PS3 Blu-Ray Dead?

[fpstream]

Now all the "neutral" companies has dropped Blu-Ray. Does this mean Sony is all alone in their continued support of blu-ray? Will the PS3 be injured by this? Here's the article: http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050927_190208.html

I think this will only drive costs up... Sony bet on the wrong horse this race. Perhaps a new format called Beta-Ray?

[roushimsx]

I hope Blu-Ray isn't flat out dead. Going HD DVD fucks over the consumers in the long run, imo. The only advantage HD DVD offers is lower initial costs for plants converting over... it offers a hell of a lot less storage and isn't nearly as expandable as blu-ray discs.

I really hope the PC drives are compatible with both standards (like dvd+r/-r/+rw/-rw/-ram), because if there's a choice between blu-ray and hd dvd on a product, i'm totally getting the blu-ray version.

Let's hope there's not a similar bitch-fit when HVDs start coming more into focus. Something tells me that we won't be so lucky :(

[PS2Hawk]

I just want one unified format and I personally think that Blur Ray is better since TDK has a 100 gig Blur Ray dvd already.

[Mr.FoodMonster]

There really isn't a 'personal opionon' on whats better, Blu Ray is better, and there is no way around it. It's like trying to argue that a floppy disk is better then a CD-ROM.

[sabre2922]

I dont think it will affect the PS3 much either way

I do think that Xbox 360 may recieve more support by default but well see

[sabre2922]

There really isn't a 'personal opionon' on whats better, Blu Ray is better, and there is no way around it. It's like trying to argue that a floppy disk is better then a CD-ROM.

TRUE but very few console games use all of a DVDs storage capacity even to this day and look how many of the newer PC games are still released on multiple CDs ;)

[roushimsx]

There really isn't a 'personal opionon' on whats better, Blu Ray is better, and there is no way around it. It's like trying to argue that a floppy disk is better then a CD-ROM.

It's a little closer to the 3.5 vs 5.25 debate...but yea. The only reason HD DVD has so much steam is because it's cheaper for the companies to switch over to it.

[njiska]

Blu-Ray is far from dead. Sony has the backing of a number of huge companies including more movie studios then HD DVD so the war is far from over.

I personally prefer HD DVD because of the up front cost. I know that in the long run Blu-ray will come down, but the bottom line i'm looking at what i have to spend right now, not what i have to spend in 5 years. Remember that better tech doesn't mean it's better. You have to look at the big picture and that means you have to look at both inital cost, long term cost and you have to look at how much difference that space is really gonna make. To me an 8 layer 100 GB BD ROM isn't that impressive. Looking at the space predictions for the next gen Blu-Ray isn't nessecary. The Java powered menu's are nice, but the hard coded copyprotection won't make it as easy to stream a disc's content which is what MS is looking to do. (at least that's the arguement in the press release).

In the end i imagine most people will be like me and just skip picking sides and buy a combo player. In fact Samsung has already announced a Blu-Ray/HD DVD combo drive.

What's really interesting about todays announcement isn't that Intel and Microsoft have joined HD DVD. No what's interesting is that Apple is firmly in the Blu-Ray camp. In fact they're on the Blu-Ray Disc Association Board of Directors.

So what does this mean for Intel-Apple business?

[fpstream]

That's is interesting intel apple thing. Hadn't thought of that. I think HD-DVD will end up winning because:
A) Cheaper
B) People don't like change
They just learned DVD, they won't like this whole blu-ray thing. I don't want a compromise, I want a clear cut winner. I don't want to buy multiple of things, that's what I hate about this generation. Last gen it was just PS1, that was the clear cut winner, this gen everything is good. Just makes things more expensive. Even if Blu-Ray and HD-DVD did live happily ever after, HD-DVD would still be dominant, look at PCs and all the CDs they use. Just cost, nothing more nothing less.

[theoakwoody]

I know that tons of people bought the PS2 in Japan because it was a "cheap" DVD player at the time but I don't think it will be the same this time around. LIke someone said, DVD's just got big in the last couple of years and it took people forever to adjust from their old VCR's. I personally don't think that the next generation of systems will succeed/fail based on how universal they are and how many cool features they have outside of playing games. Too many systems have failed trying to be everything to everyone so its still going to come down to the games and not the specs and features.

[sabre2922]

I know that tons of people bought the PS2 in Japan because it was a "cheap" DVD player at the time but I don't think it will be the same this time around. LIke someone said, DVD's just got big in the last couple of years and it took people forever to adjust from their old VCR's. I personally don't think that the next generation of systems will succeed/fail based on how universal they are and how many cool features they have outside of playing games. Too many systems have failed trying to be everything to everyone so its still going to come down to the games and not the specs and features.

Exactly thank u :)

[PS2Hawk]

I know that tons of people bought the PS2 in Japan because it was a "cheap" DVD player at the time but I don't think it will be the same this time around. LIke someone said, DVD's just got big in the last couple of years and it took people forever to adjust from their old VCR's. I personally don't think that the next generation of systems will succeed/fail based on how universal they are and how many cool features they have outside of playing games. Too many systems have failed trying to be everything to everyone so its still going to come down to the games and not the specs and features.

you have to realise that the technology is evolving at a faster rate, people will get HDTVs for gaming in the next 4 to 10 years and HD-DVD or BlurRay will shine faster than DVD..

[Leroy]

*crosses fingers*

[Cmtz]

People will want something they know. I can see the ad now. "It's still a DVD, just better".

[PS2Hawk]

People will want something they know. I can see the ad now. "It's still a DVD, just better".

yea I think people know more about the tech, the ones who rush to buy it. The dumbasses just consult the bestbuy employees.

I would do anything to get a console that can give me 720p or 1080p resolution in games since I am not a pc gamer.

you need more space and thats why next gen consoles will adopt the next gen media.

HD-DVD or Blueray are just as evolutionary as Pentium 4 multi core procerssors.. people who already have HDTVs know that the current gen consoles that offer HDTV modes are not that sharp.

[Blackjax]

HD-DVD already has one huge strike against it in the home theater crowd. The players will only transmit a HD 1080 signal over encrypted HDMI cables. That means there are several generations of HDTVs that *cannot* view HD-DVDs in anything but 480p. Only have componant video or DVI on your $10,000 TV? Too bad, time to upgrade if you want to see HD-DVDs in true HD.

Blu-ray has not announced if they're implementing anything like this yet. If you want to read more, hit up the Home Theater Forum, look for the topic "Its Official - HDDVD is HDMI only" in the Home Theater Software forum

http://www.hometheaterforum.com

[Anthony1]

HD-DVD already has one huge strike against it in the home theater crowd. The players will only transmit a HD 1080 signal over encrypted HDMI cables. That means there are several generations of HDTVs that *cannot* view HD-DVDs in anything but 480p. Only have componant video or DVI on your $10,000 TV? Too bad, time to upgrade if you want to see HD-DVDs in true HD.

Blu-ray has not announced if they're implementing anything like this yet. If you want to read more, hit up the Home Theater Forum, look for the topic "Its Official - HDDVD is HDMI only" in the Home Theater Software forum

http://www.hometheaterforum.com


I find it hard to believe that somebody won't make a device that will basically convert the HDMI output to wide band component. There are way too many HDTV's that don't have HDMI.

[badinsults]

Really, the question that is on my mind is, why do we need either format? Sure, some people have high end TVs, but most people still have good old 320x240 TVs, like myself. Really, DVDs are still perfectly adequate for the majority of people. It took about 15 years before VHS was rendered useless, why can't the same happen for DVD? In 10 years, when there are more high end TVs around, it would make better sence to get the new formats out. All these companies will do is drive up the price of an already overly-expensive product (there is no good reason why a DVD costs more than VHS).

[Bojay1997]

If Sony is known for anything, it is sticking with technology they believe in, even if nobody else does. Didn't Sony finally kill consumer Betamax 2-3 years ago? Thanks for posting the article by the way. Very interesting perspective that isn't getting much press yet. This wouldn't be the first time Sony has overhyped the capabilities of a product to push a particular standard.

[hezeuschrist]

Really, the question that is on my mind is, why do we need either format? Sure, some people have high end TVs, but most people still have good old 320x240 TVs, like myself. Really, DVDs are still perfectly adequate for the majority of people. It took about 15 years before VHS was rendered useless, why can't the same happen for DVD? In 10 years, when there are more high end TVs around, it would make better sence to get the new formats out. All these companies will do is drive up the price of an already overly-expensive product (there is no good reason why a DVD costs more than VHS).

The point is we don't need either format. Not by a longshot. They could continue to make games on DVD and just use multiple DVD's as they did for CD based games. The HDTV penetration rate is so incredibly small across just the US that it certainly isn't because the majority is crying for something better.

Neither format will see widescale success in the movie industry, because it isn't needed. There might be a more viable format a decade down the road, but for now there is absolutely no reason to make any kind of switch.

[Humanoid]

I think I also want HD-DVD to pull through here. Nice, easy upgrade from DVDs, while not quite rendering DVDs obsolete for everyone.
Mmmm, 30 gigs...

[Anthony1]

They could continue to make games on DVD and just use multiple DVD's as they did for CD based games.


True, but if you are going to have a freaking huge world that is streaming off the DVD, then you need as much storage as possible for each individual disk. That is if you want a world that is completely exporable without having to go to disk #2.


Or maybe not.

[hezeuschrist]

They could continue to make games on DVD and just use multiple DVD's as they did for CD based games.


True, but if you are going to have a freaking huge world that is streaming off the DVD, then you need as much storage as possible for each individual disk. That is if you want a world that is completely exporable without having to go to disk #2.


Or maybe not.

They managed it just fine in all the multi-disc RPG's for the PSOne. Some areas became inaccessable, but usually by way of explanation through the game rather than the limitation of the size of the medium.

[Raedon]

I assume that Blu-Ray is dead because it's copy protection is as strong as todays dvd's.

[njiska]

I assume that Blu-Ray is dead because it's copy protection is as strong as todays dvd's.

It's stronger then today's because the key is tied to the hardware. However we'll probably just come up with a way to strip out the encryption just like we do now. DeCSS for the next gen, if you will.

[WanganRunner]

Sony always has the best standards that end up getting screwed.

Betamax, SDDS, etc...

[Lothars]

I would say Blu-Ray is far from dead,

IMO I think in the long run it will do way better than HD-DVD

though I would prefer a combined format not two seperate but I know what I am going for

Blu-ray all the way.

[hegyak]

I want 100 gigs on a disk. DVDs to me are just fine. Just give me more then 4.7 gigs of space. I think that getting that much space for a game can make quite an impessive game if there in enough time. Shenmue 2 for the dreamcast was so large that when echelon pirated the game, they had to eliminate every language from the PAL version beciedes english for disks 2-4. The dreamcast had 1 gig, 100 gigs for 1 game? Not enough stuff in the world to fill that disk. Although, graphics seem to be the key to sales, so they can get so many graphics and cut scenes on that disk that the creators will be over joyed that they can push all those wonderful graphics and movies that many devlopers seem to love so much. I can put 12 8 gig dvds on a single blu-ray dvd if 100 gigs is the max. That would be the best thing for just about anything that comes on DVDs. Most anime series avalible on a single disk (except for DBZ due to size). So what if the HD-DVD has better images, I got an entire anime series on a single disk. Can a HD-DVD disk do that? Price is a factor of course but I say support the larger format. Just as DVDs replace CDs Blu-Ray will replace the DVD format because of the size possiblies.

[alexkidd2000]

Really, the question that is on my mind is, why do we need either format? Sure, some people have high end TVs, but most people still have good old 320x240 TVs, like myself. Really, DVDs are still perfectly adequate for the majority of people. It took about 15 years before VHS was rendered useless, why can't the same happen for DVD? In 10 years, when there are more high end TVs around, it would make better sence to get the new formats out. All these companies will do is drive up the price of an already overly-expensive product (there is no good reason why a DVD costs more than VHS).


Man you got f'd in the a when you were sold your TV haha. Does it at least support 240p?

[hezeuschrist]

Really, the question that is on my mind is, why do we need either format? Sure, some people have high end TVs, but most people still have good old 320x240 TVs, like myself. Really, DVDs are still perfectly adequate for the majority of people. It took about 15 years before VHS was rendered useless, why can't the same happen for DVD? In 10 years, when there are more high end TVs around, it would make better sence to get the new formats out. All these companies will do is drive up the price of an already overly-expensive product (there is no good reason why a DVD costs more than VHS).


Man you got f'd in the a when you were sold your TV haha. Does it at least support 240p?

Why did he get screwed?

[alexkidd2000]

Its a joke, there is no such thing as a 320x240 TV.

[diskoboy]

I think the blu-ray will be the next betamax (also designed by sony - go figure).

While techinically better than the HD-DVD, it's more expensive to buy and to manufacture for. It may start out with some support at the get go, but movie studios will eventually move over to HD-DVD for cost purposes. And more people are already familiar with the DVD format. The introduction of blu-ray would probably confuse those non-technical people about what to get. They'll most likely stick with what they're familiar with - DVD.

My 2 cents...

[fpstream]

I think the blu-ray will be the next betamax (also designed by sony - go figure).

While techinically better than the HD-DVD, it's more expensive to buy and to manufacture for. It may start out with some support at the get go, but movie studios will eventually move over to HD-DVD for cost purposes. And more people are already familiar with the DVD format. The introduction of blu-ray would probably confuse those non-technical people about what to get. They'll most likely stick with what they're familiar with - DVD.

My 2 cents...

A'men. Exactly what I said. When there is a middle aged guy standing at the shelf deciding between this "blu-ray" thing and HD-DVD, he'll go HD-DVD, both the acronyms HD and DVD are thrown around alot. He'll know HD is good, DVD we have that, it's good, this one has to be good.

[PS2Hawk]

blue ray is not designed by SONY you noobs.

blue ray costs more but has its advantages over hd-dvd.

[fpstream]

blue ray is not designed by SONY you noobs.

blue ray costs more but has its advantages over hd-dvd.

I think everybody is aware of that. However, Sony is backing it. It'd be like saying F-18 aren't American, they're designed by military contractors.

[EricRyan34]

I dont think that it will affect the PS3 at all, not giving it really any advantages or disadvantages to the console war

[Jagasian]

This will make PS3 systems and games more expensive to manufacture. That is bad for Sony and consumers. However, it will make backups and piracy of PS3 games more difficult. This is good for Sony, but both good and bad for consumers. Consumers should be able to backup their games, but rampent piracy hurts developers and therefore can hurt the consumer.

It is starting to look like Microsoft made the best choice here. Current generation games use single layer DVDs, and next generation Xbox 360 games can use dual layer DVDs, which means twice as much data. Improving things by a factor of two between generations is considered good: 16-bit to 32-bit, double CPU speed, double the RAM, etc.

Having extremely large amounts of read-only data sounds great until you realize that the system will need equally powerful memory capacity, bus bandwidth, graphics capability, etc, to be able to utilize extremely high resolution textures, models, etc. With blu-ray, the data bottleneck will end up being the system's RAM, into which the textures and models must be loaded in order to be used. Bottlenecks mean that system resources are wasted because some parts of the system are far more powerful than other parts, and hence the most powerful parts of the system will tend to go un-used.

Still, one can't but think that Microsoft's decision for backing HD-DVD instead of blu-ray, has more to do with the fact that Sony has chosen blu-ray for their next-gen gaming system. Microsoft knows that this choice will hurt Sony's next-gen system, and Microsoft has done stuff like this in the past. They will do what it takes to come out as number 1 in the video game industry, either with the 360 or possibly the generation after that. Remember what they did to Netscape? Sure Sony is a tougher beast, but that means nothing to Microsoft.

[buttasuperb]

blue ray is not designed by SONY you noobs.

blue ray costs more but has its advantages over hd-dvd.

a noob calling people noobs...

HILARIOUS

[Nes]

Supposedly HD-DVD will allow you to make a backup of your movie. Such a feature has not been included in blu-ray.

[njiska]

blue ray is not designed by SONY you noobs.

blue ray costs more but has its advantages over hd-dvd.

a noob calling people noobs...

HILARIOUS

Well it is PS2Hawk i mean that says something.

Anyways i'd love to hear Hawks explanation about who designed Blu-Ray. Maybe it's that guy who was in the grassy knoll.

[fpstream]

blue ray is not designed by SONY you noobs.

blue ray costs more but has its advantages over hd-dvd.

a noob calling people noobs...

HILARIOUS

Well it is PS2Hawk i mean that says something.

Anyways i'd love to hear Hawks explanation about who designed Blu-Ray. Maybe it's that guy who was in the grassy knoll.

Maybe he thinks Microsoft designed it, and Sony, being the geniuses they are with the PS2 and all, stole it and made it 10 times better! Microsoft just got pwned! Oh, and njiska, your new avatar has me all mixed up. All my time here it was always Killer 7, we always posted in the same things. And then wham! New avatar.

[fpstream]

Gasp! A double post, look at my inflated post count. Anyway here is why I posted: http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/29/news_6134745.html, does this mean HP and Dell are having other intentions? Also, since Michael Dell is a self-proclaimed gamer, does this mean he likes the PS3 better. Yes, there is my conspiracy. And Ruby is working for Sony and is going to take out Bill Gates and Moore. Should write a book about it.