NAME AND SHAME

[Mayhem]

Please see the new rules thread for the definitions and rules regarding being named here:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66792

We really hope that no one gets listed below. But it's obvious it will be inevitable. This is a new thread for the mods to keep track of who's been breaking the rules.


DEFCON3
(no one at present)


DEFCON2
(no one at present)


DEFCON1
(no one at present)

[jajaja]

Is this really nessesary? Cant you just send a PM to the user(s) who break the rule and give a warning instead?

[Berserker]

We do send PMs. Don't expect to see mods quoting rules within the actual threads that often from now on.

The way I see it, the main purpose this list serves is so that we mods can keep track of who's been warned, how many times etc. It's not necessary, but it's preferred this way so that someone doesn't end up getting warned 2 or 3 times for 1 infraction, etc.

Perhaps we could've worked out a way to have this list kept privately, but the way I figure, why not just let everyone know precisely where they stand at any given time?

It could also be argued that there's a bit of a public humiliation factor here. While that may be true, the main purpose this list holds to me is helping us to keep track of what's going on, and helping you folks keep track of where you stand as well.

[Mayhem]

Indeed, too many people have been breaking the rules, and there's been an upturn in the last month or so.

Since these rules have been in effect, there's been a drop in a corresponding timeframe. Let's hope that continues, as then it proves what we are now doing works :)

[THATinkjar]

While I feel Mayhem's intentions are good, I feel (like a few others, it would seem) that this is the wrong way to go about it. Sorry.

[anagrama]

While I feel Mayhem's intentions are good, I feel (like a few others, it would seem) that this is the wrong way to go about it. Sorry.

So what better alternative would you suggest? It's not as if it'll have been decided on a whim and, given the number of people breaking the rules every single day, it's obvious that the existing system of asking nicely isn't working.

[Mayhem]

Exactly. Both Berserker and I agreed that we needed to be more strict about rule breakers as it was happening far too often, usually several times per day. What's the point in having rules if you're not enforcing them?

If you don't break the rules, you won't end up in this thread, simple as :)

[Jumpman Jr.]

I think its a good idea.
(it might be the same in other places... I don't know), but here in Ottawa, if you get caught with a prostitute, your name gets put in the paper saying so.
Teaches them a lesson they won't forget.

[tritium]

As much as I dislike public humiliation, its definately an effective way of getting people to behave.

Under normal circumstances I would chastise someone for suggesting this, but there really isn't a better or more effective way to deal with people who continue to break to rules.

<sigh>

[Kitsune Sniper]

While I agree that a list of people who break the rules is necessary, I don't agree with you guys putting it up in public. That may just incite people to start fights with them just so they get banned or whatever.

[philosophyst]

It's ridiculous to publicly humilate people for a mistake or judgement error in this friendly community.

It's truly disappointing to see this going on in a great place like DP.

The mods can surely find a way to keep track of people without all of this nonsense. Believe me, I am all for following the rules and consequences for actions but this Defcon thing is pretty shallow. Give people warnings, suspend them, whatever needs to be done but don't get the general community involved.

[InsaneDavid]

I have to agree with this list being in public as a bad idea. I mean, it seems that drastic actions are needed to prevent the spur of sour sales lately but blacklisting DP members will just gum up the works further. I also understand that it is important for the rest of the DP community to know when a member has made said violation - but isn't that what the feedback forum is for?

Perhaps DEFCON 3 and 2 violations could be private but once a user hits DEFCON 1 then they are blacklisted in public? Just seems to me that this would turn into the DP KGB thread or something.

[Mayhem]

Well there's only one name there currently, and he may well be removed shortly for compliance.

So then there'll be no names. And if there continues to be no names in the list, then you people know that for the most part the rules are being followed and they are hardly being broken.

And that's a far better situation than it was before, when on some days, we were issuing multiple warnings.

Seriously though... you have to be the mod to see just how often infractions were occuring. The sticky up top if for a reason; to read it before you post here. And take it in. The important part. I've seen people read stuff and then still attempt something when the words in question just read tell them they can't do it!

(witness countless times of tales from QoF about the store sign saying "Closed" and people still rattling the door wanting to come in to buy something!)

More precisely, if we didn't feel something needed to be shaken up, then it wouldn't have happened. We'll be monitoring the situation and adjusting it accordingly. I've had support for this course of action, so it seems it may split opinion here. But Berserker was in full agreement with the idea hence we have implemented it.

[GyBaNO]

I really don't see a problem with this at all. Just don't be an ass and everything will be alright.

Though, there will most likely be some people out there who would careless if they're on that list at all. Hell, you guys will probably have people doing their damndest to try and get on it every now and then. Sure wouldn't surprise me any.

[Cauterize]

It's ridiculous to publicly humilate people for a mistake or judgement error in this friendly community.

It's truly disappointing to see this going on in a great place like DP.

The mods can surely find a way to keep track of people without all of this nonsense. Believe me, I am all for following the rules and consequences for actions but this Defcon thing is pretty shallow. Give people warnings, suspend them, whatever needs to be done but don't get the general community involved.


I have to agree with this list being in public as a bad idea. I mean, it seems that drastic actions are needed to prevent the spur of sour sales lately but blacklisting DP members will just gum up the works further. I also understand that it is important for the rest of the DP community to know when a member has made said violation - but isn't that what the feedback forum is for?

Perhaps DEFCON 3 and 2 violations could be private but once a user hits DEFCON 1 then they are blacklisted in public? Just seems to me that this would turn into the DP KGB thread or something.

Im agreeing with these points here...

Making this public is just going to make trades sour...
For example, if i had a trade in progress with WanganRunner, id feel a little cautious here...
I dont know what hes done or when he's done it as the reason his name is there isnt listed...
*looks through Wangan's posts...*

Once again though, you are the mods, you run this board, but surely a warning PM is enough right?

I feel this will only discourage users to use the buying forum if there name appears... As there would be a worry that this person is a fraudster or something along those lines

Looking through his posts, i notice he is on this thread because he bumped his topic....

I know you arent happy about it, but you put a warning on his thread for him and im sure you PM'ed him
But publicly making this out to everyone on a thread called "Named and Shamed!" i feel is a little extreme...

I could understand if he came into someones thread and totally made fun of the person and said something along the lines of "your prices suck and eBay is cheaper" then yeah, they have humilatiated someone publically so THEY deserve to be in here, but not someone bumping a topic!!!

Sure, we have rules to follow but IMO each one has different values
A Topic bump shouldnt be a public humiliation...
The trolls humiliating people in the selling threads should be in here

Just my 2 cents...
And like i said, you are the mods and all i can put forward is my opinion.

[anagrama]

I really fail to see why so many people are getting worked up about this - rules are rules, they exist for good reasons, and anyone willfully ignoring them deserves to be brought to task.

I truly pity the mods here sometimes - no matter what is agreed for whatever valid reasons, there is always going to be a bunch of people lining up to throw their $0.02 in because they obviously know better than everyone else (yet would probably be complaining just as loudly if repeat offenders did not have action taken against them...). Damned if you do...

[Drexel923]

Im agreeing with these points here...

Making this public is just going to make trades sour...
For example, if i had a trade in progress with WanganRunner, id feel a little cautious here...
I dont know what hes done or when he's done it as the reason his name is there isnt listed...
*looks through Wangan's posts...*

I don't see why this would happen...for all you know he could be up there for excessive bumping or multiple threads after warnings. If it would clear things up, maybe the MODs should put the rule(s) that the member broke next to his name?


Once again though, you are the mods, you run this board, but surely a warning PM is enough right?

Obviously not. I know from when I was a MOD, there were plenty of people warned and then the very next day they would go about doing the same stuff against the rules. I guess they figured they wouldn't be banned for excessive bumping or threads and didn't care...well now here's another method to try out. I have a feeling that this may fix most of those problems.


I could understand if he came into someones thread and totally made fun of the person and said something along the lines of "your prices suck and eBay is cheaper" then yeah, they have humilatiated someone publically so THEY deserve to be in here, but not someone bumping a topic!!

Sure, we have rules to follow but IMO each one has different values

If a rule is being broken, then a rule is being broken. There should be no distinction between them. All the rules are there for a reason, and even the "smaller" ones have an effect on the way the board is run and how everyone is treated fairly.

[Mayhem]

Obviously not. I know from when I was a MOD, there were plenty of people warned and then the very next day they would go about doing the same stuff against the rules.

This is pretty much it. We warn people. They still do it. So why have the rules and warn people in the first place if it makes no difference to their attitude in this forum? If people know from looking in this thread that some people are rule breakers, then maybe they'll think twice about dealing with them. And that, my friends, is solely brought about by the people themselves who are listed here.

We are looking to make it slightly more lenient. And Wangan will be removed shortly for compliance reasons.

[PDorr3]

I don't see why this would happen...for all you know he could be up there for excessive bumping or multiple threads after warnings. If it would clear things up, maybe the MODs should put the rule(s) that the member broke next to his name?


I think this is a good idea, next to the persons name should be a short description of WHY they are on the list, this way we know if its a simple topic bump only 23 hours after the last post, or if it is indeed a serious violation of some sort.

Overall I think it is a fairly good idea, I mean If I see someones name on there for topic bumping, I wont haveto be cautious about going about a trade with that person anymore.

[Cauterize]

I don't see why this would happen...for all you know he could be up there for excessive bumping or multiple threads after warnings. If it would clear things up, maybe the MODs should put the rule(s) that the member broke next to his name?


I think this is a good idea, next to the persons name should be a short description of WHY they are on the list, this way we know if its a simple topic bump only 23 hours after the last post, or if it is indeed a serious violation of some sort.

Overall I think it is a fairly good idea, I mean If I see someones name on there for topic bumping, I wont haveto be cautious about going about a trade with that person anymore.

Quite the point i was getting at...

I had to search through Wangans posts and threads to see what was the problem...

[Archenemy]

Some thingies here:

When you get something, do you open it and try to get it to work immediatly without reading the instructions first? REALLY??? Wow then I can understand WHY so many repeteadly broke the guidelines. It only takes common sense with appears to be the least common of the senses...
Unless in your jobs appear a nice "Enforcer" Title, meaning you ARE a mod here, we all are regular common guy next door users of a WONDERFUL FREE Website. So with no "Enforcer" in your titles, you do quite NOTHING to help running the place and only get the best of it.
Rules are to be followed. Guidelines are to be respected. Don't you like it? Then please go elsewhere where you can do just whatever you like.
Joe usually sends friendly PMs to tell you that you screw it. Then you decided what you do: If you follow his advise and behave or if you like to continously repeat in order to see how long last the patience of the mods.
As far as I understand, this is supposed to be a list of those who BROKE the forums rules. I wouldn't distrust from someone on THIS list if I would to buy/sell/trade something from/with that user. I believe the FEEDBACK is a better thermometer for that matter. In any case, your name in this list could be a little more than a reminder that you jump very quick before reading the instruction manual.

I believe it takes a BIG effort to catch every single guy who broke the guidelines. So let the mods do what they believe correct (following Joe's guidelines= after all, IT IS JOE'S FREE SITE!!!) and... read the instruction manual before operating. Common sense ;)

So why the discomfort? :hmm:

[boatofcar]

I don't see why this would happen...for all you know he could be up there for excessive bumping or multiple threads after warnings. If it would clear things up, maybe the MODs should put the rule(s) that the member broke next to his name?


I think this is a good idea, next to the persons name should be a short description of WHY they are on the list, this way we know if its a simple topic bump only 23 hours after the last post, or if it is indeed a serious violation of some sort.

Overall I think it is a fairly good idea, I mean If I see someones name on there for topic bumping, I wont haveto be cautious about going about a trade with that person anymore.

I agree. Posting the infraction next to the name in question is appropriate if you plan on listing names in public. If one of your friends is arrested, it means all the difference in the world if it's for murder, or for public intoxication.

[Mayhem]

Whilst the list remains in place for now (though its existance is being currently discussed), I will take on board the suggestion to list what infraction any person noted within has done to be on there.

As before... the rate of warnings so far since implementation is down. Which can only be a good sign. Makes for a better place.

[The_Chosen_One]

Just curious, but why don't you guys have a MOD forum. One that only mods are allowed in and gives you the chance to discuss things such as keeping track of who's had how many warnings etc. Your saying that is the main reason for this thread, and I've seen MOD forums on many other boards.

[kainemaxwell]

Just curious, but why don't you guys have a MOD forum. One that only mods are allowed in and gives you the chance to discuss things such as keeping track of who's had how many warnings etc. Your saying that is the main reason for this thread, and I've seen MOD forums on many other boards.

I'm pretty sure there is a MOD forum there that us regulars can't seen.

[Sniderman]

Just curious, but why don't you guys have a MOD forum. One that only mods are allowed in and gives you the chance to discuss things such as keeping track of who's had how many warnings etc. Your saying that is the main reason for this thread, and I've seen MOD forums on many other boards.

Psssttt...there are forums you can't see. Betcha a Mod Forum is one of 'em. And I betcha things like this ARE discussed. Betcha.

[The_Chosen_One]

Just curious, but why don't you guys have a MOD forum. One that only mods are allowed in and gives you the chance to discuss things such as keeping track of who's had how many warnings etc. Your saying that is the main reason for this thread, and I've seen MOD forums on many other boards.

Psssttt...there are forums you can't see. Betcha a Mod Forum is one of 'em. And I betcha things like this ARE discussed. Betcha.

That's kinda the point then. If there is one that we can't see, then that kinda shoots the whole "the main purpose of this is so that mods can see who's had how many warnings etc" thing down.

[ClubNinja]

Just curious, but why don't you guys have a MOD forum. One that only mods are allowed in and gives you the chance to discuss things such as keeping track of who's had how many warnings etc. Your saying that is the main reason for this thread, and I've seen MOD forums on many other boards.

Psssttt...there are forums you can't see. Betcha a Mod Forum is one of 'em. And I betcha things like this ARE discussed. Betcha.

News to me. Do you mean *admin*, or is there a loop I'm out of?

[Berserker]

That's kinda the point then. If there is one that we can't see, then that kinda shoots the whole "the main purpose of this is so that mods can see who's had how many warnings etc" thing down.

I think you may have misread that, since you're obviously referring to what I said here earlier. Read my words again. I was speaking as to what the main purpose of this thread was *to me*. I wouldn't expect people to be so naive as to think that a thread titled "NAME AND SHAME" would have absolutely nothing to do with some kind of public humiliation. I was speaking on my OWN behalf there, and no one elses.

Personally, I couldn't give a rip about public humiliation either way. My main concern is making sure people have a fair time of getting their Buying & Selling threads noticed and responded to here without having to worry about getting pushed down to the bottom or off the page by people who don't feel like playing by the rules. If that means that a few people who do this often need to face some kind of threat of a little embarassment, so be it. If it means that we need to scrap it and think of some other way of making sure this concern is met and dealt with, so be it.

As Mayhem mentioned, this thread's very existence in this forum is currently being debated. But no matter which way things end up going, I feel that our job here as mods are to make sure you folks have an easier time of things here, and to keep things as sane as possible while doing so. And if there's something that could possibly improve both of those factors, well, I'm more than willing to try it at least once.

[The_Chosen_One]

My apologies your right, I did reread that and you were solely speaking for yourself. I did misunderstand that. But my question was more of is it possible to handle this privately via something like a MOD forum or would that not be feasable for whatever reason.


It could also be argued that there's a bit of a public humiliation factor here. While that may be true, the main purpose this list holds to me is helping us to keep track of what's going on, and helping you folks keep track of where you stand as well.

Given this quote and the following:


I wouldn't expect people to be so naive as to think that a thread titled "NAME AND SHAME" would have absolutely nothing to do with some kind of public humiliation.

First your saying that it COULD be argued that ther IS a bit of public humilation, then your saying we're naive if we think there isn't?

Either way doesn't matter, of course there is a public humilation factor. I was just curious if it was possible to do this in private and you guys just chose to do it in public for the public humilation.

[The_Chosen_One]

And to be clear I understand why you are trying to do this and I agree that its helpful. I just don't think it should be public. If it HAD to be public to be facilitated properly then that's understandable. But if it was just chosen to be public to humilate those people then I don't agree with that. At least not for things like bumping a thread to often or whatever.

[Berserker]

First your saying that it COULD be argued that ther IS a bit of public humilation, then your saying we're naive if we think there isn't?

I'm not going to argue semantics with you in this thread. If you really want to discuss it further, PM me. Thanks.

[Mayhem]

Face it, people don't like being called out when they aren't playing fair. They can whine, bitch, moan, complain and generally throw a strop. Nothing takes away from the fact that they are in the wrong however. And if this thread can show to people that potentially sellers can't even abide by the simple rules here, then maybe they'd think about whether they can be a good seller or not.

[scorch56]

I don't like the idea either.. but then again.. I think there are already enough "Mortimers" in the world..

eBay gets it's own customers to police each other.. for free.. by people who have WAY too much free time on their hands..

so why not DP? sign of the times..

[Adonick]

PS - Scorch. I know I've been really lacklustre so far but I was just on the phone with my man Chris E. and you now have incoming mail. Sorry, but getting kicked out of your parents house makes for strange problem.

-Nick

[JJNova]

Don't most of us already recognize the assholes anyway?

If it's to protect newbies, then of course they can just lookup a users past trades through the search bar, referring to the user they want to trade with as the Topic.

Now if it's there so that people can see who is about to be banned, scolded, restricted, or made fun of, then it's sorta pointless. If someones been warned, and fails to comply, or lessen their crime, then obviously it was of no concern to them initially.

I really don't see what the benefits to this are, rather than so that Mods can see who has already been warned, and once again, that could be locked away on a hidden Category. Just like the Pub is.

I read through the thread, but didn't get clarification on what the actual intent is. Of course, I'm stupid. So that would have a good sway in my comprehension.

[scorch56]

PS - Scorch. I know I've been really lacklustre so far but I was just on the phone with my man Chris E. and you now have incoming mail. Sorry, but getting kicked out of your parents house makes for strange problem.

-Nick

HUH? What's that got to do with THIS thread? This isn't the place to be telling me that you've gotten around to mailing a game out to me that I paid you for 6 weeks ago. Besides.. I'll belive it when I see it. You told me a week ago it'd gone out two days before and now it sounds again as if it just got mailed. I've "written off" the $26. "I" hadn't made this public yet.. but if you're feeling a little "ashamed"..

[Damaramu]

I'm rather neutral on this, so whatever........however, how about giving us a "stickified" BLACK LIST?

[Yamazaki]

Blacklist like on neogeo.com would be good.

[davepesc]

So, is this like putting your name on the blackboard in class?

OMG, I've been banninated for excessive bumping, at least that's what his wife said OMGOMG!

Really, I thought we were (mostly) adults here, but there's an iron fist thing going on here. I mean, heaven forbid you ask a question that was already asked 2 1/2 years ago. Sheesh.

[Mayhem]

Well put it this way. If people don't listen and obey, what else are you to do? Ask them again nicely? Sorry, isn't having an effect. It might seem odd to you but considering I've been on the net for over 12 years now, there are some people who just don't listen at all...

[scorch56]

It might seem odd to you but considering I've been on the net for over 12 years now, there are some people who just don't listen at all...

..awww geez.. now we're pulling out our "credentials". :roll: BBS'es? Gopher.. FidoNet.. I think I got you beat there. This even reminds me of the beginning of a "flame war" I remember once on Usenet. I hope we all can be civil and mature here.. THAT one got REALLY ugly. ;)

.. and no.. it doesn't seem "odd" to me at all.. I think I encounter people like that in the real world everyday.

[Mayhem]

BBS'es? Gopher.. FidoNet..

Used all of them myself too. Now that does seem so long ago to me. I was also using Qnet (what turned into AOL) and Compunet during the 80s ;)

But this isn't about credentials, so I won't get sidetracked. As you said, idiots are all about, and idiots that don't seem to listen or obey simple rules either. I mean, how difficult is it to read and understand and follow? You'd think people could do that from early school. Evidently not. Heavy handed appearance but needs as must seeing as some people just refuse to follow the line...

[scorch56]

BBS'es? Gopher.. FidoNet..

Used all of them myself too. Now that does seem so long ago to me. I was also using Qnet (what turned into AOL) and Compunet during the 80s ;)

But this isn't about credentials, so I won't get sidetracked. As you said, idiots are all about, and idiots that don't seem to listen or obey simple rules either. I mean, how difficult is it to read and understand and follow? You'd think people could do that from early school. Evidently not. Heavy handed appearance but needs as must seeing as some people just refuse to follow the line...

Well.. OK.. but then.. let's HAVE a healthy discussion! As two "old dudes" around here (Me personally.. I AM old (48). But just because you hung out on the same networks as I did doesn't necessarily mean you're as old as I am. You could be as old as what.. HALF my age? ;) I was a "late" bloomer. LOL ) don't you think that maybe that has a lot to do with the way the "age" demographics have changed here at DP lately as younger and younger enthusiasts join our fray and retro gaming becomes more accessible and popular in general?

Maybe that's why some of us feel a little uneasy about this approach. It's like you're treating us all like children.. because of a few children. Me personally.. I couldn't care less.. I've never broken the posting rules.. nor do I intend to.. so I'll never see my name in the "Hall of Shame" and unlike some have already stated I'm not so sure that I wouldn't deal with a person simply because they can't post properly. So I just don't see the point.

Like some have also said. I'm sure you guys (mods) have avenues to discuss and enforce these issues privately.. away from all of us.. so why not just do it or keep it that way. Unless you simply DO want some of the "Mortimers" of the world helping you; and policing for you. Like I said eBay does it.

Lastly.. if someone constantly breaks the rules.. they're not gonna' care until you ban them anyway; and the thing that always amazes me about these kind of things (but rarely ever gets discussed anywhere) is just how easily one can create a new account and nym anyway. In other words.. wouldn't anybody who gets humiliated simply disappear and resurface again when it's so easy? I would.

[Mayhem]

Depends if they want to stay on DP or not, that's really the thing. We're now threatening a ban if you do continually break the rules. And banning quite often does involve IP and other blocks, not just the user name used here.

I see your point... but that's how things were before and they got totally out of control (why do you think there's a frequent turnover of mods? People get frustrated), so we're trying something new in here. No harm in doing that.

But yeah, the demographic is changing a bit. I do seem one of the more elder statesmen about the place (I just turned 31 for the record) but to me, most of the people I know into retro are a good few years older. I was on the cusp as I see it of being there at the time to appreciate all the classic arcade machines and 8-bit computers and consoles.

So if people are not able to follow some simple ground rules and behave in here (where let's face it, you don't get policed really for the actual working of your posts compared to Off Topic and the main forum) then maybe they are not the sort of people we want about the place in the beginning.

All I ask is for people to play fair. Most of you do. The hard part comes trying to do something about those that do not.

[Jibbajaba]

It's probably ill-advised of me to weigh in on this here, but I'll do so anyway.

Why is this even up for discussion? The mods and admins decided it, so that's how it is. What do you guys care if someone gets added to the list for breaking rules? This list isn't here to shame people, OK? It's here to deter people from breaking the rules in the first place. The electric chair doesn't exist to kill people, it exists to deter people from killing in the first place. But in order for it to have an effect, you have to use it.

Look, combine your threads, don't bump more than once per day, and you'll be fine. Why are people getting all excited about this? And if you have a problem with it, then PM an admin about it, instead of publicly questioning their judgement.

Chris

[scorch56]

This list isn't here to shame people, OK?


Uhmmm.. did you feel funny after you backed out of the thread; and saw the subject line again? ;)

I am not questioning Mayhem's authority; or reason for doing it. I (like others) were merely expressing OUR opinions of the action. I chose to explain my side; and carry on a healthy discussion with another individual who can converse fluently. I doubt very much whether we're "bothering" him. Maybe detracting a very little from the time he could use "policing" but that's probably a pleasant diversion for a mod.

Intelligence is something I encounter rarely on the internet these days. So when I get the chance..

And to Mayhem: Yes.. I had noticed that there had been a higher than usual turnover in Mods lately. I hadn't realized that discipline measures had taken up so much of their time. IMO that fact, right there; is reason enough for you guys to try something "new". Good luck.

[Jibbajaba]

This list isn't here to shame people, OK?


Uhmmm.. did you feel funny after you backed out of the thread; and saw the subject line again? ;)

Hmmm. I'm thinking that maybe you either didn't read my post, or don't understand it. Let me talk a little slower...

The idea of this thread is that it will DETER people from breaking the rules and therefore will not have to be used. The mods do not WANT to put people's names in here and "shame" them. I'm sure that nothing would make Mayhem and Berserker happier than never having to use this thread, but that would require that people follow the rules.

I tend to avoid personal attacks on this forum, but you sir are an utter hypocrite. After the way you handled the Adonick situation, you have no room to comment on this issue. You gave him a shaming the likes of which no one would experience simply by having their nick posted in this thread fo a few days for breaking one of the forum rules.

If there's one thing I can't stand on Digital Press, it is the large number of people who come out of the woodwork to criticize the way the boards are being run, but never actually do anything constructive to contribute to them. I guess that's reflective of society as a whole.

Chris

[scorch56]

This list isn't here to shame people, OK?


Uhmmm.. did you feel funny after you backed out of the thread; and saw the subject line again? ;)

Hmmm. I'm thinking that maybe you either didn't read my post, or don't understand it. Let me talk a little slower...

The idea of this thread is that it will DETER people from breaking the rules and therefore will not have to be used. The mods do not WANT to put people's names in here and "shame" them. I'm sure that nothing would make Mayhem and Berserker happier than never having to use this thread, but that would require that people follow the rules.

I tend to avoid personal attacks on this forum, but you sir are an utter hypocrite. After the way you handled the Adonick situation, you have no room to comment on this issue. You gave him a shaming the likes of which no one would experience simply by having their nick posted in this thread fo a few days for breaking one of the forum rules.

If there's one thing I can't stand on Digital Press, it is the large number of people who come out of the woodwork to criticize the way the boards are being run, but never actually do anything constructive to contribute to them. I guess that's reflective of society as a whole.

Chris

..Yeah whatever guy.. we were simply having a discussion here. No need to get nasty about it until you "weighed in". Nobody's "attacking' anybody. Mayhem and I were having a discussion with a little innocent chiding thrown in perhaps (that's what "wink" icons are for).. no need to get all flustered about it. No one was attacking or criticizing them we were ALL simply offering opinions on the issue. If it had not been open for discussion I'm sure Mayhem would have posted "here's the way it is.. here's the list"; locked it.. and edited it himself when he saw fit.

..but anyway.. hey it's getting late here and I've just spent the last 2 hours writing up THREE separate and lengthy and conversational diatribes and each time I tried to post either the forum would time out.. or my browser would crash and I'd forget to copy & save before I hit the "submit" button. So I'm giving up and having a beer instead (probably a good thing).

The "Adonick" issue doesn't belong in this thread; so I won't comment anymore about it here anymore. If I get the energy tomorrow.. I may try again or I may just PM you Jib with my reply if I can draft it out again.

Sorry Mayhem.. I don't want you to have to lock this thread either.. so I guess this "discussion" is over. I do have one quick question though: Why can't one edit their posts in the FB forum? I really didn't like having to post three times; and would have preferred to edit my single post with additional information. Hope I didn't break any rules ;)


And to Mayhem: Yes.. I had noticed that there had been a higher than usual turnover in Mods lately. I hadn't realized that discipline measures had taken up so much of their time. IMO that fact, right there; is reason enough for you guys to try something "new". Good luck.

.. nuff ' said.

[scorch56]

This list isn't here to shame people, OK?


Uhmmm.. did you feel funny after you backed out of the thread; and saw the subject line again? ;)

Hmmm. I'm thinking that maybe you either didn't read my post, or don't understand it. Let me talk a little slower...

The idea of this thread is that it will DETER people from breaking the rules and therefore will not have to be used. The mods do not WANT to put people's names in here and "shame" them. I'm sure that nothing would make Mayhem and Berserker happier than never having to use this thread, but that would require that people follow the rules.

I tend to avoid personal attacks on this forum, but you sir are an utter hypocrite. After the way you handled the Adonick situation, you have no room to comment on this issue. You gave him a shaming the likes of which no one would experience simply by having their nick posted in this thread fo a few days for breaking one of the forum rules.

If there's one thing I can't stand on Digital Press, it is the large number of people who come out of the woodwork to criticize the way the boards are being run, but never actually do anything constructive to contribute to them. I guess that's reflective of society as a whole.

Chris

..Yeah whatever guy.. we were simply having a discussion here. No need to get nasty about it until you "weighed in". Nobody's "attacking' anybody. Mayhem and I were having a discussion with a little innocent chiding thrown in perhaps (that's what "wink" icons are for).. no need to get all flustered about it. No one was attacking or criticizing them we were ALL simply offering opinions on the issue. If it had not been open for discussion I'm sure Mayhem would have posted "here's the way it is.. here's the list"; locked it.. and edited it himself when he saw fit.

..but anyway.. hey it's getting late here and I've just spent the last 2 hours writing up THREE separate and lengthy and conversational diatribes and each time I tried to post either the forum would time out.. or my browser would crash and I'd forget to copy & save before I hit the "submit" button. So I'm giving up and having a beer instead (probably a good thing).

The "Adonick" issue doesn't belong in this thread; so I won't comment anymore about it here anymore. If I get the energy tomorrow.. I may try again or I may just PM you Jib with my reply if I can draft it out again.

Sorry Mayhem.. I don't want you to have to lock this thread either.. so I guess this "discussion" is over. I do have one quick question though: Why can't one edit their posts in the FB forum? I really didn't like having to post three times; and would have preferred to edit my single post with additional information. Hope I didn't break any rules ;)


And to Mayhem: Yes.. I had noticed that there had been a higher than usual turnover in Mods lately. I hadn't realized that discipline measures had taken up so much of their time. IMO that fact, right there; is reason enough for you guys to try something "new". Good luck.

.. nuff ' said.

[Mayhem]

I do have one quick question though: Why can't one edit their posts in the FB forum? I really didn't like having to post three times; and would have preferred to edit my single post with additional information. Hope I didn't break any rules ;)

I'm guessing so people can't edit feedback if they change their mind. It's a bit like eBay there... ONLY leave it when you're absolutely sure about what you are going to leave and are happy (or upset) with a transaction in question.

As for this thread being locked, well that's another possible idea we're discussing at the moment; wipe it clean and start afresh, and then lock it so only mods/admin can add to it. We'll see... if it survives!

[Mayhem]

I do have one quick question though: Why can't one edit their posts in the FB forum? I really didn't like having to post three times; and would have preferred to edit my single post with additional information. Hope I didn't break any rules ;)

I'm guessing so people can't edit feedback if they change their mind. It's a bit like eBay there... ONLY leave it when you're absolutely sure about what you are going to leave and are happy (or upset) with a transaction in question.

As for this thread being locked, well that's another possible idea we're discussing at the moment; wipe it clean and start afresh, and then lock it so only mods/admin can add to it. We'll see... if it survives!