Am I the only one not feeling the love for Xbox 360?

[Cmtz]

This launch is starting to look like a Dreamcast launch, great games, great system, but it looks like most people are waiting for Sony or Nintendo. I expect this system to sell very well when it comes out, but as soon as those PS or Nintendo commercials come out I think it's all over for Microsoft. Anyways, how do you guys feel about the anticipation of this new system? Are you excited? How about your friends?

[Joker T]

I see potential but I think that your are right most people are waiting

[Chuplayer]

I see little more than a few extra polys and a few new lighting effects. It looks nice, but not $400 nice.

[FurinkanianFrood]

I would buy one this year if it came with a HDD for $300.

I have gotten over my initial anger about the tier crap but it will delay my purchase.

They could have found a way to make a system that powerful that could retail $300 with all the fixins IMO.



I see little more than a few extra polys and a few new lighting effects.


Which is the same thing one will see with PS3. Basically both companies are just releasing new consoles because that the way things are done these days.

Graphical jumps have been getting smaller for some time. The brick wall approacheth. Why Nintendo doesn't explain their doings that way eludes me. They really need to qulaify those statements about diminishing returns with regards graphics quality eventually leading to a need for innovation.

If you jump the gun, explain yourself!! PR nightmare....

As far as people waiting, at least X360 doesn't have the horrid reputation problem Sega acquired with their systems prior to DC.

The Saturn is my favorite system, but Sega dropped the ball big time PR wise so hard.......

Of course, people still should have judged it against the competition by it's games and bought the DC in droves, but.....

WIthout the PR issues, I think that more people will change their minds when the PS3 arrives on the scene and decide that they will get a X360 instead after all.

The PS3 launch lineup could be even weaker than the PS2 lineup due to the even more bizarre hardware.....

And it will cost significantly more. The PS2 used the DVD thing to it's advantage, but I honestly don't believe that the US consumer will buy into Blu-ray on that level soon enough to provide that kind of boost over the cheaper X360.

Software support for the 360 does seem to have improved over the original, so there may be some momentum among developers (especially in JP) in that regard. Increases in support lead to further increrases in support, etc.

Also, unlike the orig XBOX, MS has now established that they can do game consoles, and unlike the GC, they don't have the whole cartridge/kiddie bs issue that somehow popped up from left field to haunt Nintendo.

On the other hand, consumers blow hundreds on frivolous gadgets all the time these days. They seem to care little about quality and know jack shit about technology they are told is "cool."

[PDorr3]

I just want it to play oblivion, because I think it is the best looking videogame to date, not to mention I was a huge fan of morrowind. Im hoping its still gonna be a launch title.

[Aussie2B]

I still can't even get particularly interested in the current XBox, let alone the 360. If Microsoft truly believes they can do much better in Japan with the 360 than they are currently, then they need to try A LOT harder because my Japanese-centric tastes have yet to be even mildly interested in anything for the 360.

[FurinkanianFrood]

I still can't even get particularly interested in the current XBox


Basically for me the current one is just a Sega, Tecmo, Capcom, SNK thing, then add on a few of the best western games.

I have mild interest in the 360, but that's about it. Miiillld.

I expect I will have one eventually though.

And like many others I am interested in EScrolls 4.

I just worry about how much the depth will suffer because of the much, much shorter dev time, not that it couldn't still be a great game and all, but......

[Cantaloup]

After watching all 3 E3 presentations and the previews we've been shown in the meantime, I'm waiting for the PS3.

Microsoft's presentation was all non-interactive video clips, and mostly they talked about on-line gaming. Although the idea of playing old arcade games on-line (Gauntlet was mentioned) interested me, the games they showed did not look that impressive. Let me clarify: they looked good, and clearly better than what we have now, but they didn't look "next generation" good. More recent screenshots and video clips haven't changed my mind, although Gears of War looks pretty good in pictures. I will have to see the console in person to really tell how good it looks. Also, the lack of any kind of next generation optical media player is a negative (at least psychologically if not technically); there are hints that future versions of the console may be upgraded with HD-DVD, and we all know how well most console "upgrades" fare.

Sony's E3 presentation, on the other hand, had some seriously impressive real-time interactive demos in addition to the usual video clips. If you haven't seen these demos, head on over to IGN and check them out. The stuff they showed truly looked and behaved "next generation." The big question is whether we will see this level of performance on the final, shipping hardware and if so, what the cost will be. So far we've only really seen the MGS4 trailer.

If you're Sony or MS, you've got to convince me to shell out $400 for a new system. If it's only marginally better graphics than current hardware, I don't think people will go for it. I'd personally wait until the price drops and lots of good games are available. But I get a serious "Wow!" vibe from what I've seen of the PS3 so far, which is something I don't get at all with the Xbox 360. I just hope Sony can actually deliver on the goods.

[zerohero]

Its all about the games, and Xbox 360 has none at launch that intrest me other that DOA4. One game to me is not enough to justify a purchase of a 400+ system.

[Anthony1]

I think this system is going to sell extremely well this holiday. In fact, I think there are going to be shortages in the U.S. and Europe. There are going to be periods of time during this holiday season when you won't be able to find a XBOX 360 at any store for like 8 or 9 days.


People are going to be selling them for inflated prices on Ebay and in the classified ads, etc, etc.


The key factor is going to be marketing. It's going to come down to how MS spends their Marketing dollars this holiday. If they spend those dollars wisely, they should sell several million in the U.S. That is going to give them a nice healthy start.



As for people complaining that there isn't any decent games, I don't understand how you downplay games like Oblivion and Gotham 3 and Need for Speed:Most Wanted and Perfect Dark Zero and Kameo and Madden and NBA 2K6 and Call of Duty 2 and Quake 4, etc, etc. I mean there are some damn good games coming, and those are just the day 1 games.

[Cmtz]

As for people complaining that there isn't any decent games, I don't understand how you downplay games like Oblivion and Gotham 3 and Need for Speed:Most Wanted and Perfect Dark Zero and Kameo and Madden and NBA 2K6 and Call of Duty 2 and Quake 4, etc, etc. I mean there are some damn good games coming, and those are just the day 1 games.

I think those are damn good games, but many people are tired of playing the same ol game everytime a system launches. Let me explain.

Sport games look good, but the fact is it's a sports game and it will play like a sports game. The graphics will be tuned up, but at the end of the day you'll spend more time trying to win the game, looking at the plays and so on. It's more of the same.

Perfect Dark Zero, Quake 4, Call of Duty are all games that more than likley will fall short when it comes to Halo. Don't get me wrong they are all great games, but as of right now Halo is the King. The only new thing that I've seen here are the graphics.

The Xbox 360 has some Damn solid titles, but that's all they are solid, nothing new or inovative to make people go all @_@ @_@ gaga over. I think every time a system launches there should be some bugs in your stomache and I have yet to feel that with Microsoft.

[zektor]

No doubt the 360 will be very cool, games and all. But, damn, who affords $400 for a game system? I dunno, maybe it's just me, but game consoles "seemed" to be cheaper in the heyday. I know they weren't, but I think somehow money was less valuable for me then.

I'll get one, but it definitely will not be at a $400 price tag. Looks like I'll be enjoying these launch titles a year in.

[swlovinist]

I am mildly interested, but without a killer app, count me out. Just my opinion, but I have to disagree with the 360 selling out this holiday. The consumer market right now is bad for entertainment. The 360 is in a pickle. I dont think ENOUGH people are going to get it at launch. Hell if the hardcore audience is saying "ehh, I ll wait", then what is the standard public thinking O_O

[Bojay1997]

The idea that a system needs quirky or niche titles to generate consumer interest is absurd. Is a killer-app like Halo a system seller? Absolutely. But Halo is not really quirky or niche. It's just a really exceptional first person shooting game. It wasn't the first and it won't be the last. If you look at sales numbers, sports games, racing games and shooters sell in big numbers. That goes for PS2 and XBOX. It will be the same for PS3 and 360. The 360 launch library has more A-list titles than any other system launch I can recall. I'm sure Sony will retaliate with a strong launch line-up as well.

The reality is that the software development community has changed in the last five years. The medium and small developers have either gone under or been bought up by a very small number of large development houses. There just aren't tons of smaller independents anymore to do the quirky stuff. Japan is a different story and maybe PS3 will have an edge for those gamers who want something a little less ordinary. However, this is not what mass market consumers really care about.

[Cmtz]

I agree about the sport games, but I really think people will still want to play them on the Xbox, PS2 or PS3 and maybe, just maybe the Revolution, not the Xbox 360.

[zerohero]

As for people complaining that there isn't any decent games, I don't understand how you downplay games like Oblivion and Gotham 3 and Need for Speed:Most Wanted and Perfect Dark Zero and Kameo and Madden and NBA 2K6 and Call of Duty 2 and Quake 4, etc, etc. I mean there are some damn good games coming, and those are just the day 1 games.

Some of the games you listed are NOT launch games. If Quake 4 was a launch game Microsof would have one of my balls in their hands. If Gears of War was a lauch game, they would have sac in the palm of their hand.But with nothing to look forward to , why would I spend 400 on a system with one fighting game I want? It just doesn't justify spending 400 bones.

[RCM]

If things continue the way they're going I expect MS to cut into Sony's marketshare. MS and Sony both have a lot of hype surrounding their machines. It only takes one game, one exclusive to change the tide. MS needs to recieve titles like GTA at the same time sony does. In the end i hope all 3 machines thrive casue i'm buying em all as usual.

[njiska]

I'm excited. As a dreamcast fan i am worried that the box is gonna be a repeat, but fuck it, i'm gonna enjoy it while it lasts. I love DOA, the xbox meets my needs. I love Elder Scrolls, the xbox meets my needs. I hate final fantasy, but hey i'm still looking forward to Blue Dragon. THe xbox 360 has every thing i need and i can't wait to get it.

I don't care if anyone else isn't looking forward to it, i'm just gonna enjoy it while i can.

[Sothy]

Oblivion.

I wont pick it up the first day of Launch but I will be getting a 360 eventually just for this game.


I guess some sports people are excited too but I could give a shit how good Madden or NBA looks.

[Stark]

I could care less since the 360 shows nothing new other than higher priced games. I will not be buying one anytime soon if ever. Although another DOA Volleyball game might entice me LOL

[DigitalSpace]

On November 22nd, I'm going to purchase something I've been waiting to get for quite a while - the new System Of A Down CD.

I'm not getting a 360 anytime soon. I have too many unplayed games from this generation alone to justify paying $400 for a new console, and the core system is a joke. Along with that, Project Gotham Racing 3 is the only exclusive launch title I have anything close to a remote interest in.

[THATinkjar]

I need to be convinced that I'll enjoy the Xbox 360 on a non-HD television.

[Zubiac666]

I need to be convinced that I'll enjoy the Xbox 360 on a non-HD television.

yeah that's the problem imo.
Most(if not all) of the trailers showed on web/ads/presentations ran on HD-TVs.I'm pretty sure that the wow-effect isn't here nomore when running on standart TV.It will look better than this-gen but not THAT better.
Also MS screwed themselves (again) at the X05 show:
Almost all journalists beat the show down as a "VERY dissapointing event which showed that most games are graphicly scaled down in comparision to the trailers and showed nothing new".
Perfect Dark Zero looks like an average xbox1 FPS and even Kameo lost it's charme by turning it into another "Lord of the Rings" wannabe.
MS also showed "Elder scroll oblivion" which looked like a joke compared to the trailers: VIDEO (http://rmjv.net/vi/oblivionx05gp1.wmv) (running on xbox360 hardware filmed at the X05 event).
Weren't the zombies burning in the trailers when you shoot them?and what happened to all the effects?

[Sylentwulf]

Personally, I don't care at all about the damned system. For me it always comes down to one simple thing. I only own one current gen system at a time until prices fall WAY WAY down. For me, that system has to be the one with the most rpg's and japanese games. That sysytem will be the PS3, no question. So, knowing that I will have a 0% chance of getting a 360 until it drops to under $150. I have no interest in it at all.

And that's AFTER I get the revolution most likely.

[gepeto]

The only thing that I feel that should have happened is that microsoft should have waited the xbox is starting to put out its best games and there is still alot mileage left in the current xbox.

I don't believe this can be compared to the Dreamcast launch because the Dreamcast was underpowered and the management had too many issues.

The xbox 360 I believe can hold up to any thing the Ps3 can put out. The e3 shows Ps3 had all video that looked awsome to microsoft credit they had early production real time games. I refuse to fall for the Sony pr machine smoke and mirrors. Yes I seen metal Gear 4 and yes the xbox 360 can macth it pound for pound.

Remember the ps2 emotion engine hype oooo on screen enemies display seperate emotions. Look at the old mans face. Watch the BIRDIE.

Bottom line is the xbox's three 3.2 gig cores cannot be denied.
Its funny there is not a game out there yet built to come close to handling such power and it wont be for years yet people are already digging the hole to bury Microsoft.

I am going to get the 360 and I believe it will do well. For what you get it is well worth the 299 or 399 price.

In the end of the current gen systems xbox had the more powerful system. Ps2 had the games. If the game is going to be on multplatform I usually go for the xbox version. Microsoft online infrastructure is light years ahead of sony.

[jdc]

We're all big boys and girls here on DP, and we've weathered more than a few system launches together. You know and I know that it's going to be the "same old same old" this time around as well.

The system will launch, there will be inflated prices and shortages and gougers will sell them in the newspapers for insane prices because it's the holiday season and little 12 year old Timmy needs one for Christmas come hell or high water. There will be one or two titles for a while that will wet your appetite, then comes the waiting. You'll get your Xbox 360 home, plug it in and expect it to do magic......and it will dawn on you that you just paid more money than you really needed to on a silver Xbox and that it was actually the ORIGINAL Xbox that did the magic show.

I've had multiples of each of the 3 current gens and the Dreamcast.....and with the small exception of the Cube and Dreamcast, it was what the consoles could do BESIDES play games that initially got me excited. It was a new feature and was cool. It WAS worth running out and grabbing on launch day. These new consoles can't do anything else that the current gens can. I would dearly love to play the new Elderscrolls....because it's a new Elderscrolls, not because it's a "better" Elderscrolls. I finished Morrowind (took nearly 2 years), but I recently picked up the GOTY edition, so that will satisfy my Elderscrolls jones for at least the next year yet.

IMO there's nothing spectacularly "new" about any of these upcoming consoles that warrants paying stupid prices on launch day. Since I am totally enamoured with my PSP, and tired of spending gobs of money on 3 consoles, I've promised myself that I will only buy ONE of the next gen consoles this time around, so I will most likely wait to see what Nintendo and Sony offer first.

[Julio III]

The launch seems far too early for me. I've always been excited for Project Gotham 3 just because of the sheer amount of time i've spent with the 2nd game. The DoA4 TGS footage looked really good but then the Metal Gear Solid trailer shown at TGS kind of held me in disbelief. I want to see a side-by-side comparison of the 360 and PS3 and see how they really compare. When the 360 was first shown I was far more interested than I am now. Microsoft need to push it in front of the general public to succeed. I think most people over here are far more excited about Pro Evo 5 than any next-gen system

[Cmtz]

I don't believe this can be compared to the Dreamcast launch because the Dreamcast was underpowered

The Xbox is underpowered compared to Sony's PS3. The dreamcast might have been underpowered, but we still argue about where crazy taxi looks better. The Dreamcast graphics were very good and could compete with Sony head to head. The problem was that they were fighting Sony. The Xbox is a huge company, but we all know Japan will not support the Xbox and Xbox cannot survive on an American income alone.

[smokehouse]

I think JDC hit the nail on the head. Once the glitz and glam is gone, you got your launch day console after much effort and quite a bit of $$ and after the “ooooo’s” and “aaaaaah’s” are gone you’re left with a hefty credit card bill and some crappy launch titles. In a week or so you’re left with a shiny new console that is now sitting there unused.

Let’s face it, the best games are often the last ones released in the life cycle of a console. Not always but I think it would be safe to say the Xbox titles now beat the hell out of it’s original launch titles. It will be the same for the 360.

With all of that said I must answer the question at hand. No, I will not be buying a 360 nor am I interested in getting one anytime soon. I don’t care. I gave the Xbox a chance in my home and I landed up selling it, it’s simply not my cup of tea. I imagine the 360 to be more of the same.

One thing that I do find interesting is that people are comparing the Dreamcast-vs-PS2 thing to the 360-vs-PS3. I think the two situations could not be farther apart from each other. Is the 360 probably less powerful than the PS3, I’d say yes but on the other hand the PS3 is still vaporware. Have you played or seen one? What are the FINAL specs on the unit? What will the price be? No one really knows.

I just going to play Metal Slug and King of Fighters on my MVS come the 360 launch day…and I’ll be better off for doing it.

[The Collector]

but we all know Japan will not support the Xbox and Xbox cannot survive on an American income alone.


Which is insane since sony and nintendo cant survive without profits made from American gamers. Face it japan hates us, they always have. Maybe not to our faces or should i say our wallets. Frankly i wish MS would stop trying to kiss their collective asses and open their eyes to the customers in their own backyard. Oh, and you're not going to play HALO 3 on ps3 so.....seems clear to me.

Not only am I buying a launch premium 360, but an extra wireless controller, 2 plug and play kits, PDZ, Call of duty 2, and quake 4. I'e been putting down a paultry $50 a week so on 11-22 there will be $0 out of pocket.

~bill

[The Collector]

I just going to play Metal Slug and King of Fighters on my MVS come the 360 launch day…and I’ll be better off for doing it.

Big deal, i'll be playing SSVS on my Super Neo 29 Candy cab.
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[zerohero]

but we all know Japan will not support the Xbox and Xbox cannot survive on an American income alone.


Which is insane since sony and nintendo cant survive without profits made from American gamers. Face it japan hates us, they always have. Maybe not to our faces or should i say our wallets. Frankly i wish MS would stop trying to kiss their collective asses and open their eyes to the customers in their own backyard. Oh, and you're not going to play HALO 3 on ps3 so.....seems clear to me.

Not only am I buying a launch premium 360, but an extra wireless controller, 2 plug and play kits, PDZ, Call of duty 2, and quake 4. I'e been putting down a paultry $50 a week so on 11-22 there will be $0 out of pocket.

~bill

So that puts you at around 600 bones right? Man you guys just have cash hanging out your wallets.

[smokehouse]

I just going to play Metal Slug and King of Fighters on my MVS come the 360 launch day…and I’ll be better off for doing it.

Big deal, i'll be playing SSVS on my Super Neo 29 Candy cab.

Well, aren’t you a cocky ass hole.

You’re buying a 360 on launch day….who cares. You have a MVS system…again, who cares. I wasn’t bragging, I was saying that I would be playing great games without dropping loads of cash.

Have fun playing cookie cutter titles like Halo 3… That seems like a clear cut reason to write off a system like the PS3….


moron.

[Aussie2B]

Basically for me the current one is just a Sega, Tecmo, Capcom, SNK thing, then add on a few of the best western games.

While those are good Japanese developers, my problem is that those companies are choosing to release very specific kinds of games for XBox, ones that would appeal more to a Western audience than the games those same companies release for PS2 and GameCube. In the case of Capcom and SNK, they're mostly going with fighters, which makes sense since they can take advantage of XBox Live, but I don't really play fighters much. And if I DO want to play a fighter, like smokehouse, I'm better off playing my MVS, especially considering most of the SNK XBox games are poor ports of their worst games (the post-Playmore stuff). With Tecmo, they too are riding along mostly with Dead or Alive, and even if they're not selling a fighter, they're still selling everything they make with sex. I got little respect for the company anymore, so I'd be much happier playing an NES Tecmo game. And Sega... they've gone downhill too, but I still enjoy them. However, I prefer their platformers and RPGs, most of which they're putting on other consoles.

[Anthony1]

Alot of people in this thread aren't exactly jumping for joy about getting a 360, but we aren't the target demographic. Retro gamers aren't exactly Microsoft's key demo.



So I think that the negativity here towards the 360 isn't indicative of the general feel in the gaming community. Also, I think that it's really easy to talk smack about the 360 right now, but when the TV commercials start, and the Kiosks show up at GameStop and EB, and when the thing is actually available and people can buy it....Then it will be a little more difficult to talk smack about it.



All I know is that I'm going to be playing some unbelievable games come Midnight November 21st. I will have spent quite a bit of money, but I will be enjoying it right then, when it is happening, when it is fresh, when it is exciting and new. I want to be right there when the first wrinkles of next gen technology are first discovered. I want to see the motion blur and the depth of field and all the crazy special effects that developers are going to way overuse early. I want to see the sweat technology that the NBA games are going to be using.




As for whether the 360 will ultimately be a success or not, well, I personally feel that 5 million 360's will be sold in North America prior to the release of the PS3, and 5 million is a pretty good head start.

[Slipdeath]

I'm not going to act cocky like some of the people above. But yes I will buy an Xbox 360 on launch day. Actually I already paid off a the $400 bundle, pdz, call of duty 2, and a extra wireless controller. Sure it's a lot of money, but there really isn't a feeling like getting a system on launch day. Most of you guys grew up wanting to buy the systems asap (SNES, NES, or whatever it was) and it I just feel the same way.

[Cmtz]

Remember that Sega sold 5 million as well before PS2 ever came out.

[smokehouse]

I’m not saying that it won’t be neat to get a launch day console, I’m saying that the “neat” factor always runs out and very quickly. It was definitely that way with my N64 and PS2.

As for what MS is focusing on in terms of games I agree with many of the comments above. I don’t play sports titles and I’m completely tired of FPS titles be it online or not. Almost everything else on the current Xbox is a wash to me.

I think the 360 will be the same in terms of game types and thus my lack of interest.

[Joker T]

Personally I think the 360 looks cool but....... I will likely not get one.

The games that appeal to me:
-Prey
-Quake 4
-Elder Scrolls:Oblivion
-Full Auto

yet all these are coming out for Pc except Full Auto which is coming out for PS3

[Tritoch]

I'm looking forward to it a lot, but I'm a certified hardware whore so I look forward to every shiny new thing. Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion is really the only launch title I'm looking forward to (especially now that they've delayed Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter), but I'm eager to play with the new Xbox Live stuff and several titles next year have me interested.

[Cmosfm]

I'm still in the same "I don't really care" boat. The graphics look better, but I can get the same on my year old PC, and the games are pretty much the same as I already have on my PS2...nothing has dazzled me yet. I'll admit that the PGR3 graphics look nice, but am I buying a new system just for that? Nope.

When some games come out that I really want to play, I'll buy one, and then that's only after a Price drop or I can get one used, cheap.

Then again, I still want one, why? Cause I'm a new system whore....a new system makes me water at the mouth. This time though, I'm holding back. I can't afford it nor do I want to afford it. I spent 600.00 on the PSP launch and barely put over 2 hours into each game I bought, they got old fast. Besides that, I have an Xbox which has acted as a huge ass DVD player for the past 2 years, I can't remember the last time I actually played a game on that thing...the games don't appeal to me (I don't do online gaming, I don't like console FPS and I don't like sports games), except the multi-console games, and then I get them on the PS2 because that's my system of choice.

So there, I have no reason to buy a Xbox 360 other than the fact that I want a new system just to own it, and I can't afford that right now, so I'll be passing till it has great games I want to play or I see a nice used price/price drop.

[PS2Hawk]

I have to agree I hate First person Shooters but thats not the reason for me to say that xbox360 sux or anything, but man there are so many shooters at launch.

Secondly there is no Tekken. I want and I seriously hope that there is a Tekken game at PS3 launch. I won an xbox360 through pepsi promo and the only game I will be getting is Kameo. I hope that game is as good as everyone is saying it is.

[sabre2922]

I don't believe this can be compared to the Dreamcast launch because the Dreamcast was underpowered and the management had too many issues.



no offense man but UNDERPOWERED? WHAT THE FUCK ARE U TALKING ABOUT? :roll:
With a statement like that Im almost certain that YOU HAVE NEVER PLAYED A DREAMCAST IN YOUR LIFE and are one of those that still think that the PS2 was sooo much powerful when in fact IT WAS NOT.

You play the original Soul Calibur today and tell me that the DC was fucking underpowered you crazy man and wrong waaaaay wrong.

Anyway back to the subject at hand.

I guess Im one of the few passing on PS3 and think that there will be VERY FEW DIFFERENCES GRAPHICALY BETWEEN THE TWO (360 and PS3).

The Xbox360 does have a great line-up soo far especially for the casuals or sports fans and as stated many times before that is what sells systems and the Xbox360 will be a good to great seller IMO and I think will force Sony to a premature release of the PS3 much sooner than they would have preferred, the after affects being (possibly) :hmm: a weak launch line-up ala PS2.

Although I cant afford a 360 upon launch I plan on getting one as soon as possible.
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[JJNova]

Sony's E3 presentation, on the other hand, had some seriously impressive real-time interactive demos in addition to the usual video clips...The stuff they showed truly looked and behaved "next generation." The big question is whether we will see this level of performance on the final, shipping hardware and if so, what the cost will be.

That's exactly what we said at the PS2 tech demo at 2000's E3. Well, we never did see games that nearly looked as good as promised. Matter of fact, a lot of the PS3 presentation looked almost identical to the PS2 one.... alas, not living up to the hype hasn't hurt sony, and they are dominating the console market. By a large margin. So the more smoke and mirrors, the more you dazzle people so they can't see through the gleam, the more you smile and dance, the more people believe. C'mon PS3, you can hopefully give us what was promised on PS2!

[gepeto]

I don't believe this can be compared to the Dreamcast launch because the Dreamcast was underpowered and the management had too many issues.



no offense man but UNDERPOWERED? WHAT THE FUCK ARE U TALKING ABOUT? :roll:
With a statement like that Im almost certain that YOU HAVE NEVER PLAYED A DREAMCAST IN YOUR LIFE and are one of those that still think that the PS2 was sooo much powerful when in fact IT WAS NOT.

You play the original Soul Calibur today and tell me that the DC was fucking underpowered you crazy man and wrong waaaaay wrong.

Anyway back to the subject at hand.

I guess Im one of the few passing on PS3 and think that there will be VERY FEW DIFFERENCES GRAPHICALY BETWEEN THE TWO (360 and PS3).

The Xbox360 does have a great line-up soo far especially for the casuals or sports fans and as stated many times before that is what sells systems and the Xbox360 will be a good to great seller IMO and I think will force Sony to a premature release of the PS3 much sooner than they would have preferred, the after affects being (possibly) :hmm: a weak launch line-up ala PS2.

Although I cant afford a 360 upon launch I plan on getting one as soon as possible.
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Just because a game has great graphics doesn't mean the system is not under powered.

I have over a hundred dreamcast titles. The Dreamcast was a great system died way before its time but to sit here and act like the system wasn't underpowered is straight fanboyism.

The xbox core mhz speed was 733 ps2 was 333mhz the dreamcast was 200mhz with 33k modem. You can get far cry to run on the Dreamcast BUT THE SPECS DON'T LIE.

The Soul Calibur games graphics are great even buy todays standards but there best game started and ended with the launch.

Any limited system can be pushed to its limit just depends on the developers commitment. Just look at Doom 3 or half life 2 for the xboxs.

[THATinkjar]

You can get far cry to run on the Dreamcast BUT THE SPECS DON'T LIE.

Sorry... erm... are you saying someone has got Far Cry to work on the Dreamcast? Am I missing something here?!

[gepeto]

You can get far cry to run on the Dreamcast BUT THE SPECS DON'T LIE.

Sorry... erm... are you saying someone has got Far Cry to work on the Dreamcast? Am I missing something here?!

I was speaking hypothetically, basically even if you were able to get far cry to work on the dramcast it doesn't change the facts about the specs.

[Jumpman Jr.]

I'm definitely not feeling the love. It just seems like the same thing over again. I've seen the screenshots and I've seen the cases for the games at EB and such, but I'm just not impressed. Looks like an Xbox to me.

[Cmtz]

You can get far cry to run on the Dreamcast BUT THE SPECS DON'T LIE.

Sorry... erm... are you saying someone has got Far Cry to work on the Dreamcast? Am I missing something here?!

I was speaking hypothetically, basically even if you were able to get far cry to work on the dramcast it doesn't change the facts about the specs.

I think he knows the dreamcast is underpowered, but you said that the Xbox 360 power vs PS3 power was not the same thing as DC vs PS2. That made it seem as if the DC was way underpowered when in fact if was only 133 mhz less than a ps2.

[Dire 51]

No Vic Viper = no sale. I'll be getting a PS3... sometime in 2008. LOL

[FurinkanianFrood]

While those are good Japanese developers, my problem is that those companies are choosing to release very specific kinds of games for XBox, ones that would appeal more to a Western audience than the games those same companies release for PS2 and GameCube. In the case of Capcom and SNK, they're mostly going with fighters, which makes sense since they can take advantage of XBox Live, but I don't really play fighters much. And if I DO want to play a fighter, like smokehouse, I'm better off playing my MVS, especially considering most of the SNK XBox games are poor ports of their worst games (the post-Playmore stuff). With Tecmo, they too are riding along mostly with Dead or Alive, and even if they're not selling a fighter, they're still selling everything they make with sex. I got little respect for the company anymore, so I'd be much happier playing an NES Tecmo game. And Sega... they've gone downhill too, but I still enjoy them. However, I prefer their platformers and RPGs, most of which they're putting on other consoles.


As far as what Tecmo is doing, as long as it still has decent gameplay to back it up, I don't see a problem with it. Of course that means the Vball is out, because it's pure.... you know what. But the fighters and Ninja Gaiden are actually good games, despite the characters and some of the NG cutscenes.

What is Sega making these days that 100% qualifies as platformers? The Genny had great platformers, but.....

And they last decent RPGs they made were on DC, i.e. Eternal Arcadia, etc. All of the stuff on PS2 has liitle in common with their older RPGs IMO. The character designs and such look rather odd to me for one thing.



worst games (the post-Playmore stuff)


I wouldn't say they are the worst, though they certainly aren't the best, and how are they poor ports of them?

And MSlug 3 is definitely not post Playmore.

I don't have an MVS, so basically I am limited to games I am able to afford the home cart for, like the SSpirits, KOF, FFury games.

Basically, I like having access to cheap ports of MSlug 4+5, SVC Chaos, because they are worth having IMO if they are cheap enough.



choosing to release very specific kinds of games for XBox, ones that would appeal more to a Western audience


Companies seem to mostly release stuff that appeals to a Western audience on everything stateside. There are few things that Capcom and Sega put on GC that I really like, but on PS2 there are only games that I could take or leave coming from Sega, some of which are butchered ports of arcade games like VF4. And I think the gamplay in that one was a downgrade to begin with.

As far as Capcom, I just really play fighters a lot.

The main issue I have with X360 is it so damn dependent on Rare, who never really impressed me in terms of games the way they did some people, though I don't reallly have any problem with most of their games.

[Crush Crawfish]

As of right now, I have no plans to buy an Xbox 360. Simply because nothing coming out for it anytime soon really appeals to me, and I've got a veritable behemoth of a backlog that I'd rather work on.

However, I WILL eventually get one. There are definitely some interesting games coming out for the system, such as Blue Dragon and that other game where you play as a man who lives for 1000 years. But until the library expands a bit, I'm holding off.

[alec006]

Sad that im only buying the system for 2 games,now if it has backward compatability with xbox games and can accept regular xbox memory cards (transforing files to 360) yea ill love it for a while.