New DOA4 shots highlight motion blur. *TGS Update* [NSF-56k]

[njiska]

Check these out new shots posted on IGN today.

http://www2.ltlowe.com/~suprnova/DP/dead-or-alive-4-20050810102649915.jpg
http://www2.ltlowe.com/~suprnova/DP/dead-or-alive-4-20050810102653758.jpg
http://www2.ltlowe.com/~suprnova/DP/dead-or-alive-4-20050810102654883.jpg

Tell me that isn't sweet. I've never seen anything quite like it.

[DoctorAwesome]

Tell me that isn't sweet

That isn't sweet.


No, actually it's unbelievable. Very cool. 8-)

[Wavelflack]

What's different about this from other motion blur techniques?

Isn't it all the same? Each pixel rendered gets a certain amount of "afterimage" via buffering? I guess I always figured that was a real time technique.

[GameNinja]

It looks very impressive in stills, but don't you think that could get a bit annoying in real-time? I don't mean to pass judgement on it, its just a thought.

[Lost Monkey]

DOA 2 on the DC has that effect in the real time intro...

[njiska]

It looks very impressive in stills, but don't you think that could get a bit annoying in real-time? I don't mean to pass judgement on it, its just a thought.

I can't say until i actually see it but if it works properly it should only make things look more realistic. See when you record motion on film you get that motion blur and without it things look stiff. If it's implemented properly it should reallly, really could. If it's not it'll have a shitty GTA trace look. But knowing Itagaki-san's stance on making beautiful games, i think it'll be amazing.

[dj898]

can't wait to see it in action with the female fighters assets... :p

[kevincure]

It's not bad, but I hope these aren't next-gen screenshots. If so, it'd be the first time I'd been unable to tell the current gen and the next gen apart. This doesn't seem like that much of a step up from RE4.

[evil_genius]

Is this for XBOX 360?

[Slimedog]

It's not bad, but I hope these aren't next-gen screenshots. If so, it'd be the first time I'd been unable to tell the current gen and the next gen apart. This doesn't seem like that much of a step up from RE4.
It's got to be next gen. No way the current gen could deliver graphics this blury. I'd go as far as saying these are the bluriest graphics I've ever seen. Maybe if we are lucky, they will muffle the sound too.

[Overbite]

DOA4 has Hitomi and that's all i need

[dj898]

when tecmo got its senses and put the cat fight for female fighters brawls then that will be the logical evolution... forget the martial arts crap...
kicking where it hurts and pulling out hairs & ripping off clothing would provide more enjoyment to a lot of DOA fans... :p

[classicb]

Tecmo has always come through with incredible graphics and gameplay. I look forward to this and any other Tecmo release. Great company with great games.

[Lothars]

maybe it's just me, but meh nothing special

I mean decent graphics but nothing that makes me say o wow

[sabre2922]

Impressive...most impressive

seriously it looks good

I do wonder how many casual gamers are gonna be able to tell the difference between current-gen and next gen and be impressed enough to shell out the $$$ for a new console be it Xbox360,PS3, or Revolution?

Also I dont give a $hit what anyone says all the systems will have incredible looking games the days of arguing over this system can do this and this system can do that so your system sucks are long gone.

At least in a hypothetical non-fan boy fantasy universe ;)

[njiska]

Impressive...most impressive

seriously it looks good

I do wonder how many casual gamers are gonna be able to tell the difference between current-gen and next gen and be impressed enough to shell out the $$$ for a new console be it Xbox360,PS3, or Revolution?

Also I dont give a $hit what anyone says all the systems will have incredible looking games the days of arguing over this system can do this and this system can do that so your system sucks are long gone.

At least in a hypothetical non-fan boy fantasy universe ;)

I agree. The character's may look pretty much the same as in DOAU until you realize that it's running a much higher resolution, with 4x FSAA and with a very realistic looking real time blur. That can be don't on a current system. Not to mention there's a huge amount of background detail in what we've seen with DOA4.

Realistic graphics aren't everything though. What about style? DOA uses a pallet of bright colours, they always have. The characters have a specific looks and DOA4 remains true to them. Besides it's a game that doesn't even take place in our reality so why does it matter if it looks more real?

Besides look at the huge amount of detail in the background. Especially the last shot with all the trees in the background and the leaves falling all around the combatants.

The game is smooth, highly detailed and running in HD. That's enough to make me happy.

[PS2Hawk]

IF only that game has the gameplay like Tekken or Virtua FIghter..................

[PDorr3]

Looks very impressive, and as in terms of it being annoying I wouldent think so one bit. We see static screens which makes it looks like it will become annoying, but when we play it for ourselves it will fit perfectly.

[njiska]

IF only that game has the gameplay like Tekken or Virtua FIghter..................

I'm getting sick and tired of hearing that. FUCK TEKKEN! that series has gone to shit. 5 had some nice extra's but the core game still pales in comparision to Tekken 3. Soul Calibar has become Namco's permiere fighter.

Virtua Fighter has the deepest fighting system i've every seen but it's aimed at a different audience then DOA. It's like comparing Grand Turisimo to Burnout 3. Virtua Fighter is a deep fighting game designed for the most hard core of hard core fighting fans, DOA is designed for people who like to have a fighter they can pick up and play with their friends. DOA is easy to get into, has the best look and story of any current fighting game (Although Soul Cal 2 is amazing as well) but still has deepth. You can not just button mash against a skilled opponent because you will be reversed to death. The game has balence issues with reversals and arena moves which still too strong, but at least the game has them.

Don't get me wrong i love Virtua Fighter, i own VF 4, but i still enjoy DOA more, just because it's more fun. I've never felt the urge to go pick up Virtua Fighter 4 and just play for a few hours, i only trake it off my self when i have a serious opponent to play against. DOAU i'll play, even if i'm by my self, for hours. Currently i've logged 20 just unlocking shit.

Oh and for you umimpressed next-gen haters here's another picture i forgot to post. Just look at that background detail

http://www2.ltlowe.com/~suprnova/DP/dead-or-alive-4-20050810102657118.jpg

[PS2Hawk]

sorry fan boy but the Dead or Alive has the dumbest gameplay and its for noobs. faster u hit the more u win, no strategy required, so u say FUCK Tekken I say FUCK DOA and make more strategic/realistic games........

x_x

[njiska]

sorry fan boy but the Dead or Alive has the dumbest gameplay and its for noobs. faster u hit the more u win, no strategy required, so u say FUCK Tekken I say FUCK DOA and make more strategic/realistic games........

x_x

Whoa-ho aren't we getting a bit testy? Beleive me i'm no fanboy. I offered valid reasons for why i think DOA has good gameplay and all you said is "Dead or Alive has the dumbest gameplay and its for noobs. faster u hit the more u win, no strategy required" I'll gladly admit that it doesn't have the deepth of Virtua Fighter's fighting system but that's part of my whole argument. DOA has good solid gameplay, but it's not gameplay intended for hardcore fighting purists. DOA is about having fun, not seening who's better at timing their move down to the frame or juggling their opponents.

It's for causual fighter fans, it's not for noobs. It's for people who want to be able to pick it up, spend 30 mins with it and actually be able to enjoy it. But because of the reversal system it also has depth for advanced players as well. Reversals allow for strategy because you must learn not to be predictable, otherwise you'll get caught. I challenge you to sit down against a skilled DOA player and just start mashing buttons. You're gonna hit a predictable move and the master is gonna reverse you to death.

You're arguement, as i mentioned earlier, is akin to calling Burnout 3 a peice of shit because it doesn't play like Grand Turisimo. You're whole arguement is based on taste. You're insulting a solid gameplay system for some, because it's not "your choice" and do you know what it's called when you do that? It's called being a fanboy. So don't attack me and then offer no support for you're arguement, try making a point about why you feel DOA gameplay is bad and then back it up with some facts. I'd love to disscuss our differeing opinions, but try to be civil about it.

And yes FUCK TEKKEN. The series lost it's way with Tekken 4 (nixing the cool tag feature, the position changing moves) and while 5 did fix some issues i had with 4 it still doesn't top Tekken3 and Tekken Tag Tournament. Although i will admit that the 3rd person brawler extra was a nice touch (far better then death by degrees). It seems to me that Namco is doing a much better job with Soul-Calibar, though.

So i gave you my opinons on why DOA has good gameplay and why i don't like Tekken (both of which are not fanboyish) so if you still want to claim that DOA has bad gameplay, i suggest you try to do it in a civil and informative manner.

And just to make things clear i agree that DOA doesn't offer the depth of Virtua Fighter or even Tekken (once called the greatest 3D-button masher by the way) or but it's intended to be fun, not a simulation.

And if you'd like to go outside of gameplay i'll gladly argue that DOA has a better story and richer characters then Tekken.

Now all that aside this is a thread i started about the coolness of the new motion blur sytem, not the gameplay so from now on lets try to stay on topic. If you want to argue about gameplay go make a thread titled "DOA's gameplay sucks and is for noobs" and i'll gladly join in the debate.

[PS2Hawk]

better story ? not likely I would keep the story same....

richer character ? so u are saying that bigger boobs are richer characters ?

sorry buddy I don't give a dam about graphics I am a gameplay man, sure I might not be a hacdcore Tekken or Virtual Fighter player but I can easily spot that DOA is total SHIT and the gameplay is crap compared to soul calibur, Tekken or Virtua Fighter, do you have to agree with me ? NO

I can honesly say that the gameplay in DOA4 is going to be similar to be similar to the previous ones.

[Captain Wrong]

Is that gameplay or cutscene?

[njiska]

Is that gameplay or cutscene?

That's suppose to be from gameplay. Although IGN posted no details with the shots Itagaki-san has spoken in several interviews about the blur effect being apart of gameplay. Apparently it can be turned off if you wish.

Now on to PS2Hawk.

What the hell is your problem? Do you not actually read a post before you comment on it? Here read this:


Now all that aside this is a thread i started about the coolness of the new motion blur sytem, not the gameplay so from now on lets try to stay on topic. If you want to argue about gameplay go make a thread titled "DOA's gameplay sucks and is for noobs" and i'll gladly join in the debate.

That aside you're still doing the same thing you were before, saying the gameplay is shit but offering nothing to back up your claim.


better story ? not likely I would keep the story same....

What's this suppose to mean? I claimed that DOA had a better story then Tekken so this reply doesn't even make sense.


richer character ? so u are saying that bigger boobs are richer characters ?

No i never said, nor implied that. DOA has richer characters bescause they has a rich, fleshed out backstory. Here watch the opening cinematic (http://www2.ltlowe.com/~suprnova/DP/DOAU_intro.mpg) (163.84 MB) for DOAU2 and you'll see what i mean about a good story and rich characters.


sorry buddy I don't give a dam about graphics I am a gameplay man, sure I might not be a hacdcore Tekken or Virtual Fighter player but I can easily spot that DOA is total SHIT and the gameplay is crap compared to soul calibur, Tekken or Virtua Fighter, do you have to agree with me ? NO

Same old, same old. All bitch, no reason no backup. Here watch this review (http://www2.ltlowe.com/~suprnova/DP/DOAUltimate_102504_vidreview_640.mov) you might learn something (272.70MB This won't finish being uploaded for another hour, 6:30 EDT-ish. Also Goldstein exagerates the number of costumes, there are only about 160).


I can honesly say that the gameplay in DOA4 is going to be similar to be similar to the previous ones.

No you can't honestly say that. Unless of course you're a member of Team Ninja in which case you should be ashamed. I can understand why you might think it would be the same, but if you had bothered to read several interviews with Itagaki-san you would know that gameplay is being overhauled for DOA4. Many character's move sets will drasticly change because of this. Also the reversal system is being up-dated with character specific reversal moves and getting much deeper, finally allowing for reversals to arena moves like being kicked of a building. Itagaki-san is also adding a new type of move. I don't know the details but it's apparently specific to he characters skill set. An example of this was Kasumi running along the wall in the DOA4 trailer.

In closing, I told you already if you want to talk about gameplay do it in your own thread. This thread is about the new blur system, that's IT!

Now please leave.

[PS2Hawk]

yea I am sure it is, did u not see the E3 vidoes ?

I don't understand ur prob, so I don't like DOA I think its lame and I think its a noobs game is that keep you from playing it ?

use some common sense dude... u like the game go buy it ? wtf are u making it too personal ?


I like more stratigic games I donot like shooters so wat u want to give me a lecture or somthing?

[Jibbajaba]

Why do 12-year old trolls always have to show up and fuck up a perfectly good thread? Why can't we all just admire the cool pics instead of it turning into a debate about what game is better. If the mods leave this thread open long enough, it's going to turn into a PS3 vs XBox 360 debate, too.

:frustrated:

Chris

[Lemmy Kilmister]

I'm not impressed by this game... at all. Seriously people, what's all the hub bub about? I mean, it's obviously a gorgeous game, don't get me wrong, but we're talkin' next-gen graphics here. If you ask me this game doesn't look any better then Ninja Gaiden does and that game came out well over a year ago. This game hardly makes me want to run to EB and shell out 300+ dollars for a Xbox 360 and games if this is the best the system has to offer.

[njiska]

yea I am sure it is, did u not see the E3 vidoes ?

I don't understand ur prob, so I don't like DOA I think its lame and I think its a noobs game is that keep you from playing it ?

use some common sense dude... u like the game go buy it ? wtf are u making it too personal ?


I like more stratigic games I donot like shooters so wat u want to give me a lecture or somthing?

I'm not tryhing to make it personal. This is how things have played out:

You bring up gameplay. I counter, now granted i was a little hostile saying fuck Tekken and i probably shouldn't have said that, but i'm so tired of hearing people say if only DOA had it's gameplay when Tekken's own gameplay has gone down hill. So i counter with reasons why i don't think it's fair to complain about DOA's gameplay.

Then you go and call me a fanboy, then claim that all you have to do is hit buttons faster to win in DOA and then say make more strategic realistic games. I counter that coment and try prove that you can't just win against a pro by mashing buttons and that i'm not a fan boy. Then i ask that we stop this discussion here and if you wish to continue it we do it in another thread.

You reply sarcasitically to my post and claim that rich characters means bigger breasts and then you claim you can easily spot that DOA is total shit. I counter and once again ask you to stop discussing this in this thread because it's off topic.

You replay critizing that the blur is actually gameplay by saying didn't you see the E3 video. Which BTW those are not screenshots from. Then you ask what my problem is, so here it is:

Prior to the post you just made you never claimed that everything is just your opinion but rather how it actually is. There's a difference between bad gameplay being a proveable fact and bad gameplay just being our opinion. On top of that you insult me by calling me a fanboy, repeat your statement and offer nothing to back it up. Then you ignore my request to stop and then you do it all again. Enough is enough.

I repect that you don't like DOA and the gameplay is bad in your opinion. But you should learn to state that things are just your opinion rather because that little bit of information is important.

I'm willing to call a truce and agree to disagree. I don't want this thread to get locked because of our dispute. This really is about the blur effect not about the gameplay.

And captain wrong when you said a cutscene or gameplay i assumed you meant pre-redenered vs. in engine. I do not know if that is real gameplay or just an inengine cutscene, but i do know that it is done inengine and that the blur will be a part of gameplay.

[DogP]

Heh... those pics look nice, but I guess I don't really care about graphics... this reminds me of the discussion a while ago where someone said one of the Madden series claimed to be the first football game where you could see the players' arm hair... uh... who cares :P .

DogP

[njiska]

I'm not impressed by this game... at all. Seriously people, what's all the hub bub about? I mean, it's obviously a gorgeous game, don't get me wrong, but we're talkin' next-gen graphics here. If you ask me this game doesn't look any better then Ninja Gaiden does and that game came out well over a year ago. This game hardly makes me want to run to EB and shell out 300+ dollars for a Xbox 360 and games if this is the best the system has to offer.

It's true that it doesn't look that much better then Gaiden did, but i think that's partly because they want to keep the same look to the characters. I mean since day one they've had sort of a stylied touch to them. Just look at the big eyes on the girls. However as stated earlier the real time blur is cool and definitely something that we can't do on the current gen of consoles.

My question for you and everyone else is, what exaclty makes next-gen graphics look next-gen? I mean the bar between the previous generation and this one is clear. Reflections, non-Polygon shaped bodies, realtime volumetric lighting and better particle effects and shadows and shaders. But what are we expecting in the next gen? All that Sony has shown us in real-time doesn't look any better then what i can do on my PC, even FFVII, Microsoft is at least honest and admits that the first generation of games won't look much better because developers are just learning how to harness the systems power and Nintendo isn't saying anything. What's the bar that next gen graphics should be measured by? I really don't know, does anyone else?

[Chuplayer]

I'm not impressed, and I was like the biggest fan of DOA2 on the DC ever.

Also, Tecmo sucks for going after the people who modded DOAXBV. Way to go, Tecmo. Sue the world! I might pick up Ninja Gaiden Black, but only when it's used and cheap. Itagaki's the man, though. Too bad he works for Tecmo.

[njiska]

I'm not impressed, and I was like the biggest fan of DOA2 on the DC ever.

Also, Tecmo sucks for going after the people who modded DOAXBV. Way to go, Tecmo. Sue the world! I might pick up Ninja Gaiden Black, but only when it's used and cheap. Itagaki's the man, though. Too bad he works for Tecmo.

You know i use to think the same thing. But then jack claimed EA was a pedophile assistant because they didn't try to stop people from modifing the Sims. Sure Tecmo was being a prick, but don't forget they do shove that legal warning down your throat when you first load a game and no alteration of their code is clearly stated. Besides in this day and age you have to cover your ass. I don't like that ninja-hacker got sued, but hey at least Tecmo has a defense if anyone every questions the nude hack.

BTW here's a great quote for Itagaki-san.

"So when you see a girl in DOA i can understand why one would want to undress her, but if you do so, you really should be embareassed."

[njiska]

I'm not impressed, and I was like the biggest fan of DOA2 on the DC ever.

Also, Tecmo sucks for going after the people who modded DOAXBV. Way to go, Tecmo. Sue the world! I might pick up Ninja Gaiden Black, but only when it's used and cheap. Itagaki's the man, though. Too bad he works for Tecmo.

You know i use to think the same thing. But then jack claimed EA was a pedophile assistant because they didn't try to stop people from modifing the Sims. Sure Tecmo was being a prick, but don't forget they do shove that legal warning down your throat when you first load a game and no alteration of their code is clearly stated. Besides in this day and age you have to cover your ass. I don't like that ninja-hacker got sued, but hey at least Tecmo has a defense if anyone every questions the nude hack.

BTW here's a great quote for Itagaki-san.

"So when you see a girl in DOA i can understand why one would want to undress her, but if you do so, you really should be embareassed."

[Chuplayer]

I'm not impressed, and I was like the biggest fan of DOA2 on the DC ever.

Also, Tecmo sucks for going after the people who modded DOAXBV. Way to go, Tecmo. Sue the world! I might pick up Ninja Gaiden Black, but only when it's used and cheap. Itagaki's the man, though. Too bad he works for Tecmo.

You know i use to think the same thing. But then jack claimed EA was a pedophile assistant because they didn't try to stop people from modifing the Sims. Sure Tecmo was being a prick, but don't forget they do shove that legal warning down your throat when you first load a game and no alteration of their code is clearly stated. Besides in this day and age you have to cover your ass. I don't like that ninja-hacker got sued, but hey at least Tecmo has a defense if anyone every questions the nude hack.


Depending on who you ask, that little "do not modify our code" thing has no legal meaning. It's just some corporate scare tactic.

[Chuplayer]

I'm not impressed, and I was like the biggest fan of DOA2 on the DC ever.

Also, Tecmo sucks for going after the people who modded DOAXBV. Way to go, Tecmo. Sue the world! I might pick up Ninja Gaiden Black, but only when it's used and cheap. Itagaki's the man, though. Too bad he works for Tecmo.

You know i use to think the same thing. But then jack claimed EA was a pedophile assistant because they didn't try to stop people from modifing the Sims. Sure Tecmo was being a prick, but don't forget they do shove that legal warning down your throat when you first load a game and no alteration of their code is clearly stated. Besides in this day and age you have to cover your ass. I don't like that ninja-hacker got sued, but hey at least Tecmo has a defense if anyone every questions the nude hack.


Depending on who you ask, that little "do not modify our code" thing has no legal meaning. It's just some corporate scare tactic.

[Captain Wrong]

And captain wrong when you said a cutscene or gameplay i assumed you meant pre-redenered vs. in engine. I do not know if that is real gameplay or just an inengine cutscene, but i do know that it is done inengine and that the blur will be a part of gameplay.

Right. That's what I meant. Sorry for not being more clear, but thanks for clearing that up. :)

[Captain Wrong]

And captain wrong when you said a cutscene or gameplay i assumed you meant pre-redenered vs. in engine. I do not know if that is real gameplay or just an inengine cutscene, but i do know that it is done inengine and that the blur will be a part of gameplay.

Right. That's what I meant. Sorry for not being more clear, but thanks for clearing that up. :)

[classicb]

I'm not impressed, and I was like the biggest fan of DOA2 on the DC ever.

Also, Tecmo sucks for going after the people who modded DOAXBV. Way to go, Tecmo. Sue the world! I might pick up Ninja Gaiden Black, but only when it's used and cheap. Itagaki's the man, though. Too bad he works for Tecmo.

You know i use to think the same thing. But then jack claimed EA was a pedophile assistant because they didn't try to stop people from modifing the Sims. Sure Tecmo was being a prick, but don't forget they do shove that legal warning down your throat when you first load a game and no alteration of their code is clearly stated. Besides in this day and age you have to cover your ass. I don't like that ninja-hacker got sued, but hey at least Tecmo has a defense if anyone every questions the nude hack.

BTW here's a great quote for Itagaki-san.

"So when you see a girl in DOA i can understand why one would want to undress her, but if you do so, you really should be embareassed."

that's exactly what I was thinking. It sucks for developers to have to take these kinds of actions but it seemes these days if you do nothing you're still at fault.

[classicb]

I'm not impressed, and I was like the biggest fan of DOA2 on the DC ever.

Also, Tecmo sucks for going after the people who modded DOAXBV. Way to go, Tecmo. Sue the world! I might pick up Ninja Gaiden Black, but only when it's used and cheap. Itagaki's the man, though. Too bad he works for Tecmo.

You know i use to think the same thing. But then jack claimed EA was a pedophile assistant because they didn't try to stop people from modifing the Sims. Sure Tecmo was being a prick, but don't forget they do shove that legal warning down your throat when you first load a game and no alteration of their code is clearly stated. Besides in this day and age you have to cover your ass. I don't like that ninja-hacker got sued, but hey at least Tecmo has a defense if anyone every questions the nude hack.

BTW here's a great quote for Itagaki-san.

"So when you see a girl in DOA i can understand why one would want to undress her, but if you do so, you really should be embareassed."

that's exactly what I was thinking. It sucks for developers to have to take these kinds of actions but it seemes these days if you do nothing you're still at fault.

[James]

I'm not impressed by this game... at all. Seriously people, what's all the hub bub about? I mean, it's obviously a gorgeous game, don't get me wrong, but we're talkin' next-gen graphics here. If you ask me this game doesn't look any better then Ninja Gaiden does and that game came out well over a year ago. This game hardly makes me want to run to EB and shell out 300+ dollars for a Xbox 360 and games if this is the best the system has to offer.

I agree it doesn't look all that much better judging by the character models alone but the High-Def abilities of all next gen games or at least the ones on Xbox 360 thus far that have been confirmed all look amazing in HD. Just the higher pixel count and the smoother rendering alone of this game and other Next-Gen games makes the new systems worth owning not to mention this cool new real-time blur effect they've got going, but then again without an HD capable monitor it isn't going to look too much better. To see what I mean check out the 4 minute E3 Trailer for this game in 540P and tell me it doesn't look any better. You're going to need a good PC in order to view this though. http://www.xbox.com/en-CA/deadoralive4/default.htm

[njiska]

New Screenshots again today from TGS. I'm still amazed by the blur.

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/545/545798/imgs_1.html

Oh and check out the Game of Death suit on Jann Lee

[Daria]

yea I am sure it is, did u not see the E3 vidoes ?

I don't understand ur prob, so I don't like DOA I think its lame and I think its a noobs game is that keep you from playing it ?

use some common sense dude... u like the game go buy it ? wtf are u making it too personal ?


I like more stratigic games I donot like shooters so wat u want to give me a lecture or somthing?

His problem is that you are a fucking retard. Put down the keyboard and walk away slowly before you pop your brain with the effort of thinking about it.

[njiska]

Whoa Daria, leave that one alone. PS2Hawk and i finished that dispute a while ago. I appreciate the support but i'd rather not have an old war start up OK? Thanks. :)

[Daria]

Opps this is an old thread. XD

[njiska]

Opps this is an old thread. XD

Ah that's ok.