Eathbound 2 / Mother 3 [Archive] - Retrogaming Roundtable

Nes

09-06-2005, 10:21 PM

Surely somebody here can help this guy out. This is the best news Earthbound fans have heard in a long time. It could be nothing, but my hopes are already up.

From the starmen.net forum:

That's right. I have 4 N64dd Blue discs labelled M3. I've been asking around for help and was forwarded to this site. We are not sure they are Mother 3. But they were sold to me as that from a reliable source. Has anyone managed to get a N64dd dev system running? Has anyone dumped a dev disk before? I was told that someone here might have the knowledge to do it.
I own:
N64dd dev system
blank blue disks
DCC Board and N64Joint
Cartridge that says disk (is it an iplrom cart? the manual says the kit came with one)

If anyone has any info I would really appreciate it if they could share it with me. Or post on the assembler forums (pic posted) or the n64dd.net forums. Those are the two places discussion has popped up so far.

Thanks

In Reply:

We're all a bunch of cynics here, so we need proof. Namely: PICS. NOW.

P.S. For those interested, I think I found the links to the topics this guy is talking about.
@ 64DD.Net (http://web20.emedian.net/64ddnet/board/viewtopic.php?t=251)

@ ASSEMblergames (scroll about halfway down) (http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3502&page=2)

EDIT: Found SEXAY pics. I know you guys can just read the topic, but it's nice to have an easy link. http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img02178oi.jpg

kainemaxwell

09-06-2005, 10:39 PM

Very impressive, I wish him luck!

studvicious

09-07-2005, 12:11 AM

If that turns out to be a playable Mother 3 (EB64) then all I can say is.... wow. :eek 2: What a find! Here's hoping...

Cryomancer

09-07-2005, 03:07 AM

Please please please

hezeuschrist

09-07-2005, 03:18 AM

Would be the first game i would more than happily emulate to play.

jajaja

09-07-2005, 03:58 AM

Isnt it in japanese? How can it be fun to play a jap RPG with no japanese knowledge hehe.

studvicious

09-07-2005, 04:53 AM

I'm sure someone would be able to translate it rather quickly, and if they didn't I'd still play it. 8-)

On a seperate note, since this was designed for the 64DD does that mean we would need one to play it? (I really hope not!)

dj898

09-07-2005, 05:40 AM

it's for 64DD Dev and 64DD and 64DD Dev are different beast all together... from my understanding on top of the 64DD Dev setup but will also need IPL(?) ROM as well to run it - if it's indeed M3 Dev disc... well it's blue Dev disc alright... O_O

hydr0x

09-07-2005, 06:33 AM

I'm sure someone would be able to translate it rather quickly, and if they didn't I'd still play it. 8-)

eeeeh no, are there ANY N64 translations yet? i don't think it's easy to do, SNES is bitchy enough already

dj898

09-07-2005, 06:46 AM

On a seperate note, since this was designed for the 64DD does that mean we would need one to play it? (I really hope not!)

Yes but since this is dev blue disc you will need 64DD Dev plus IPL ROM cart to run the disc... No you can't run dev disc on retail 64DD unfortunately... nor without IPL ROM cart... :(

Cryomancer

09-07-2005, 07:49 AM

Do any N64 emulators support DD games? If not, this would probably boost the developement, heh.

dj898

09-07-2005, 08:01 AM

from my understanding no 64DD games been dumped yet... 8-)

Promophile

09-07-2005, 10:24 AM

If these are proven I'd pay out my ass for a copy.

mills

09-07-2005, 11:37 AM

sick, cant wait to see how this pans out, please keep us updated.

studvicious

09-07-2005, 03:37 PM

hydr0x

09-07-2005, 06:10 PM

eeeeh no, are there ANY N64 translations yet? i don't think it's easy to do, SNES is bitchy enough already

I understand. But when it comes to EB you never know what people will do. There are some die-hard fans who would make it happen I'm sure. Even if it's just a .txt file that has a translated script.

well, a translated .txt, yeah, that's possible, but the actual hack? no way, see, there only are like a dozen people who can do good snes hacks, none of those are interested in N64, and i don't know a single skilled hacker who is :/

Daria

09-07-2005, 07:23 PM

roushimsx

09-07-2005, 07:36 PM

Forget n64. You just need one die hard rom hacker that's into Earthbound.

Exactally.

Also, once someone figures out how to dump this, it'll be the shot in the arm that 64DD emulation needs. Who knows, maybe Mupen64 and pj64 will grow to support it? (Mupen64 would probably be the best bet since it's open source and actively being developed)

On a sidenote, have you ever wondered if maybe the lack of N64 translations is directly caused by the lack of games that need them? Seriously, there's like 3 Japanese games anyone wants to play (Evangelion, Bangaioh, and Sin & Punishment) and none of them require translations.

The_Kodiak65

09-07-2005, 10:48 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/EXTREME-RARE-NINTENDO-N-64-64DD-DEVELOPMENT-TOOL-PARTS_W0QQitemZ8215941238QQcategoryZ62054QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

found this on the bay, has everthing needed to check the disc...i think, fuck, i dont know, i just got really bored

dj898

09-07-2005, 11:22 PM

if I'm not mistaken that auction is missing DCC board necessary as well as IPL ROM cart... also from what I heard you need Dev PC running IPL program to load so yea it won't be easy to setup the dev system just load the things...

p.s. heard someone claimed to dump 64DD games but as no proof came out it's just a rumour I'd guess...

rbudrick

09-08-2005, 11:05 AM

Jesus christ! Here's something I never thought would have a shot at ever seeing the light of day! I hope if these get dumped and emulated that the data was far along in the dev cycle......I heard they had quite a bit of M3 done, but canned it anyway.

Crossing my fingers...I really wish I could help contribute with this project, but I'll have to sit idly by and watch...

Can't wait to see how this unfolds...

-Rob

Blur2040

09-08-2005, 06:52 PM

Who says it's going to get dumped?

dj898

09-08-2005, 08:07 PM

which is funny since they can't even load the disc to confirm what they have are indeed M3 Dev disc... let alone dumping anything... :p

Jorpho

09-08-2005, 08:47 PM

I doubt it could be much more than the E3 demo.

Wasn't Zelda OOT translated into several foreign languages by fans?
http://www.zophar.net/newtrans/?op=show&type=italy_n64

aaron7

09-09-2005, 01:08 PM

Damn... so cool! Why couldn't they make things easier?? LOL

coreycorey2000

09-10-2005, 12:10 AM

Never even thought about checking here.

I need to track down a Partner4 and a flash cartridge the 64dd software would be great too. If anyone has any leads I'd greatly appreciate it!

Thiese disks may be blank. Very few people know how to boot these disks. I'm not lucky enough to be one of them but some really nice people are helping me. One of them knows how to boot them :)

I didn't think it was possible to boot them awhile ago. I was going to try but didn't think I'd get anywhere. Now it's possible. I didn't think they could be dumped but that might very well be possible too. Or we might be able to put them on flash carts.... that should be cheap enough for the average person.

Nes

09-10-2005, 02:59 AM

If these are proven I'd pay out my ass for a copy.

As soon as you give up your Earthbound poster.

coreycorey2000

09-28-2005, 08:53 PM

If anyone is interested conversation still thrives at assembler and starmen.net forums. I'd be more than glad to discuss it here but it doesn't seem like anyone is interested.

hezeuschrist

09-28-2005, 09:01 PM

Oh we're most certainly interested, but most of us would be no help whatsoever. But we would certainly enjoy any updated info you get on what is actually on the discs.

hezeuschrist

09-28-2005, 09:01 PM

Bleh, doublepost.

rbudrick

09-29-2005, 01:07 PM

Yes, definitely. Please do keep us posted. I can't wait to hear how this turns out...

-Rob

mills

09-29-2005, 02:23 PM

Like he said we areabsolutely interested in this, just unable to offer much help. But please, keep us informed!

coreycorey2000

03-21-2006, 12:21 AM

I read the forums here almost daily but I still forgot about this topic. As many of you will probbaly know I have found a Blue Partner64 debugger. It's been confirmed that the cartridge I have is the IPLRom cart. I found a NU64 flash gang writer. And a N64 flash cart. I need to find the correct SCSI cable so that I can hook up the flash writer and flash IPL4rom to the flash cart. I'm having a hard time figuring out what SCSI cable I need. I thought it was HD50 to HD68 but it appears I may be wrong.

rbudrick

03-21-2006, 11:46 AM

Hi Corey,

I responded to your assemblergames thread a few days ago:

http://assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=135786#post135786

That is the cable you need (3ft and 6ft listed). Let me know if you need any more help! :)

-Rob

mills

03-21-2006, 01:16 PM

THank you for keeping us updated, I have been wondering lately what you have been up to!

I keep telling myself that this could be a metroid 4 game.

coreycorey2000

05-11-2006, 07:44 PM

Just found out I need to find a HD50 to Mini Centronics 50 SCSI cable. This should allow me to hook up the Nu64 Flash Gang Writer to flash IPL4Rom to a blank cartridge. If anyone has one of these kicking around please let me know. Even if you can find one for a reasonable price please let me know. I cna't find one on ebay. I have a seller who says he can sell me one for $18 plus shipping. I may have to go that route. But hopefully it can be found cheaper. Because it appears I need several more pieces of development hardware before I can boot the disks.

kentuckyfried

05-11-2006, 08:42 PM

This is fantastic stuff. And a great, elusive franchise to boot. I wish you the best of luck!

Snapple

05-11-2006, 08:53 PM

I unfortunately do not have the wire that you need, but I am very interested in your potential findings, as all of my fellow Earthbound fans I'm sure are, too.

rbudrick

05-12-2006, 10:07 AM

SCSI cables are usually pretty darn expensive, and these ones are pretty rare. Not sure if you saw the post over at Assemblergames, but these are the ones you would need (one or the other):

NumSKU Mfg. Part PCC Product Name Price
196912 S432-003 External Double Shielded SCSI Cable (HD68M-Cent50M), 3ft, S432-003 $33.95
196913 S432-006 External Double Shielded SCSI Cable (HD68M-Cent50M), 6ft, S432-006 $29.95

I can get you a very significant discount on these (with shipping, it would still be under the prices above). PM me for more exact figures. I have these immediately available.

-Rob

Jorpho

05-12-2006, 10:40 AM

I thought he needed an HD50 cable. (Or could you get away with a 68-pin to 50-pin adapter in a case like this?)

rbudrick

05-12-2006, 01:34 PM

Iirc, he said to look at a certain Dreamcast dev unit's port. I counted the pins on it, and I'm pretty sure it was 68 pin.

If that is incorrect now, then I can get some new part numbers pretty easily. Best bet now is to post pics of the actual ports themselves.

-Rob

coreycorey2000

05-12-2006, 05:33 PM

It turns out the port on the dreamcast wasn't the same as the port on the Nu64. The dreamcast was indeed an HD50. Which is the same as the port on an Adaptec 2940U scsi controller card. The connector on the NU64 is the exact same size as a HD50 (which explains my confusion). But it appears to be a centronics port. So what I need is an
HD50 to mini centronics 50.

I've been quoted this price from one of the big scsi sellers on ebay.
3ft version order C03-MMHC5-HD5 $14.95

That doesn't include shipping though. I'll probably pick one up but I have to wait a couple weeks to have spare money floating around again.

rbudrick

05-15-2006, 11:42 AM

Hmmm...I don't see that part number anywhere, not even in google. Who makes it?

-Rob

rbudrick

05-15-2006, 12:31 PM

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/rbudrick/M03-1164.jpg

Ok, well Centronics 50 is almost never called mini Centronis 50, but here's the cable you need. I called the manufacturer to get a picture, as their site is down for construction (Micro Connectors, Inc.). I believe they buy their stuff from Belkin anyway and put their name on it, so whatever.

Pricing:

NumSKU PCC Product Name Price
212755 6Ft. SCSI-2 HD50M/CENT 50M (M03-1164) $10.34

However, I'll sell it to you for $6.10 (almost cost). Shipping is, unfortunately, 9.49 via UPS ground (anything under a pound here is that price), but I can do USPS Priority mail (no tracking, unfortunately) for 5.47.

-Rob

Jorpho

05-15-2006, 04:15 PM

Do you have access to lots of obscure SCSI stuff, Mr. Budrick?

rbudrick

05-15-2006, 04:47 PM

Do you have access to lots of obscure SCSI stuff, Mr. Budrick?

Oh yeah. Sho nuff. (opens trench coat) Whaddaya need?

-Rob

coreycorey2000

05-15-2006, 05:57 PM

That looks like a regular centronics 50. I need the special centronics mini 50.
http://www.cablemakers.com/connector.html
They list both. The mini is much smaller than a regular centronics 50.

I'm almost positive the one terminator I purchased was a regular centronics 50 and it was way too large to fit. It looked like the one in the picture you just posted.

rbudrick

05-16-2006, 03:17 PM

Wow...I guess my tech and I were both mistaken. I really didn't know there was a mini Centronics 50. Apparently, the connector is exceedingly rare...used on almost nothing. Black Box and Belkin don't have anything with such a connector, with a BlackBox rep saying they never did, which is amazing in itself, since there's almost nothing BB didn't carry or make at some point. The rep did say, however, that they could build one, given the proper pinout.

I must say that this goes beyond the reach of my rare SCSI item-finding skills.

-Rob

coreycorey2000

05-16-2006, 05:33 PM

rbudrick, Thank you for trying. If the one lead i have doesn't pan out then I will contact Blackbox and see if they can make one. Actually there is one other idea I have had. You can find mini centronics cables on ebay. But they are usually DB25 or centronics50. It might be easier to buy one of them and buy a DB25 to HD50 convertor or a centronics50 to HD50 convertor. I know nothing about scsi other than the research I have done for this project. Will using a convertor cause any problems? I'm hoping it will be easier to buy a convertor than it will be to find this elusive cable. I noticed some sites listed it as rare. I was hoping it wouldn't be quite this rare. Again thank you, I really appreciate you helping out!

coreycorey2000

05-16-2006, 08:26 PM

My lead came through! By the last email he sent me I wasn't sure if he was talking about a regular centronics or a mini centronics. It'll cost $20US which is less than I was thinking. As soon as I come up with $20US I'll oreder it.

"Hi:

Yes, we know the difference.
See these adapters for size difference CN50/HCN50
http://www.mcpb.com/html/adp.mhc50.50f.html
http://www.mcpb.com/html/adp.fhc50.50m.html

We'll need to know what size cable you want to order same:
> 3ft version order C03-MMHC5-HD5 $14.95

> 6ft version order C06-MMHC5-HD5 $17.95

Shipping/handling to Canada via global priority (~5-7 day) service:
For 3ft version $4.95 (small pouch).
For 6ft version $7.95 (large pouch).

(note: all pricing in USD).

Payment via paypal is fine to this email account.
Thank you for your inquiry!

Best Regards,
Jeff Smith/Mktg. Mgr.
MC Price Breakers"

rbudrick

05-17-2006, 05:13 PM

Awesome, Corey. I hear adapters should work, but I put little faith in them when it comes to SCSI! LOL LOL Not from experience or anything...I'm just suspicious of it, that's all. Can't say it's for any good reason other than SCSI is just completely overly complicated, and with old equipment I tend to think things can get hairier much more easily by changing one little thing.

I sure hope your lead turns out...You've had so many setbacks with this project, I'm taking a wait and see approach. ;) I just really want to see this work for you (and every other EB fan, of course).

-Rob

coreycorey2000

06-09-2006, 05:56 PM

Well I have the money to buy the right Scsi cable. But the software I was sent to use the Nu64 Flash Gang writer had a virus on it. My computer wouldn't let me open it. Intelligent systems has a website where the software can be downloaded. However it is in Japanese. I know no Japanese whatsoever. So I can't find it. If anyone understands Japanese please let me know. Once I have the software downloaded I'll order the cable. I also need to redownload the Partner 64 floppies. The person who uploaded them for me the first time around isn't responding to messages anymore. I'll post on Assembler looking for the floppies right now. So I need 2 pieces of software before the cable will do me any good.

coreycorey2000

06-13-2006, 06:09 PM

I have located the last of the software/hardware that I need!

It is up for sale on ebay. I kindly ask that if you are interested but do not NEED it please leave it be. I will be bidding on this. It contains
Partner 64 System black (Possibly need if my Blue one does not work properly)
Partner 64 Cartridge (Assembler says I need this to boot the disks)
Partner 64 Floppies (They contain the IPL4rom program that I have to flash to a blank N64 cart)

Those are the pieces I need. If I win this auction. Which I will try my hardest to do, I will then buy the scsi cable. That will give me everything I need to finally see what is on these disks.

I was going to keep this as much of a secret as possible until after the auction. But I hope people will be kind enough to leave the auction alone.

Thanks

drwily008

06-14-2006, 01:20 AM

Dude, I wish you the best of luck! As a fellow fan I cannot wait to see the outcome.

I remember seeing screenshots of this game in a magazine back in the day. I was so excited about it......then dissappointed when it didn't come out.

GOOD LUCK!

coreycorey2000

06-21-2006, 07:33 PM

Unfortunately due to a car accident on Friday I couldn't win this auction. $400 was in my mind a fair price and I wouldn't have minded paying that at all.

GizmoGC

06-22-2006, 12:41 AM

So we will never see the true Mother 3?

67dash

06-22-2006, 12:59 AM

None of the rabid Earthbound/Mother fans are willing to help you out? Although I do understand you not wanting anyone else having a stake in this if it turns out to be for real, but still. You would think someone would help just because it has Mother written on it. Those guys are more rabid than futbol fans.

rbudrick

06-22-2006, 03:42 PM

Corey, sorry to hear about the wreck!

I reccomend esnipe.com so you never have to worry about missing an auction end again. They are very inexpensive to use.

So how about contacting the winner of the auction? Maybe they will still sell to you or maybe make you a copy?

Lol...mentioned on ndsupdates.com:

http://ds.qj.net/index.php?&threshold=&upto=1150832870

-Rob

coreycorey2000

09-15-2006, 06:41 PM

I'm back on track with this project. But the winner of the auction doesn't seem to want to help out. I've sent him emails asking to borrow a couple items and he isn't interested, I've offered to rent, I've offered to buy, I've even offered to trade (things of higher value even). So that auction seesm to be a lost cause. If anyone sees a Partenr 64 kit for sale PLEASE let me know. I can afford it now. Or if anyone has one for trade. I have quite a few valuable items that might interest you.

Also the Blue disks were mentioned in issue #1 of N-Gamer Magazine. No article just a mention. If anyone knows of any other mags they have been in please let me know.

coreycorey2000

10-17-2007, 07:05 PM

I thought some people might like an update. I just acquired a Partner 64 kit. All it is missing is the software. So now I have all of the hardware necessary.

If anyone has the software for sale or knows someone who has the software please let me know.

Daria

12-28-2009, 08:58 PM

I wonder if this ever went anywhere. :/

SplashChick

12-28-2009, 09:03 PM

This would be pretty awesome. However, from the screenshots I've seen it seems EB64 would have had the same storyline as Mother 3.

gokugohandave

12-29-2009, 10:25 AM

I actually contacted corey when I saw his name on ebay. He said most of the disks turned out to be doshin the giant and mario artist I think it was. Its too bad they werent a Mother 3 beta. I wonder if I still have the email....

EDIT: sorry cant find the email but I tracked all the threads covering this last year and read all the posts, then one day I saw a coreycorey in canada on ebay and asked him if it was the one and only. He said it was and that the disks did not contain any mother 3 datat and were just betas of doshin and mario artist.

Daria

12-29-2009, 10:47 AM