Jaguar vs 3DO

[kainemaxwell]

Jaguar vs 3DO anyone?

[oesiii]

I was going to go with the 3DO because of the large library of games including some classics like Road Rash and StarControl II. But then I thought about some of my favorite Jag games that I also have for the 3DO and the Jag versions are much better.

I'm talking about Doom, Dragon's Lair, and Wolf3D. And nothing on the 3DO compares to Tempest 2000.

[AlexKidd]

I'll also be going for the Jag due to Tempest 2000.

[ghostangelofcky]

I'm gonna say 3DO for the following reasons,

Killing Time (One of my all time fav's)
Wing Commander III (better than the PS ver.)
AD&D Slayer
Samurai Showdown (for all of us poor people who can't afford the Geo

And yes games like Gex, Road Rash, PO'ed, Spacehulk, all these came out on the PS and SAT, but where did they come out on first?

And yes, DOOM on the the 3DO sux we all know this LOL

[Jestr]

Ummm...
Gotta go 3DO.
Road Rash was amazing the first time I saw it. I had never played anything that looked that good and moved that fast. The CD player featured a psychedelic display when you popped in a music disc. Dragon's Lair was beautiful, as was Strahl. I own both and I have to go with the 3DO hands down.

[Jagasian]

The only person that could love the Jag is a die-hard Atari fan. The 3DO, however, has a few gems: Star Control 2 is the best version of that game on any system, The Horde is a great comical game, Return Fire has great multiplayer, and Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo is a great fighting game.

[K3V]

Ummm...
Gotta go 3DO.
Road Rash was amazing the first time I saw it. I had never played anything that looked that good and moved that fast. The CD player featured a psychedelic display when you popped in a music disc. Dragon's Lair was beautiful, as was Strahl. I own both and I have to go with the 3DO hands down.

The JagCD's built-in VLM beats the 3DO's CD display, IMO. Jag for me. :D

[LiquidPolicenaut]

Although I did enjoy Wolfenstein and Doom on the Jag, I have to easily go with the 3DO. Not only for the games listed in the previous posts but also underrated gems like The Horde, Twisted, Snowjob, Night Trap (I know, I know it was on the Sega CD but this is the best version of it) and, above all else, it had the first console version of Policenauts :)

[Slimedog]

Even if the only game published on the 3DO was Star Control 2, I would still say 3DO. Tempest 2k is great and AvP is really spiffy, but honestly Star Control 2 made me a into a game collector. That type of impact cannot be understated.

That being said, there are plenty of other great games for the 3DO, most of which have been mentioned above.

[Famidrive-16]

The Jag's the only one of the two I've got.

I'd probably go with the 3DO if I had both though, since it has a larger library.

[Zap!]

Samurai Showdown (for all of us poor people who can't afford the Geo

Umm, the 3DO was more money ($600 vs. $699) than the Neo-Geo. :)

[ae.tc]

-_- Too easy... Jag of course,..

Much nicer box!

[CRV]

Umm, the 3DO was more money ($600 vs. $699) than the Neo-Geo. :)

Well, it eventually came down in price.

[smokehouse]

I had to go with the 3DO although I really don’t like either one very much. I do play the 3DO for Samurai Showdown and Street fighter II (both are amazing titles) and I’ll occasionally play Tempest 2000 (simply put, an amazing title) as well. Other than that most of that games to be found on both the systems are pure crap. A-vs-P on the Jag? PURE CRAP! I keep reading about how awesome this game is just to finally buy a copy and fins out it sucks! The game looks so bad it’s almost unplayable. To me both systems were complete failures but the Jaguar was a stillborn.

[pookninja]

well,i have both systems(ive had the jag since it first came out)and while like both systems,i gotta go with the 3do.the 3do had a better game selection then jaguar.plus,i think that most games on the 3do are more fun then most games on the jag.other then alien vs predator,raiden,pinball fantasies(dont laugh),and a few other games on the jag,nothing else was very good.

[njiska]

3DO's my baby. I love the horribly underrated system. It feratured tons of enjoyable games, many of which have already been stated. By the way Wolf 3d on the jag Isn't nearly as good as Wolfenstien 3DO IMO. Sure the 3DO had a lot of FMV games, but damn in nthey were good FMV games.

D it's was short, but damn if it ain't sweet. The American Laser Games light gun games were all really fun, cheesy as hell and poorly synced, but fun none the lest. Alone in the Dark and Alone in the Dark 2 were equally as good as there PSX Cousins and so was the 3DO verision of Road & Track presents: The Need for Speed.

The 3DO also featured the Classic Battle Chess, Road Rash (infiently better then the Sega CD version) and MYST.

The 3DO was a good system, it just came out at the wrong time, for the wrong price.

[digitalpress]

I love my 3DO.

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33058

[Jumpman Jr.]

I went with Jaguar, purely because its a cart-based console, and I'd take carts over discs any day.
The 3D0 is a nice little console though... however its never been quite my thing.

[Kid Ice]

I do play the 3DO for Samurai Showdown and Street fighter II (both are amazing titles) and I’ll occasionally play Tempest 2000 (simply put, an amazing title) as well. Other than that most of that games to be found on both the systems are pure crap.

Really? And just how many 3DO games have you played? Every played Blade Force? Need for Speed? Captain Quazar? Battlesport? Road Rash? Star Control 2? Escape from Monster Manor? Cannon Fodder? Slam n Jam? Return Fire?

[fishsandwich]

Seriously... how can you compare the 3DO library over that of the Jaguar? The Jaguar does have a couple of great games, several good ones, and a whole bunch of shit. The 3DO has it's fair share of shit as well, but it easily has more truly good and great games than the Jaguar.

I do love that big-ass Jaguar controller, though. Beats the crap out of the lame 3DO pad any day.

:D

[smokehouse]

Man Ice, no need to be snooty. Sure I have, as a matter of fact I own Need for Speed, Road Rash, and Escape from Monster Manor. I’ve played many 3DO titles but, I really don’t like them, they’re ok but not worth owning the system for.

[Kid Ice]

Man Ice, no need to be snooty. Sure I have, as a matter of fact I own Need for Speed, Road Rash, and Escape from Monster Manor. I’ve played many 3DO titles but, I really don’t like them, they’re ok but not worth owning the system for.

That's why I was snooty...they magically went from "pure crap" to "ok". ;)

[Slimedog]

Man Ice, no need to be snooty. Sure I have, as a matter of fact I own Need for Speed, Road Rash, and Escape from Monster Manor. I’ve played many 3DO titles but, I really don’t like them, they’re ok but not worth owning the system for.

That's why I was snooty...they magically went from "pure crap" to "ok". ;)

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. I'm a pretty diehard 3DO fan and I didn't like all the games you listed. Monster Manor was a vanilla FPS with only 1 weapon. And with the god awful "tread carefully" music its really hard to give high marks to it. Blade Force made a nice technical showcase for the 3D abilities of the system, but the game really wasn't much fun. For a shooter, it didn't keep up sustained action and there was too much flying around the huge map. But thats just what I thought. The others you mentioned were really fun.

[le geek]

I went with the 3DO. I had a Jag back when it came out and I love Tempest 2000. And I still dig Iron Soldier and Rayman among others. But man some of the other games on it really bite, or are Amiga ports I already owned... It didn't help that Doom crashed on my Jag :(

The 3DO on the other hand, I played as a friend of mine won one at a trade show. Road Rash, Need for Speed and Return Fire were great, and I still really dig Zhadnost the Peoples Party. I later bought it from him with games for $50...

But let's be honest both systems have some real crap games for them. As well as some fun titles that are dated by early 3D issues (framerate mainly). But I like them both.

Cheers,
Ben

[goatdan]

I don't think that only a die hard Atari fan would vote for the Jag. When the Jag did 2D, it wasn't too bad. It also had some decent 3D games too. I would say that all of the following are decent Jaggy games:

Alien Vs. Predator
Attack of the Mutant Penguins
BattleMorph
BattleSpere
Brutal Sports Football
Cybermorph
DOOM
Flip Out
Highlander
Hover Strike: Unconquered Lands
Iron Soldier
Iron Soldier 2
NBA Jam TE
Pinball Fantasies
Power Drive Rally
Protector
Protector SE
Raiden
Rayman
Ruiner Pinball
Super Burnout
Tempest 2000
Ultra Vortek
Val d'Isre Skiing and Snowboarding
Vid Grid
Zero 5
Zool 2
Zoop

As a whole system, I MUCH prefer the Jag's selection of games to the 3DO. The 3DO does have some games I really do like -- the Incredible Machine and Lost Eden are two of my favorite titles ever -- but I just found it doesn't have the selection of stuff that the Jaguar did.

Most people don't give the Jaguar a chance because it doesn't ook as improved as Atari promised it would... but if you don't look at it from that light, I think it was an underrated system that just took WAY too long to build a decent library.

The controller remains as my favorite controller to date, followed closely by the Dreamcast and GameCube.

[Kid Ice]

Man Ice, no need to be snooty. Sure I have, as a matter of fact I own Need for Speed, Road Rash, and Escape from Monster Manor. I’ve played many 3DO titles but, I really don’t like them, they’re ok but not worth owning the system for.

That's why I was snooty...they magically went from "pure crap" to "ok". ;)

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. I'm a pretty diehard 3DO fan and I didn't like all the games you listed. Monster Manor was a vanilla FPS with only 1 weapon. And with the god awful "tread carefully" music its really hard to give high marks to it. Blade Force made a nice technical showcase for the 3D abilities of the system, but the game really wasn't much fun. For a shooter, it didn't keep up sustained action and there was too much flying around the huge map. But thats just what I thought. The others you mentioned were really fun.

Again..."vanilla" isn't "pure crap", right? "Really wasn't much fun" isn't "pure crap", right? And "really fun" isn't "pure crap", right?

I just wanted to dial down the "pure crap" thing. Yep, Monster Manor and Blade Force aren't among the greatest games ever (I'm 100% in agreement with your comments), but they're far from the "pure crap" rating that so many that have never played (or hardly played) the 3DO would unfairly assign. Not that smokehouse is one of those people, which is why I'm not surprised that it turns out those games are actually "ok".

Call them average, slow, ugly, ok, underpowered, obsolete, ancient, mediocrem whatever, but it seems to me there are far more folks calling the 3DO games pure crap than have actually played them.

[smokehouse]

To be honest with you I was mainly referring to Jaguar titles. Of all the titles I’ve played, most are, pure crap. Many 3DO titles seem to be uninspired or cookie cutter (at least in the states anyway). There are the gaming nuggets o’ gold amongst the crap though (Way of the Warrior is a title that I really enjoy for some reason, call me crazy). Jag titles are normally bad (yep, even A-vs-P) so I lump them into the “pure crap” category. Fight for life? Good Lord is that title bad! Unfortunately many (if not most) other Jag titles fall into the same category. 3DO titles titles on the other hand are often mediocre. I guess I should have gone into more description the first time. Both are fine systems (for collecting) and have their ups and downs, in the case for the Jag it’s more downs than ups.


More than likely I was overly harsh with my first assessment……ok, this is an admission of guilt, you got me.

[Zap!]

What's the next poll: "Fairchild Channel F vs. RCA Studio II"? Honestly, the choice is like asking "How would you rather die, get shot in the face, or get run over by a truck?" 8-) Seriously, "SMS vs. NES" or "Genesis vs. SNES" this poll isn't. :)

[gauntletwarrior]

Definitley 3DO. I loved that system! :)

[Archenemy]

BattleMorph
Highlander
Hover Strike: Unconquered Lands
Iron Soldier 2
Vid Grid

Call me annoyance, but aren't those Jaguar CD titles?

Yes I know it might be only a detail, but there's is a HUGE difference between the regular cart-based Jaguar and the CDROM Jaguar CD Add On. Some Cart games are way better than any Jag CD...

Well misunderstandings appart, I would add to that list Jag CD Primal Rage and perhaps Jag Bubsy, but not many more.

I do own a Jag/Jag CD bundle but no 3DO, so I cannot speak fairly about the latter, but for what I had played in the Jag... It sucks. REALLY. And the controllers are bound to be the worst mistake in the videogames industries EVER. The Pro Controller is just a little better, but it sucks anyway.

Perhaps I will get a 3DO laaaaaaaaaaaaaater. And just for collecting porpouses at that, neither the 3DO nor the CD-i do have much of an appeal to me anyway :hmm:

[goatdan]

Call me annoyance, but aren't those Jaguar CD titles?

Hello annoyance,

Just kidding ;)

Those games are Jaguar CD titles, but I think that you could call them basically the same thing. On the other hand, I probably wouldn't count 32X games or Sega CD games with the Genesis, so I guess it is a good point.

Instead, I'll put it this way -- the Jaguar had the Jaguar CD, and it had some great games too, and it is the only way you'll get to play them :)

I'll also add I-War and the original Hover Strike to my original list...


Well misunderstandings appart, I would add to that list Jag CD Primal Rage and perhaps Jag Bubsy, but not many more.

Oh barf. Have you ever played Jag Bubsy? Perhaps the worst Bubsy ever, even eclipsing the horrid Bubsy 3D.


...but for what I had played in the Jag... It sucks. REALLY.

I really don't think so, but I think you have to take it in context of what it was, and not what it was hyped to be. I think taken by itself, the Jag really has some jewels.


And the controllers are bound to be the worst mistake in the videogames industries EVER. The Pro Controller is just a little better, but it sucks anyway.

I don't get how anyone can say this. The contoller paved the way for the Saturn 3D controller, the N64 controller and all three of te current system controllers. The buttons are laid out in a similar way. The size is very similar too. The only difference was the Jag had the numerical pad with it. But it worked for some of the games that utilized it -- Iron Soldier comes to mind -- and I kind of wish that someone was ballsy enough to try it again.

But I really have never understood the feeling that the controllers are horrible. Compared to anything that came before it, I feel it is light years ahead of schedule.

[Archenemy]

So playing AvP or DOOM didn't give you headaches? Or that horrid "racing" game I believed erased from my memory, or the awful Bruce Lee fighting game are no reasons to believe it sucks? Probably. I also played some of the finest games of the JAg like Penguins and Brutal Sports, even once Atarui Karts. But a handsome of gems won't make you rich, nor a bunch of midsized diamonds are a fortune... I still believe the Jag sucks, but still had to collect it :-D

As for the Controller. Need any reasons?
The HORRIBLE control pad. The almost always useless numerical Buttons. The hard to push regular buttons (even on new controllers).

I believe that comparing this behemoth to the 3D(or Multi) Controller is like comparing a Buick with a 5-something BMW. Yes, they look alike (they are cars and do have 4 wheels, don't they? :hmm: ) are about the same size but... well, just drive both and tell me what you think afterwards...

And... given the choice, IN THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT, I would stick with my SNES controller. How do I think this way? Easy: I had both systems when they came out, so I don't buy your idea that the Jag was "light years" beyond what there existed IN THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT.

But as someone just said, eveyone is entitled to an oppinion and even some respect ;)

[goatdan]

So playing AvP or DOOM didn't give you headaches? Or that horrid "racing" game I believed erased from my memory, or the awful Bruce Lee fighting game are no reasons to believe it sucks? Probably. I also played some of the finest games of the JAg like Penguins and Brutal Sports, even once Atarui Karts. But a handsome of gems won't make you rich, nor a bunch of midsized diamonds are a fortune... I still believe the Jag sucks, but still had to collect it :-D

I don't undestand how DOOM or AvP gave you headaches, unless it is just a thing that happens to you with all FPS games. Both of those games were done exceptionally well on the Jag, in my opinion.

You can't hold up Checkered Flag as an example of an average Jaguar game. Otherwise, I could say that the majority of the software for the Xbox sucks because of Drake and the 99 Dragons. It doesn't.

Bruce Lee -- a port of the 16 bit game without any graphical updates -- is another unfair example to use.

I'd say that games that are decently playable on the Jaguar is about 70% of it's library. There are some real stinkers (White Men Can't Jump is probably forever going to be my least favorite game), but a lot of the games are in the middle somewhere, and really -- that's how any console is.


As for the Controller. Need any reasons?
The HORRIBLE control pad. The almost always useless numerical Buttons. The hard to push regular buttons (even on new controllers).

Ooooooh. Fair enough. It sounds like you've got one of the later revisions of the controller when Atari no longer really gave a damn. Those ones were horrid. The first series of controllers that were bundled with the system were of a much higher quality, and are much nicer.


And... given the choice, IN THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT, I would stick with my SNES controller. How do I think this way? Easy: I had both systems when they came out, so I don't buy your idea that the Jag was "light years" beyond what there existed IN THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT.

All that I'm saying is that the vast majority of the Jaguar controller's features -- from the controller size to the layout and placement of the buttons -- was copied on nearly every controller that came after that system, save the Playstation and original Saturn controllers.

The Jaguar controller was ridiculed in the press for being too big with too many buttons, but after it almost everything else was about the same size with more buttons if you discount the numerical pad. I really feel the Jaguar controller gets a bad rap because of that -- and it is also the reason I feel it was ahead of its time.

And maybe it is just me, but since I started playing the Jaguar, N64, Xbox and GameCube, I have little want to use the old school controllers for the NES or SNES. I find them MUCH more uncomfortable, and I miss the ergonomics that the Jaguar controller introduced.

...and obviously, I'm not attempting to change your opinion here, but just laying out mine. The Jaguar controller thing is something that I've never really understood, and I guess I still don't...

[NoahsMyBro]

Well, regarding the Jag controller:

When the Jag was new I hadn't really been into videogames for years. My roommate's younger brother came over with his brand-new Jag, very excited and anxious to show off Syndicate. I didn't play, but saw the controller and thought it looked terrible - big, clumsy, and ugly. I was preoccupied with my PC and Usenet (alt.tv.babylon-5 IIRC) and didn't ever stop to actually play anything.

Flash forward a short time, to when Tiger and Kaybee were dumping the Jag at firesale prices - Seeing a chance to get an arcade-perfect Defender system for the total of about $70, I ordered the system from Tiger and bought D2k from somebody/somewhere. Hooked on the phenomenal prices, I went on to, over the next year or two, acquire nearly every single game made for the Jag (short only IS2 cart, BS-Gold, and some of the not-games sold over the last couple of years by places like B&C).

The point of the story - Once I'd actually sat down and played the games, I found the controller was actually extraordinarily comfortable and worked well for me. I still think it's very ugly to look at, but I love the way it feels.

I'm guessing the folks that don't like the controller DO like fighting games, and those that do like the controller don't really care about fighting games. It seems to me that I frequently find when I have different opinions about controllers with someone, they are a fighting game fan, while I'm not.

[Dangerboy]

I couldn't vote, there was no "Slit my wrists" option.

Between the two, 3do all the way.

What little hope I had fo rcollecting Jaguar died the day animallyson gave me one for free and I tracked down Kasumi Ninja.

The one game I truly wanted to play for that system turned out to be worse than Way of the Warrior, and that's speaking *volumes*.

Club Drive made me so physically sick to my stomach that I actually got a migraine trying to play it.

Cybermorph? Please...

Meanwhile, I choose the system that has the destroyed Samurai Shodown, the porn music edition of Street Fighter II, and what can only be considered THE WORST FREAKING GAME CASES OF ALL TIME.

Seriously? You think if they had just gone with straight jewel cases instead of those plastic secret compartment spring-loaded divingboard snap case monstrosities they could have put maybe a LITTLE more money into game development?

3DUh-oh and the Draguar: The two very systems that almost made me abandon gaming forever.

Thankfully the Turbo Grafx pulled me through. =)

Jason

[Fuku-san]

3DO simply because of
Demolition Man
Road Rash
NFS
SFII
Fifa

And how could one forget to mention Blonde Justice
http://members.aol.com/games3do/bj.jpg

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=15276

[sharp]

By far the good old jag, ok the library of great games is small but the 3DO never had games like AvP, Temepest 2000, Iron Soldier, Attack of the Mutant Penguins to get up a few. I owned both systems and I really prefer my Jaguar.

The people make crap about the pads, but for games like Doom it was a great system. In fact the Jaguar pad is the finest in my opinion to play FPS.

Ok the 3DO had some decent games, but it fell short with the Jaguar. Comined with the fact tha the Jag was cart based I prefer that one. Sadly there is no cart version of Primal Rage for the Jaguar as I would like to compare that game with my 3DO version.

[PDorr3]

after hearing all the praise about icebreaker on 3do I went ahead and bought a complete copy on ebay for $15 shipped. I might have overpaid, but complete copies dont seem to frequent much there.

Cant wait to try it out :)

[two_scoop_steve]

All I got to say is Tempest 2000.

[Yago]

I am going with the Jag also. I liked the games. Especially Atari Karts, Dragon's Lair, AVP, Brutal Sports Football, Tempest 2000. And Multi player NBA with 4 people is a lot of fun! You could play 8 people if you wanted with 2 team taps. I really liked the pads. They fit my hands well. I tad big, yes, but better fitting than the 3DO. Sure, the Jag was hyped more than the 3DO. But I liked everything about it, the pacakageing, the design, the look, the feel, everything. A very fun system.

[emumuumuucowgomoo]

As for the Controller. Need any reasons?
The HORRIBLE control pad. The almost always useless numerical Buttons. The hard to push regular buttons (even on new controllers).

Ooooooh. Fair enough. It sounds like you've got one of the later revisions of the controller when Atari no longer really gave a damn. Those ones were horrid. The first series of controllers that were bundled with the system were of a much higher quality, and are much nicer.


And... given the choice, IN THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT, I would stick with my SNES controller. How do I think this way? Easy: I had both systems when they came out, so I don't buy your idea that the Jag was "light years" beyond what there existed IN THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT.

All that I'm saying is that the vast majority of the Jaguar controller's features -- from the controller size to the layout and placement of the buttons -- was copied on nearly every controller that came after that system, save the Playstation and original Saturn controllers.

The Jaguar controller was ridiculed in the press for being too big with too many buttons, but after it almost everything else was about the same size with more buttons if you discount the numerical pad. I really feel the Jaguar controller gets a bad rap because of that -- and it is also the reason I feel it was ahead of its time.

What.

In blazes.

Are you talking about.

Dan.

"Oh yeah, Scooby Doo was a frighteningly inventive series. The majority of themes covered within it - from mysteries to light-hearted comedy to the dialogue - were copied by nearly every movie and TV show since, save for The Breakfast Club and Gigli. Also, that Romeo & Juliet, starring Leonardo DiCaprio, pretty much invented the love movie".


http://www.sega-16.com/Sega%20Peripherals/Genesis-original-pad.gif (1989)

http://www.ntrautanen.fi/computers/other/images/jaguar_controller.jpg (1993)


And, for comparision...

http://www.hf.faa.gov/Webtraining/NonVisDisplays/Non_vis%20images/n64-controller.jpg (1996)

http://www.emulationgalaxy.co.yu/images/systems/XBOX_controller.jpg (2001)



So far ahead of its time that it was never done again! (unless you count that MadCatz controller with a keyboard on it).

Certainly nothing at all like...
http://www.ntrautanen.fi/computers/other/images/mattel_intellivision.jpg (1980)

or..

http://darkwatcher.psxfanatics.com/console/controllers/contcoleco.jpg (1982)


Don't mean to be too harsh or anything. You're a nice guy, just gotta step in and call it when I sense BS.


The way I'd describe it is that In the Beginning, there were mostly joysticks. These weren't any good and those who like them operate on the wrong side of the law. Then Nintendo popularized the joy"pad". It was the first controller that could be held and operated in one "body instance" - that is to say, "holding" a 2600 Joystick is a seperate process from "operating" it. As you hold the NES controller, your thumbs are in optimum position to molest the sweet sweet buttons and contors.

The Sega Master System and Turbo Graphix-16 blatantly copied this. And all was good.

Then the Sega Genesis came out. It had AN EXTRA BUTTON! And wings. Actually, it didn't have an extra button, it just moved the "select" button over and called it "C". And the wings weren't really that aerodynamic. But still, things were good.

The SNES came along, and introduced gamers to the "top shelf" buttons, also commonly known as "trigger" buttons. This gave our index fingers something to do when we weren't playing Track & Field. Namely, work the screen left and right in the hit Super Mario World, and add an extra "layer" of steering for most driving games. It was a more comfortable fit than the original NES rectangle thanks to the breas-- er, the round bits on either side. Yet it unfortunately had no wings.

Then a couple consoles came out that nobody remembers and are only an illiusion. :P

The Saturn took the one major idea fom the SNES - that as you add buttons, you increase the options for game designers, and all is good. Namely, they added two terrible cheap-feeling solinoid switches on the top, and gamers used these as "triggers" until they broke, then they used them as "bartering material" (with an estimated street value of either three fishworms, five beer labels, or a mostly-empty Bic lighter).

The PSX fused the Sega and Nintendo controllers into one sleek sleek sexy mama machine, with more buttons than any console to date (buttons being defined as action switches not part of a keypad that gamers can actually press in the heat of action). It had the basic layout of the SNES (the good ol' + X), but gave gamers the one crucial feature Sega mastered: WINGS.

After that every controller has either been an homage to the PSX / SNES line (DC, X-Box, Virtual Boy) or a blatently bold attempt to scream "WE ARE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM SONY!!!! HERE TRY THIS BUTTON CONFIGURATION! ALSO PS WE INVENTED A NEW WHEEL IN THE PROCESS" (N64, GameCube).


I suppose it's quite easy to tell where my subjective tastes are - though it befuddles me when people go on for pages about how GameCube is awesome and Nintendo is Arigato Gazaimas (sic) and the controller fits so snugly in one's hand (which, for the most part, it does - though the button layout means there's only three "good" buttons (A, L, and R), and a couple of dingleberries (B and the R1 / Z button) thrown in), then they turn around and bash the X-Box controllers, which are nothing if not snug and comfortable (though suffering from severe Lack of Button Syndrome).




And maybe it is just me, but since I started playing the Jaguar, N64, Xbox and GameCube, I have little want to use the old school controllers for the NES or SNES. I find them MUCH more uncomfortable, and I miss the ergonomics that the Jaguar controller introduced.

...and obviously, I'm not attempting to change your opinion here, but just laying out mine. The Jaguar controller thing is something that I've never really understood, and I guess I still don't...


After playing SNES for a couple years solid, back in 1994-95, when I went back to the NES the first thing I noticed was how UNCOMFORTABLE those controllers were. The edges dig into one's flesh, and the D-pad feels... sorta... inconsequential, at best.

Then I bought a few "dogbones" and never looked back.


However, after reading your post, I accidently stopped liking the NES > SNES > PSX line of controllers and have now hard-wired 5200 joysticks into everything I own, save my computer, which is connected to an Odyssey^2 keyboard.

Damn you! :P

[ROBOTNIK666]

I prefer Jaguar for two reasons: One, it was made by Atari, and two, it has Tempest 2000, the best game the year of 1994 had to offer.

[Reid]

I love Atari dearly, but I love Panasonic and the 3DO company.

Also, I think the 3DO is special because they only made that one console, no prequals or sequals of it.