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Adol

09-05-2005, 07:12 PM

Well,after somefrench Mega CD fans asked me to do some pictures of my unreleased game,i decided to do so,and i used an emu to make some pics

here they are:

http://fantasyzoneparis.free.fr/images/Burning%20Fists%20Pics%202/

i do have 2 Mega CDR of those,and the 2nd one is another "earlier" variation of the game,but unfortunately that one only worked in original Mega CD system,not on Emu..but it has a intro video that doesn't have the 2nd version! :)

The version i played for pics is 90% completed..only is missing the final boss and ending...you see a video presenting final boss coming out of a door, and BAM! reset of the game,return to title screen

I'm ready to answer any question!

Enjoy!

Vroomfunkel

09-05-2005, 07:30 PM

Very cool 8-)

Why is the game called "Burning Fists" when the title screen says "Force Striker"?

Vroomfunkel

Adol

09-05-2005, 07:39 PM

I suppose this was the japanese,and US name of the same game

check out here

http://fantasyzoneparis.free.fr/images/Burning%20Fists%20Pics%202/Tsukikage%20Wins%201.bmp

http://fantasyzoneparis.free.fr/images/Burning%20Fists%20Pics%202/Tsukikage%20Wins%202.bmp

you see Burning fists written all over the screen behind newspaper..so my guess is it was separate titles for us&jpn releases..
one of my mega cdr is written Burning Fists
another one is written Force Striker Alpha

and somebody already found my copies,there

http://www.eidolons-inn.net/segabase/CD-BurningFists.html

i'm the guy who bought them on ebay many years ago :)
So they are my EXACT copies

TEXASGAMEPLAYER

09-05-2005, 07:42 PM

any chance of buying a copy

Gamereviewgod

09-05-2005, 07:44 PM

any chance of buying a copy

I was going to ask the same thing. No way you can tease us with all those screens! :-P

Adol

09-05-2005, 07:53 PM

Well,knowing that i paid $1500 to get those,if you're ready topay the price i paid,no problem

I won't sell those babies cheaper than the price i've paid to get them..

this is a piece oe Mega CD history here...fighting game by sega,never released,90% complete
AND i do have the 2nd one,lke 20% complete,but which has a intro video that doesn't have the 90% one,and gmeplay is very different ( button for jum,1 for defense..while the finalized version just need up to get a jump :)

Classicgamesdepot

09-05-2005, 08:18 PM

Thanks for the pics! How is the game in general by the way? Controls, animation etc., it looks fairly average for a sega cd fighter

Melf

09-05-2005, 09:12 PM

Nice!

I'm planning on doing a feature on Sega CD games that were never released. Mind if I use some of these pics? I'll gladly credit you as the source. Heck, I may even have a few questions for you to put in the feature!

Gamereviewgod

09-05-2005, 09:19 PM

Well,knowing that i paid $1500 to get those,if you're ready topay the price i paid,no problem

I just wanted a burned copy so I can try it.

swlovinist

09-05-2005, 09:49 PM

Who has the rights to the game? Is there any way an underground release could be made in numbered quatities? It would be a way a you could get your money back....

pragmatic insanester

09-05-2005, 10:18 PM

my comp is being jaggy. its not a beat 'em up by any chance, is it?

sabre2922

09-05-2005, 11:28 PM

WOW im impressed

im sure your investment will pay for itself in any number of ways.

Would be great if the game could actually be finished and released.

Cauterize

09-06-2005, 05:01 AM

Well,knowing that i paid $1500 to get those,if you're ready topay the price i paid,no problem

I just wanted a burned copy so I can try it.

Seconded! Please make Isos of the discs!

Adol

09-06-2005, 05:04 AM

pragmatic insanester: The game is Street Fighter like

swlovinist: i'm open to any posisbilities...if 50 persons are ready to pay $40 for it,then i'll make iso,but there is NO way i'll get less than the price i paid for it,$1500

gamereviewgod: if i burn 1 copy,then i can consider the game will be ALL around the globe,and even if mine is the orginal Mega CDR,it'll be worthless,then NO,i can't do this,sorry..

Melf:ask your questions,and you can use all the pics

classicgamesdepot: the gameplay is fine,in the 90% completed version..some "hadôken" moves,special moves,etc..but it is definately an AVERAGE game,not something incredible
The 20% complete version gameplay was worse,because it used OBLIGATELY the 6 button pad,and you had 1 button for jump,1 for defense ( instead of up & left in final version,which seems normal ),2 for punch,2 for kick

Adol

09-06-2005, 05:06 AM

Cauterize: again, for $1500,i'll gladly make any you want

but not for less,i'm not stupid.

pragmatic insanester

09-06-2005, 08:11 AM

-gets the pics to work- interesting. i wish it were a beat 'em up, though. there are too many vs. fighters these days.

anagrama

09-06-2005, 08:31 AM

Adol

09-06-2005, 08:35 AM

Exactly,anagrama...
Anyway i wanted to "share" the knowledge of this game,by making pics since it seems there wasn't even one on internet,and as said earlier,i'm ready to answer any question concerning the game

If Good Deal Games or other company of that kind is interested in releasing it,i'm open to offers...but it is a sega game,and i don't think that because it isn't 100% complete, sega hasn't any rights on it,and will oppose to his "massive release" ( i mean more than 2 Mega-CDR :)

Thank you

Michael Thomasson

09-06-2005, 11:27 AM

Good Deal Games is interested. I know, because I operate GDG! Are there any interested parties or organizations that would like to try and co-publish this title if we can work out all the legal issues?

Contact me at gooddealgames@mindspring.com

AND, it looks like the audio bug in MIGHTY MIGHTY MISSILE is finally vanquished (thanks for your help Fonzie) and will be seeing a full and final release soon for the Sega CD!

Best,
Michael

rbudrick

09-06-2005, 06:22 PM

Y'know, this is probably why other people don't show off their unreleased stuff - as soon as they do, they just get dozens of people saying "Go on, make me a copy of your very expensive proto and render the original worthless in the process"

As soon as I get protos I try my best to share copies of them, no matter what they cost me... copies aren't going to make the original go down in value, as they aren't legit, and it's easy as hell figuring out which ones are real and which ones are copies. Think about it...do you really thing that Earthbound proto wouldn't fetch what it orignally did? Any collector worth his salt can tell a repro from an original. Seriously...I cannot think of a single example of a proto going down in value from a copy being made or the rom being distributed everywhere.

Games are meant to be played, but I can see asking for a fee to make a copy for others. To each his own, I say.

Also, $1500 for Mega CD protos...even unreleased is extremely steep...especially for a not too-well-known franchise.

-Rob

anagrama

09-06-2005, 07:05 PM

Lets not go down this route again - at the end of the day, what happens to a proto is solely at the discretion of it's owner (and possibly complicated by legal ramifications).

I have great respect for those who choose to share them, but at the same time can entirely understand why others are reluctant to, especially after parting with large amounts for them.

Seriously...I cannot think of a single example of a proto going down in value from a copy being made or the rom being distributed everywhere.

I believe California Raisens is the oft-quoted counter to that. But, as I said, I don't want to re-initiate this debate - it always seems to just get ugly.

Adol

09-06-2005, 08:26 PM

Well then,rbudrick,in my place,paying the pricei paid,what would you suggest?

Good Deal Games sounded interested,i wrote to them a dozen of hours ago,and not an answer...

rbudrick

09-07-2005, 04:58 PM

Hi Adol,

It's hard to say...I guess it depends on what you want (basically your intentions when you own any given prototype). If you want to make money on it, cool. Do it up. Sell it if you can to make a profit. There's nothing wrong with that.

If letting others play the game is important to you, make some copies of it and sell them to others (or give them away). Ethical? Probably not, but being ethical isn't really my place to say and isn't the topic here, heh heh. I guess there's nothing stopping those who get a copy from you from making more copies to give to others, true. I will be the first to admit that my argument is difficult in this case of a relatively obscure CD-based game with an initial investment of $1500, as it is very difficult to make that back...I would be curious as to the original intentions when it was acquired (making money or just playing it...or just keeping it. If $ was the idea, that is a very difficult up front investment to make back on such a title). Of course, this case is by far the exception and not the rule with protos. Usually cd-based (or DVD) protos, unreleased or not, don't go over $150, in my experience. Released protos are usually around $30-$110 as I've seen it. They just don't usually sell for as much among collectors as cart-based games. So, outside of an odd situation like this, my argument basically holds true. Protos don't drop value even if they've been dumped...I've just never seenit in many years of collecting (and collecting protos) In a way, my argument is still true for this case, since I believe more was paid for the item than its actual value, which is no fault of subsequent buyers of it, but fault is a harsh word to use, so I try not to use it lightly...it's not like I'm blaming you or anything, lol.

I guess it sorta comes down to whether you want protos to make money (as an investment), or if you want them to play. I guess if you have it and don't play it, then it's sort of useless plastic (unless you're a hoarder type, but I never got that impression from you). I can understand those who want to be the only one to have something, but I just don't really condone it. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, just not my style.

As for the California Raisins example...I'm not really sure how that item fell in value, since the person who got it got it for a few bucks in a pawn shop...I'm quite sure he could easily sell it for $800-$1000. If I didn't just make a big investment in something (I'll post soon about that), I'd buy it for $800 now if it were offered. It's a historical item...there's just no escaping that. Sure there's plenty of repros out there, but they are $50 or so, right? The original is easily recognizable...it'll still sell for big $ to the right buyer.

If it helps, I'll gladly buy a copy of the disc from you for a reasonable amount...it would be interesting to play on the real thing.

I guess it's best to decide what you really want out of the proto, and go from there. :)

-Rob

junglehunter

09-07-2005, 08:06 PM

I'm sure if more people ponied up some money then maybe the price would go down? You'd just need the amount that you paid, correct? :)

Hell, I don't even have a Mega CD (only a non-working Sega CD) and I'd be quite interested in paying for you to make a copy just for my collection.

I'm surprised all of the people asking for freebies here. I wouldn't expect any less than this, especially if I ever paid an exorbitant amount of money for an unreleased prototype. Be reasonable, people... ;)

roushimsx

09-07-2005, 08:20 PM

I'm surprised all of the people asking for freebies here. I wouldn't expect any less than this, especially if I ever paid an exorbitant amount of money for an unreleased prototype. Be reasonable, people... ;)

We all have our own morals. Personally, I think it's deplorable that someone would even think of selling bootleg copies of games for money (recreational pirating is one thing, but doing it for money is just plain fucked up).

Then again, I also don't see a problem with copying games for free for people that would otherwise never get a chance to play them. If you go to the Usenet now you'll be able to download cd images of Radiant Silvergun, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Shining Force III, Snatcher, etc and I don't see that hurting the ol' ebay market.

Original games are original games, and the availability of bootlegs will not affect the value of the original piece of work. In the same vein, one of a kind prototypes will always be one of a kind, no matter how many people you give the cd image to, you'll be the only one with the original.

But yea, I guess there's a big ol' rift here between the collectors and the players and everyone has their own view on what's morally right and whatnot.

Personally, I'd love to see this game released onto the net so that everyone could play it for themselves. I appreciate Adol's gesture in providing some low res screenshots (quick question: why bmp?), but I think it'd be interesting to see if the game would attract enough interest for someone to decide to hack it up and finish it off.

(and on a tangent, yes, I have spent a lot of my own money on hard to get stuff with the sole intention of putting it out there for everyone. No, I'm not a Commie)

CrimsonNugget

09-07-2005, 10:53 PM

Y'know, this is probably why other people don't show off their unreleased stuff - as soon as they do, they just get dozens of people saying "Go on, make me a copy of your very expensive proto and render the original worthless in the process" :roll:

Thanks for the pics Adol, and take no notice of all the leechers.
I don't see how dumping the game could render an ORIGINAL Mega CD-R worthless. You can burn, say, a Memorex CD-R but Mega CD-R's aren't really available off of store shelves.

ADD: ...and you guys are right, it is entirely up to the owner so they shouldn't feel pressured, but I personally would dump a proto if I had one.

ADD2: For the record: I don't want to come off as an asshole either. This is not a post begging for "ROMz plz", even if it was dumped, I probably wouldn't download it. I'm just saying what I think and what I'd do.

Garry Silljo

09-08-2005, 12:56 AM

Well, I agree with him. If he dumps the proto, original or not his copy will lose value once the game is readily available to all. The thing that makes his disc so valuable is not the type of disc it is. It's that he's the only one with the content.

Adol

09-08-2005, 08:59 AM

I agree with Garry Silljo...
I'll share WITH PLEASURE the game with you,for FREE,as long as i don't pay more than you for playing it,which means $0 ( except shipping charge,etc..)
And since i pay a huge amount,if there is way i can get that money back ( and not $1 more! ),and enjoy the game for same price than you,NO PROBLEM at all,i'm here to hear suggestions...

but i don't see WHY i'd have to pay $1500 to get the game,and not you,whatever "mega cdr is unique,blah blah"
When the game will be "released",i know FOR 1000% sure it'll lose in value,and that is something i can't afford..i don't believe that "because it is unique it'll still value much"..we're nott alking about $100 item here,but $1500 one!

When i paid that price for it, NOBODY helped me, no "collective" effort, nothing!

My point never was to make money about it,because ig ot it more than FIVE years ago,and if i wanted to make money,obvisouly i'd have made ISOs of it,and sell them for years...i never did that!

Today as well,my point is just to get that money back,no more,no less..if 300 ppl is ready to pay $5,i'll gladly do it..

but i don't think it'd be right that i'm the stupid guy who paid a big amount for it,and all other ppl get it for 1/200 of the price...

then i'm open to ANY suggestion...

Adol

09-08-2005, 09:13 AM

Too,for the BMP files,i made pics with an emu,and this emu save pictures in BMP format,that's all :)

THATinkjar

09-08-2005, 09:33 AM

Adol: I get the impression you regret buying it for $1,500. Am I right in thinking this? It seems that way, anyway. I agree with you, though: it was a bit cheeky for others to ask for free copies.

Adol

09-08-2005, 12:03 PM

No,i do NOT regret it at all..i just regret ppl asking it for free,not trying to be "in my place" and realize i won't give for free what i paid $1500...

but as told earlier, i'm open for suggestions, maybe Good Deal Games will works something with me.

My point is,if i'm going to not be the only owner anymore,then i just want my money back,that's all!

The game is JAPANESE Mega CD by the way...

DreamTR

09-08-2005, 02:11 PM

rbudrick wrote:
copies aren't going to make the original go down in value, as they aren't legit, and it's easy as hell figuring out which ones are real and which ones are copies. Think about it...do you really thing that Earthbound proto wouldn't fetch what it orignally did? Any collector worth his salt can tell a repro from an original. Seriously...I cannot think of a single example of a proto going down in value from a copy being made or the rom being distributed everywhere.

You are WRONG on this matter. Hero Quest (as sold by TRE on eBay only fetched a FRACTION of what it would have fetched if it was not already dumped. Of course, that version was different than the one at the time, granted. But still a good example.

As for California Raisins, it was NOT at a pawn shop, it was at Rhino Video Games in Florida. Privately, because the game was not dumped, offers of $3000 were in hand to the guy that had the game. AS soon as it was dumped (an there ARE multiple copies of an "original" that are around as well, he was only able to sell it for around $500.

If you think it's easy to tell a fake from a repro think again, they uses EPROMS and wiring that looks EXACTLY the same. Sure, there is a small label on this one, but not ALL Capcom prototypes have that type of label.

It's supply and demand. The market for those that collect unreleased prototypes is REALLY small, and once we figure out its' dumped, not many of us want to pay $$$ for it. This includes groups that want to "dump" the game. They themselves will have a ceiling regarding these prices as well. Why did Dragon Wars hit $1400 on eBay? It's not dumped. No one else would have bid even CLOSE to that.

Also, here is another example. That "original" Drac's Night Out that was dumped had open faced EPROMS, and no label. Who's to say that could not be a copy as well? There was a second with a label similar to mine that was discovered on eBay, no one is paying $1K plus for that.

You can ask most collectors, and even Adol understands that once it's out there, the value WILL go down unless it's a released game or a contest cart. There is more of a collectibility matter in that as opposed to prototype collectors that simply want the "real deal".

I have very few carts that have not been "dumped" that are unreleased. To save my investment, I would do the same thing Adol did, ask for a donation for the cost of the cart if everyone wants to play it. Most of the time when you do ask for that, people stop asking you because they just want to have the ability to play it, but don't understand how it is from a prototype collector's standpoint.

Adol

09-08-2005, 03:34 PM

Exactly DreamTR...and i don't want to "keep" the game for me,i did it for the last 5 yeats because i thought it'd have been dumped..but it's not!

Then to everyone: YES,i'm ok to share the game with everyone, but you'll have to make an effort, and then i'll just get the money i paid for it..no more,not less!
Example:if 149 persons areok to pay $10 for it,i'll be the 150th one,i'll "pay" (not exactly but well ) $10 exactly like you...

Please consider that maybe if i hadn't won it 5 years ago,the 2nd bidder of the auction,close to my bid, wouldn't even thought 1 sec about the possibility to "share" it the way i do now.

Elusive

09-08-2005, 03:37 PM

You all suck.

Whining that dumping an unreleased game will decrease the value of the game in the first place is foolish - first off, YOU were willing to pay big money to pay for it - as such what you do with it is YOUR concern. You're inferring you want to make money from releasing an ISO, but you also want to protect its value? Are you serious?

For the sake of it, I view protos along the same lines as pirated games - they are worthless in 'real world' terms. You're not getting the full version of the game, so what's the point in asking people to pony up big time for an ISO, or whatever?

BOTTOM LINE FOR YOU TL;DRers: copying games does not make the original 'lose value'. You pay what you think it's worth, end of story.

googlefest1

09-08-2005, 03:54 PM

dude, i'd stick with your original intentions

shareing the images !

don't be presured into giving up your big find

if you want to sell it - sell it

if you want to sell the original to one person for a high price then do that

but don't let your self be suckerd into loosing what you have

i belive the value will go down if you released ISOs

anagrama

09-08-2005, 03:57 PM

:deadhorse:

DreamTR

09-08-2005, 04:55 PM

Elusive:

I already proved that you lose value. Collectors will NOT pay the same amount for a game that is dumped. The value is increased based on the fact NO ONE HAS IT. Do you think that ANYONE is going to pay $1500 for that Mega CD game if it is dumped? Adol would not have bid that high if it was out there, there is no point. It's supply and demand. If there is only ONE copy, that copy is going to be worth a ton of money.

You can think what you want about protos not losing value, but if you aren't a proto collector and have dealt with this before, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Picture this:
BIp Force Ape for NES. If that thing hits eBay, it reaches $2000, easily. Why? It's not dumped. Everyone and their mother will be after that cart. Guess what happens when it's dumped? Put the same cart on eBay and watch the SAME bidders laugh. Do you think fefea, me, buyatari, nesgod, and the Dragon Wars winner will bid the same amounts? You're kidding yourself if you think it does not lose value. That's the "allure" of the whole thing.

I'll GLADLY dump my stuff now. Hell, I HAVE been, but I want the cash forked over that I paid for my crap.

Also, elusive, no one was talking about MAKING money, he was saying he just wanted back what he paid for it. If not, he will preserve the value you say is imaginary that people are willing to fork over the cash for.

rbudrick

09-08-2005, 05:45 PM

Dream TR, I'm not too familiar with the Drac's night out fiasco (the threads made my head spin, so I sorta refused to read them after a while because they got so convoluted...I'm sorta familiar with it, but the threads got so stupid), so I can't really comment too much on it. However, I have never seen a game in person that I couldn't tell if it was legit or not. Often, certain components were only made certain years, and it takes only a little research to figure this side of the equation out. Over the net, yeah, anything can be faked...but that's the buyer's problem...he or she should ask for more proof before investing. Whenever there's ambiguity on a proto, only a fool would buy.

Disc based games are even easier... Recordable discs have some very defining marks on then, especially official developer discs. But I'm preaching to the choir on these points, as you probably have more protos than anyone. It is uncommon for the disc protos to be on standard CDRs, but it happens. But even these discs have marks on them that point to when they were made, if nothing else, and if the game is different, that's a pretty good further indication. But again, seeing it in person (or in this case playing it), is usually foolproof to a trained eye. In the rare cases of ambiguity, leave it alone...there's enough fakes out there...why risk it? There should be enough reasonable evidence before a proto purchase. I guess all I'm saying is it's just not common to not be able to tell (I probably used way to many words to come to that point, lol).

Hero Quest (as sold by TRE on eBay only fetched a FRACTION of what it would have fetched if it was not already dumped.

What is this based on? Just curious. If it could have, then why didn't it? The same goes for California Raisins...could have, should have, didn't. It proves nothing if it didn't happen (the money actually changing hands).

Your supply and demand comment is correct. If there is still only one physical copy of a game in the world, the supply remains the same. A rom doesn't change that because only hardcore collectors are going to buy protos anyway, not the average joe rom hoarder. Of course, there is the extremely rare exception of a dumping group pooling their money for a game, but it is so rare that it would hardly skew my point. Maybe 1 out of 100 protos is bought by a group...too rare to matter. Indiviuals almost always buy them.

As for Dragon Wars...tell me the story behind it. Was it a dumping group or individual that bought it? Could it have been a fluke? Adol's disc is a prime example of a game fetching more than anybody would generally think it would go for (a fluke, really), so it's not improbable, just rare. Yes, his disc is unreleased, but he didn't know it (at least, his last post makes it seem so). Without knowing more facts about the story behind Dragon Wars, it's hard for me to say....but even if you are right on this one example, most proto sellers can never hope for this to ever happen...it is too rare an occurance and could also be considered a fluke.

So in the end, I will admit, you could possubly be right and I may very well be wrong in this matter, but only in very rare instances. There's no reason an example won't pop up someday (or has) where you are correct on this. But in general, I think my argument still stands very well (and maybe I was making too bold of a statement before, but really not by much) because what you are speaking of is by all means the exception, and not the rule. I don't know anything about the story behind Dragon Wars, but with these instances being so rare in comparison to all other proto sales (unreleased on released), it hardly matters. It could very well be the one example that makes a proto value drop.

On top of all this we've also seen unreleased protos go up for grabs that didn't fetch much at all...it's a weird market.

And hey, all these protos will go up in value over the next few years. Or maybe the few after that. LOL I'd be willing to guess the California Raisins original will indeed fetch that $3k someday, given the right buyer...like I said, it's a historical item.

And yes, Anagrama, I know, but it's just a discussion. If we collectors weren't nit-picky, who would do it for us? :D

@Elusive...what's with the hostility? Your post was great without that first line.

I think it should also be reiterated that Adol should not be pressured to do anything he doesn't want to. That's unfair in every way. I'm game for $10 if 148 others are too. Everyone wins that way, imo. Any ideas how to organize this, Adol? Maybe set up a site with a Paypal link so you can start a list? Some may not dig an upfront payment, but come on, he's reputable as far as I've ever seen.

-Rob

Adol

09-08-2005, 06:27 PM

Thanks
Yes,i wanted to bid $1500 to win the game,and i did it!
So far,i'm the ONLY owner on this Earth ( maybe,who knows.. ) to have this game...and for me,that's WORTH $1500

Now,after 5 years having it,and since i'm a big collector on TONS of systems, and because some Mega CD community fans wanted to see pics,i made some...

Now, because they're happy with pics but WANT MORE,i CAN share it,but under my conditions,which are reasonable,and i'm not here to make any profit,but just being fair,and not pay more than other for playing the game

I got email from Good Deal games,i'll see what's going on

Now,for the list...of course we could do that...but if finally i manage to get 149 ppl...WHO will "keep" the original Mega CDRs? me?
If i sell those to Good Deal Games, as an exemple, they get original mega cdr,and make their release,and that's done.

But in the "list option",i'll just have to buy 149 CDRs,make ISOs,and ship everything (damn that'd do near 700$ of shipping easily!i forgot that.. )

jajaja

09-08-2005, 06:40 PM

I also do belive that the value of a game will drop if the ROM/image is avalible on internet. Besides, its much cooler (and more valueable) to have a game that no one else have.

So I fully understand why you wont make a image Adol. If I owned a prototype that wasnt dumped and I was the only person who owned a copy (except the developers) I would never make a ROM/image of it.

DreamTR

09-08-2005, 06:48 PM

rbudrick: The original owner of CR decided it was best to donate it, then was offered IIRC around $500 from someone in the group, and that was that. The $3000 offer was OFF the table because it was readily available.

"Most" Proto collectors for unreleased stuff do not collect it for looks or authenticity. They collect them because they are not out in anyone else's hands. I myself would NOT pay more than $400-500 for a game that is dumped and on the web and unreleased. I would gladly pay more money for something that no one else has or has access to. Because the group is so small, this is how proto collecting works to the 8-10 people that care most about unreleased games.

As for disk protos, the majority of the "real" ones came on DVDrs or CDRs anyway. Most companies just sent em out on any old thing. It's the 'data' you have to compare and contrast in order to figure out of it is different or not. I don't see too many people making burns of released games, it's not worth the effort.

Vroomfunkel

09-08-2005, 06:53 PM

:deadhorse:

You've been waiting especially to use that one, haven't you? :D

... and I agree entirely with the usage here. Good grief, the guy is sharing pics of a game you never saw before and probably never knew existed, and all you can do is whinge that he won't give you a free copy of it?

Get a life!

It's like someone letting you listen to an unreleased Hendrix demo, and then you bitching at them because they won't mp3 it and email you a copy. Be grateful for what you got!

Vroomfunkel

Adol

09-08-2005, 06:54 PM

Well,my Mega CDRs are easily recognizable,with sega trademark
here are the pics of my babies:

http://www.eidolons-inn.net/segabase/CD-BurningFists.html

That webpage (from someone else,not me)hasn't been updated for years,bit the pics shown are MY MEGA CDRs,writings are exactly the same

and i was the winner of the ebay auction :)

DreamTR

09-08-2005, 07:03 PM

Dragon Wars was some crazy Norwegian guy who is not dumping it. He has purchased from me before.

hydr0x

09-08-2005, 07:13 PM

:deadhorse:

You've been waiting especially to use that one, haven't you? :D

i think so too... sorry won't comment on the topic ;)

TEXASGAMEPLAYER

09-08-2005, 07:28 PM

Adol

09-08-2005, 07:54 PM

Sniderman

09-08-2005, 07:55 PM

$1500 blah blah blah blah $1500 $1500 blah blah blah blah
$1500 blah blah blah blah $1500 blah blah blah blah$1500 blah blah blah blah$1500 blah blah blah blah$1500 blah blah blah blah$1500 blah blah blah blah

I'll counter with:
STFU asshat blah blah blah blah STFU asshat STFU asshat blah blah blah blah STFU asshat blah blah blah blah STFU asshat blah blah blah blah STFU asshat blah blah blah blah STFU asshat blah blah blah blah STFU asshat blah blah blah blah STFU asshat blah blah blah blah

DreamTR

09-08-2005, 08:05 PM

LOL

chaoticjelly

09-08-2005, 08:12 PM

Of course the game will drop in value.

Adol just hold onto it and sell it on ebay in 5 years, maybe I can afford it then, looks like an extremely cool game.

Garry Silljo

09-09-2005, 01:16 AM

I already said my piece so I won't further the endless debate too much. However I would like to make sure I thank Adol for sharing the images, and although I have already stated I believe he should NOT dump the game and give the whiners free copies, I did think of something I would like for free. The images are great, but is there anyway we could see video of the game in action? That would be cool. If you don't have the means, so be it, but since none of us can play it, maybe we could get a feel of the gameplay by seeing it in action? I know that wouldn't be enough for most of the "Dump it now!" posters, but I think it's a damn good compromise (not that you should even feel obligated to make one).

Adol

09-09-2005, 06:55 AM

Well,there is NO emu for Mega CD with video capture :(

Garry Silljo

09-09-2005, 10:49 AM

Oh, well. The pictures are cool enough then. Thanks a lot for sharing all of them.

rbudrick

09-09-2005, 06:27 PM

Now,for the list...of course we could do that...but if finally i manage to get 149 ppl...WHO will "keep" the original Mega CDRs? me?

Hey Adol,

I have successfully sent CDRs with a single stamp before. You just have to use 2 envelopes to fit over it. So, 37 cents x149=$55.13+envelope costs= approximately $65.13 (I guess..not sure how much standard envelopes cost). Even if it costs $75 for these (rounding up a bit, I think), it's still only 50 cents extra per buyer.

And yes, you keep the CD...shit, you found it and went through the trouble...why shouldn't you keep it? Screw anybody if they don't like that, heh heh. LOL

LOL @ Sniderman. That's already classic.... LOL

My Mega CDRs all look like the ones in the pic, only mine have a blueish theme rather than the orangeish theme going on there.

Turbo protos are usually early 90s era CDRs (1, maybe 2x). At least, I've never seen an "official" labelled one.

-Rob

Adol

09-09-2005, 07:02 PM

Buddy,i'm in FRANCE,and i barely think envelope to USA would be $0.37
Check usps prices for sending an envelope to France :)

I pay CDRs by 100 for $16 or so,let's say $0.20 max
$0.20...add $0.10 if you a slimcase to protect it...and then ship it..bubblewrapped envelope by 100 is like $0.25-$0.30...then to USA, 80g package would be around $3..

the way to save on shipping would be to make all the CDRs and ship to one person in USA,who will "split" them by sending those separately..that'd save a lot on shippings...let's say $70 for shipping all the games,in separate bubblewrap envelopes, all in 1 big package shipped to someone..and then your "system" will work,since the stuff would be in USA..

chaoticjelly

09-09-2005, 07:24 PM

Adol if you are running the game in an Emu then you can download a program to your PC called "FRAPS"

Its very easy to use and can take a video of anything on your PC ;)

TheRedEye

09-09-2005, 09:33 PM

When i paid that price for it, NOBODY helped me, no "collective" effort, nothing!

Mm. And how many people did you ask?

EDIT: To further elaborate, I don't buy unreleased games by myself. Everything I've acquired has been in group efforts, with the largest amount of people paying the smallest amounts of money to get the same game in the end. I find it much easier and less expensive than getting into bidding wars. And since I only paid $50-100 for the game, its "market value" means jack shit to me. After selling the things (at a loss, because dumping a game decrieases its market value), I even get my share kicked back, so in the end the amount of money I pay to play an unreleased videogame is often less than buying a new game at the store. Maybe I'm just insane, but this seems a lot easier, less expensive, and less stressful than getting into bidding wars and having a $1,500 CD-R that I don't know what to do with.

Garry Silljo

09-10-2005, 01:52 AM

Who said he doesnt know what to do with it? He knew what he wanted to do with it. However all the people who don't want to pay for anything confused the situation. He wanted to buy an unreleased game, and maintain sole ownership while sharing knowlege and pictures of the game existance, and he has, and we should thank him. Quit fussing about shipping of copies that most likely won't and shouldn't be made. Appreciate what you got.

Adol

09-10-2005, 08:20 AM

I tried FRAPS,and it is useless,theydon't record your screen,only when you play a PC Game,using direct x etc..

I managed to make a video of the game under Gens emulator,using River Soft Screen Recorder Pro, but for some obscure reasons sometimes during the 3mn video,the animation LAGS...when the original game doesn't at all! So don't blame me for that please :)
Too,i don't play very well since i don't know the special moves of each character,i'd have to try the game deeper that i did...this is a 6 button pad game,etc..

But here is the video,41mb or so ( hadn't time to compress it sorry )

http://fantasyzoneparis.free.fr/images/burning%20fists.avi

Let me know what you think..

PS: for the 2nd Mega CDR,as told earlier,it doesn't work on EMUs,then i have no way to show you the video intro they made on that one..

Sardius

09-10-2005, 03:53 PM

Let me know what you think..

I think you paid $1500 for a generic Genesis-quality fighting game. Nicely done!

Also I don't think anyone's going to be donating to your dumping cause now that they know they'd be better off playing Weaponlord or Brutal or Cosmic Carnage or something instead.

"100% SEGA TASTED" gave me a good laugh though.

Adol

09-10-2005, 05:37 PM

Lol,and you think California Raisins is great?
That Off the Wall on PC Engine is great?

Rarity has NOTHING to do with quality of the game...absolutely nothing!

and again

Feel free to see if you want an unreleased game or not,for $10...if not,no problem...it is worth every $ paid...i own a video game,made from SEGA,for Mega Cd,that NOBODY on this planet owns.

Thank you buddy,you gave me a GREAT opinion about all the jealous morons you represent...

fishsandwich

09-10-2005, 05:50 PM

TheRedEye

09-10-2005, 06:28 PM

THE APOSTLES IS COMING!

It certainly looked polished. And the transition in-between fights was kind of neat. But um, why did he travel to Italy to fight a fat American soldier?

Adol

09-11-2005, 05:29 AM

I have no idea :)

The character you encounter has nothing to do with stage you battle in...

Sosage

09-11-2005, 06:30 AM

What about that drag car...the driver must be huge! Thanks for the video and screens.

As for selling copies...I am a little confused about what is going on in this thread. Are you in talks with Good Deal Games? Are you looking for interest in getting a group to pay 10 bucks for a burn? I'm not trying to add to beating the dead horse...I'll just say that I'd rather pay for a copy that I can play than see the lone copy packed away in a closet, where absolutely no one will be able to try it (regardless of quality). *shrug*

jajaja

09-11-2005, 06:32 AM

lol ye, i was thinking about the same thing with the drag racing car. The back wheel must be atleast 2 meters tall. Otherwise it looks like a decent fighting game.

Adol

09-11-2005, 07:56 AM

Geddon_jt

09-11-2005, 08:15 AM

I wait an answer from Good Deal Games if something could work out with them ( maybe they can fix the final boss problem,make cover&instructions,i don't know..)

Otherwise i'm open to hear how many would be interested in the game...if 150 persons are ok ( which isn't THAT big for all Mega CD/Sega CD Fans around the world),i'll be ok for $10..which isn't THAT big for an unreleased game...

50 ppl for$30 will be ok though.....but by seeing some reactions, ppl don't care about it

I, for one, am certainly interested in a copy of this game, and will donate $40 towards a "fund" to get a burn of it.

Adol's offer is completely reasonable, why shouldn't he be able to recoup his investment in exchange for us being able to play the game? He's out $1500, there may be 1 out of 100 people on this site who have the nuts to dish that out on a single game.

If every collector who owned unreleased games were willing to dump/reproduce them in exchange for a recoup of investment, WE, the game community, would have the power to play and enjoy every unreleased game. If only it were the case.

THATinkjar

09-11-2005, 08:18 AM

I would be happy to contribute, also.

TEXASGAMEPLAYER

09-11-2005, 09:08 AM

I will put up some money! LEt ME KNOW!! (how much, when, where..ect)

Adol

09-11-2005, 02:21 PM

Well i'll chekc if something works out with GDG,otherwise i'll have to create a "topic" for that list :)

fishsandwich

09-12-2005, 09:38 AM

Feel free to see if you want an unreleased game or not,for $10...if not,no problem...it is worth every $ paid...i own a video game,made from SEGA,for Mega Cd,that NOBODY on this planet owns.

So... even though a *team* of people worked on this game, updating and saving their hard work and most certainly making CD back-ups and copies to various harddrives, you somehow ended up with the ONLY surviving copy on the ENTIRE PLANET?

Congrats, man. That's really something!

LOL

suppafly

09-12-2005, 10:16 AM

Im willing to pay for a copy too. I just want to play a new sega cd game. I dont care about rarity or anything else.

its just about the GAMES , not the rarity

thanks!

rbudrick

09-12-2005, 11:04 AM

suppafly

09-12-2005, 11:12 AM