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sabre2922
08-10-2005, 04:53 AM
I know there are many Revolution threads but I thought this article from NEXTGENERATION was the best yet.

Nintendo Revolution
by Owain Bennallack


Tuesday, 02 August 2005
The next generation console war is a three-way battle between Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo. But the fact that Nintendo is always listed last on that roll call of contenders gives a clue as to the pundit's view of things.
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The battle is framed as a clash between the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. For all its heritage, Nintendo is squeezed out of the ring.

Is this view correct? Nintendo's consoles are batting 0/2 to PlayStation, and it's not seen as having the wallet - or the ambition - of its rivals. Where Sony and Microsoft are apparently gunning for a prize beyond simply a successful games console, Nintendo executives stress it is going back to basics with Revolution: a nicely-designed, sufficiently powerful games console that's affordable and plays great games. The more ambitious its rivals get, the more strident that strategy must become - through choice or necessity.

Nintendo defenders (and almost everyone who grew up with its games or who works in game journalism or development loves the company) point to Nintendo's top-quality game franchises. Have Sony and Microsoft given us even a fraction of that innovation? Not yet (although Sony is arguably catching up, with the likes of SingStar and EyeToy). But Nintendo's rival's machines undeniably host sufficiently appealing titles to offset Nintendo's first-party advantage, from Grand Theft Auto and Gran Turismo to Knights of the Old Republic and Halo.

Moreover, Nintendo's best IPs - Mario, Link, and friends - lie far from today's violent and realistic cutting-edge. Hardcore gamers might value gameplay above all else, but the mass-market buys the total package. Many 20-year old GTA fans would no sooner play Mario than watch Madagascar. A recent Internet survey by Decision Analyst, which found Nintendo the most important brand for 8-12 year old Americans - but falling away above that demographic - makes bittersweet reading for Nintendo's supporters.

Wildcard draw

If it can't compete on scale and its best brands are skewed too young to take up the slack, what can Nintendo do? Well, it can innovate - and hope to draw a wildcard.

Naming the next machine Revolution was the easy (and cheap) part. Delivering an asteroid strike, a Pokémon scale phenomenon that utterly remakes the current landscape, will obviously be far harder.

From the information revealed at GDC and E3 earlier this year, Nintendo's machine might almost have been named the Nintendo Compromise. The company has accepted the need for high-end looks - and those who've got close vouch Revolution is Nintendo's best-looking machine yet. Equally, with its committed Wi-Fi strategy, Nintendo appears to realise it can no longer get away with the desperate kind of network treatment GameCube suffered. But publishers seem little more convinced by Revolution than its predecessor (despite Nintendo again sticking with a proprietary disc media, and the piracy protection it affords). And from the technical specs, Revolution is no Cell-beater - just as Nintendo had warned.

So much for keeping up with the competition - what about overtaking them? The news that Nintendo's 20-year old back catalogue will be available online and playable on Revolution has been widely welcomed. But making decade-old games a key selling point of your next gen system seems somewhat ironic. Speculation as to where the Revolution might arise has therefore focussed on the controller, which is yet to be revealed. Fake prototypes and wild conjuncture run rampant on the Internet, culminating in video games journalists pouring over the technical submissions Nintendo has lodged with the US patent office. Everyone likes speculation: to record one for posterity, how about a gyroscopic (tilt sensitive) controller, where the tilt controls the in-game camera? Nintendo has always pioneered with cameras...

Whatever the secret ingredient, only hands-on play will reveal if the new controller is a revolution or a headache. Nintendo's credentials in this area are peerless, however. From the original d-pad and the N64's analogue stick to the more recent touchscreen on the DS, Nintendo gets breakthrough games controllers right.

A new controller won't significantly trouble Microsoft and Sony though, if Revolution owners are still playing similar games to those on rival systems. Creating new gameplay to go with the controller is a further hurdle, but one Nintendo seems ready for. Company president Satoru Iwata and design legend Shigeru Miyamoto believe people are tiring of the established game types. Fostering anything genuinely new in games is undoubtedly the last word in difficult, but if you had to bet on one company, who else if not Nintendo?

We're already getting a sneak preview of this upcoming clash: Nintendo's DS, bristling with invention, versus Sony's PSP, with its sexy screen and familiar games. The good news for Nintendo is it's currently winning, with the five million-plus DS shipped outnumbering PSPs 2-1. Remembered, however, that PSP is yet to launch in Europe, where Sony's consoles invariably prosper. The current gap will rapidly close. Moreover, being a million or two ahead of Sony (post PSP's European launch) might seem a pyrrhic victory, given Nintendo has had 90 per cent of the handheld market to itself for generations.

Huge prize

Perhaps those days are gone. Whereas Sony and Microsoft seem to be striving for a huge prize beyond video games, Nintendo's challenge is just to stay in the ring. It's already lost console leadership, and while it's doing better in the handheld space than many predicted, the PSP is clearly its most credible opponent ever.

Putting its back catalogue online for Revolution is a clever way build network use, but it's also a reminder to the world of what Nintendo means, and of the gaming goodness it has - and can - provide. It's a neat trick that can only be done for the first time once.

Nintendo must play every card it has now, though, and right. If the Revolution is quashed, the first platform to host all Nintendo's games could also be its last.

This opinion piece was written by Owain Bennallack, editor of Develop. Read his thoughts on Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.

Niku-Sama
08-10-2005, 05:08 AM
despite all thats being said i will probally onw a revolution before a PS3 and never own an x-box any thing...i think nintendos got it down this time arround and i see the others slacking off a little bit in areas.

i honestly think too that people think nintendo is going to go the way of the sega.

McBacon
08-10-2005, 05:32 AM
To me, I'm not really fussed how well Nintendo are doing. Zelda, Pokemon and Mario are my favourite videogames I have ever played, and all of Nintendo's games seem like the level of enjoyment that everyone should aim at reaching.

Of course, if I am the only one buying the Revolution, I'll be a bit screwed with games... :P

phreak97
08-10-2005, 05:37 AM
exactly what Niku-Sama said.

i REALLY hope nintendo doesnt follow sega, i NEVER want to see mario on a sony or microsoft console.

BrokenFlight
08-10-2005, 05:46 AM
Whatever the secret ingredient, only hands-on play will reveal if the new controller is a revolution or a headache. Nintendo's credentials in this area are peerless, however. From the original d-pad and the N64's analogue stick to the more recent touchscreen on the DS, Nintendo gets breakthrough games controllers right

I'll have to disagree with that. Everyone knows the N64 controller was one of the worst.

Mayhem
08-10-2005, 05:51 AM
Nope, I loved the N64 controller and thought it was the best one ever. Cube pad runs it close, but still prefer the prong and Z button.

phreak97
08-10-2005, 06:29 AM
Whatever the secret ingredient, only hands-on play will reveal if the new controller is a revolution or a headache. Nintendo's credentials in this area are peerless, however. From the original d-pad and the N64's analogue stick to the more recent touchscreen on the DS, Nintendo gets breakthrough games controllers right

I'll have to disagree with that. Everyone knows the N64 controller was one of the worst.

that aside, nintendo was the first company to produce a controller with an analogue stick, they invented the concept.. and you cant say that wasnt a revolution in it's self.. where would we be now without them?

BrokenFlight
08-10-2005, 06:41 AM
that aside, nintendo was the first company to produce a controller with an analogue stick, they invented the concept.. and you cant say that wasnt a revolution in it's self.. where would we be now without them?

Yeah, ok, but I was focussing on the "Nintendo gets breakthrough games controllers right" point. To me it doesn't feel right at all. But maybe that's just my opinion.

Howie6925
08-10-2005, 10:11 AM
Nope, I loved the N64 controller and thought it was the best one ever.
LOL , whatever more like the worst.

WanganRunner
08-10-2005, 11:04 AM
I think Nintendo's doing ok here.

If they can stay in it for the long haul, another generation or so, I think their position will greatly improve.

I think that either Sony will end up driving Microsoft out or vice versa within the next couple generations. If MS can't make a real profit on gaming in 2 generations, I think they'll likely pull out of it. Consequently, Sony NEEDS Playstation, and if the PS3 isn't a runaway hit, then the rest of their ailing business might force them out of gaming.

If Nintendo can still be there when either of those two things happen, it'll be good for them. In the meantime, they still make a nice profit, and they make good games. Another runaway handheld hit, ala Pokemon wouldn't hurt. They really need to renovate that franchise a bit.

thegreatescape
08-10-2005, 11:28 AM
how about a gyroscopic (tilt sensitive) controller, where the tilt controls the in-game camera?

I seriously hope for nintendo's sake that its not a gyroscopic controller, since they've been around since '98 and had relatively little success (it just doesnt work!).
Strike me down as a n64 controller hater btw.

Lee Krueger
08-10-2005, 11:47 AM
[quote="Fibblewith"][quote]..... nintendo was the first company to produce a controller with an analogue stick, they invented the concept..


Bullshit!!!

The Atari 5200 predates the N64 as does the Vectrex.

Be careful here...... ;)

-Lee

Push Upstairs
08-10-2005, 12:04 PM
List me as an N64 controller hater as well.


I hope for Nintendo's sake thier new output equals the quality of thier "Classic" games. Nothing says "D'Oh" like luring people in with classics and then having them end up liking the old stuff over the new.

But then i'm not very thrilled about the main selling point of this system being the ability to play a bunch of older games.

djbeatmongrel
08-10-2005, 02:39 PM
Really, i think nintendo can pull out in front as long as they develop a few more mature video game franchises. Metroid is the most mature thing they have so far and it still doesn't draw enough of the "hardcore" crowd to a nintendo console. although they are very solid games nintendo needs something a bit rougher, nothing on the GTA level but still something bad ass. possibly of the level of the Mark of Kri series (heavily more advertised though).

also, n64 has a painful controller, just awful.