The 'rebirth of Sonic' [Archive] - Retrogaming Roundtable

THATinkjar

09-09-2005, 05:31 AM

Along with Sonic Riders (as discussed here (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69886)), Sega have also unveiled the next iteration of the popular, yet somewhat misguided as of late, Sonic series. Due for release on the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in 2006, 'Sonic the Hedgehog' is being described as a "re-invention" of the classic franchise. Yuji Naka (when was he last involved?) is heading up the game's development, while character designer Naoto Ohshima is involved as well.

Naka said (courtesy of GameSpoy): "We are proud to re-create our famous friend, Sonic, for a new generation of gamers on PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360," said Naka. "With Sonic the Hedgehog, we have gone back to our starting point, more than 15-years ago, to reinvent the attitude and speed that made our hero a legend. The 'rebirth of Sonic' will offer an unparalleled sense of speed that is only possible using the processing power afforded by the new systems."

Obviously, little is known about the game at this point. The screenshots (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/sonicthehedgehog/screenindex.html) (if indeed they are in-game screenshots) fail to offer any hint of what the gameplay might offer.

Will Sega's 'rebrith of Sonic' be a success?

anagrama

09-09-2005, 05:48 AM

I fail to see how, from the basis of 4 screenshots and a very brief statement that gives away no details, anyone could vote for anything other than "Too early to tell".

THATinkjar

09-09-2005, 06:15 AM

I fail to see how, from the basis of 4 screenshots and a very brief statement that gives away no details, anyone could vote for anything other than "Too early to tell".

Base your opinion on recent Sonic efforts. Base your opinion on what we do know. Base your opinion on a gut instinct.

You can still have an opinion, even if it isn't a particularly well-informed one. Sheesh.

anagrama

09-09-2005, 06:19 AM

You mean a poll based entirely on groundless speculation then? Hell, that never happens on DP... LOL

Leroy

09-09-2005, 08:04 AM

I've always thought Sonic the character and the games were very poor.

njiska

09-09-2005, 08:47 AM

It's hard to say whether or not the rebirth will be a success, Sega's had a really piss-poor track record lately. Here's hoping though cause i miss the fun of classic Sonic.

I've always thought Sonic the character and the games were very poor.

Oh come on like he's worse then any other Character from the era? A super-fast hedgehog who is trying to save his forest home from the evil Dr. Eggman? Doesn't sound any worse then an italian plumber in shroom land trying to rescue a princess from a big lizard and his minions. However i will agree that most of the games in the sonic weren't very inspiring. However Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Sonic and Knuckles and Sonic CD are really fun solid games. The rest of the core games i can take or leave and the off shoots are mostly terrible.

njiska

09-09-2005, 08:53 AM

I fail to see how, from the basis of 4 screenshots and a very brief statement that gives away no details, anyone could vote for anything other than "Too early to tell".

Well there's a very simple answer to that question and here it is:

Base your opinion on recent Sonic efforts. Base your opinion on what we do know. Base your opinion on a gut instinct.

You can still have an opinion, even if it isn't a particularly well-informed one. Sheesh.

See blind faith and pure hatred. If you'd like to "be intimate" with the Blue Hedgehog, you think it's the greatest thing ever. If you want to kill the Blue Hedgehog and burn his forest to the ground then you think it's gonna be shit. If you have an semblance of an unbiased opinion or rationality, then you know it's way to early to tell. Honestly with Sonic games you can't really make a call until the game is out.

Oh and does anyone else fear that Sonic racer's could be the next Sonic R? Chills run down my spine.

joshnickerson

09-09-2005, 04:40 PM

Sonic Team should just stick to 2-D games. That's what they're good at and that's what they should make.

If I had to base my decision around the latest Sonic titles, I'd have to say it's just gonna be another piss poor 3-D Sonic game. It'll probably just be Sonic Adventure with beefed up graphics and the same problems the 3-D episodes have had for years now.

Oh, and Njiska, as soon as I read about Sonic Riders, horrible visions of Sonic R began to run through my mind, so you're not alone. LOL

RCM

09-09-2005, 04:57 PM

I thought Sonics parts in the Adventure series were great and Sonic Heroes wasn't bad at all. Like I said in another thread, a friend told me that he hears this new Sonic will be Sonic only. I hope it's true. I hope this game kicks ass completely.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

Cmosfm

09-09-2005, 05:02 PM

I have full faith in Sonic Team to make this a great game, they've never dissapointed me before, and they won't this time. Those screenshots, although very early, make me drool.

Gunstar_Hero UK

09-09-2005, 05:15 PM

I vote 'To Early to Say'. I wasnt a big Sonic Adventure fan, and Heroes failed to impress me, but hopefully with Naka up front, Sonic Team can shell out a great game.

Also, Sonic Rush DS looks pretty cool too. Its nice to see that theyre busy. The dissapointement that was Billy Hatcher, was made up for by the greatness of Feel the Magic. And with a Feel the Magic sequel on the way, maybe things are looking up for the Sonic Team.

Joe. :)

Blanka789

09-09-2005, 05:28 PM

I wish that they would keep the New Sonic style (green eyes and long hair) and do 3D. Then they could take the old Sonic and do 2D games. Make them alternate universes, and you attract more people with different gameplay.

Jive3D

09-09-2005, 05:35 PM

Going back to the root of the sonic series is a very good movie. As long as it's Sonic, and only sonic and very very fast - I think it could be a lot of fun. Sonic Adventure & Adventure 2 were pretty fun - but they broke up the action with the other characters which just plain out sucked.

Sonic
Speed
Japanese style sonic music would be good too.

It would be nice if the took a 'batman begins' approach to it, and make the new game appear FIRST chronologically in the series - with Sonic's origin and the whole Dr. Kintobor to Dr. Robotnik/Eggman story element.

Wait forget that entire thing - Here's what they should do - Make a game that looks, feels, sounds, and plays EXACTLY like the cartoon intro to Sonic CD. THAt would be awesome.

Falcon

09-09-2005, 08:51 PM

Im thinking that they will be spending a large amount of money on this new Sonic game seeing as it wont be easy to live up to the 15 years of great gaming Sonic has offered us. So MY OPINION is that it will be a great game. May not get 10's on IGN or Gamespot, but it will be a fun experience just like the other Sonic games, if not better. I cant wait Sega.

PDorr3

09-09-2005, 11:28 PM

as long as they dont add any guns and weapons I will be happy. Based on the 4th screen shot it just looks like the game will be VERY VERY fast, making good use of a motion screen blur that is probably only capable on the next gen hardware.

Tron 2.0

09-10-2005, 02:47 AM

Too soon to tell imo i'm in no rush any ways.

Cobra Commander

09-10-2005, 03:39 AM

Well if nothing else, those screenshots are BEAUTIFUL. That first one, is breathtaking!

Dimitri

09-10-2005, 06:08 AM

Yuji Naka (when was he last involved?) is heading up the game's development, while character designer Naoto Ohshima is involved as well.

Presiding over the game's development will be none other than Yuji Naka, who, along with character designer Naoto Ohshima, created the original Sonic game for the Sega Genesis in 1991.
Ohshima isn't involved, he's at Artoon last I heard. And as far as I'm aware, Naka has been involved in every console major console iteration of the series apart from Sonic CD.

The screens look nice, for sure, but it's a hell of a lot easier to make nice screens than to make a nice game. Sonic Adventure and 2 were alright games, but nothing you'd go back to endlessly -- Sonic Heroes was complete crock. Unless this truly is a reinvention of the series, new engine and design principles and all, I see this as most likely being another poorly-thought-out game using the obsolete Sonic Adventure engine.

Interesting that "Sonic the Hedgehog" and "Shadow the Hedgehog" are both upcoming solo adventures. With that other FPS/demon thing they're working on (which looks like it'll probably suck), aren't Sonic Team spreading themselves a little thin by this point? Perhaps that's why they're still using a seven-year-old engine...

Cryomancer

09-10-2005, 08:52 AM

I like the idea of a large, static world to run around in. Sonic is supposed to wander around looking for something exiting right? All his adventures are just something he decided to up and do because it looked like something to do. However that doesn't show much in the games, since it's all level after level. Sonic Adventure's action fields were a good start to this.

However imagine a huge world, free wandering, and the other characters are running around doing their own thing as well, and you can choose to interact with them, or not. Eggman's attacking the city? You could stop him, or go hunt emeralds. That is an idea that appeals to me greatly.

GrayFox

09-10-2005, 10:26 AM

I'm waiting it out to make judgements, but, I have much hope to say the least.

I mean, those screenshots look fantastic, I just hope the storylines go back and continue Sonic 3 & Knuckles... please.

Anyways, I think its a great time to be a Sega/Sonic fan. Sonic Rush, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Riders, and now the new Sonic game.. jeez.

Amy Rose

09-10-2005, 11:34 AM

YES!!!! Sonic R sequel! (well, kinda.) IMO, the music for that game overrode any of the bad gameplay (which really wasn't that terrible compared to other Saturn and PSX games). *is now listening to "Diamond In The Sky" from the soundtrack*.

The new Sonic only game looks hot. I can't wait for it. Or Shadow's game. I also heard that a Knuckles game may be in the works, can anyone confirm anything about that?

I've found recently, that I've been enjoying Sonic Heroes a lot more, which I absolutely despised in the beginning and bought out of pure fangirl.. ism. :P It's not fantastic by a long shot, but it's an original idea and bringing back the Chaotix makes me very very happy.

In summary, BRING ON THE SONIC! I can't WAIT for these games, or Sonic Rush! :D :D :D

ClubNinja

09-10-2005, 03:00 PM

Cmosfm

09-10-2005, 03:27 PM

THATinkjar

09-10-2005, 03:39 PM

This is the kind of mentality I just CANNOT understand, at all, I can't see how someone could claim to love a character/series and not want to see anymore games from it. EVEN if the games are complete and utter garbage.

I loved the Sonic series primarily because the gameplay was fresh and exciting. The fact that Sonic was a cool character was secondary, I feel.

ClubNinja

09-10-2005, 06:48 PM

I love Sonic games. Sonic is the main reason I started caring about console gaming again in the 16 Bit era. I have, like, boatloads of Sonic games and Sonic related stuff.

If, from today on, they never ever released another Sonic game, I think I'd be much happier. It's time to let go.

The same goes for you Mario, as well as Mega Man. Heck, I love Mega Man like I love Sonic, yet I gave up on buying new Mega Man games several years ago. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing. I'm all set with my old Sonic games. I'll take a new, interesting, inspired franchise instead, please.

This is the kind of mentality I just CANNOT understand, at all, I can't see how someone could claim to love a character/series and not want to see anymore games from it. EVEN if the games are complete and utter garbage.

This is the kind of mentality I just CANNOT understand. At all. Why on earth would anyone want to support a lackluster, "completely and utterly garbage" game? If someone *really* loves a character/series, then they should want to see it represented in its best form, go out with dignity - not with rehash after rehash.

If you want to wave the flag of some tired old series, then that's your thing. I'd rather play the games that were made when the series was *fresh*, and usually *better*. Be careful - a person who supports anything with a specific name tacked onto it, regardless of its quality, is often noted as a fanboy. Don't be that guy.

sabre2922

09-10-2005, 08:50 PM

I think it looks great and if it plays half as good as it looks will be an excellent game.

I would actually buy a 360 just to play this and a couple other titles announced for the new Xbox.

I also thought Sonic Adventure 1 @ 2 on Dreamcast were very good games if it werent for some of the slower levels like the damn cat thing :angry: they could have been even better.

I think Sonic Team will deliver with this game and have high hopes for it.

Now what about that new PANZER DRAGOON SAGA Sega? :D

Push Upstairs

09-10-2005, 10:11 PM

This is the kind of mentality I just CANNOT understand. At all. Why on earth would anyone want to support a lackluster, "completely and utterly garbage" game? If someone *really* loves a character/series, then they should want to see it represented in its best form, go out with dignity - not with rehash after rehash.

This is the exact reason i quit watching "The Simpsons".

Anyway, I'm all for Sonic to return to his orginial bad self!

THATinkjar

09-20-2005, 12:16 PM

I'm downloading the full length, next-gen Sonic trailer from AMN right now. The higher resolution version weighs in at 21 megabytes. You can view it here (http://downloads.advancedmn.com/~media/games/sonicthehedgehog/sonicthehedgehog_01_hi.wmv).

goatdan

09-20-2005, 01:40 PM

I define success as a totally awesome game, so I said that its too early to tell. I liked Sonic Adventure much more than Sonic Adventure 2, so if they're treading down similar roads, it won't be a success to me.

Now, in the way of sales, Sonic still packs a punch. Sonic Adventure 2 Battle is I believe still the best selling third party GameCube title. Between the Dreamcast and GameCube, SA1 and 2 sold over three million copies, and I believe nearly four million copies (when combining both of their sales).

That's a BIG reason that Sega keeps dragging the Sonic name up for new games right now, and as long as they are of a high quality, I think we'll keep seeing them until the public stops buying them.

And really, even SA2 wasn't a bad game. If you didn't like these games, you're probably not a very big 3D platforming fan anyway, and they aren't selling to your market. The jump from 2D to 3D was big, but personally, I think it held up rather well.