I thought I would pipe in on this conversation considering that I am probably one of the few to be be wrapping up my US N64 collection(I am down to two). Getting the set is not hard, but the boxes are not as easy as some think. I can think of about 20 games that are very difficult to find, as well as about a dozen or so games that are hard to find. The rental exclusive boxes are getting harder to find, and as time goes on, it will get worse. I got my boxes from video stores clearing out their collections. I am now 18 boxes away from having an entire boxed collection. As for games above an R5, with all the major chains still carrying N64, most games are still rather easy to get, they may just be expensive(20 to 30). ISS Soccer 2000 to me personally is beyond an R5, since it took me four years to track down a boxed copy.

[roushimsx]

These are my thoughts exactly. I like the N64 as a system and I like the games on it, and thats why I decided to get a complete US set. It's nice that there are no extreme rares because it means I'll be able to complete my goal on a realistic budget.

Same here. I just recently decided to go for the gold (well, silver... I'm not going for boxes+manuals, just carts) the other day when I realized how much my N64 collection has been growing and how little it was actually costing me.

Right now I'm focused on the R5s and a few R4s since I can still get those pretty cheap, and just pick up 3-4 games a week to keep my costs low ..I could be done by the end of next year.

Pretty excited about the possibility of that happening, since this is my first time trying to amass a set since I started seriously NES collecting back in 97 (a collection that's been sadly neglected for years now :( ).

[nate1749]

There were some threads on what system to collect for next and quite a few people said n64 because they saw the carts dropping in price and interest overall dropping. Well I don't know when they think there prediction is going to kick in, because I sure haven't noticed it.

I tried to buy just Mario 64 for over the last 2 months on eBay and have consistently lost to insanly high bids. Latly the cart loose (not even instructions) has been selling for 15-20 + shipping. Yesterday I broke down and went to gamestop and picked it up for $13.50 after discount. Way too much I thought for what would be the most common title for the system, but apparently not.

If you're interested in protective plastic cases for your n64 games (custom cover project), check out this thread: http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62758&highlight=

Nate

[Griking]

How are the games all of a sudden going to become rarer in the upcoming months / years unless N64 games are still being printed? Print runs are what they are and they're what ultimately determines if a game is rare or not.

[Mason P.]

WOW i dint knot that the ISS 2000 was so hard to find. I have one at a loacal store that has it sealed for $30

[Zap!]

On a side note, the N64 also has by-far the smallest amount of released games than any successful-to-semi-successful console system in modern US history. I always wondered why...

BTW, where do you guys find new N64 games in your area? I live in NYC, probably the capital of the world, and I can't find a single store around here that sells complete (in box) used or new N64 games. Only a small handful have loose ones (Blockbuster, Gamestop, etc.), but that's it. I should open up a classic gaming store...<sigh>

[Jumpman Jr.]

BTW, where do you guys find new N64 games in your area? I live in NYC, probably the capital of the world, and I can't find a single store around here that sells complete (in box) used or new N64 games. Only a small handful have loose ones (Blockbuster, Gamestop, etc.), but that's it. I should open up a classic gaming store...<sigh>

I was in NYC about a month ago and I actually picked up some boxed Blockbuster exclusives at an EB games. I can't remember exactly where it was... I think it was on Broadway, right across from the Manhattan Mall... I think

[Cmtz]

yea i agree the only thing i want right now is harvest moon 64 and ogre battle 64 complete and mint...so if anybody has those two for sale/trade send them my way :D
thanks


It's at my local blockbuster with box and all. I have harvest moon 64. So let me go to blockbuster.

PS. What about Shadowgate 64?

[Bromhidrosis]

PS. What about Shadowgate 64?

According to a now closed website (closed for unlawfully publishing NPD data,) Shadowgate 64 sold about 43,000 copies and as of the last time I checked is an R3. So, yeah, it's fairly rare despite what DP has it listed as. It's also an excellent game, but that's beside the point.

[Mayhem]

If anyone has complete and good condition US copies of ISS2000 and Track & Field, then let me know :)

(I won't go overboard on spending but I will pay pretty well)

[Masco73]

How are the games all of a sudden going to become rarer in the upcoming months / years unless N64 games are still being printed? Print runs are what they are and they're what ultimately determines if a game is rare or not.

I don't think the rarity values are done being tweaked. I think it will take many years to determine that. I am sure Joe can tell you how long it took to get the rarity down for the 2600.
Remember the n64 is still pretty young in terms of a classic game system. I think once mainstream stores stop selling the carts and when people start collecting for nostalgia in 5-7 years the rarity values will start to be dialed in. I am sure many rarities will change (up & down).

I would say if you are going to try and take on the whole library of games, now is the time.

[izret101]

WOW X_x
I am so surprised to read some of these N64 games are that hard to find...
There is a sealed copy of Sculptors Cut at a local shop (i think it has a faded box though :/ )
Sealed copy of Chameleon Twist, Cruisn Exotica,

I think the shop has at least half of the N64 library CIB if not sealed.

They do have some outrageuos prices on them though..
Like between 30-60$ outrageous.
I think they just haven't updated their pricings.

I already own Ogre Battle got it for 5 bucks at KB Toys

I think i might have to skip thier NES and start grabbing these N64 games. :D

[chadtower]

There is a sealed copy of Sculptors Cut at a local shop (i think it has a faded box though :/ )

I doubt it, unless it's a reseal. They arrived at Blockbuster franchises unsealed, and when it was taken off the shelves, it was supposed to have been thrown away and NOT sold. It was never sold officially anywhere and certainly never at retail.

[Trebuken]

ISS 2000 was the toughest for me to find (I've seen it on Amazon.com regularly though for big $$$). I found it locally (incomplete) for $25 and decided to settle on that for now. I'm having trouble finding two locally...

Bomberman Second Attack and
Wroms Armageddon.

I can find them online, just grabbed a Calyfighter SC, but nobobody mentioned these as future R6's...is it just my area?

Trebuken

[izret101]

There is a sealed copy of Sculptors Cut at a local shop (i think it has a faded box though :/ )

I doubt it, unless it's a reseal. They arrived at Blockbuster franchises unsealed, and when it was taken off the shelves, it was supposed to have been thrown away and NOT sold. It was never sold officially anywhere and certainly never at retail.

Thanks for that bit of info :)
Now if the guy trys to say it should be worth X amount because it is brand new i can tell him i know it was resealed.
I have gone thru this a few time with stores blatantly lying about resealing a game.

[fishsandwich]

WHat about the indiana jones game?? I thought it was an exclusive to blockbuster or something. I never saw one in the wild.

It is fairly common. It was available at blockbuster.com and the lucas arts website, not to mention all of the copies blockbuster carried and then sold off.

I'll bet this is the most common of the "rental only" games as Blockbuster got a lot of copies to rent. Plus it was available direct from two websites (as previosly mentioned.)

I'm going with Sculpter's Cut and ISS 2000. Don't forget about Transformers and especially Stunt Racer 64... Most Blockbusters only had one copy of each.

[Jumpman Jr.]

Today, I was out hunting, and I found a copy of Earthworm Jim 3D with is an R5, and they were selling it for 5.99 (Canadian). AND it was at an EB that has like 4 N64 games. That shows you what an R5 means on the N64.
I actually didn't buy it either. It was loose, and I only collect boxed N64 games. 8-)

[roushimsx]

Don't forget about Transformers and especially Stunt Racer 64... Most Blockbusters only had one copy of each.

Diverting from the collecting aspect for a minute, Stunt Racer 64 is just an awesome game that never gets enough love partially because it was a rental only with crappy distribution and partially because it's unemulated so the only way you'll get to experience the raw awesomeness of it is if you track down a copy and buy it.

I had intented on recording some gameplay videos of a few of the courses this weekend but I ended up getting sidetracked by Minna Daisuki Katamari Damacy (again) and Gigawing Generations (not that great of a port, not as good as Gigawing 1 and 2, and I still love it) :(

On topic, what's the official count of US released N64 titles, not including kiosks and such?

Can't wait to finally track down Harvest Moon 64 and Ogre Battle 64, damnit. Once I have those under my belt I have a feeling that the rest of the games will just fall into place :)

[Trebuken]

The DP Master List (System Totals) states there are 298 N64 games, though it could be a couple more...

Trebuken

[nate1749]

On topic, what's the official count of US released N64 titles, not including kiosks and such?


297 for NTSC according to the digitpress guide.
http://n64.ukbeats.com/n64list.htm

Nate

[Mayhem]

I've got a sealed HM64 at home... was sorely tempted to open it so I could play it but have never done so. Yet! That'll probably go up in value in the near future at least...

[WanganRunner]

Does this count the N64DD stuff? Mario Artist has to be higher than an R5....

[dreamcaster]

So is anyone going to be tackling the rarities for the N64 kiosk carts anytime soon? I've got a few and would like to know how rare they really are.

[Mayhem]

Does this count the N64DD stuff? Mario Artist has to be higher than an R5....

Which Mario Artist... there are four ;)

They are all under the N64 section but no rarity/price yet.

[fishsandwich]

On topic, what's the official count of US released N64 titles, not including kiosks and such?


297 for NTSC according to the digitpress guide.
http://n64.ukbeats.com/n64list.htm

Nate

Are you sure it's that many? Would that inlcude things like Zelda "Collectors Edition" gold carts and such? I know they didn't have samplers, but I'd always thought it was closer to 250. I hope so!

[Mayhem]

Like any other game, there's just one entry with details of variants within the text (for such as the grey and gold versions of Zelda).

[WanganRunner]

Does this count the N64DD stuff? Mario Artist has to be higher than an R5....

Which Mario Artist... there are four ;)

They are all under the N64 section but no rarity/price yet.

I am aware of this. I was referring to the package of four, as they were only available (afaik) as part of the RandNet package, and not available for purchase seperately.

betta' recognize!

[Trebuken]

297 is the total on the system count list (someone say 298 in the guide, mine is in the mail?). I personally have 294 or 295 and only know of 2 missing (keep my games catalougued in Game Collector, must have one entered wrong). This does not include the Zelda variants though it does include the Clayfighter variant (Sculptor's Cut). It does not include kiosk/sampler/demo games. It does not include N64 DD games. It does not include any import games either (any idea how many games were not released in the US, a total # of distinct games?). Once I get the last two I'm going to finalize my count but I think the DP guide is on the money.

Trebuken

[Zap!]

Why is count so small on the N64, anyway? 297/298 is the smallest list of games on any modern successful-to-semi-successful system ever, no?

[kevincure]

Why so low? That's what all of us wanted to know when the 64 was still alive! I remember that me and my bud used to sit around replaying Mario and WaveRace, with a bit of Blast Corps from time to time, waiting for Big N to release...anything. I would assume that the profit margins on cart weren't very good compared to the PSX, and once the PSX had a bigger install base, that was it. Nonetheless, 298 proves the worth of Nintendo's internal dev - the PSX had more than four times as many games and the 64 still competed.

[Mayhem]

So what are you still missing Trebuken?

[Trebuken]

As I recall Nintendo 64 games were more expensive. Cartridges cost more to produce than the PS1 CD's. I also believe Nintendo made some mistakes in licensing there games to other producers, namely, they charged excessive royalties. They had some great games though, this allowed them to compete. They also had a monopoly on the younger crowd, espeacially at the end, with all the Mario and Pokemon titles. They extended this success to the Gamecube. I read in agme magazine that between the GBA and the Gamecube, Nintendo turns a greter profit than Sony or Microsoft.

Trebuken..

Missing Worms Armageddon and Bomberman Second Attack...

[Mayhem]

I'll keep an eye out for them...

I've hopefully just bought myself a complete copy of ISS2000 without any stickers on all parts at all (certainly none in the photo I got) and maybe a complete Track and Field as well. After all this time looking... I run into both in the same day. How typical.

[nate1749]

I remember reading at the time when 64 was released that Nintendo was also pushing quality, while sony was pushing quantity. I believe their mindset was it was better to have fewer games and most of them be good, rather than a ton of games and most of them be crap.

I'm sure cart costs and other things mentioned above also contributed to that mindset.

My count of n64 games is from the digitpress online rarity guide (criteria: nintendo64 & usa releases). If you want to see exactly what's included in the count, just click on the link I provided. Ignore the slash outs through some of the names, that just means we have the box scans for it.

Nate

[bargora]

How are the games all of a sudden going to become rarer in the upcoming months / years unless N64 games are still being printed? Print runs are what they are and they're what ultimately determines if a game is rare or not.
While print runs are the initial determinant of rarity, keep in mind that the rarity ratings are (ideally) absolute, not relative. So as games are thrown away and games stop working, the absolute numbers available for collection will drop. And so the rarity could go up.

So I don't understand exactly how N64 games being printed now (which, of course, they're not) could be relevant to games becoming rarer. Printing more games could only make them less rare.

[fishsandwich]

297 is the total on the system count list (someone say 298 in the guide, mine is in the mail?). I personally have 294 or 295 and only know of 2 missing (keep my games catalougued in Game Collector, must have one entered wrong). This does not include the Zelda variants though it does include the Clayfighter variant (Sculptor's Cut). It does not include kiosk/sampler/demo games. It does not include N64 DD games. It does not include any import games either (any idea how many games were not released in the US, a total # of distinct games?). Once I get the last two I'm going to finalize my count but I think the DP guide is on the money.

Trebuken

Dammit! I guess I got it mixed up with Saturn at around 250. I'm only 2/3 the way through? I'm out of room and I'm giving up. I'll assume the other 100 are sports games, dammit. If they aren't, don't tell me.

:angry:

[Trebuken]

I have not gotten to far into collecting for the Saturn yet (working on SMS, these are fairly inexpensive), but the same system list states there are 297 Sega Saturn games, followed by the CD-I at 281 (must be all movies and kiddie games), then Dreamcast at 277 (I thought it was lower...249 or so), then the Game Gear at 256 (includes imports???)

Trebuken

[kevincure]

As for quality vs. quantity: Which system allowed the release of the god-awful Superman, and which system forced the title to be cancelled after it was all but complete? (The basic point, of course, is true, but one can't ignore that Sony forced dozens upon dozens of titles to go unreleased for quality reasons).