PS2 vs. Dreamcast

[segarocks30]

I choose PS2 by the smallest bacteria in the planet

[MuppetMaster]

DREAMCAST!!!! no contest!

[segarocks30]

if i could vote twice id put another vote for dreamcast the ps2 and dreamcast are tied!

[chrisbid]

DC > PS2 circa 2000-2001

PS2 equal to or slightly great than DC post 2001

[Yago]

Dreamcast. I really like the games library compared to the PS2. To each as thier own.

[CrimsonNugget]

segarocks30, you can't have that username and then choose PS2! Who do you think you are?! :angry:

[MattyXB]

PS2 has more better games for me. So I vote for PS2.

[segarocks30]

segarocks30, you can't have that username and then choose PS2! Who do you think you are?! :angry: What have I done???!!!!! wahhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! oh god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (segarocks drowns himself in pool)

[segarocks30]

:( :( :( :( :( :( @_@ @_@

EDIT:Sorry I overreacted!

[Sylentwulf]

These boards are too DC fanboi'ed.

That being said, I don't see how this is any contest, I can count the number of DC game sI enjoyed on my hands. I have over... well, I dunno.... 50-100 PS2 games that I thoroughly enjoyed. Although I must admit 3-4 of them ARE DC ports (grandia's, rez)

DC:
Controller - HORRENDOUS
Save system - BAD
Noise - BAD

PS2:
System integrity Reliability - BAD
Size/shape of Console - Vertical is cool, but too damn big
2d Game selection - Not Great
OK, I'm just making things up here, I really don't have much bad to say about the PS2.... Neither does the majority of the rest of the known planet according to anything and anyone you check with.

[Kid Ice]

This isn't as easy to call as PSX vs. Saturn because the smoke hasn't cleared yet. I'll vote DC for now. There's just more DC games that I like, plus the VGA output is sweet. DC's much better for 4-player too. I do appreciate the better PS2 games though, and the fact that it plays PS1 games is a plus.

[Vectorman0]

Anyone remember the DC vs. PS2 video that ign made several years back. That was pretty funny, I have to go see if I still have it on a disc somewhere.

[tuxedojoe]

These boards are too DC fanboi'ed.

That being said, I don't see how this is any contest, I can count the number of DC game sI enjoyed on my hands. I have over... well, I dunno.... 50-100 PS2 games that I thoroughly enjoyed. Although I must admit 3-4 of them ARE DC ports (grandia's, rez)

DC:
Controller - HORRENDOUS
Save system - BAD
Noise - BAD

PS2:
System integrity Reliability - BAD
Size/shape of Console - Vertical is cool, but too damn big
2d Game selection - Not Great
OK, I'm just making things up here, I really don't have much bad to say about the PS2.... Neither does the majority of the rest of the known planet according to anything and anyone you check with.

That's strange. I can count the number of Playstation 2 games that I have enjoyed on my hands (and maybe one or two on my feet), whereas there are many more Dreamcast game that I utterly adore.

And,

DC
Controller- Pretty friggin' awesome. It doesn't live up the the Saturn Model 2 controller, but good nonetheless (why, sega, did you not stick an eight-way d-padon the dreamcast controller?)
Save System- Not the best, put certainly one of the most innovative (I am referring to the VMUs). And the PS2 save system is nothing to boast about either.
Noise- eh, I'll give you this one.


I really don't have much bad to say about the PS2.... Neither does the majority of the rest of the known planet according to anything and anyone you check with.

Bad things about the PS2:
-Playing imports is nearly impossible
-Only 2 controller ports on a standard system
-Console is not reliable at all (Sony may have fixed this, but last I heard, PS2 were dying left and right)
-Not enough good, exclusive (and original) titles

That being said, I will be the first in line to pick up a PS2 when the price tag hits $50.

Oh, now I feel like going to play some DC. yippie!

[MegaDrive20XX]

Dreamcast-$20
Garou Mark of the Wolves-$25
Agetec Green Button Stick-$40

Visa....it's everywhere you wanna be :)

[segarocks30]

Dreamcast-$20
Garou Mark of the Wolves-$25
Agetec Green Button Stick-$40

Visa....it's everywhere you wanna be :) Oh darn i got a dreamcast for 25!!!!

[MegaDrive20XX]

Dreamcast-$20
Garou Mark of the Wolves-$25
Agetec Green Button Stick-$40

Visa....it's everywhere you wanna be :) Oh darn i got a dreamcast for 25!!!!

that's still good, it just varies, but the bottom line, Dreamcast is the king.

[Captain Wrong]

I unapologetically choose the DC. While I dig the PS2, I've still clocked more hours on the DC by far and own far more DC games. Plus, I actually like the DC controller and think the Dual Shock is highly over-rated.

Call me a fanboy. Whatever. I still like arcade style games and there were tons more of them on the DC than the PS2. I really don't have anything bad to say about the PS2, but I still love all those sweet NAOMI ports on the DC and I always will.

[syd]

These boards are too DC fanboi'ed.

That being said, I don't see how this is any contest, I can count the number of DC game sI enjoyed on my hands. I have over... well, I dunno.... 50-100 PS2 games that I thoroughly enjoyed. Although I must admit 3-4 of them ARE DC ports (grandia's, rez)

DC:
Controller - HORRENDOUS
Save system - BAD
Noise - BAD

PS2:
System integrity Reliability - BAD
Size/shape of Console - Vertical is cool, but too damn big
2d Game selection - Not Great
OK, I'm just making things up here, I really don't have much bad to say about the PS2.... Neither does the majority of the rest of the known planet according to anything and anyone you check with.

You're actually the first person I've heard of that doesn't like the DC controller. IMO it's one of the best (if not the best) controllers ever made. After using it for an hour your hands fit quite nicely with them. I can't say the same about the PS2 controllers, even though those are still not too bad, except the analogs are something to be desired.

I like a lot more DC games than PS2 at the moment, but thats mainly due to the fact I don't have many PS2 games. The deal breaker IMO though is the fact that DC has a very strong homebrew community, while the PS2's is weak in comparison.

[oesiii]

These boards are too DC fanboi'ed.

Neither does the majority of the rest of the known planet according to anything and anyone you check with.

I'd like to think most everyone around here has good taste in systems and aren't just fanboys :)

And the PS2 being the mainstream Madden & FFantasy console doesn't automaically make it better than some of the hall of fame consoles.

Anyways, a fanboy vote for the DC :evil:

[dreamcaster]

It's simple, the Dreamcast has more games I adore. The PS2 has become a good, and very solid console and it gets quite a fair bit of playtime - but I notice a lot of my PS2 faves are DC ports anyway.

But the DC is where it's at for me.

Dreamcast favourites:
Sega Rally 2
Soul Calibur
Sonic Adventure
Sonic Adventure 2
Metropolis Street Racer
Daytona USA 2001
The House of the Dead 2
Marvel vs. Capcom 2
Crazy Taxi
Tokyo Highway Challenge 2
Dead or Alive 2
Bangai-O
Shenmue
Worms Armageddon
Chu Chu Rocket
The Typing of the Dead

I could go on....

PS2:
Gran Turismo 3 A-spec (grudgingly, as this is my least favourite GT game so far)
Rally Fusion: Race of Champions
Auto Modellista
Fantavision
Guilty Gear X (DC port)
R-Type Final
Space Channel 5 - Part 2 (DC port)
The King of Fighters 2000-2001

Dreamcast Pros/Cons:
PROS
- Visual Memory Units! I love them, even if they are under-utilised.
- Sexy exterior design. The best looking console ever made. Period.
- Four controller ports.
- Shorter load times. I haven't found any DC games with excruciatingly long load times. PS2 on the other hand....
- The controller! A great update of the Saturn 3D Controller. Very comfortable and I love the triggers.
- Overall, a much better library of games.

CONS
- System noise. Both my Dreamcasts have VERY loud fans and the disc drives make horrible noises. Why is the DC the only console like this?!!?
- No DVD playback. I like multi-functionality, and the PS2's ability to play DVD's is a big plus for me.

PS2 Pros/Cons
PROS
- Again, nice system design. I know a lot of people don't like it, but I do. Not as much as the DC though.
- Fantastic controller. Perfect in almost every way except the d-pad. It's too angular and rips up my thumb when playing 2D fighters.
- Backwards compatibility. Big ups to Sony for including this.
- DVD playback. As mentioned earlier, I like multifunctionality.

CONS:
- Only TWO GODDAMN CONTROLLER PORTS.
- Game library not as strong as the DC's.
- Unreliability. Though my own PS2 hasn't died, I know a lot of people's who have. Plus one of my Dual Shock 2's just died for no reason recently.

At the end of the day, the Dreamcast is the clear winner for me.

[NoahsMyBro]

Dreamcast without a doubt for me.

For Dreamcast fans, I have a question, though:

One of the games I've liked immensely on my Dreamcast(s) is Speed Devils. I absolutely never see anybody mention when talking about games they like on the DC, best game lists, etc... Granted, there are simply so many good games on the system it's easy for a less spectacular game to go unmentioned, but I don't recall *ever* seeing anybody mention Speed Devils.

So, do any of you like it? If not, why not?

MODS: I'm thinking this is veering into threadjacking territory - if you'd rather I create a new thread for this just give the word.

[Nez]

DC > PS2 circa 2000-2001

PS2 equal to or slightly great than DC post 2001

My feelings exactly.

[boatofcar]

I voted PS2, for one reason.

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[euronymous]

DC is far better no DRE. Plus like another member mentioned all the top tier games on the ps2 are multi platform or sequels no originality

[Richter]

i use my PS2 as a DC stand, and put one of them burger king crowns on the DC

:D

[Nirvana]

PS2, because Fighting games are my favorite type of game. And the D-Pad was not very friendly for 360's and half circles. It was possible, but it would hurt my finger. I didn't like using the joystick either.

[Nick]

Dreamcast.

and whoever decided the DC controller is bad needs to pick up a Mad Catz Dreampad (I think thats what they are called). :D

[Lothars]

-Console is not reliable at all (Sony may have fixed this, but last I heard, PS2 were dying left and right)


Well I disagree with this fully, I know tons of people that have ps2's and have never had a problem at all,

I think that's a bunch of crap that it keeps being said yeah there so unreliable but it's definitly not true unless you really don't take care of your system.

but I really like the dreamcast it's an amazing system,

easily one of my favorite, but the controller well it's good it's nothing compared to the ps2 controller

I have to agree with this posters saying
DC > PS2 circa 2000-2001

PS2 equal to or slightly great than DC post 2001

The PS2 has great games and not all of them sequels,

so they are equal but I still love the dreamcast so much.

[evil_genius]

This is funny because I was just discussing with a friend why he thinks Dreamcast is better. He swears that Dreamcast has better graphics, I think he is nuts. He swear Resident Evil looks better on his DC.

Anyway, I will vote PS2. Dreamcast is still very cool and I am proud to own it. Dreamcast controllers are terrible. The memory cards make it weigh more, and they are terrible for fighting games like Marvel vs Capcom. I am pretty sure my dog thinks Dreamcast is another animal, maybe because it makes those loud sounds. It sounds like it is in pain.

[robotriot]

One aspect I haven't heard being mentioned yet is that DC VMUs really don't have a lot of space on them to save games to. I've still got my first memory card on the PS2 which is not full yet, and there are about 28 different savegames on it, while I need 3 VMUs for the ~40 DC games that I have. On the other hand, VMUs are cheaper of course nowadays ^^ Still, they are rather annoying because you can't put labels on them, so as long as the console is turned off, you don't know which one you should insert into your main controller for the game you'd like to play next. The customizable "avatar" is a nice feature, but they're not displayed when the system is turned off.

But all in all, I can't really choose a favorite, I like both systems equally and they're currenlty the ones that get the most playtime. Here are the games I like most for both of them:

DC:

Border Down
Cosmic Smash
Giga Wing
Gunbird 2
Mars Matrix
Mr. Driller
Psyvariar 2
Re-Volt
Rez
Shikigami No Shiro 2
Trizeal
Typing of the Dead
Zero Gunner 2

PS2:

Gitaroo Man
Gradius V
Gran Turismo 4
GTA: SA
ICO
Katamari Damacy
Metal Slug 3
Psyvariar: Complete Edition
R-Type Final
Silpheed: The Lost Planet
Super Bust A Move 2
XII Stag

[RCM]

Dreamcast all the way. I've never seen a more exciting system launch than the DC. The entire time DC was in America all the way up to January 31st 2001 and beyond the machine was amazing. It really ruined the debute of PS2, GC, and Xbox for me. This generation started with Dreamcast. DC is home to great platformers, shooters, fighters, racers, etc. And Yu Suzuki is a visionary, he created the 3D sandbox genre that GTA 3 made famous. If Shenmue was ultra violent would DC still be around?

The PS2 library is nothing to laugh at. It has some truly great titles. I wish it shipped with a better controller, or a more refined version of the Dual Shock rather than nearly the exact same thing. Also, i wish people had actually bought PS2 based on its games intially. Unlike the DC, none of its launch games were all that great and it shows now more than ever.

RIP Dreamcast from your old pal RCM

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[classicb]

Dreamcast without a doubt for me.

For Dreamcast fans, I have a question, though:

One of the games I've liked immensely on my Dreamcast(s) is Speed Devils. I absolutely never see anybody mention when talking about games they like on the DC, best game lists, etc... Granted, there are simply so many good games on the system it's easy for a less spectacular game to go unmentioned, but I don't recall *ever* seeing anybody mention Speed Devils.

So, do any of you like it? If not, why not?

MODS: I'm thinking this is veering into threadjacking territory - if you'd rather I create a new thread for this just give the word.

Actually I do believe I did mention it in the Top Dreamcast Games thread. I forget if it was top 20 or 25 but it didn't make the list and I was trying to get it on the list. While I think its a great game for most of us that love it its because it was one of the first games we got for our Dreamcast.

Oh and I voted Dreamcast as well. I will give a nod to the PS2 for being "the" current SHMUP system. If I was into importing I would have voted PS2 since it just has way too many great SHMUPS.

I really don't think its any surprise the DC is loved so much around here due to the type of games that make up the bulk of it. Fans of arcade style gameplay will be fans of this system for a long time to come.

[smokehouse]

I voted for he PS2. The DC is a nifty little system but it stops there. First, let me one of the few to say I don’t like the DC controller, when fully loaded with 2 VMUs, I feel like I holding a 7lb dinner plate. I’ve always loved the Dual Shock controller, in my opinion it’s one of the best controllers ever made for any system (now if I could just wire it up to my SNES and NES…). The Dual Shock is slim, sexy and the button layout is smart and intuitive, I’ve always liked it from day one.

The DC was a failure, sorry to say that but it was. It had a short shelf life (something to the tune of 2 years, that’s horrible for a console) and simply put, crashed and burned, thus the fact that SEGA pulled out of the console market. Funny enough their only wild success was the Genesis. The Master System never took off in the states nor did the Saturn. Most people who wildly support these systems play import titles, something I don’t do. As for the DC, I’m simply not a fan of many of the games listed thus the fact that my DC sits unused for 99% of the time; I probably haven’t fired it up in 2 years.

Funny enough I don’t currently own a PS2, I sold mine a while ago and borrow my friend’s from time to time.

[jdc]

It's a tough one. I chose Dreamcast as the better machine because if you compare the graphics between the two machines, Dreamcast games seem to have a consistently better look to them, regardless of developer. I'm not up on the technical aspects, but I would assume that the Dreamcast hardware has to be better.

Give me the combined library of both machines with the graphic punch of the Dreamcast. Maybe that's why I'm happy with my Xbox.

[Fatalist]

Dreamcast. My favorite system without a doubt, so I'm not being really impartial LOL
About the DC controller I like it, is an evolution of the Nights one for Saturn. The VMU is great.
PS2 has a vast catalogue and very good games too.
robotriot the pic on your signature is nice (or I would say the girls :embarrassed: ), is from a magazine or something?

[Jumpman Jr.]

My true hatred in gaming is consoles that run their games on dics'. However, I think the Dreamcast is the only disc-based console that I actually like (or really like I guess).
Its got a really nice small library of games, most of which are very good. The power of the system amazed me when I first brought mine home on launch day.
One day, I'll be into collecting the entire DC library... not today though.

[YoshiM]

Wow, huge amount for the DC so far.

I chose the Dreamcast. When we picked one up on 9/9/99 and popped Soul Calibur 2 in, it blew everyone in the room away. That title alone proclaimed that "the next generation has arrived". Heck NFL2K made my father in law think we were watching a real football game. When a friend of mine bought the PS2 with Madden 2001 and Tekken Tag, we were pretty much unimpressed as the DC stole the PS2's thunder.

What I like the most about the DC are the arcade titles. A majority of them are truely better than arcade quality and are great for quick pick-up-and-play-I-don't-have-alotta-time gaming.

[kainemaxwell]

Much as I love my PS2 I voted Dreamcast. The system has many gems that most people never played during its short shelf life. Not to mention the games had style and orginially, not cookie-cutter rehashes we see alot on the PS2.

[digitalpress]

Put me down for Dreamcast. I do love my PS2 but there are more classics on the DC that I find myself going back to again and again.

[tritium]

I clock a lot more hours into the DC than any other system.

[anagrama]

You're actually the first person I've heard of that doesn't like the DC controller. IMO it's one of the best (if not the best) controllers ever made.

You can't have heard from that many people about them then - I'm a Sega die-hard and the DC is one of my favourite ever systems, but the controllers are pretty horrible really - much too cramped unless you have tiny Japanese hands, nasty cheap d-pad and spongy buttons. At least the triggers are nice ;)

[walrusmonger]

While I was a huge (as in super huge) Dreamcast support/fanboy when it was out, the system just can't compete with the PS2's game selection.

I thought the DC has great graphics, but even if it was on the market for a full life cycle, it wouldn't have been able to keep up with games like MGS3/God of War/Tekken 5 in the graphics department. Games wise, there are only so many fun arcade games you can port over before they get boring.

Dreamcast killed the PS2 until a couple of years back, and up until 2003 I didn't even like my PS2. My ps2 collection has now grown larger than my Dreamcast one, and I hardly play my DC.

The Dreamcast gave me great memories (first console I supported with my own earned money, as a 15 year old), but sadly, is not the best system ever. The only thing I did to honor the system, was promise myself never to get rid/trade any of my Dreamcast games, while I must have traded away over 100 ps2 and 50 xbox games.

[rpepper9]

I vote PS2, because the DC controllers are horendis, you need to add things to get force feedback, and why does the memory card have to be on the controller. I still play my DC 25% of the time when I am gaming, but since my PS2 has a 120GB HD built in and HDAdvance it is no contest for ease and quickness of changing games and getting into a gaming session. I find that most of my gaming sessions are kinda short, so when I can pick the game off the HD list and get going, really saves me time over finding the game, putting it in, making sure there is no dust on the disk etc. It is just easier, plus the dualshock 2 rocks!

Don't get me wrong, I am not trading my DC in any time soon, it just sits idle longer between playing time :D

[Hep038]

I really like the Dreamcast, but I never liked the controller. My knuckles rub on the VMU slot and I can only play for about a hour. I would say it is a great system, but I give my vote to PS2 because I put a lot more hours on it. I have always thought about picking up a second party controller for my dreamcast, but I just never find one I like. Oh and the D pad on the Dreamcast is a little stiff for me.

[evildead2099]

Dreamcast Pros/Cons:
PROS
...
- Shorter load times. I haven't found any DC games with excruciatingly long load times. PS2 on the other hand....

Try Soldier of Fortune (Although that may be the fault of poor programming more than poor system design).


- The controller! A great update of the Saturn 3D Controller. Very comfortable and I love the triggers.

Generally, I like the DC controller as well. Although I would have liked them better if all DC controllers had rumble paks built into them, my major complaint concerning the controllers is how lousy they are for first person shooters due to the lack of a second analog stick. Fortunately, Sega sold mice and keyboard peripherals to overcome that controller shortcoming...

[evildead2099]

PS2, because Fighting games are my favorite type of game. And the D-Pad was not very friendly for 360's and half circles. It was possible, but it would hurt my finger. I didn't like using the joystick either.

I think you have it backwards: The DC was fighting game heaven (especially if you like 2D fighters by Capcom and SNK). Only the Neo Geo outdoes the DC in terms of fighting game quality and quantity.

[NESVIDIOT]

I voted for DC. Am I a Sega fanboy? Sure, after Nintendo. But honestly if I could get all the games that I own on PS2 on my GC, my DC or even my Xbox, I would gladly trade in all my PS2 games for the same title on another platform. I only own my PS2 for games I want that are Sony exclusive. I don't like the system, the controllers or even the company for that matter. But that's just my opinion. And opinions are like a$$holes, everyones got one. :P

[MrRoboto19XX]

Theres just something about the Dreamcast, it just surprised me so many times with games I didnt expect to be great at all that turned out so amazing.

I remember playing Power Stone at a friends house a few days after launch and I was thinking "Ive never seen a fighting game like this before".

The DC pumped out an amazingly high amount of good games for the amount of time it initially "Lived" in the U.S.

Imagine if every console only had about 2 years to make all their best games, then how would the other consoles stack up?

[CreamSoda]

Dreamcast all the way...

-Better games(Shenmue,Shenmue 2,Jet Grind Radio, a better version of Crazy Taxi, Crazy Taxi 2, Phantasy Star Online, Seaman, Soul Calibur a better version of Marvel vs Capcom 2, a better version of Unreal Tournament, Quake 3 Online, Toy Commander, NFL 2K series, NBA 2K series, Worms: Armageddon, 4x4 Evo online, Skies of Arcadia, MUCH better version of Grandia 2, MSR, Tokyo Extreme Racer 2, Propellor Arena, Sonic Shuffle, Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sega Rally 2, Ikaruga, Virtua Fighter 3, Chu Chu Rocket, THPS1, the best version of THPS2, MDK2, PowerStone, PowerStone 2, Out Trigger, Alien Front Online. Just to name some).

-Better graphics, Yes you probably think I'm crazy but it wasen't until last year that I thought PS2 games began to look an perform better then DC stuff(seriously). GT4, MSG3, AC5, God of War, ect are all probably out of the DC league, but look how long it took?

-Better online features, of course this is based off back when the service was still going strong. As of now I would say both systems online sucks(never did like PS2 online as it felt rushed and just nowhere near as good as the DC's online plan was).

-Better features, Ability to play burned CD's on the spot(great stuff, for emulators/homebrew games but it gets highly taken advantage of), Ability to browse the internet/donwload save files just like that, 4 controller ports(no multi tap here folks), Keyboard and Mouse(is there a PS2 mouse?), VMU(still the coolest memory card ever), The modem is built in so you didn't have to waste money on it.

The controller thing is about even, I don't mind the PS2 or DC controller.

I think the PS2 is an awesome system in itself(and while PS1 might have walked all over Saturn). There is no way the same goes for DC as it is the best system ever. In my mind.

[evildead2099]

is there a PS2 mouse?

I hate to defend the P$2, but the system is designed in such a way that we have no need to worry about buying proprietary P$2 mice; simply plug in any standard USB mouse and you're good to go. Mouse SUPPORT is not so strong, however.

[tritium]

Dreamcast all the way...

-Better games(Shenmue,Shenmue 2,Jet Grind Radio, a better version of Crazy Taxi, Crazy Taxi 2, Phantasy Star Online, Seaman, Soul Calibur a better version of Marvel vs Capcom 2, a better version of Unreal Tournament, Quake 3 Online, Toy Commander, NFL 2K series, NBA 2K series, Worms: Armageddon, 4x4 Evo online, Skies of Arcadia, MUCH better version of Grandia 2, MSR, Tokyo Extreme Racer 2, Propellor Arena, Sonic Shuffle, Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sega Rally 2, Ikaruga, Virtua Fighter 3, Chu Chu Rocket, THPS1, the best version of THPS2, MDK2, PowerStone, PowerStone 2, Out Trigger, Alien Front Online. Just to name some).

-Better graphics, Yes you probably think I'm crazy but it wasen't until last year that I thought PS2 games began to look an perform better then DC stuff(seriously). GT4, MSG3, AC5, God of War, ect are all probably out of the DC league, but look how long it took?

-Better online features, of course this is based off back when the service was still going strong. As of now I would say both systems online sucks(never did like PS2 online as it felt rushed and just nowhere near as good as the DC's online plan was).

-Better features, Ability to play burned CD's on the spot(great stuff, for emulators/homebrew games but it gets highly taken advantage of), Ability to browse the internet/donwload save files just like that, 4 controller ports(no multi tap here folks), Keyboard and Mouse(is there a PS2 mouse?), VMU(still the coolest memory card ever), The modem is built in so you didn't have to waste money on it.

The controller thing is about even, I don't mind the PS2 or DC controller.

I think the PS2 is an awesome system in itself(and while PS1 might have walked all over Saturn). There is no way the same goes for DC as it is the best system ever. In my mind.

I suspect its the anti-aliasing issue. DC has it built in, the PS2 programmers had to come up with to do it in software.


Anti-aliasing fixes jaggies.

[Retsudo]

Good question.
I remember back in April of 2001, I was at EB trying to decide between the PS2 and The Dreamcast.

The Dreamcast was 100 bucks and the PS2 was 300 bucks.I decided to get the PS2 because Im a Tekken player. Money was an issue, but I could manage to get one or the other.

My nephew had a Dreamcast and the only game I played for it was SC1. Great game, but I just didnt like the controller. I never really was a Sega fan anyway.

[RetroYoungen]

I chose the Dreamcast. The library was much smaller, and it didn't last so long on the market, and it didn't have nearly as much power, but the library was packed with more quality titles in my opinion. I have roughly the same number of games for both systems, but what I've found is that there is more I like playing on my Dreamcast than my PS2, and that's what sways me over to that side of the debate.

I love the DC controller, I thought the VMU was a very cool idea (even if it didn't really take off, and the battery life was abismal), and the niche titles really make it stand out in my mind (Jet Set Radio, Chu Chu Rocket, Super Magnetic Neo, Feet of Fury [homebrew]). The PS2 has some great games, but overall I'm more interested in playing anything in my DC library, and I don't get that feeling with my PS2 library.

The PS2 has many things going for it, don't get me wrong, and I might find myself thinking differently in the months or years down the line; the controller is very well created, and the mainstream titles are mainstream for a reason (most times), but it just doesn't stand up to the quality of the DC as a whole, in my opinion.

So my vote goes to the Dreamcast.

[stressboy]

I chose PS2 simply because I love my PS2, which has been running strong since March of 2001 and my Dreamcast died 6 months after I got it in 2000. I only had 3 games for it, but I did like the system a lot. It was the first Sega system I ever owned(I was an Anti-Sega Nintendo fanboy in my youth).

I have been wanting to replace it, and this thread has been convincing me to go to Ebay and do it.

[PS2Hawk]

wat a surprise.... dam fan boys.

[gauntletwarrior]

I like the Dreamcasts' library better and it is a better made system.

[PS2Hawk]

I think PS2 is the greatest console since NES/SNES days, its just that fanboys don't admit it.

I am in love with PS2 so much, it has pretty much every genre convered with awesome games.

if u talk about xbox I only love Ninja Gaiden on that thing.

[Fuku-san]

The Dreamcast is possibly the best console of all time. Being the first 128bit console it was truly revolutionary. Titles such as Soul Calibur, Shenmue and Virtua Tennis were truly ahead of their time and they still hold an unusual amount of replay value.

Additionaly, because Sega weren't trying to make the dreamcast backwards compatable with any previous technology or have the console double as a dvd player, they were able to concentrate on the software which is exactly what makes or breaks a console.

[YoshiM]

I think PS2 is the greatest console since NES/SNES days, its just that fanboys don't admit it.

I am in love with PS2 so much, it has pretty much every genre convered with awesome games.

Says one fanboy to others :P

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Alucard]

Dreamcast for me. I like the controller, and the vmu, that is unique. It's a good system with good games. Nuff said.

[lendelin]

I think PS2 is the greatest console since NES/SNES days, its just that fanboys don't admit it.

I am in love with PS2 so much, it has pretty much every genre convered with awesome games.

Says one fanboy to others :P

Sorry, couldn't resist.

:) Yep, the old "which system is better?" Fortunately or unfortunately, this battle isn't as heated as the SNES vs. Genesis discussions back in the day. :)

The Dreamcast has a great library, it doesn't come close in balance and breadth to the PS2 library, but this is the result of its relative short life time. The offerings of racers and sports games are outstanding, and experimental, goofy titles as well. I even bought the unique "Spirits of Speed."

The DC experienced an incredible renaissance in the last couple of years. The puzzling Q is why. Who doesn't love the system? Overall, the games are still remarkably fresh and play very well. From all the retired systems, I play it the most.

[evildead2099]

I think PS2 is the greatest console since NES/SNES days, its just that fanboys don't admit it.

I am in love with PS2 so much, it has pretty much every genre convered with awesome games.

if u talk about xbox I only love Ninja Gaiden on that thing.

yeah dood P$2 roxorz an anyone who disagrees is a fanboy :P

[goatdan]

...and the niche titles really make it stand out in my mind (Jet Set Radio, Chu Chu Rocket, Super Magnetic Neo, Feet of Fury [homebrew]).

Feet of Fury isn't exactly a homebrew. I'd argue that it is in the same class as games like Trizeal and Chaos Fields. A niche game at the end of the lifestyle. ;) Besides, from what I've been told, FoF has sold more copies than either of the above two named games :D

While of course I voted Dreamcast, I think that a lot of the answers in this thread are sort of delusional. Of course, I don't mind, since I would make a bet I'm the wackiest Dreamcast collector on these boards, but at the same time to say that the Dreamcast's software library blows the PS2 out of the water is a little over the top.

The Dreamcast has a very good software library, and it has a lot of unique and arcade-style games. And the fact that it was the last console that had a high concentration of arcade-style games is the reason it is remaining relatively popular in niche and collectors minds. Newer systems may have some arcade titles like Metal Slug and stuff, but the Dreamcast was HUGE on that stuff.

Of course, beyond arcade-style games, sports titles (which I think most of us would honestly admit have been eclipsed since), some unique racing games and Soul Calibur, the Dreamcast doesn't really have much more than anything else. The library is greatly missing quality third person adventure games, with only two Tomb Raiders and the unreleased in the US Headhunter coming to mind. It doesn't have much in the way of fighting games beyond Soul Calibur and Dead or Alive 2. It is almost completely devoid of first person shooters, and the few that it has are for the most part simple PC ports.

The Dreamcast library has some serious holes. Personally though, I haven't really liked a console FPS since Perfect Dark, and I love arcade games. So the Dreamcast really has that going for it... but the PS2 has a lot going for it too.

I would expect on these boards for the Dreamcast to win because most collectors are people who are a little more "old-school" and like arcade style games. It has experienced a rebirth in the mainstream, if you will, because people have realized that they aren't getting many arcade style games from their newer systems, and it is a genre people tend to like.

I'll still never forget the office Christmas party when I brought in my Xbox and GameCube, expecting everyone would play Halo and Mario Kart, and almost everyone sat around playing Rush 2049 and Chu Chu Rocket on the Dreamcast all day. This was followed by two months of people staying after to play Rush nearly every day, and now almost everyone in the office owns a Dreamcast. The lure of arcade style games that everyone can jump into is strong.

That was probably a bunch of rambling... sorry :embarrassed:

[evildead2099]

[quote=RetroYoungen] [DC] doesn't have much in the way of fighting games beyond Soul Calibur and Dead or Alive 2.

Like I already pointed out, the DC is fighting game heaven if you are into 2D fighters! 3D is a different story, but you can't say that a system lacks fighting games just because there's an absensce of 3D ones. Besides, most of the DC's 3D fighters are still impressive and fun to play; how many Playstation 1 3D fighters are worth playing today besides Bushido Blade 1 & 2 and Tobal?

[goatdan]

[DC] doesn't have much in the way of fighting games beyond Soul Calibur and Dead or Alive 2.

Like I already pointed out, the DC is fighting game heaven if you are into 2D fighters! 3D is a different story, but you can't say that a system lacks fighting games just because there's an absensce of 3D ones. Besides, most of the DC's 3D fighters are still impressive and fun to play; how many Playstation 1 3D fighters are worth playing today besides Bushido Blade 1 & 2 and Tobal?

I apologize. Like I said, I got to rambling, realized I probably wasn't making that much sense and instead of rereading and fixing like I usually do, I just submitted it.

I do not discount the 2D fighters, and I didn't mean too. I meant 3D fighters, which Soul Calibur and DoA2 are the only ones that really hold up. On the PS1 (and we're comparing to the PS2, so that's not really fair) I would also add the Tekken series for sure. On the PS2, there is even more...

[RetroYoungen]

[DC] doesn't have much in the way of fighting games beyond Soul Calibur and Dead or Alive 2.

Like I already pointed out, the DC is fighting game heaven if you are into 2D fighters! 3D is a different story, but you can't say that a system lacks fighting games just because there's an absensce of 3D ones. Besides, most of the DC's 3D fighters are still impressive and fun to play; how many Playstation 1 3D fighters are worth playing today besides Bushido Blade 1 & 2 and Tobal?

I apologize. Like I said, I got to rambling, realized I probably wasn't making that much sense and instead of rereading and fixing like I usually do, I just submitted it.

I do not discount the 2D fighters, and I didn't mean too. I meant 3D fighters, which Soul Calibur and DoA2 are the only ones that really hold up. On the PS1 (and we're comparing to the PS2, so that's not really fair) I would also add the Tekken series for sure. On the PS2, there is even more...

I was just about to add a post making sure that it wasn't credited to me saying that about the fighters. And I was told by the guys who made FoF that they considered it a homebrew, not meaning to argue with you at all, just going by what they told me. It's still a great game, and it's the reason why my best friend always wants me to bring my DC over to her house. LOL

I have to agree, the DC is really lacking in certain areas, FPS and 3D platformers being the most notable. But I think that it's because of those gaps that makes it stand out, a bit like how the Neo Geo does so: it's concentrated in some select genres, and the games that it produced are top-notch (even if many came directly from the arcade... which might explain why they're so well done).

[goatdan]

I was just about to add a post making sure that it wasn't credited to me saying that about the fighters.

No problem :) I didn't want you to get saddled with my stupidly written comment.


And I was told by the guys who made FoF that they considered it a homebrew, not meaning to argue with you at all, just going by what they told me. It's still a great game, and it's the reason why my best friend always wants me to bring my DC over to her house. LOL

Heh... Yeah, I had been saying it was a homebrew for a while, until I got word from a certain company that they considered it a full release. ;) I won't argue with them.


I have to agree, the DC is really lacking in certain areas, FPS and 3D platformers being the most notable. But I think that it's because of those gaps that makes it stand out, a bit like how the Neo Geo does so: it's concentrated in some select genres, and the games that it produced are top-notch (even if many came directly from the arcade... which might explain why they're so well done).

I agree. The DC is so special because Sega was primarily an arcade manufacturer, which meant that a lot of their games would be arcade ports, and a lot of the games they heavily promoted would also be arcade ports. None of the remaining companies have that going for them, and that definitely does make the DC unique.

[NintendoMan]

No contest! DREAMCAST! My vote is biased thought since I don't like PS2, but really though, the Arcade Ports alone to the DC were just great!

[diskoboy]

These boards are too DC fanboi'ed.

That being said, I don't see how this is any contest, I can count the number of DC game sI enjoyed on my hands. I have over... well, I dunno.... 50-100 PS2 games that I thoroughly enjoyed. Although I must admit 3-4 of them ARE DC ports (grandia's, rez)

DC:
Controller - HORRENDOUS
Save system - BAD
Noise - BAD

PS2:
System integrity Reliability - BAD
Size/shape of Console - Vertical is cool, but too damn big
2d Game selection - Not Great
OK, I'm just making things up here, I really don't have much bad to say about the PS2.... Neither does the majority of the rest of the known planet according to anything and anyone you check with.

You're actually the first person I've heard of that doesn't like the DC controller. IMO it's one of the best (if not the best) controllers ever made. After using it for an hour your hands fit quite nicely with them. I can't say the same about the PS2 controllers, even though those are still not too bad, except the analogs are something to be desired.

I like a lot more DC games than PS2 at the moment, but thats mainly due to the fact I don't have many PS2 games. The deal breaker IMO though is the fact that DC has a very strong homebrew community, while the PS2's is weak in comparison. Actually, I heard alot of complaints about the controllers, back in the day. But most of 'em came from kids who had smaller hands. Of course they were gonna go staight to the PS2's dinky little things. The only problems I had with my DC controllers was the weight. Especially with the VMU and rumble pack plugged in. Why didn't Sega just build a vibrating motor into the controllers?

Anyway, I vote Dreamcast. Jet Set Radio.

'Nuff said.

[Mianrtcv]

I choose my dreamcast... no wait. That was a dream. PS2, seriously. No contest. Reality check. Stop the hate, it's silly. Dreamcast was not Genesis! Genesis was awesome. Saturn, brief. Dreamcast... no support, limited lifespan, too little, too late. Fanboys need to get a grip. Not saying every PS2 thing rocks, but head to head be real. PS2 has a deep library of titles that historically stand up to many other consoles. I'm being gamer oriented in my thinking. They bring too much to gaming to be discarded as just a mega corporation (no doubt they are, but they produce and have others produce for them). Sega produced 32x, Saturn and CD... game libraries all too limited that received little support (Nintendo, pay attention to that part). Yes games I enjoy were on Sega or even Sega produced. However PS2 just has too many to compare. Stop the big company hate... Yes, we all get it. EA is evil, Sony is evil. Just admit what they have to offer is quite a lot. Veteran gamer or new alike, there are too many games attached the PS2 to ignore.

I wouldn't give up my Dreamcast, but PS2 takes priority.

All that being said, why don't I go out and buy God of War for each system and do a comparison.... oh, that's right. Nevermind.

[tuxedojoe]

I choose my dreamcast... no wait. That was a dream. PS2, seriously. No contest. Reality check. Stop the hate, it's silly. Dreamcast was not Genesis! Genesis was awesome. Saturn, brief. Dreamcast... no support, limited lifespan, too little, too late. Fanboys need to get a grip. Not saying every PS2 thing rocks, but head to head be real. PS2 has a deep library of titles that historically stand up to many other consoles. I'm being gamer oriented in my thinking. They bring too much to gaming to be discarded as just a mega corporation (no doubt they are, but they produce and have others produce for them). Sega produced 32x, Saturn and CD... game libraries all too limited that received little support (Nintendo, pay attention to that part). Yes games I enjoy were on Sega or even Sega produced. However PS2 just has too many to compare. Stop the big company hate... Yes, we all get it. EA is evil, Sony is evil. Just admit what they have to offer is quite a lot. Veteran gamer or new alike, there are too many games attached the PS2 to ignore.

Quality > Quantity

Now, I know that there are quality titles on the PS2 (though one would be hard pressed to find a console that didn't have at least a few gems), but the Dreamcast just has a totally different feel. To immerse oneself in Dreamcast 'culture' is truly something special. The physical console, the controller, the games... they all bring about an experience not capable anywhere else. I am probably be very one-sided in my words, but I think the Dreamcast is absolutely bewitching