How much longer will the PS2 last?

[boatofcar]

With the GameCube, even though Nintendo finished in "third place," it was making a profit from day one, so it really didn't matter from a business perspective.

It would be really awesome to read a post by you that didn't defend Nintendo.

[MegaDrive20XX]

Funny lookin' back at this thread. Made in 2005. Here it is, 2009 and Sony promises more games for the PS2 until the end of 2009. Man, we were WAY off lol

[Rob2600]

It would be really awesome to read a post by you that didn't defend Nintendo.

In response to The 12P, I was pointing out that:

1. Last generation, Nintendo could afford to "ride it out" in third place because it was making a profit the entire time. Nintendo wasn't losing money, so from a business perspective, being in third place didn't matter. The profits were rolling in.

2. On the other hand, with Sony losing money on the PlayStation 3 hardware, it would be a bad business move for Sony to sit back and "ride out" this generation in third place, as The 12P suggested. If I were a shareholder, I'd want Sony to do everything in its power to recoup its losses...get more people to buy more games and movies, since that's where Sony's profit is.


I was merely illustrating two different business models and how Nintendo's GameCube strategy shouldn't be applied to Sony's PS3 strategy.

[Zap!]

Yeah.. but Sony IS NOT Nintendo. Nintendo's bussiness are videogames only, so they couldn't not to develop new systems and videogames. Nintendo is very pertinacious, however Sony is worldwide company and it works in all kinds of trading branches. I think after draw in 7th generation, SCEI will develop videogames for next console generation. We cannot compare these two companies because the consumer market they have different! There is little chance that SEGA will recover and release new videogame system, so the 8th generation of SEGA.

Wouldn't it be great if Sony AND Microsoft quit the hardware business, and Atari and Sega returned?

[Rob2600]

Wouldn't it be great if Sony AND Microsoft quit the hardware business, and Atari and Sega returned?

What about Magnavox? :)

[otoko]

What about Magnavox? :)

Magna-Who? Nobody cares about them!LOL

[Zap!]

What about Magnavox? :)

Hmm, Fairchild too. :)

Woo-hoo, my 1,000th post! :)

[The 1 2 P]

Maybe, but we cannot know that strong before it happens. By the way, I'm not interested in it, I just a collector/gamer and all that I told is just my IMHO.

Perhaps but I was merely enlighting you so that you know how these things work.


Excellent business strategy! Will you be the one who tells Sony's shareholders they'll be losing money for at least another half a decade? I'm sure they'll understand.

Two things. First, Microsoft didn't make a profit off the original Xbox(same thing with 3DO, Jaguar, Neo Geo, CD-I, etc) so it does happen. Second, Sony's shareholders have known for the last two plus years that they are losing money. I don't have to tell them anything, especially not that they will continue to lose money this year. And I'm not really sure if Sony will keep the PS3 around for another five years. That was the initial plan, but that plan didn't anticipate so many loses.

[kain]

Wouldn't it be great if Sony AND Microsoft quit the hardware business, and Atari and Sega returned?

I have not found the lifetime of Atari, so I don't say something about this, but it'll be pretty cool if SEGA return in hardware business. Regarding Microsoft: I don't like MS and I'll be glad if it quit this business. So, regarding Sony: I like it and I wish them a long prosperity in this business, I hope that they'll have 1st place, like in times of PlayStation and PS2.

[Zap!]

I have not found the lifetime of Atari, so I don't say something about this, but it'll be pretty cool if SEGA return in hardware business. Regarding Microsoft: I don't like MS and I'll be glad if it quit this businessю So, regarding Sony: I like it and I wish them a long prosperity in this business, I hope that they'll have 1st place, like in times of PlayStation and PS2.

Well, they won't likely have first place anytime with the PS3. it would have to be a HUGE comeback, the biggest in history. They will have to wait for the PS4 in 2011 or so.

[chrisbid]

Well, they won't likely have first place anytime with the PS3. it would have to be a HUGE comeback, the biggest in history. They will have to wait for the PS4 in 2011 or so.


if sony isnt making much money in their non-video game divisions, and losing their butt with the PS3, where is the R&D money for the PS4 going to come from?

[bcks007]

deep pockets? :p

[The 1 2 P]

Wouldn't it be great if Sony AND Microsoft quit the hardware business, and Atari and Sega returned?

Man would that be a horrible place to game in. Actually, you'd be one of the only people who sticks around for it, as it would obviously lead to the second great video game crash.

[Pantechnicon]

Well apparently I've already entered a dog into this fight although I can't remember what it was. Either way it looks like I was wrong.

I don't follow the business end of these sorts of stories too closely so my revised prediction is based on two things: What I've seen from PS3 owners I know, and my own dumb gut hunches.

What I've seen from PS3 owners I know is that the hit-and-miss on the question of PS2 backward compatibility is biting them in the rear, and that they're put off by it.

I've got one neighborhood dad who says the 80GB PS3 he bought his son for his birthday last April has all but been abandoned because dad doesn't want to pay $60 for new titles, and at the same time his son would rather play all the great PS2 games that he plays at - ahem - my house. I've also got another friend - a more serious gamer than the case above - who just got a PS3 for Christmas, again, without the BC, and now is compelled to hold onto his PS2 to finish the remaining games in that library. He won't be buying any PS3 titles until that's done, which could be a full year.

I also see that Gamestop has recently dropped the price on their used PS2's to between $60 and $70, depending on the model. That's probably going to bring in a lot more lower-income households who will buy new games for the refurbed consoles (well below the $100 mark now), and it looks to me like PS2 game walls still takes up sizable space in all the major retail stores.

Thus, my revised prediction as of Jan 2009 is that the PS2 will last 2.75 more years, ending its run with Madden 2011, and that this system will in fact outlast the PS3.

[j_factor]

Two things. First, Microsoft didn't make a profit off the original Xbox(same thing with 3DO, Jaguar, Neo Geo, CD-I, etc) so it does happen.

I don't know if Microsoft is a great comparison. When they were initially planning to enter the console market, their plan from the beginning was to take a loss on the first console, and become profitable with its successor. Of course, that latter part may never happen thanks to the RROD warranties.


Second, Sony's shareholders have known for the last two plus years that they are losing money. I don't have to tell them anything, especially not that they will continue to lose money this year. And I'm not really sure if Sony will keep the PS3 around for another five years. That was the initial plan, but that plan didn't anticipate so many loses.

I think the losses are diminishing. The new PS3's don't cost as much to manufacture and their sales weren't too bad overall in '08. Although I think they'll remain in third, I think their situation will only improve over time. I highly doubt the PS3 will last as long as PS2, but I can see it being around another 5 years (but no longer).

[Zap!]

if sony isnt making much money in their non-video game divisions, and losing their butt with the PS3, where is the R&D money for the PS4 going to come from?

No one throws in the towel with one failure (unless it's their first system), and the PS3 isn't even considered a failure. Sony has pleanty of money. Isn't it the second or third largest electronics manufacturer? I know Samsung is first...

[Zap!]

Man would that be a horrible place to game in. Actually, you'd be one of the only people who sticks around for it, as it would obviously lead to the second great video game crash.

All the real historians would love it. Most of the true historians that are 35-40, man that would be their wet dream. Well that and a color Vectrex. My fantasy.

[j_factor]

No one throws in the towel with one failure (unless it's their first system), and the PS3 isn't even considered a failure. Sony has pleanty of money. Isn't it the second or third largest electronics manufacturer? I know Samsung is first...

I thought Matsushita/Panasonic was the biggest.

[Rob2600]

No one throws in the towel with one failure (unless it's their first system)

What about Magnavox? :)

[j_factor]

Magnavox was bought out by Philips (there are also Philips-branded Odyssey2's). The CDi followed.

[Icarus Moonsight]

...Thus, my revised prediction as of Jan 2009 is that the PS2 will last 2.75 more years, ending its run with Madden 2011, and that this system will in fact outlast the PS3.

Would like to say otherwise (as far as the PS3 is concerned), but I can actually see that happening. I'd say your gut hunch has a better than fair chance at being spot on. Forget Montezuma, this is The Revenge of Dreamcast! LOL

[Zap!]

I thought Matsushita/Panasonic was the biggest.

No, Samsung has been the world's biggest electornic manufactuerer for around 4-6 years now. They are not Japanese, and the pride of South Korea. It's considered a major honor over there to work for them. Dunno who's second. Sony is either second or third. Panasonic is pretty far behind I think.

[Zap!]

What about Magnavox? :)

Well, Magnavox never had a successful VG system. With Sony, they had two mega successful ones, their first two no less. Not way they stop when one (PS3) doesn't sell up to par. :)

[chrisbid]

No one throws in the towel with one failure (unless it's their first system), and the PS3 isn't even considered a failure. Sony has pleanty of money. Isn't it the second or third largest electronics manufacturer? I know Samsung is first...

sony isnt a gaming company. any division with sony that is losing its ass can get the axe or be spun off into its own company.

[TheGam3r]

3 More years Till 2012 By 2010 Less and less games will come out,Price drop To 79.99,2011: less and less games will come out PS2 Drops To 49.99 by 2012
The last releases and PS2 Will be price dropped to 19.99 and Greatest Hits Games To 5.99 making the perfect budget system And By 2018 Gamestop stops taking PS2 Trades

[Icarus Moonsight]

Dude, I need to borrow your DeLorean for a bit. LOL That was rather specific.

[The 1 2 P]

Dude, I need to borrow your DeLorean for a bit. LOL That was rather specific.

Delorean? Where we're going we don't need any Deloreans. Besides, they make these neat little pogo ball 9000's that hop you to any place in the space time continum. The only problem is that all that hoping gives you irritable bowel syndrome:embarrassed:

[josekortez]

Forget Montezuma, this is The Revenge of Dreamcast! LOL

Since the Japanese PS2 became the prime dumping ground for shmups and 2D fighters, I look at the PS2 as a positive now, even though it did kill the Dreamcast.

If it wasn't for the PS2, I don't know where those games would have ended up before the 360 got released. GameCube maybe? I guess some of them did, but that shmups just feel more natural on the PS2 than on the GameCube to me.

[Rob2600]

Delorean? Where we're going we don't need any Deloreans.

How about Time Travel Juice?

[Nebagram]

Delorean? Where we're going we don't need any Deloreans. Besides, they make these neat little pogo ball 9000's that hop you to any place in the space time continum. The only problem is that all that hoping gives you irritable bowel syndrome:embarrassed:

So he's got a sports car and you've got a space hopper? ;-)

Sorry, sorry, would get back OT but I still stand by what I said in my first post in this thread.