SNES Fire Team Rogue/Apollo, 32X Soul Star, MD Ninja Gaiden?

[DreamTR]

I just came across a crazy batch of games yesterday, and I am curious as to what people know about these titles. Apparently Fire Team Rogue was done by Accolade, features four characters, and Soul Star for 32x does not have a title screen, it's some weird shooter. Also, Apollo (two letters that I forget at the end of the name) is some English Racing game I think made by Seika??? Even an english MD version of Ninja Gaiden that is way different from the arcade versions. Anyone have any more info?

[hydr0x]

heh, did you acquire protos of these?? if so, i bet evan might be interested in some info about fireteam rouge

[Bluteg]

Oh great, more depressing news.

[DreamTR]

Yes, I acquired these and 33 others in a trade that was pending for years until I received this package the other day...Evan, he was just asking me stuff about Eurit.

[poloplayr]

Fire Team Rogue...hmm...please post more info/photos.

Only know of Ignition Factor and Firemen for SNES/SFC

[hydr0x]

Fire Team Rogue...hmm...please post more info/photos.

Only know of Ignition Factor and Firemen for SNES/SFC

fire team rouge is a action platformer though iirc

nice find then DreamTR

[pragmatic insanester]

the ninja gaiden MD is a beat 'em up. lucky bastard.

[DreamTR]

I don't usually have photos I take and place on websites, so it's probably not going to happen anytime soon. I am going to finally be working on a website for selling and buying things, but that's when my gf has time to do the website since I placed her in charge of it ;) I can say that Fire Team Rogue does NOT look finished, though.

That Mega Drive Ninja Gaiden has a level skip as well...

[Adol]

Is your Ninja Gaiden japanese,american(genesis) or PAL?

[fishsandwich]

I just came across a crazy batch of games yesterday, and I am curious as to what people know about these titles. Apparently Fire Team Rogue was done by Accolade, features four characters, and Soul Star for 32x does not have a title screen, it's some weird shooter. Also, Apollo (two letters that I forget at the end of the name) is some English Racing game I think made by Seika??? Even an english MD version of Ninja Gaiden that is way different from the arcade versions. Anyone have any more info?

Soul Star X should be the title... it was supposedly an enhanced port of the regular Sega CD game. Is it CD or cart?

Facinating!

:D

[anagrama]

Is Ninja Gaiden the same as the circulating ROM?

[badinsults]

Here is the Fireteam Rogue info I have:

http://snescentral.edgeemu.com/article.php?id=0113

[badinsults]

I found an archive of a site that has a bunch of concept art for the game:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010422193522/www.flyinggoat.com/Games/ftr_p01.html

[DreamTR]

I do not think it is PAL, but I know it is in English in terms of the cutscenes, there is a built in stage skip when you pause the game and move the existing timer, and everything seems to be in English except for the opening sequence where there are bits of Japanese. The title screen has 1988 Tecmo and reprogrammed in 1993 by someone else I believe.

I have never seen the ROM on the net, was this game even released in Japan for Mega Drive?

Also, SOUL STAR that I have is the 32X CARTRIDGE version.

Thanks for the info on Fire Team Rogue, I will check that out.

I also got a beta of Final Fight TOUGH? SOme SNES game with SAMPLE 9/14 at the title screen, and RAINBOW COTTON PANORAMA for MEga Drive, and some SNES RPG in Japanese called "Dragon something"

[anagrama]

I do not think it is PAL, but I know it is in English in terms of the cutscenes, there is a built in stage skip when you pause the game and move the existing timer, and everything seems to be in English except for the opening sequence where there are bits of Japanese. The title screen has 1988 Tecmo and reprogrammed in 1993 by someone else I believe.

I have never seen the ROM on the net, was this game even released in Japan for Mega Drive?


It was never released, but there is a ROM of mysterious origin floating around. Think there's been a thread or two about it here in the past, too.
Couple o' pics: http://www.classicgaming.com/ninjagaiden/ng-gen.html


RAINBOW COTTON PANORAMA for MEga Drive

Say what? O_O

[DreamTR]

Yeah, mine looks like the gameplay on that one. Title screen is the same, there's some early rendition of him running around with Japanese text in the beginning before the title screen...

I'm not sure of that title, something Panorama Rainbow.....but I know it's a Mega Drive game in Japanese.

[badinsults]

Is it like other cotton games? (ie a shooter featuring a wizard on a broom).

[DreamTR]

Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

[anagrama]

Ah, 'tis the rather fine Panorama Cotton, I'd assume. There's also a sh*t-rare Sample Cart version aswell.

Nice fuggin' haul! :)

[Dimitri]

Yeah, mine looks like the gameplay on that one. Title screen is the same, there's some early rendition of him running around with Japanese text in the beginning before the title screen...
The ROM floating around has the game intro and stage namecards in Japanese, but all the in-game cutscenes have really bad English.

Also, the sound test doesn't work in the currently-dumped ROM. Which is a pain in the neck for me trying to rip the soundtrack (which is quite good and also completely different from every other Ninja Gaiden game). The game itself is awful, though...and certainly far from complete.

[DreamTR]

Yeah, that game is quite putrid. I know if you pause and press the C button when moving the pad around, you can skip to other stages. I hope I can get some more stuff from this source soon ;)

[pragmatic insanester]

-sobs, seeing The Shadow on a website that was linked- my poor unreleased baby!

[badinsults]

DreamTR sent me some screenshots of Fireteam Rogue, I will post them next week (I am on holidays this weekend, and the hockey season starts tomorrow).

[DreamTR]

Another NTSC copy of Waterworld was in the package as well. The SNES racer was called ASTRO GO!GO!

[pragmatic insanester]

i see the SFC version of astro go! go! pretty often.

[hydr0x]

Another NTSC copy of Waterworld was in the package as well. The SNES racer was called ASTRO GO!GO!

ntsc astro go go????? if so, i never thought they had plans to port that one, dear god, why would you choose that game over others :/

[Gigadeath]

The Ninja Gaiden cart needs to be dumped.

The dumps currently on the net seems to hacked to death, having a clean dump would be nice. Do you have a copier?

[DreamTR]

Maybe they were looking into it because of FZERO!

As for Ninja Gaiden, no, I do NOT have a copier, and NO, I have no way to "dump" games. I don't even have an emulator! It's also not going to go on the net for free to anyone and their brother, especially with "1" post without some type of compensation...

[CartCollector]

You expect compensation for IP you don't own? O_O

[Predatorxs]

You expect compensation for something you didn't make? O_O

I can't believe you even said that? O_O LOL

Mike..

[Gigadeath]

Well, don't get angry! If you want you can keep it for yourself, no problem.

I've done my fair share of contribution to the dumping community, you can be sure I won't begin begging now, after all the money and the time I spent finding needed carts.

Cya!

[CartCollector]

Sorry, I didn't quite mean it the way I said it at first.

[DreamTR]

Let me set a couple of things straight again....

Gigadeath, I did not mean to come across like that, but I am not going to contribute something (after I have already done a lot of that already) without being compensated for the value of the cart. It's not a wrong thing to ask for either, but it's also a little presumptuous to think I should let everyone play it for free while my games gets devalued and I am not compensated for its value partially.

Cartcollector:

I am not talking about IP property. If you bought something for $500, and you uploaded it so everyone can play it, and you are not compensated for what you paid, who's the one that's losing out here? It's a simple request of a small donation if everyone wants to play. I have repeatedly said I have no problem doing this, but you have no right to ask me to give it up for free without me getting some type of compensation towards it. It is only fair.

What is not fair are all the people who want ROMS thinking they have a RIGHT to play the game for free as soon as they find out one person paid a lot of money for that cart.
I'm a collector, but I'm also a decent enough guy to understand the history and want to contribute some stuff to everyone, but the polite thing to do would be to get a group of guys together and pony up some small donations.

I tried this on Assemblergames.com with some people who had a guy on AIM waste my time thinking I was selling the carts for $100 apiece, (not just allowing people to use ROMS) and then said "no one plays Genesis, they are worthless even if it is unreleased." I am not in the mood for crap like that if you know what I mean.

[Bluteg]

I have repeatedly said I have no problem doing this, but you have no right to ask me to give it up for free without me getting some type of compensation towards it. It is only fair.

Is it fair for gamers who actually PLAY games to be withheld from playing an unreleased game simply because a HOARDER... I mean collector is afraid the value of his slowly decaying EEPROM with decrease. Carts and CDs do not last forever. If they are not dumped and preserved then they may be lost forever.

[Wavelflack]

You don't have to be "withheld from playing an unreleased game" (?!). You can pitch in a portion of the cost of the cart.

Oh, you mean you want to be a freeloader and get it for nothing? Tsk, tsk...

[DreamTR]

BLUTEG, I don't "play" games? You must have me confused with someone else. Half of the NES games and some of the SNES and Genesis games on the web are from MY carts. I hardly call that HORDING.

Also, I competed in the 1990 NWC, go to fighting game tournaments and compete, as well as classic gaming tournaments and can more than hold my own in many old school games competitively. I can hum the damn tunes to almost any NES game on cue for pete's sake...(And no, I am not beating my chest or anything at this rate)

I am just trying to clarify your obvious lack of intellect in this matter. No one said anything about me not "dumping" the games. They are and can be PRESERVED without you playing it for free. If you want to pay $1000 for a game, and let everyone play it and you not recoup your cost, that's your problem. I happen to doubt you'll ever do such a thing, but i've already take losses from a lot of my unreleased stuff being dumped, so get your facts straight about accusing "horders" and "collectors" about things you know nothing about.

[Gigadeath]

I understand DreamTR's point of view. After all money is what makes the world go round (and I tell this without any negative meaning).

But I don't like the thread going the route "we want to play hoarder / you won't play parasites". Playing is a moot point here. Totally moot.

A perfectly playable Ninja Gaiden rom has been available since the jurassic age, years and years and years. Anyone who wanted to play it already did. There's a 99,99% probability that DreamTR's cart and the public dump are the same, gameplay-wise, hell, let's tell it, it's almost sure the dump comes from DreamTR's very cart, probably by a previous owner.

My interest in the dump is purely in getting the exact bit-to-bit copy of this rare proto, since the current dump(s) have all sort of things hacked into the code (the most noticeable thing is the header, which was copy-pasted from the Street Smart dump LOL ). The original clean dump was lost.

I won't repeat the usual "the cart will rot and you'll get nothing for it anyway", sure, protos' EEPROMs are much less durable than regular ROMs, but still more durable than floppies and such, so the cart could be good for a few years still.

Either part has its reasons. I aim at preservation (hope this doesn't sound too pretentious), the owner aims at capitalising its investment, both perfectly fair goals IMO. But money are what gives us something to eat, not ideals, so DreamTR's turns out to be the winner either way.

[pragmatic insanester]

let's talk more about The Shadow. the whole dumping debate was done to the death in that megacd fighter game thread.

[DreamTR]

Gigadeath, you can preserve the ROM without everyone else playing it though. I'm not here to "capitalize" on the investment. But I'm not giving it away for free. I'm easy. Trades are welcome, people come up with things I want, and help me with stuff, I'll help them. Also, I am pretty sure this is NOT that exact dumped one. If it was, the other games I got from said party would have been dumped, and I do not think this person even has an emulator!

All in all, I just won't stand for someone to come on here lambasting me with hidden wording about people then don't know anything about.

[Bluteg]

How many potential gamers even know about those unreleased games? How many MORE would if they were dumped?

[DreamTR]

Bluteg, are you really this stupid? THOSE GAMES I MENTIONED ARE DUMPED. HOLY CRAP ARE YOU DENSE! THOSE WERE CONTRIBUTED BY ME! Please learn reading comprehension skills, thanks.

[Wavelflack]

[quote="DreamTR"]Bluteg, are you really this stupid? quote]

I know the answer!!!

1. Yes.

[badinsults]

Damnit, I had hoped this topic would stay away from this politics crap.

Can the mods split out the crap? I would like to keep this topic about these amazing discoveries, not the pros and cons of dumping a game.

[DreamTR]

Evan, I don't know, some people who don't pay attention to things in the community for ROMS seem to still have their own agenda. Hope you enjoy the pics

[Dimitri]

I'm curious if the sound test in that Ninja Gaiden cart works -- it's broken in the current ROM. If I had the cash I'd offer to buy the cart and dump it myself...I somehow doubt the $60 I have on me would be sufficient, though. ;)

Alas! The guy who owns them is the one who owns them! :P Dumping them is his prerogative.

[hydr0x]

dear god @ all the childish rom people in here

seriously, we all know DreamTR's point of view on this matter, and while i'm different (which public dumps by me show) i fully understand why's he's doing it. What i understand even more though is the fact that there's no need to argue about that, and no use in it either ;)

so let's go with the talk about the actual games please, thx

[anagrama]

we all know DreamTR's point of view on this matter, and while i'm different (which public dumps by me show)

C'mon, that's not really fair either - as he said above, there's plenty of DreamTR's games that have been dumped & distributed. And whichever games you've dumped probably didn't cost several hundred dollars ;)


Anyway, I'd sling a few $$ into a kitty to see the Ninja Gaiden dumped, but I don't know how possible it'd be to raise a large amount for it when there's already the hacked dump circulating freely...

[hydr0x]

we all know DreamTR's point of view on this matter, and while i'm different (which public dumps by me show)

C'mon, that's not really fair either - as he said above, there's plenty of DreamTR's games that have been dumped & distributed. And whichever games you've dumped probably didn't cost several hundred dollars ;)


lol, don't misread what i said (and especially don't cut of a sentence like that). DreamTR himself said he doesn't make a dump public unless he get's the money for it he paid for the cart/pcb, i'm not saying anything else. Of course he also made some dumps public, i have no idea how many exactly though. What i know though is that every final US nes rom out there has been dumped by other people (too). Like i said, i can understand his point of view, but it still IS his point of view, you can't argue that ;)

about my dumps not costing too much, that's not quite fair
1) dreamtr does not spend any money to get things dumped, he spends it to get the stuff into his collection, so it's not fair to compare sums
2) i've spend a couple of hundreds on undumped stuff too, not to mention the costs of the copier
3) it's not like i didn't dump any one of a kinds ;)

[DreamTR]

Hydrox, you are right, I do spend it to get into my collection.

What you are incoorect about, and also fail to realize is that for many years I worked at a video game magazine. It is not exactly legal to be dumping prototypes and using emulators. No one's to say it's illegal to "own" prototypes, but it sure as heck is not "illegal" to own sample carts of games, that much I know. Try coupling the dumping factor with me having regular contact with game companies, and that's not a well thought out match.

Now, as for why I charge money for dumping, think of it this way, and this is plain and simple, I will lose money on the value of the game if it is dumped, it will not be one-of-a-kind anymore at this point. BY virtue of it devaluing my game, I want to be compensated for the lost value, which is usually around 60-70% of the total cost of what the cart would have went for UNDUMPED if sold.

You can say what you want, but I could just by all means not even OFFER these items for anyone because of all the obvious backlash in the ROM community for people that are way to expectant on the ability to play a ROM for free over the net.

So let me state my thoughts on this, I WILL dump stuff if I am compensated. If that's a problem, well, I'm not paying hundreds or thousands of dollars for games for YOU to play them for free. By me OFFERING this service, everyone is happy, I keep my cart, and I am compensated for its value.

If you want me to give you examples of what I am looking for, try $250 to dump Ninja Gaiden, and $400 to dump Fire Team Rogue. That's not a lot of money considering groups of people will pay $1500+ to play English copies of existing Famicom releases that never came out in the USA...

If ANYONE wants to play ANY of my unreleased stuff, by all means, let me know, and we can work something out for the community to ENJOY.

If there is any backlash from me offering dumps for cash, and think they should play it for free, by all means, buy my carts outright. Everything has a price, but it won't be cheap. The pricing on dumps WILL be fair.

[mills]

I wish I could have games like these fall into my lap! (although Im sure you paid alot for them)

[hydr0x]

dude, dreamtr, did you even read what i said? i'll quote myself



i fully understand why's he's doing it

that's basically enough said, you're aiming your explanations towards the wrong guy, i understand your point and i did not even critisize that you keep your dumps private, i never said that. all i said was two things

1) people should not argue with you about this, because there's no use in it (and this is NOT meant in a negative way)

2) i do it different (and i explained this because of anagramas comment towards me)

i can understand you're getting angry here, but please remember it's not because of guys like me, but because of some rom-kiddies in here, so aim your rant at them, not me, thx

[DreamTR]

Hydrox, it's not bolted towards you, but you are right. It's stupid ROM kiddies like bluteg who don't know their history before they speak, and then when they get shut down have nothing to say because they would look even sillier trying to come up with an excuse.

[CartCollector]

I'm still waiting for Fire Team Rouge pics...

[DreamTR]

I gave them to Evan.