Thank You to the Idiot Here who Meddled in my Business.

[Griking]

I don't know if anyone here remembers but a few weeks back someone here made a a post here calling me names because of an auction that I bid on and won. The post was lost in the last outage due to the hacking incident otherwise I'd link to it.

The auction was for a lot of games including a copy of the Flintstones: Surprise on Dinosaur Peak. Here's (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3605&item=8214578764) a link to the auction as a reminder.

The way that everything transpired was that the seller listed the games with a low starting bid. As I admitted in the earlier post, I emailed the seller and asked if he would consider adding a "Buy it Now" option to the auction. The seller responsed and said "Sure, I'll sell it to you for $19.99". Well obviously I jumped on it and paid instantly. It's important to keep in mind that the seller offered the games at this price. I didn't suggest or offer any dollar amount.

Well here's where the bullshit started. Someone here obviously saw the auction and put it on their watch list. When they later saw that the auction ended early with a B.I.N and recognized my name as the buyer they bitched and whined about it here calling me all sorts of names.

Well the seller eventually backed out of the deal and left me a negative because of "some other ebayer" contacted him and convinced him that he was selling the game for way too low of a price and that I was trying to scam him. Scam him? Again, the seller is the one who set the price. And gee, I wonder who that "other eBayer" could have been. :roll:

Now I really don't care all that much about the negative since I have over 900 positives but I just wanted to say thank you to the idiot who emailed the seller if he is here and happens to read this. :moon: :fist: :moon:

I'd also like to point out that this is an excellent example of why eBay has rules about contacting buyers and/or sellers of auctions that haven't completed yet and meddling in them.

[walrusmonger]

So that's what people do when they are so upset they weren't the one to score a killer deal.

The type of person who would go and do that... it's beyond words.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Report the seller to eBay. DEMAND your items. The seller cannot back out just like that.

[Early Worm]

Did we not also have just as big a moron contacting the NWC people? Those who can't get something seem to try to increase their importance by being the "know it all" police. Small minds...big actions.

[evil_genius]

That is...well...gay. Yes it is gay, but again this is why you don't brag about findings until they are in your possession. That guy needs to get a life, seriously.

[Griking]

Report the seller to eBay. DEMAND your items. The seller cannot back out just like that.

I've already created an incident report with eBay but I'm not expecting anything to come from it. The worst eBay can do is suspend the seller's account but I highly doubt that will happen and truthfully that's not what I want. What I want is for the seller to fulfill his obligation and sell me the games but eBay really can't make the seller do that if he's changed his mind and doesn't want to sell it to me anymore.


That is...well...gay. Yes it is gay, but again this is why you don't brag about findings until they are in your possession. That guy needs to get a life, seriously.

I never posted about the auction here. It was the sour grapes complainer who originally posted about it here last time.

[portnoyd]

Did we not also have just as big a moron contacting the NWC people?

That was different, idiot.

[Griking]

Did we not also have just as big a moron contacting the NWC people?

That was different, idiot.

Actually I don't really think it is that different, only the end result was different. In my case the interference caused the transaction to go bad. In the case of the NWC that luckily wasn't the case (as far as we know). There's really no legitimate reason for someone to email a bidder of an auction while it's still in progress unless it's the seller.

[SoulBlazer]

Sucks that it happened. Some people here have no life. :/

You did'nt do anything wrong -- at WORST, you could be seen as being a little sneaky by requesting a BIN when the original auction did'nt have one, but you did'nt set the price -- the SELLER did. So as far as I'm concerned you're totally in the clear and innocent and someone (who I'm sure ALSO was hoping to grab the game for cheap) decided to meddle in your affairs.

Not much more you can do. You've allready contacted EBay. I suspose you could also try sending another e-mail to the seller, reminding him that HE set the BIN price and make a offer for the Flintstones game if he will withdraw the negative. That way, maybe you can still get it for a resonable price, because there is no way in hell you'll get the game for $20 now, sad to say.

[dieourumov]

Wow, I feel for you man. I can't believe the assholeness of people wanting a great deal.

[wrldstrman]

The GREED in collecting has gone entirely to far in my opinion..It is hardly anymore a hobby where all just enjoy collecting and playing the games..It seems a lot of people only want to brag about what rare games they have like it makes them more important or something.And every time someone feels good about their collection,someone always has to say you dont have this or you dont have that..Everyones intilted to their opinions I myself think emailing sellers to try and get them to sell their items early is nothing more than being GREEDY and shelfish..A lot of individuals have made it to where you almost have to email the seller because if you dont the item will disappear ending any chance of bidding.. The whole point of ebay is to give buyers a equal chance of winning the item..So if someone emailed the seller and offered him a low price for a game and someone else comes in behind and does the same thing but offers more money why should they get mad..Im not saying theres anything wrong with trying to make money selling video games but I belive there is a difference between thoses that love collecting and playing the games and those that only want to make a buck.

[evil_genius]

Report the seller to eBay. DEMAND your items. The seller cannot back out just like that.

I've already created an incident report with eBay but I'm not expecting anything to come from it. The worst eBay can do is suspend the seller's account but I highly doubt that will happen and truthfully that's not what I want. What I want is for the seller to fulfill his obligation and sell me the games but eBay really can't make the seller do that if he's changed his mind and doesn't want to sell it to me anymore.


That is...well...gay. Yes it is gay, but again this is why you don't brag about findings until they are in your possession. That guy needs to get a life, seriously.

I never posted about the auction here. It was the sour grapes complainer who originally posted about it here last time.

Ohhhh yeah, I remember now. Someone got jealous LOL. That's not quite as bad as the guy who had to run for his life from the hillbilly family at a public auction with a box full of ps2 and saturn games that he got dirt cheap. LOL

[scooby105]

ebay is usually pretty good about getting rid of sellers like this. you just file a seller non-performance thing and make sure to send all emails and headers. they'll flat out kick the seller off ebay after just one offense many times. that doesn't help you get your game though.

[Chronodriftersx]

If his name was Earl expect to be put on his list and have him calling soon :D

[NESaholic]

Damn man that really sucks,what an asshat to do such thing.Mail eBay and show them link,that's the only thing you can do now.Hope they can remopve that neg for ya.Keep us informed.

[number6]

I hate to say it Griking, but I think you are as much to blame in this problem as the person who reported you. If you had just let the auction progress to its natural conclusion the item would have sold to the highest bidder. You decided to be sneaky and try and get the seller to end the auction early with a BIN. You interfered with the auction just as much as the other party did. Now the seller was not smart to accept your offer. In all rights the seller should have reported you for auction interference. As far as I know you are not allowed to ask a seller to end an auction early which is what you did.

[Massimiliano]

Asking the seller to settle a BIN price is not an iinfraction to ebay rules.

[anagrama]

If you had just let the auction progress to its natural conclusion the item would have sold to the highest bidder. You decided to be sneaky and try and get the seller to end the auction early with a BIN. You interfered with the auction just as much as the other party did.

That's bullshit, frankly - there is absolutely nothing wrong with asking a seller to add a BIN, and it is perfectly legitimate in eBay's eyes.
eBay would much prefer people did this rather than asking a seller to close early and sell privately, because that way they are deprived of the Final Value Fees.
End result: buyer gets the game, seller gets the price they wanted, eBay gets their fees - everyone is happy. Except for any bitter little shits who didn't have the foresight to ask the seller to do the same, and instead have to sabotage someone else's deal.

[jajaja]

Fucking shit, this pisses me off acctualy lol. I mean, the seller refused to sell it and give YOU a negative, thats insane. Makes me want to contact the seller and ask wtf he/she is thinking.
As you said, you have over 900 postive feedback, but still.. Worse part is that you didnt get the games of course and you cant force them to sell either.

[chaoticjelly]

Yeah its above board to ask for a BIN, the person who told the seller they had a rare game is a ****

I feel for you man.. if the seller didn't know it was rare, thats their stupid fault, I mean, how hard is it to do a little search on completed items for the game, or check a collecting website?

Answer : not hard at all LOL

[captain nintendo]

I remember the thread before it got wiped when DP went down. I just cant seem to place the member name at the moment. I do remember said member pretty much ended up looking like an asshat and did not post in the thread again after his actions were uncovered. @_@


So for whoever screwed up Grikings deal I just have to say your just down right low. :roll:

[anagrama]

edited.

[nebrazca78]

I hate to say it Griking, but I think you are as much to blame in this problem as the person who reported you. If you had just let the auction progress to its natural conclusion the item would have sold to the highest bidder. You decided to be sneaky and try and get the seller to end the auction early with a BIN. You interfered with the auction just as much as the other party did. Now the seller was not smart to accept your offer. In all rights the seller should have reported you for auction interference. As far as I know you are not allowed to ask a seller to end an auction early which is what you did.

What do you mean Griking is at fault? He made a simple request that was granted. Being a buyer it's fully within his rights to ask the seller almost anything short of trying to get him to end the auction early. The most dishonorable thing was the fact that the seller *made a deal* and then went back on it. Just like eBay says, bidding and winning on an auction is a binding legal contract, just like signing on the dotted line. The seller is a d-bag for breaking the contract and the guy who emailed him is a fucken scumbag. Imagine if you were buying a piece of property and you signed a contract, then some shit-hole found out and conacted the seller saying he could've gotten more. If the seller tried to break the contract you'd find yourself in court and I guarantee you'd be getting your property. Disclosure before the end of an auction is one thing, but once closed it's a done deal. Deadbeats of all kinds should be beaten severly about the head and neck with a large stick.

[number6]

I stand corrected on the auction interference remark. I asked in the ebay forums about this and everyone has agreed it ia allowed for the buyer to ask the seller anything. I was not aware of this.

I still stand by my statement though that Griking is partly to blame in the fact that he knew the value of the items in question and that most likely other collectors would be interested in this auction. By asking the seller to change the auction setup he could potentially upset others who are watching the auction. It may not be right for the person who was watching the auction to get mad and contact the seller, but Griking put this set of events into motion by playing on the ignorance of the seller in question. If Griking had let the auction run its course the item would have sold for a lot more most likely and everyone would have most likely been happy.

That's not to say that someone still might have been upset for losing and they still could have contacted the seller I guess. I think in this case though the seller does feel a little cheated and the potential bidder felt cheated and we all know how misery loves company.

I guess all I am trying to say is that when you do things slightly out of the ordinary be prepared for the consequences.

[Mayhem]

I'd say that IF Griking had given a price, but the seller himself set it, hence it is really his fault for the "money deprevation" compared to letting it run normally. He didn't have to agree to put a BIN on it either.

[Buyatari]

Who cares who set the price he accepted. Done deal legaly binding contract. Does it matter at a flee market who "sets" the price on such a collection? If you saw an NWC at the flee market would you offer the person $6,000.00 so they would get top market value?

And to everyone else don't be a fool and brag about your deals until it is in hand.


I'd say that IF Griking had given a price, but the seller himself set it, hence it is really his fault for the "money deprevation" compared to letting it run normally. He didn't have to agree to put a BIN on it either.

[anagrama]

And to everyone else don't be a fool and brag about your deals until it is in hand.

The buyer (Griking) didn't mention it. It was brought up in an unrelated discussion by nermal (better known as pa_nes_ian).

No prizes for guessing who contacted the seller.

[Buyatari]

The buyer (Griking) didn't mention it. It was brought up in an unrelated discussion by nermal (better known as pa_nes_ian).

I didn't say he did. The point is still valid.

[syd]

I didn't think a seller could just back out of a deal like that so easily. That doesn't even make any sense. So if a seller doesn't like the price at the end of any auction, they can back out of the deal? I think ebay would definitely side with you on this according to your account, you played by all of the rules. The guy who emailed the seller seems pretty childish though. It's pretty low for anyone to do that, you won the item fair and square, he/she could have easily emailed the seller about the BIN before you did. Just go bug Ebay and you'll get the game eventually.

[anagrama]

Yeah, because eBay will go around to the seller's house, drag him and the game to a post box and force him to send it, right?

[Kitsune Sniper]

No, but there are things such as lawsuits. *shrugs*

Also, this is why I never change any of my auctions to BINs. I respect the bidder's offer, but I'd rather let the auction go through, regardless of the end price.

[SoulBlazer]

It's certinaly not the bidders fault that the seller was dumb and did'nt know he had a rare game in the lot. After all, the SELLER set the price of the lot when he was asked to add a BIN. Do you seriously THINK Griking thought he would set the price as low as he did? And then once the seller DID, what was Griking susposed to do? "Oh no, I can't take THAT price! There's a rare game in that lot and it's worth SO much more!"

It's almost the same thing as finding a rare game for next to nothing in a flea market or a auction. As I mentioned before, the ONLY think Griking did that might be a little sneaky was asking for the BIN to be set up, but another collector could have done that also.

You're susposed to KNOW how much something is worth when you sell it. Be it a book, a TV, a game, a appliance, a house -- you never sell ANYTHING without checking into the value of it first. Griking just happened to be first to see the chance and took it.

[Nesmaster]

And to everyone else don't be a fool and brag about your deals until it is in hand.

The buyer (Griking) didn't mention it. It was brought up in an unrelated discussion by nermal (better known as pa_nes_ian).

No prizes for guessing who contacted the seller.

so that's who it was? I fail to see why he got all bunched up over it, when he got a complete mint one for what worked out to be $20 about a year ago. He now comes around to bitch about a loose one with a little label damage? That was lame of him and Griking deserved his spoils :roll:

[anagrama]

so that's who it was?

He's the one that brought it up in an unrelated thread and was acting pissy about it. I've no idea whether it was him or not that contacted the seller, but the circumstantial evidence kinda points towards it.

[nebrazca78]

Whoever it was that emailed the seller needs to get his chin-chin sucked so he can stop worrying about other people's eBay transactions. What a effen waste of time. He feels the need to email a seller like that but I bet if he found someone's lost wallet he wouldn't be so magnanimous.

[Early Worm]

Did we not also have just as big a moron contacting the NWC people?

That was different, idiot.
Now, Port...you are going to hurt my little feelings talking like that. It obviously wasn't different. A moron contacting people...and an idiot contacting people...are really the same thing. Just a different breed of the same ridiculously stupid, know-more-than-you species. And please save the "I will defend the circumstances" speech that I know you are preparing.

[D_N_G]

I would like to thank another DP member for name calling and threadcapping in public

@Griking sorry for the situation. I think since the monetary amount is minimal there may not actually be a chance of ebay reacting and actually getting you the games. They will probably just slap the seller on the wrist with a warning

[video_game_addict]

so that's who it was?

He's the one that brought it up in an unrelated thread and was acting pissy about it. I've no idea whether it was him or not that contacted the seller, but the circumstantial evidence kinda points towards it.

It wasn't totally unrelated. It was Griking who decided to post his copy of Flinstones to ebay prior to receiving the BINed lot, ands decided to advertize it here. Had he not been so quick to sell his copy, he might would have came out okay.

Because on top of posting it to here, which was the death blow, he also was selling his copy under the same user id on ebay, with which the lot was won by. The original seller saw this, and that probably didn't make him any happier. He probably thought Griking couldn't wait to start making money off the trans, and had to throw up a copy that same night. Then a little more searching around, and find out the actual price of this game, and the seller decided not to honor this deal they had entered into.

[Darth Sensei]

Whoever did it is a piece of shit.

[SoulBlazer]

The seller still had no right to change his mind and cancel the contract (for that's what completed EBay auctions are), but I did'nt know Griking had put up his old copy allready on EBay. If that's true, not a good move. :/ NEVER do sell a duplicate until you get BOTH items.

[portnoyd]

Did we not also have just as big a moron contacting the NWC people?

That was different, idiot.
Now, Port...you are going to hurt my little feelings talking like that. It obviously wasn't different. A moron contacting people...and an idiot contacting people...are really the same thing. Just a different breed of the same ridiculously stupid, know-more-than-you species. And please save the "I will defend the circumstances" speech that I know you are preparing.

The speech you asked for:

That was different, idiot.

[Qixmaster]

nm

[mills]

lol nm?


"Who cares who set the price he accepted. Done deal legaly binding contract. Does it matter at a flee market who "sets" the price on such a collection? If you saw an NWC at the flee market would you offer the person $6,000.00 so they would get top market value?"

TRUTH.

[video_game_addict]

"Who cares who set the price he accepted. Done deal legaly binding contract. Does it matter at a flee market who "sets" the price on such a collection? If you saw an NWC at the flee market would you offer the person $6,000.00 so they would get top market value?"

TRUTH.

You can damn well believe if I was second up to a booth where someguy was handing over a five spot to some flea market vendor, I'd speak up in a heart beat. I'd make sure he realizes it's worth at least a $100, then I'd buy it off him. :devilish:

[Nes]

It sucks that you got screwed like that, but there's nothing you can do about it. Ebay doesn't give a rip. Hence I never got my Donkey Kong Country Competition cart.

[Geddon_jt]

I would pissed if I were you as well, Griking. You did absolutely nothing wrong asking for a BIN price. You did your research and almost snagged a nice deal, were it not for a whiny buyer and more importantly, an unscrupulous seller. Requesting a BIN so you can score items on the cheap is not wrong or anything to be ashamed of, but backing out of a deal because you realize you are an idiot for setting a low sale price is.

I'd also like to add that there is nothing "greedy" about trying to buy items at low prices. Thats how a lot of us establish and grow our collections. Hell, requesting a low BIN now is a step further than I usually go. I usually just email the seller and offer immediate payment for an agreed-upon price in exchange for canceling the item. Against ebay policy, yes. But there is a lot of competition out there, and I've gotten a $20 panzer dragoon saga and countless other great scores using that tactic.

[bazariah]

i always thought that if a BIN price is used and say it's below the market value/potential worth the seller has to legally sell for that price... many times i've sold games on ebay and i've honoured whatever price it went for, i sold a castlevania on the megadrive once, it was £3.50 by the auctions end and i honoured that price. i've sold sealed intelivision games for 0.99p and again i've honoured that, so in essence what i think is that no seller should back out of the deal since they are in effect entered into a contract