INDUSTRY CRASH

[RCM]

Anyone ever want this to happen? I'm kinda beginning to lean towards it. I don't think the industry has ever been worst then now since it rose from the ashes. What are your thoughts on this?

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[njiska]

I don't want to see the industry crash. That would be bad for all of us. What i want, is to see the industry shamed for it's piss poor quality.

It took Nintendo to raise the industry from the ashes last time, but how's gonna do it now?

[SkiDragon]

I hope so, if only to give me a chance to play the existing games.

[swlovinist]

This topic comes up from time to time, heck I have even brought it up. Although the industry has flexed it financial muscle and is more powerful than ever, it needs a serious, serious wake up call. The industry is as far as it can be from creativity, common sense, and just plain fun. I am so sick and tired of the Xth game in a series. I am tired of so many games having a oh so generic sequel, over and over and over again. Mario needs to take a vacation from sports and board games. Mircosoft needs to pull thier head out of their ass and not dump the millions of Xbox owners that made them the No. 2 person(cough cough first party games for Xbox cough cough). Sony needs to figure out an online strategy for their next system is and figure out a non shitty game controller(not that Bat rang they have been toting for the PS3). I am sure that many people will redirect me to the games sales, and point out that the industry is better than ever, but that does not mean that the industry is going in the right direction. I look at todays games, and there is a serious lack of life in them. The innovation has left the building for the most part, and frankly the fun has too. The bottom line is that the industy is so huge now, you have many people in the industry who frankly dont have a friggin clue or passion for games making the games. A Company like Nintendo has all but forgotten their fanbase that made them the comapany they are today. Microsoft thinks that by forcing the public to buy thier high end system, that they will abandon thier harddrive savy 100% Xbox playing dream machine and spend a kidney on their new bug savy 360 machine. I hope that I am 100% wrong. I hope that I will eat my words. I hope that I will see the very things that drew me to games 20 years ago...fun, simplicity, and abstract ideas. Do I want a crash? No. I just want the industry to remember the 20-40 yr. somethings that dont give a shit about the realism in games, the realistic graphics, or that you can see the beads of sweat coming off of a dudes head. We DO give a shit about gameplay, innovation of gameplay, and that the game is actually fun to play.

[JJNova]

Anyone ever want this to happen? I'm kinda beginning to lean towards it. I don't think the industry has ever been worst then now since it rose from the ashes. What are your thoughts on this?

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

Nope, and I don't think it will. And here's why..


http://iiiperception.blogspot.com

EDIT : Figured I shoudl explain better. I believe that the video game industry is about to be completely rejuvenated with the next generation, so long as we all participate. I know that a lot of individuals are talking about how useless a new console is, or how the games are beginning (already are) the same ideas on the same engines pushing the same themes. I'm not going to say it's not true about software becoming very monotonous, but that's because one can't afford to write an engine from scratch. Just license one and build onto it.

But the newer consoles are opening the doors for us to see newer development studios, new developers, and possibly stumble across the next Will Wright or Shigeru Miyamoto or Hideo Kojima or [insert favorite person here].

Go ahead and give it a read, and you'll see what I mean.

[Haoie]

Holy cow? Is it 1983 again?

[zmweasel]

Anyone ever want this to happen? I'm kinda beginning to lean towards it. I don't think the industry has ever been worst then now since it rose from the ashes. What are your thoughts on this?

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

Game designer Greg Costikyan certainly wants it to happen, and wrote an excellent article outlining his reasons in the latest issue of The Escapist (http://www.escapistmagazine.com) online magazine. (It's a tweaked version of his infamous Game Developer Conference rant.)

-- Z.

[hydr0x]

do i see it happen?? probably
do i want it to happen? no idea
do i think it could be a good thing? yeah, i think so, honestly, i could perfectly live with the current amount of games plus like 5 releases per month ;)

[calthaer]

may the lords of destruction rain down fire upon the heads of game co. execs who are constantly piling tired and banal shovelware on store shelves. then let Chris Crawford act as the phoenix and raise the industry from the ashes.

[Jumpman Jr.]

Some good could potentially come out of the industry crashing again. Just think; what happened when the industry crashed before? We were introduced to the NES and all its glory.

[jdc]

I'm tired of the new consoles and don't really want to partake of the next round from the big 3. It's the likelihood of "sameness" that has me shying away. I've had 2 Xboxes, 2 Cubes and 2 PS2s. I'm now down to one Xbox, not counting retro systems, of course. I can understand more and more why some DP members choose to ONLY play retro systems and cabs.

I just bought a PSP. I'm thrilled with it. Even though we are seeing some familiar franchises on the system, the games have a different feel to them, as if the developers had to pay attention to the software in order to get it to work on this handheld. The games are large in scope but had to be redesigned to be able to be played quickly and in small bites. There's a definite "new" feel to the playablity of the PSP. I've decided that my PSP will suffice as my "next-gen" purchase. It should be easier to collect a complete PSP game library as well. :D

[Graham Mitchell]

I wish the console market would crash. I've recently taken notice that 70% of my PS2 discs are either compilations or games that the general public would not consider to be "up to snuff" in terms of 3-D graphics (R-type Final, Y's VI, etc.)

However, the portable market may be this industry's saving grace right now. The DS is a cool little system, and I still see a lot of potential with it. People are certainly enjoying their PSP's (even though they only get 2 games and 9 UMD movies a month in new releases...not like the DS is doing much better, though), and the Gameboy Advance has actually turned out to be a great platform, in my opinion.

I've all but abandoned the console market save for Hideo Kojima and the numerous interesting comps. There needs to be a change in the infrastructure of how games are developed and published and the costs of doing so before we'll see any changes, though. And as Zach is always reminding us, it's very goddamn unlikely that this is going to happen anytime soon.

[smokehouse]

Unfortunately the industry isn’t going anywhere. I think of it this way. We older gamers were able to play extremely good games amongst the garbage. Back then it was 1 good game for every 5 released. Not a bad ratio figuring that lately you get 1 good game for every 25 released. The problem is that younger gamers have no idea what they are being fed. Many gamers around 10-15 have never played a NES, SNES or Genesis let alone less known systems like the TG-16 and Neo Geo. All they know is the Playstation, N64 and beyond. A 15 year old was 2 when the SNES came out! They will buy shit games because that’s all they know.

The fact that this exists will continue to fuel the industry.

[Blanka789]

I agree that the industry is heading in the wrong direction, but it seems like Nintendo is trying to stop it by creating new types of games on the DS and (hopefully) Revolution.

But, if the industry does crash, maybe Sega & Nintendo will make a console together to save it! 8-)

[Cmosfm]

No innovation? please.
No fun games? :roll:

The industry is doing great now, and great games are still constantly coming out. If you play every new gen game with a closed mind, then yes, you'll hate them all because you'll nitpick everything.

Yes, I had more fun with my games in 1986, why is that though? Because I was a kid, like most of us were back then, and we couldn't afford to buy a new game every week. Now that I have a CONSTANT backlog of games, I can't sit and really enjoy one game anymore, I always want to move onto the next one.

I remember really really having fun with Videomation & Color A Dinosaur if that means anything to you. Why? Because I didn't have anything else to play!

[stonecutter]

Smokehouse is right about young gamers not knowing what they are being fed I think, and neither do a lot of the parents. They buy it because they don't know any better and its what the kid wants. However a lot of our kids for those who have them, probably like the older stuff better since they have access to it.

My son who is 8 thinks the SNES is the best, he plays it more than most other systems, the closest new one being the Gamecube. How about the rest with kids here, do they like any of the older systems the best, or prefer new ones?

[NeoZeedeater]

Gaming is excellent right now, with something for everyone. I don't see how anyone could want a crash or any harm to this industry.

[smokehouse]

My buddy’s kids come over and play many of My NES and SNES games and absolutely love them. The same goes with 2 of my nieces. The love playing titles like TNMT: Turtles in Time on the SNES. There just aren’t games like that out now. I’ve played the new Turtles titles, they aren’t as good.

[djbeatmongrel]

No innovation? please.
No fun games? :roll:

The industry is doing great now, and great games are still constantly coming out. If you play every new gen game with a closed mind, then yes, you'll hate them all because you'll nitpick everything.

Yes, I had more fun with my games in 1986, why is that though? Because I was a kid, like most of us were back then, and we couldn't afford to buy a new game every week. Now that I have a CONSTANT backlog of games, I can't sit and really enjoy one game anymore, I always want to move onto the next one.

normally i HATE what you have to say (i do appreciate the bluntness though). This is where i agree with you cmosfm. i do, however think a crash will help the big dogs in the console industry (sony and microsoft) see things differently.

The videogame industry is like any other media based industry (movie, music, tv) if execs can rehash ideas and sell it to the masses they will until people stop buying it. Most likely a crash wont happen anytime soon but if it were companies would be forced to approach thing differently to keep the consumer happy.

Really i never thought i'd be a damn near a fanboy but i am rooting heavily on Nintendo because they seem to be the only company with fresh ideas and the balls to go ahead with them. To me, the Big N seems have the write vision overall to keeps things interesting.

[Kid Ice]

It seems that many look back fondly on the crash. I do not. I thought the crash sucked. I really liked Atari and I wanted them to make more games. All the game companies seemed to jump to making computer games overnight. Videogames just disappeared from the public consciousness and were thought of as a passing fad. It wasn't cool anymore.

Yeah, it was nice coming up on all that cheap loot (especially the Vectrex stuff), but the arcades (as we knew them) pretty much died out at that time, and mainstream console gaming was gone for a few years (some seem to believe the release of the NES in 85 was an instant remedy...NO).

Do I like the way the industry is now??? Ehh. I'd say the games aren't as good as they were five years ago, but better than they were ten years ago. I don't think a crash that brings everybody down is the answer, and find it highly unlikely that Sony and MS would be brought down by it anyway.

[Cmosfm]

No innovation? please.
No fun games? :roll:

The industry is doing great now, and great games are still constantly coming out. If you play every new gen game with a closed mind, then yes, you'll hate them all because you'll nitpick everything.

Yes, I had more fun with my games in 1986, why is that though? Because I was a kid, like most of us were back then, and we couldn't afford to buy a new game every week. Now that I have a CONSTANT backlog of games, I can't sit and really enjoy one game anymore, I always want to move onto the next one.

normally i HATE what you have to say (i do appreciate the bluntness though).

Awww, why the Cmos hate? :(

[Doonzmore]

Smokehouse is right about young gamers not knowing what they are being fed I think, and neither do a lot of the parents. They buy it because they don't know any better and its what the kid wants. However a lot of our kids for those who have them, probably like the older stuff better since they have access to it.

My son who is 8 thinks the SNES is the best, he plays it more than most other systems, the closest new one being the Gamecube. How about the rest with kids here, do they like any of the older systems the best, or prefer new ones?

I'm currently 14 and I couldn't give a shit less about todays consoles. Flack pretty much summed up how I feel about most of the kids at my High School when It comes to retro games.


and then we locked them in the room until they changed their rotten little minds."

[djbeatmongrel]

not hate of you, just some crap you say on controversial topics just bugs the hell out of me

[smokehouse]

I think this debate will be much clearer in 10 or so years. Old games are not only better to me; they’re better to many younger gamers as well. Every kid who has come over to my house and played my retro titles have fallen in love with them. When they come over again they zip to the gaming room and ask for more. Do they ask to play my older PS1 or N64 titles? Nope. It’s not just me, the older games are better. We have a pizza parlor that has Burgertime, Mrs. Pac Man and POW arcade games. All are always being played and often by younger kids. Why? Because they’ve stood the test of time. What 7 year old will be playing Halo or GTA in 2020?

The industry has taken a dive and it will become evident in 15 or so years when the titles currently available aren’t played as much as SMB1 is today.

[Slimedog]

There won't be a crash. The production costs associated with current gen games might kill innovation, but they also increase overall quality. On current gen consoles I can count the number of really horribly bad games on one hand. Sure there are fewer standout masterpieces, but only medicroity is needed to keep the industry going. The ratio of bad to good was much higher in the old days. And the first crash was caused by the flood of bad games, not so much of a lack of innovation.

[smokehouse]

I can say that I do hope that Nintendo changes things a bit with their next system. We’ll see though.

[thegreatescape]

Really i never thought i'd be a damn near a fanboy but i am rooting heavily on Nintendo because they seem to be the only company with fresh ideas and the balls to go ahead with them.

You mean like Mario Party 7 and Mario Power tennis and Mario Superstar baseball? Not hating on the N or anything, its just that they put out a fair share of rehashes themselves.

[JJNova]

You mean like Mario Party 7 and Mario Power tennis and Mario Superstar baseball? Not hating on the N or anything, its just that they put out a fair share of rehashes themselves.

Yeah, because Mario Party 7, Mario Tennis, and Mario Baseball are all the same game. x_x

You are confusing name branding with being the same titles. The same goes for Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles and Final Fantasy IV aren't the same game, or even the same type of game. The name Final Fantasy (or Mario) is simply to let you know who developed the game, what the controls will be like, the graphic style, the sound, and the storyline. It's not a rehash though. That's almost as ridiculous as people blaming Sony because there is another Grand Theft Auto game.

[boatofcar]

Video games are a much bigger industry than it was in 1983.
Right now, there's as much chance of a "crash" in the gaming industry as there is of a "crash" in the movie or music industry.

[Cmosfm]

Video games are a much bigger industry than it was in 1983.
Right now, there's as much chance of a "crash" in the gaming industry as there is of a "crash" in the movie or music industry.

I've said this exact same thing in other thread, just elaborated on it more, so I fully agree with this statement.

[RCM]

My post wasn't asking if the industry would crash. It was asking if you want it to or not.

I highly doubt it's going to crash anytime soon.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[sabre2922]

Naa I dont want another crash but it would be great if we could somehow send a message to the many developers out there that keep trying shoveling $hit games down our throats.

My biggest bitch about the current state of the gaming industry is the early push for the next-gen consoles and premature killing off of perfectly able systems like Xbox and Gamecube :angry:
I also have had 2 Xboxs and Gamecubes but with M$ dropping the Xbox like a 2 dollar whore and Nintendo not giving a shit about the gamecube it shows how us THE GAMERS get pushed into buying new expensive hardware every few years in the Hope that a system will actually be supported like they were back in the day like NES,Genesis, and SNES but it rarely happens anymore.

Hell the only reason The PS2 will last longer than the other current gen systems is the fact that the industry cannot ignore the fact that there are over 90million PS2s out there.
It has very little to do with Sonys actual support of the system.

I do have a PS2 but its the only current-gen system that looks to have a future at least for another couple years.

[djbeatmongrel]

Really i never thought i'd be a damn near a fanboy but i am rooting heavily on Nintendo because they seem to be the only company with fresh ideas and the balls to go ahead with them.

You mean like Mario Party 7 and Mario Power tennis and Mario Superstar baseball? Not hating on the N or anything, its just that they put out a fair share of rehashes themselves.

dont twist my words buddy, i said damn near a fanboy. what you pointed out are a few things that deter that jump into mindless nintendo worship as they are large blemishes on nintendo's current record.

[Mr.FoodMonster]

STOP MAKING THESE LAME THREADS EVERY GODAMNED WEEK

<3 Mr.FoodMonster

[boatofcar]

STOP MAKING THESE LAME THREADS EVERY GODAMNED WEEK

<3 Mr.FoodMonster

Why don't you try and contribute something significant yourself?

http://cpuwiz.com/images/stopposting.gif

EDIT:

In answer to your question, I think it would be good for the industry to take a bit of a hit, but maybe not crash completely.

[maxlords]

I certainly want a crash. Frankly, any industry that puts out simply AMAZING products like Psychonauts and then has them completely ignored because they aren't marketed to casual gamers deserves to burn...

[sabre2922]

I certainly want a crash. Frankly, any industry that puts out simply AMAZING products like Psychonauts and then has them completely ignored because they aren't marketed to casual gamers deserves to burn...

Good point and I agree completely but unforntunately its the casual gamers that decides what stays (GTAs and Maddens) and what gets shoved out the window (Shenmue 3, 2D of any kind fighters,sidescrollers, SHMPs etc.).

Its an unfortunate side effect of the succes of the video game industry as a whole. The casuals have much more control over the fate of games and systems than we do> we meaning the gamers that actually live and breath video games.

[NeoZeedeater]

Gaming has always been run by casual gamers and there have always been great games that never sold. Did games like the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles on NES and Bart vs the Space Mutants deserve to outsell games like Kenseiden and Wonder Boy III? No, but that's the way it is. Hyped, big name stuff is what sells in any generation.

The past wasn't some hardcore gamer run paradise where everything sold based on quality. Wishing for a crash is stupid because it means that games in general will sell less copies.

[Mr.FoodMonster]

STOP MAKING THESE LAME THREADS EVERY GODAMNED WEEK

<3 Mr.FoodMonster

Why don't you try and contribute something significant yourself?

http://cpuwiz.com/images/stopposting.gif

Hey, hows about you stop using that same image a bit? kthanks.
And besides, these threads ALWAYS turn into fanboywars, and I'm becoming really sick of what DP has been turning into lately, between 'WHO WOULD WIN SONIC OR ZELDA?!?!?!?' and 'OMG INDUTRY CRASH SOON'. It's annoying. Very, very annoying.
Yes, it makes sence that these people want the videogame industry to FAIL. Because once that happens, that means that only GOOD videogames will be made afterwords, just like the first videogame crash, when there were less games and even less gamers. Right. x_x

[Flack]

I'll say the same thing I say every time we have this conversation. I couldn't care less if the videogame industry crashes or not. It really wouldn't affect my life one bit. As I've said before, including ROMs, I have tens of thousands of games in my computer room that I haven't even played yet -- not to mention all the new games I'll be picking up dirt cheap after the crash! I could stop buying games tomorrow and still play a new game every day for the rest of my life at this point. And that doesn't include writing about them, reviewing them, posting about them, talking about them ...

Yeah, I got a backup plan.

[sabre2922]

Gaming has always been run by casual gamers and there have always been great games that never sold. Did games like the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles on NES and Bart vs the Space Mutants deserve to outsell games like Kenseiden and Wonder Boy III? No, but that's the way it is. Hyped, big name stuff is what sells in any generation.

The past wasn't some hardcore gamer run paradise where everything sold based on quality. Wishing for a crash is stupid because it means that games in general will sell less copies.

While that may be true I certainly wasnt stating that it used to be some "hardcore gamer run paradise" I was simply stating that since the advent of PSX the casual gamers have multiplied by millions and there are just as many Negative effects with the industry being as succesfull as it has been within the past 10 years as there are positive.

The fact is that the new Zelda will be lucky to sell as many copies as the last Madden or GTA wether it is released on Gamecube or Revolution and that is but one example about what sucks about the current state of things with our hobby.

The casual gamers killed the art of 2-D and they killed the Dreamcast buying into the Sony backed hype machine.
If the videogame industry was still a small "geek" hobby like it used to be thought of by the mainsteam many things would have been different not necessarily all better but very different.

[Mr.FoodMonster]

Oh yeah, here's some useful information.

Crash threads

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66778&highlight=industry+crash
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30767&highlight=industry+crash
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64769&highlight=industry+crash
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58722&highlight=industry+crash

So yeah, this topic has been done to hell.

[Captain Wrong]

And besides, these threads ALWAYS turn into fanboywars, and I'm becoming really sick of what DP has been turning into lately, between 'WHO WOULD WIN SONIC OR ZELDA?!?!?!?' and 'OMG INDUTRY CRASH SOON'. It's annoying. Very, very annoying.
Yes, it makes sence that these people want the videogame industry to FAIL. Because once that happens, that means that only GOOD videogames will be made afterwords, just like the first videogame crash, when there were less games and even less gamers. Right. x_x


Oh yeah, here's some useful information.

Crash threads

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66778&highlight=industry+crash
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30767&highlight=industry+crash
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64769&highlight=industry+crash
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58722&highlight=industry+crash

So yeah, this topic has been done to hell.

*Golf clap*

Seriously, well played.

[Ernster]

I dont think theres any chance of a crash, this generation theres even more idiots who buy the same boring games. But yeah I'd love one I think, would be good for the industry

and for Nintendo to kick butt again...

[maxlords]

Wishing for a crash is stupid because it means that games in general will sell less copies.

That's a good thing. Less copies = more collectibility. Less sales = smaller companies making games for less profit = more innovation. I see no downside here, other than a struggle to actually GET games.

[RCM]

And besides, these threads ALWAYS turn into fanboywars, and I'm becoming really sick of what DP has been turning into lately, between 'WHO WOULD WIN SONIC OR ZELDA?!?!?!?' and 'OMG INDUTRY CRASH SOON'. It's annoying. Very, very annoying.
Yes, it makes sence that these people want the videogame industry to FAIL. Because once that happens, that means that only GOOD videogames will be made afterwords, just like the first videogame crash, when there were less games and even less gamers. Right. x_x


Oh yeah, here's some useful information.

Crash threads

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66778&highlight=industry+crash
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30767&highlight=industry+crash
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64769&highlight=industry+crash
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58722&highlight=industry+crash

So yeah, this topic has been done to hell.

*Golf clap*

Seriously, well played.

Let me repeat. This thread is not about if a crash is happening soon or if you think a crash is going to happen again. I simply asked if anyone shares my feelings and actually wants one. Get it? Very different than the topics of those other threads listed above.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[MegaDrive20XX]

Sometimes I think it could happen. Yet all I got to do is look at where I work. GameCrazy, who among thousands of other similar stores do exactly the same thing. This industry is like a public pool. Everyone can have a nice swim.

[boatofcar]

Oh yeah, here's some useful information.

Crash threads

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66778&highlight=industry+crash
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30767&highlight=industry+crash
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64769&highlight=industry+crash
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58722&highlight=industry+crash

So yeah, this topic has been done to hell.

Here's a really novel idea, Mr. Monster. IF YOU DON'T LIKE A TOPIC DON'T READ OR POST IN IT!!!!

Oh, and

http://cpuwiz.com/images/stopposting.gif http://cpuwiz.com/images/stopposting.gif http://cpuwiz.com/images/stopposting.gif


God, I miss the Battlezone sometimes.

[smokehouse]

Wow! This thread turned nasty fast.


When it comes to current releases I just feel like I’m back underground again. Look at the music industry, so many say it’s in the shitter but in my opinion, it’s only bad on the top. If you don’t like cookie cutter hip-hop or run of the mill R&B or poser rocker videos I’d suggest you not watch MTV at all. Does this mean that groups like Radiohead, Interpol, Queens of the Stone Age, Propellerheads, Cake, NIN, Daft Punk, Electric Six and others don’t exist. Nope. They do, you just have to look for them. The same goes for current titles. Games like Madden 2025 pt 2 extended edition director’s cut, grand Theft Auto 2,000,000,000 and Halo 26 get all the press while Metal Slug 4&5, Midway Arcade treasures 1&2, the Mega Man collection, Capcom Collection and others slip silently by only noticed by those that get their info from places other than EGM.

We just aren’t what the mainstream developers are shooting for and it stings a bit. Especially figuring that we were the ones supporting them back when the need us the most. Now that their big, they don’t need us anymore and I for one feel left behind. I think it’s that frustration that bothers many old school gamers nowadays.

[Mr.FoodMonster]

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Here's a really novel idea, Mr. Monster. IF YOU DON'T LIKE A TOPIC DON'T READ OR POST IN IT!!!!

Oh, and
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God, I miss the Battlezone sometimes.
Sorry for attempting to keep the forum civil and not repeting topics. Next time, I'll be as much of an asshole as I can and make plenty of topics that have been done in the past. YAY

[Slave to the Parasites]

Although, I do wish for the game industry to crash (seeing as how I find only about 1 in every 200 games released this gen worthy of more than a rental), I fear that it would only bring a temporary reprieve from the superfluous releases of interactive graphics engines that today's kids have been duped to believe are video games. The real problem is the overabundance of stupidity that inhabits the USA and, to a lesser degree, its little brother, Europe. As long as idiocy continues to breed and thrive in these regions, our hobby will be at their mercy.

The only real solution to the problem is for [America] to crash...and burn... :evil:

[Flack]

Sorry for attempting to keep the forum civil and not repeting topics. Next time, I'll be as much of an asshole as I can and make plenty of topics that have been done in the past. YAY

OR, you could, you know, simply kick back and enjoy the place.

[Niku-Sama]

the thing i really hate about todays market is every peice of crap gets produced and basicly unless its something good which is delayed constantly time after time after time its rushed through production and basicly made crappy because of it...

kinda like an imbred game, ones delayed are like some ones hot sister, not worth the wait but probally good...i have a scale for people here:

Rushed Production = Inbred Game
Overly Delayed = A Hot Sister

[Anexanhume]

Upon long consideration...

as long as it's AFTER Elder Scrolls IV is released, it's all good with me LOL

[Captain Wrong]

the thing i really hate about todays market is every peice of crap gets produced and basicly unless its something good which is delayed constantly time after time after time its rushed through production and basicly made crappy because of it...

kinda like an imbred game, ones delayed are like some ones hot sister, not worth the wait but probally good...i have a scale for people here:

Rushed Production = Inbred Game
Overly Delayed = A Hot Sister

I haven't the slightest idea what you're getting at here, but it made me laugh quite a bit, so that's a good thing.

[Niku-Sama]

i cant rember any more Capn Wrong other wise i would explain it further

[Richter Belmount]

I doubt there will be a game crash. Companies will still try to bring in creative games and games that sell . Sure nintendo has been doing some rehases but what they have made in the past coming years is great , Im having a good time playing with my gc right now cause of the older and some newer quality titles.
But I think ps2 is oversaturating some of the game market with some of their titles 32 rpgs ,l2 metal gear ripoffs more 3rd person action games . The ps2 has become so mainstream creating a movie size library of games everything cant be pure quality you just got to look out there for the games that you want thats why you dont see much creativity , everyone cant make something original , game systems will still be around when the market has like gta 13 , Madden 23 , final fantasy 35 any popular title to keep you buying the companies game systems , I think when the ps3 is out there people arent gonna care and will be wowed by the ps3s capabilities no matter if they seen it the billionith time.

[RCM]

I wrote this a couple weeks ago and just got around to posting it on the very subject of this thread.

http://www.gamersunitemagazine.com/2005/09/post_2.php

Hope you enjoy.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[Tokimemofan]

The problems are usually lack of innovation due to the classic idea of "It would never sell" (pick oddball Japanese game) or the newer "Let's not be a lightning rod for mad lawyers and parents" (GTA:SA anyone).

Poor game quality comes from the old "Lets make 100 games at once and spend 5 minutes on each unless its our big title" (many major publishers) or "our hit title had a great sequel lets make a dozen more, more than half a dozen side stories, some movies, anime, and THEN cash in on our cool new series" (and this is from someone who likes Final Fantasy hint Square-enix).

[Zigfried]

I was under the impression that game quality is higher than it was back in the 8 and 16 bit era. There certainly seems to be more innovation nowadays -- a lot more diversity than the old glut of linear 2D shooters and linear 2D sidescrollers. I love both genres, but it's hard to denounce the modern generation for lacking "quality" or lacking "innovation" if you're comparing it to any console newer than the Atari 5200.

Anyways, do I want the market to crash? No. There are still too many games I'm looking forward to.

[jdc]

The game industry is definitely akin to the movie industry insomuch that lesser titles are put out onto the market inbetween big releases. The lesser product's job is simply to keep the public's mind (and spending) focused on the industry while the big stuff is still in production.

If you didn't have the crap, people's attention and wallets might be diverted away to some other pastime.

I feel that the game industry is now simply too big to go away. Trends will change and the public's intensity towards the industry might ebb and flow, but there will always be a large enough group of people around to support the game industry, regardless of whether the products are good or bad. No matter what, we're still going to end up taking what the industry gives us.

I don't want an industry crash simply because, like many people, it gives me a fun way to relax.

[mezrabad]

I don't think it matters to me one way or another. I've got a 25 year back log of games of which I've only scratched the surface. Even if they stopped making games after Elder Scrolls IV comes out, I'd be a happy gamer for the rest of my life.

Do I actively WANT a crash. No, but I'm not making live virgin sacrifices to my chosen diety to prevent it either.

[Bender_rules]

Upon long consideration...

as long as it's AFTER Elder Scrolls IV is released, it's all good with me LOL

amen to this,off topic but elder scrolls is one of the best games series ever,why because they take3-5 years to make one but it's worth the wait.

[silver_surfer]

Umm, I think a crash would be good cause then all your base belong to me!!

[Tron 2.0]

I doubt there will be a game crash. Companies will still try to bring in creative games and games that sell . Sure nintendo has been doing some rehases but what they have made in the past coming years is great , Im having a good time playing with my gc right now cause of the older and some newer quality titles.
But I think ps2 is oversaturating some of the game market with some of their titles 32 rpgs ,l2 metal gear ripoffs more 3rd person action games . The ps2 has become so mainstream creating a movie size library of games everything cant be pure quality you just got to look out there for the games that you want thats why you dont see much creativity , everyone cant make something original , game systems will still be around when the market has like gta 13 , Madden 23 , final fantasy 35 any popular title to keep you buying the companies game systems , I think when the ps3 is out there people arent gonna care and will be wowed by the ps3s capabilities no matter if they seen it the billionith time.
Agreed still if the market crash it wouldn't bother me.

Beside i got enough to play all ready 8-) Still i just wish the market would slow down and, see where's it's going.

Still it won't it's a... run away train and nobody can stop it.

[Tron 2.0]

I doubt there will be a game crash. Companies will still try to bring in creative games and games that sell . Sure nintendo has been doing some rehases but what they have made in the past coming years is great , Im having a good time playing with my gc right now cause of the older and some newer quality titles.
But I think ps2 is oversaturating some of the game market with some of their titles 32 rpgs ,l2 metal gear ripoffs more 3rd person action games . The ps2 has become so mainstream creating a movie size library of games everything cant be pure quality you just got to look out there for the games that you want thats why you dont see much creativity , everyone cant make something original , game systems will still be around when the market has like gta 13 , Madden 23 , final fantasy 35 any popular title to keep you buying the companies game systems , I think when the ps3 is out there people arent gonna care and will be wowed by the ps3s capabilities no matter if they seen it the billionith time.
Agreed still if the market crash it wouldn't bother me.

Beside i got enough to play all ready 8-) Still i just wish the market would slow down and, see where's it's going.

Still it won't it's a... run away train and nobody can stop it.