PS3 twice as fast as Xbox 360?

[bargora]

"Statements about 'Oh, the PS3 is going to be twice as fast as an Xbox 360' are totally meaningless . It means nothing. It's surprising that game customers don't realize how it treats them like idiots. The assumption is that you're going to swallow that kind of system, when in fact there's no code that has been run on both of those architectures that is anything close to a realistic proxy for game performance. So to make a statement like that, I'm worried for the customers. And that we view customers as complete morons that will never catch on and that we're lying to them all the time. That's a problem because in the long run, it will have an impact on our sales."
Gabe Newell is the founder and managing director of Valve. The full article (from next-gen.biz) can be found here. (http://next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=510&Itemid=2)

Are you swallowing the hype? :P (I'm not just talking to PS2Hawk, here. ;) )

[chrisbid]

im not, but enough people do, and since you cant be arrested or sued for hyping the shit out of your products, then this behavior will continue.

but really, in the end, it wont be failed performance that lets sony down, it will be price and the quality of software

[le geek]

It comes down to this, do people remember being disappointed with the actual PS2 vs. the wow PS2 tech demos last time.

The demos looked amazing, but when the PS2 came out it was "slightly" better than Dreamcast, with anti aliasing problems.

Now eventually, the PS2 got some great games and coders figured out how to get great graphics out of it (ICO being the turning point for me)

But...

I'll wait until I see the real games this time... (and really I'll wait until the price drops this time :P If/when I get a X360 or PS3 $200-250 seems a good price range to try to hold out for...)
Cheers,
Ben

[buttasuperb]

The PS3 will be 37 times faster than anything.

[HyrulianHedgehog]

The PS3 will be 37 times faster than anything.

Assuming you get the 'Totaly Face Kicking Rocks Your Grandmother from the Grave Package with Super Totaly Awsome Chrome Decals.'

[Wavelflack]

No, you just have to spring for the optional centrifuge.

[jajaja]

I think its too early to tell. We will see when they both are out.

[Lothars]

Well of course it's not true, but I am still looking forward to the PS3 than the xbox 360

but it's not surprising it's not 2x as powerful it's still going to be a damn good system IMO

[njiska]

No, you just have to spring for the optional centrifuge.

I thought you just had to get the pack with the Flux Capacitor that autmomatically brings the best parts back from the future. LOL

Seriously thought props to Gabe for saying what the best of us were thinking. Sony's marketing has always been based around smoke and mirrors and it's continuing now. It normal to hype something but Sony is just beinging a real dick about the PS3. Numerous times Kutaragi has been unprofessional and openly bashed the 360 and let's not forget all the CG videos and tech demos that were completely uncharacteristic of the final product.

MS has been suprisingly honest about the power of the 360. They even admitted that the first next-gen games wouldn't look that much better then the top current gen games. They also have claimed the 360 more powerful then the PS3 and in truth in some area's it is. The problem is that they're designed so differently you can't just compare them on raw power. What it all boils down to is how well the developers learn how to use the power that they have and right now the 360 looks to have the better programming support. Thank you Gabe Newell.

This time it's all about the games.

[chrisbid]

This time it's all about the games.

it was supposed to be all about the games this generation, but overall this generation has seen the least amount of original content ever.

[Griking]

It comes down to this, do people remember being disappointed with the actual PS2 vs. the wow PS2 tech demos last time.

I was. I remember hearing all the hype about the PS2 Emotion engine and how it was going to make the Dreamcast look like shit. Fanboy employees at EBWorld and Gamestop were gushing about it like nothing before telling me how my life couldn't be complete without it.

Then about a week or two before it was officially released they got a demo in one of the stores. They had a Street Fighter game running on it (I forget the exact title) and I specifically remember thinking to myself "That looks like absolute shit". There were serious jaggie problems and and it ran as slow as hell. From that day I said I'd never take Sony or any game store employees that I didn't know seriously again.

[cyberfluxor]

I personally don't care about the performance compaired to the quality, variety, and pricing of the games. Performance no matter what will be above the current standards, otherwise there would be no point in upgrading your current systems. With this in mind, what makes the current systems so horrible performance wise that makes you want to throw yourself at Sony or Microsoft without even knowing first hand what you're dealing with?

[njiska]

This time it's all about the games.

it was supposed to be all about the games this generation, but overall this generation has seen the least amount of original content ever.

Sad truth unfortunately. However being all about the games doesn't mean all about new games. No, it means being all about the good games.

Despite the overwhelming amount of sequels in the last generation there were some amazing original titles. Halo of course, Katamari Damacy, Killer 7, Eternal Darkness, Devil May Cry, ICO, God of War, Splinter Cell, etc.

And to be fair some sequels are pretty damn good games to. RE 4, RE 0, REmake, DMC3, VF4 EVO, DOAU, MGS 3, The Legend of Zelda: WW (kiddie graphics but still a solid game), Soul Calibar II, SC: Pandora Tomorrow, SC: Chaos Theory, Deus Ex: IW, the list goes on.

Remember the generation has been going on for a while. Most new franchises come at the start of a generartion, the sequels fill in the end.

[Diatribal Deity]

My crystal ball seems to be malfunctioning (its manufactured by Sony with Microsoft programming), can I borrow yours?

[njiska]

My crystal ball seems to be malfunctioning (its manufactured by Sony with Microsoft programming), can I borrow yours?

What are you talking about?

[Diatribal Deity]

My crystal ball seems to be malfunctioning (its manufactured by Sony with Microsoft programming), can I borrow yours?

What are you talking about?

Wasn't directed at you. Just seems like most people are looking into their proverbial crystal ball, predicting the success/failure of the systems. I am choosing to take the wait and see approach and probably will end up getting all three systems. I'm sure all of them will be great!

As for the malfunctioning part I was hinting at Sony's problems with disc read errors and Microsoft's headaches with their operating systems.

[njiska]

My crystal ball seems to be malfunctioning (its manufactured by Sony with Microsoft programming), can I borrow yours?

What are you talking about?

Wasn't directed at you. Just seems like most people are looking into their proverbial crystal ball, predicting the success/failure of the systems. I am choosing to take the wait and see approach and probably will end up getting all three systems. I'm sure all of them will be great!

As for the malfunctioning part I was hinting at Sony's problems with disc read errors and Microsoft's headaches with their operating systems.

Ok, that's what i though you meant. My crystal ball is working prefectly. 360 and PS3 will sell huge, Revolution will sell well, but less, and i'll be broke as all hell from buying all three.

[Flack]

The PS2 processor speed is about 300mhz, the Xbox's is 733. The same game come out at the same time for both systems, which tells me raw numbers are pretty pointless. Sometimes the Xbox version is better, sometimes the PS2 version is. Who cares. The only difference is which system is going to have the bestest most awesomeist first person shooters. x_x

[cyberfluxor]

That is the biggest reason why I don't buy brand new games and systems when they come out. Sure they are awesome and hip to have the latest stuff, but regardless of whether I get it now or 2 years later, I enjoy it the same way.

[Anexanhume]

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9057/Xbox-360-New-Tech-Specs-Details-Surface/

[cyberfluxor]

The PS2 processor speed is about 300mhz, the Xbox's is 733. The same game come out at the same time for both systems, which tells me raw numbers are pretty pointless. Sometimes the Xbox version is better, sometimes the PS2 version is. Who cares. The only difference is which system is going to have the bestest most awesomeist first person shooters. x_x

Don't be a sucker! Of course, this is true just as anything else. Just like high horsepower on a dumpy car with bad aerodynamic design, there is more than just 1 factor (Obviously) when it comes to performance of these machines. The clock speed may be fast, but the BUS speeds or even memory access circuits could be horribly designed. Another thing, clock speeds aren't everything when it comes to the internal works of the CPU, pipelines and other enbedded chips help out. I'd advise people to do just a bit of research on processors and they'll see that some of the slower frequencies actually put out more because they can do more than 1 process at a time or handle data better than others.

[jonjandran]

I have yet to see a properly ported PS2 game look better than a properly ported Xbox game. :roll:

[buttasuperb]

I have yet to see a properly ported PS2 game look better than a properly ported Xbox game. :roll:

Me neither.

[sabre2922]

I posted on another thread:

By the way how does anyone know that the PS3 is going to be so god-almighty-powerful huh? that IS fanboyism at its worst man.
Thats the same type of hyped up bullshit that Sony pushed down our throats about the PS2 and when it came out NONE of the games looked any better than what was on Segas Dreamcast until MGS2 was released much later.Only in the last couple years did developers surpass what could have been accomplished on Segas Dreamcast (MAYBE).

The fact is all of the Next-gen systems will look great very few ppl especially the mass of casual gamers out there will be able to tell any REAL fucking difference the days of each system having very different looking ports of any certain game title have been over since the PSone,Saturn,N64 days.
:cheers: