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MattyXB
08-02-2005, 07:55 PM
What do you like more. Tool Assisted or Real Console Speedruns / Time Attacks.

Tool Assisted mean:
Use Emulator, slow down Emulator, use Frame Advance, use Save States and Load States & re-record still the Runs looks like you want. So you will see later no big errors or useless deads anymore. Just the pure great runs what is near impossible for normal humans.
Example site for Tool Assisted Runs:
NES Videos (http://bisqwit.iki.fi/nesvideos/)

Real Console means:
Play a game on a real console and record it on tape through a VCR. So you will see every error, what the one has done in this run. Sometimes they die useless or go wrong ways. But these runs real done by humans without tools.
Example site for Real Console Runs:
Speed Demos Archive (http://speeddemosarchive.com/news.html)

I watch both versions, but like more Tool Assisted Runs. Because they looks much better for the eyes without these big errors which you can find sometimes in Real console runs. But I have too much respect for these, who make real console runs. When I see these I can feel how hard it is to make these runs. Must be hard to learn everything till you know what you must do.

Edit: Strange, I was sure, that I add a 4th option, but now this one is gone. I have first only 2 options, but as I submit it a message tell me it will maybe be better to add some more. So I add 2 options, but only one appear now. The last one was:
I don't watch Speedruns

Raedon
08-02-2005, 08:06 PM
being just a horrible action gamer, I like them both. The best ones are the ones where a major bug is used like the mario 64 back butt stair skip to get threw locked doors.

Sylentwulf
08-02-2005, 08:12 PM
No question at all for me. Real speed runs are much better. As long as it's plainly stated that it was done via emulator and savestates though, it's GREAT FUN to watch the emulator ones too. Just not that impressive.

Vectorman0
08-02-2005, 08:30 PM
The only speed runs that I really have respect for, are those that are straight through, no segments. If you do a 2 hour run in 30 parts, I don't consider it nearly as special. It takes out the factor of thinking on the fly, and improvising. But doing OoT for 6 hours straight is amazing.

Dr. Morbis
08-03-2005, 01:02 AM
I appreciate real console runs a lot more. However, I do enjoy some of the crazier tool-assisted runs for their wow factor.

-hellvin-
08-03-2005, 01:27 AM
I enjoy watching speed runs a lot and don't mind what format it's in.

Roth
08-03-2005, 02:23 AM
Real console speed runs for sure. I was actually working on a speed run of Ninja GaiDen for awhile. After so long I noticed that it was ruining the game for me. I just can't pull off a speed run like I would like to, and start dying :P I have much respect for the console/no-cheat speed runners out there.

Tool-assisted is ... well, okay. I don't mind seeing some crazy stuff, but all in all, I know that it wasn't performed in the way I would play it. I mean, you can sit there and watch a friend go through a game, right? I couldn't sit there and watch someone re-doing take after take. Thinking of it in that way has kind of shyed me from tool-assisted.

DDCecil
08-03-2005, 02:33 AM
I don't really care for the tool-assisted runs, but I love real ones - errors and all. it's too bad I lost the will to keep going at my Ninja Gaiden II time (13:05).

Lothars
08-03-2005, 05:12 AM
definitly Real Console Speed Rushes mostly because they have to be really good to be able to do it and it's not the easiest thing to do,

Espeically with some games, I mean it's cool kind of crazy,

but it's definitly something to respect people for.

But the other one is okay to it's pretty cool to watch them, especially the super mario 3 one that was awesome to watch lol.

tuxedojoe
08-03-2005, 12:57 PM
I have respect for both real speed runs and tool assisted ones.

On the real speed run side, as others have said before, one must master the many elements of a certain game (such as learning how to exploit different secrets and short cuts) in effort to speed through it as fast as possible.

As for tool assisted runs, I look at the people creating them as artists rather than video gamers. I mean, they spend hours (and days, sometimes months, I suppose) meticulously making their run as pleasing to the eye as possible. I think that people should have just as much respect for their work.