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Xizer
10-12-2005, 07:26 PM
There's over 50 games coming out between now and March 2006.

WTF?! Everywhere I go I hear "Yep, cube's dying." "R.I.P. cube" "Cube's dead until Twilight Princess."

Do people really think this?

CYRiX
10-12-2005, 07:32 PM
GameCube was alive?


haha that was a knee slapper! lol


do you have a list of these 50 games?

Emuaust
10-12-2005, 07:40 PM
50 games you say? well while I wont debat that could you possibly do some research into how many the other 2 consoles are releasing in that window?

What I and everyone else is saying is that the GC is starting to wind down, maybe not right now but after march it is really looking very sick for the GC.

I will not debat that there ARE games coming out for the system but what people are saying is the future looks a lot shorter for the GC then it does for the PS2 or XBOX,(in terms of new releases/support) Fact. 8-) 8-) -_-

Cmtz
10-12-2005, 07:40 PM
WHy don't you read the thread that talks about this.

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71915&sid=9e16e2fe8fbc828b98aa90bf9b7d8bcf



PS. Games for Game Cube:

10/05 Bratz: Rock Angelz
10/11 SSX On Tour
10/12 Codename: Kids Next Door: Operation V.I.D.E.O.G.A.M.E.
Ty the Tasmanian Tiger 3: Night of the Quinkan
Zatch Bell! Mamodo Battles
10/17 Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance
10/18 Tony Hawk's American Wasteland
10/19 SpongeBob SquarePants: Lights, Camera, Pants!
10/20 Chicken Little
10/24 Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix
Midway Arcade Treasures 3
The Sims 2
10/25 Lego Star Wars
Spartan: Total Warrior
10/26 Nicktoons Unite!
10/31 Ed, Edd n Eddy: The Mis-Edventures
11/01 Call of Duty 2: Big Red One
From Russia With Love
Sea World: Shamu's Big Adventure
Shrek SuperSlam
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3: Mutant Nightmare
The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer
11/07 Mario Party 7
11/08 American Chopper Full Throttle
Gun
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
Viewtiful Joe: Red Hot Rumble
11/14 The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe
11/15 Cabela's Dangerous Hunts
Chibi-Robo
Karaoke Revolution Party
Kirby
Need for Speed Most Wanted
Pac-Man World 3
Shadow the Hedgehog
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
True Crime: New York City
Yoot Saito's Odama
11/21 Peter Jackson's King Kong
12/05 Super Mario Strikers
12/06 Mega Man X Collection
Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones
2/01 Starcraft: Ghost
2/03 Curious George
2/04 Greg Hastings' Tournament Paintball Max'd
3/01 Splinter Cell 4


Games for PS2:
10/06 Cardinal Arc: Konton no Fuusatsu (IF Collection)
Dragon Ball Z Sparking!
Harukanaru Toki no Naka de 2 (Koei the Best)
Mawaza
Nobunaga no Yabou: Ranseiki (Koei Teiban Series)
San Goku Shi IX (Koei the Best)
Simple 2000 Series Ultimate Vol. 27: The Houkago no Love Beat
Simple 2000 Series Vol. 86: The Menkyou Shutoku Simulation
Winning Post 6 (Koei the Best)
10/13 Code Age Commanders
Critical Velocity
Prince of Persia: Kenshi no Kokoro
Racing Game: Chuui!!!!
Rasetsu Alternative
Star Wars: Battlefront (EA Best Hits)
10/20 Burnout Revenge
D1 Grand Prix 2005
Hisshou Pachinko Kouryoku Series Vol. 1: CR Shinseiki Evangelion
Kokoro no Tobira (Best Hit Selection)
Nano Breaker (Konami the Best)
Only You (Best Hit Selection)
Princess Maker (Best Hit Selection)
Princess Maker 2 (Best Hit Selection)
Recca no Honoo: Final Burning (Konami Dendou Collection)
Shuffle! On the Stage
Shuffle! On the Stage (DX Pack)
Simple 2000 Series Vol. 79: The Party Quiz: Akko ni Omakase
10/27 Akaiito (SuperLite 2000 Adventure)
Atelier Marie + Elie
Atelier Marie + Elie (Limited Edition)
Clover Hearts: Looking for Happiness (Best Version)
Desire (Best Version)
Fuuuraiki 2
GoldenEye: Dark Agent (EA Best Hits)
Killzone
Konneko: Keep a Memory Green
Konneko: Keep a Memory Green (First Print Limited Edition)
Koukyoushihen Eureka Seven - TR1: New Wave
Langrisser III
Memories Off #5: Togireta Film
Memories Off #5: Togireta Film (Limited Edition)
Oretachi Game Center Zoku: Burger Time
Oretachi Game Center Zoku: Super Volleyball
Oretachi Game Center Zoku: Terra Cresta
Oretachi Game Center Zoku: Yie Ar Kung Fu
Sakigake!! Otokojuku
Sega Ages 2500 Series Vol. 20: Space Harrier Complete Collection
Sega Ages Vol. 20: Sega System 16 Collection: SDI & Quartet
Shirogane no Torikago
Shirogane no Torikago (Limited Edition)
Simple 2000 Series Vol. 88: The Mini Bijo Keikan
Ultimate Pinball
Ultraman Fighting Evolution Rebirth
Wander to Kyozou
Yoshitsune Eiyuuden Shura
11/02 Another Century's Episode (PlayStation2 the Best)
Bokujou Monogatari: Oh! Wonderful Life (PlayStation2 the Best)
Daito Giken Koushiki Pachi-Slot Simulator: Ossu! Banchou
Minna no Golf 4 (PlayStation2 the Best Reprint)
Naruto: Narutimate Hero 2 (PlayStation2 the Best)
Pilot Nina Rou! 2 (PlayStation2 the Best Reprint)
Ratchet & Clank (PlayStation2 the Best Reprint)
Ratchet & Clank 2 (PlayStation2 the Best Reprint)
Saru Get You 3 (PlayStation2 the Best)
Shining Tears (PlayStation2 the Best)
Siren (PlayStation2 the Best Reprint)
Tekken 5 (PlayStation2 the Best)
Tenchu Kurenai (PlayStation2 the Best)
Wild Arms: The 4th Detonator (PlayStation2 the Best)
Xenosaga Episode II: Jenseits von Gut und Bose (PlayStation2 the Best)
11/03 Beat Down: Fists of Vengeance
Kengo 3 (PlayStation2 the Best)
Kono Haretasora no Shita de (Good Price)
Kousoku Kidoutai: World Super Police
Mar Heaven: Arm Fight Dream
Pop'n Music 7 (Konami the Best)
Pop'n Music 8 (Konami the Best)
11/10 EyeToy: Play (PlayStation2 the Best)
Game ni Nattayo! Dokuru-chan
Game ni Nattayo! Dokuru-chan (First Print Limited Edition)
Hitman: Contracts (Eidos Best)
K-1 World GP 2005
NBA Live 06
Psi-Ops: Psychic Operation
Saru EyeToy (PlayStation2 the Best)
Shinobido Imashime
Simple 2000 Series Ultimate Vol. 28: The Tousou! Kenka Grand Prix - Drive to Survive
Simple 2000 Series Vol. 89: The Party Game 2
Simple 2000 Series Vol. 90: The Oanechan Bara 2
Simple 2000 Series Vol. 91: The All Star Kakutou
The Getaway: Black Monday
World Tank Museum For Game
11/17 BeatMania IIDX 10th Style
Blocks Club with Bumpy Trot
Garouden Break Blow
God of War
J-League Winning Eleven 9: Asia Championship
Keroro Gunsou: MeroMero Battle Royale Z
Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED: Rengou vs. Z.A.F.T.
The Matrix: Path of Neo
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
11/22 Jissen Pachinko Hisshouhou! CR Hokuto no Ken
11/23 .hack//Fragment
Dororo (Sega The Best 2800)
Friends: Seishun no Kagayaki (Best Version)
Izumo 2
Izumo 2 (First Print Limited Edition)
Little Aid
Metal Slug 4 (SNK Best Collection)
One Piece: Pirates Carnival
One Piece: Pirates Carnival (Multi-Tap Edition)
Otome Hao Anesama ni Koi Shiteru
Otona no Gal Jan 2
Ratchet & Clank 4th: GiriGiri Gigna no Giga Battle
Sakura Taisen V Episode 0: Arano no Samurai Musume (Sega the Best 2800)
Samurai Spirits Zero (SNK Best Collection)
Sanyo Pachinko Paradise 12
Sentimental Prelude (Reprint)
Soul Calibur III
The King of Fighters 2002 (SNK Best Collection)
11/24 Akumajo Dracula: Yami no Juin
Exciting Pro Wrestling 6: SmackDown! vs. Raw (Yuke's the Best)
Gallop Racer 8: Live Horse Racing
Ikusa Gami
Matantei Loki Ragnarok Mayoukaku
Monochrome (SuperLite 2000 Renai Adventure)
Puyo Puyo Fever 2
Rune Princess
Rune Princess (First Print Limited Edition)
SSX On Tour
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06
11/26 Harry Potter to Honoo no Goblet
12/01 BioHazard 4
Chaos Field New Order
Crash Bandicoot: Gacchanko World
Dual Savior Destiny
Dual Savior Destiny (Messiah Box)
Homura
Kamen Rider Hibiki
Kino no Tabi II: The Beautiful World
Pop'n Music 10 (Konami the Best)
Pop'n Music 9 (Konami the Best)
Psikyo Shooting Collection Vol. 2: Sengoku Ace + Sengoku Blade (Taito Best)
Tough: Dark Fight
12/08 Fragments Blue
Fragments Blue (Special Edition)
Godzilla Kaijuu Dairansen: Chikyuu Saishuu Kessen (Atari Hot Series)
Kawa no Nushi Tsuri: Wonderful Journey (Best Collection)
Momotarou Densetsu 15
Monster Farm 5: Circus Caravan
Rogue Galaxy
Ryuu ga Gotoku
Simple 2000 Series Vol. 92: The Noroi no Game
Sugar Sugar Rune: Koimo Osharemo Pick-Up
Taiko no Tatsujin: Wai Wai Happy Muyome
Taiko no Tatsujin: Wai Wai Happy Muyome (w/Tatakon)
12/15 Cartagra
Chicken Little
D.C.F.S. Da Capo Fall Seasons
D.C.F.S. Da Capo Fall Seasons (DX Pack)
Gakkou o Tsukurou: Happy Days!! (Best Collection)
Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 12 Ketteiban
Konjiki no Gashbell: Go! Go! Mamono Fight!!
Konjiki no Gashbell: Go! Go! Mamono Fight!! (w/MultiTap)
Peter Jackson's King Kong
Shadow the Hedgehog
Slotter Up Core 8
Sunrise Eiyuutan 3
Tales of the Abyss
12/22 Eyeshield 21: AmeFoot Yarouze! Ya! Ha!
G1 Jockey 4
G1 Jockey 4 + Winning Post 7 Twin Pack
Kingdom Hearts II
Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence
Naruto: Narutimate Hero 3
Need for Speed Most Wanted
NeoGeo Battle Coliseum
Sega Ages Vol. 22: Advanced Daisenryaku: Deutch Dengeki Sakusen
Sega Ages Vol. 23: Sega Memorial Selection
Simple 2000 Series Ultimate Vol. 29: K-1 Premium 2005 Dynamite
Simple 2000 Series Vol. 93: The Unou Drill
Simple 2000 Series Vol. 94: The Aka-Champion - Come On Baby
Tennis no Oji-Sama: Gakuensai no Oji-Sama
12/29 Bleach: Hanatareshi Yabou
Front Mission 5: Scars of the War
Psychic Force Complete
Psychic Force Complete (w/ Wendy Figurine)
Psychic Force Complete(w/ 3 Figurines)
Psychic Force Complete(w/ Emilio Figurine)
Psychic Force Complete(w/ Wong Figurine)
White Clarity: And, the Tears Became You
White Clarity: And, the Tears Became You (First Print Limited Edition)
1/26 Canvas 2
Canvas 2 (DX Pack)
Jewels Ocean: Star of Sierra Leone
Jewels Ocean: Star of Sierra Leone (Special Pack)
Wizardry X 2: Mugen no Gakuto
2/11 Siren 2
2/23 Galaxy Angel II
Galaxy Angel II (Deluxe Pack)
Gensou Suikoden V
3/16 Final Fantasy XII

Xizer
10-12-2005, 07:44 PM
The GameCube, as of now, has over 530 games. By the end of its life it will probably have over 600.

Is that a failure? That's more than most other systems have had. It will be over twice as many games as the Nintendo 64 had.

Cmtz
10-12-2005, 07:45 PM
The GameCube, as of now, has over 530 games. By the end of its life it will probably have over 600.

Is that a failure? That's more than most other systems have had. It will be over twice as many games as the Nintendo 64 had.


No one said it was a failure, it just didn't make as much money as the other two. At least here in the states. 600 games is what a normal system should have now a days, if not more.

calthaer
10-12-2005, 08:06 PM
Whether it made more money than the other two is directly related to the operating profit of the company, and NOT necessarily dependent upon the number of units sold. People who think that the Gamecube was somehow a big "loser" for Nintendo seem to have little concept of how businesses are actually run. If I sell twenty widgets and lose $1 on each one, then my P&L report would = -$20. If, however, I make $1 off of each of five widgets that I sell, AND I am able to sell WidgetCD for +$5 and I sell ten of those, then my P&L = +$55. Which scenario is better?

Of course, there are also things like mindshare and whatnot to take into consideration, but I'm not completely convinced that Nintendo lost that war as big as everyone thinks they did.

From what I hear, Nintendo has almost certainly made more money on the Cube than Microsoft has on the Xbox. It certainly doesn't stack up to the PS2, but then again - Nintendo probably made a boatload off of its own games, and Sony doesn't produce a ridiculous amount of games for its own PS2.

Muscelli
10-12-2005, 08:13 PM
There are no noteable games coming out for it besides zelda.. This is just my opinion, but yeah... many others too.. thats why they are saying that its "dead"

Cmtz
10-12-2005, 08:17 PM
muffinman943

You're a PSP nut?

dbiersdorf
10-12-2005, 08:18 PM
Whether it made more money than the other two is directly related to the operating profit of the company, and NOT necessarily dependent upon the number of units sold. People who think that the Gamecube was somehow a big "loser" for Nintendo seem to have little concept of how businesses are actually run. If I sell twenty widgets and lose $1 on each one, then my P&L report would = -$20. If, however, I make $1 off of each of five widgets that I sell, AND I am able to sell WidgetCD for +$5 and I sell ten of those, then my P&L = +$55. Which scenario is better?

Of course, there are also things like mindshare and whatnot to take into consideration, but I'm not completely convinced that Nintendo lost that war as big as everyone thinks they did.

From what I hear, Nintendo has almost certainly made more money on the Cube than Microsoft has on the Xbox. It certainly doesn't stack up to the PS2, but then again - Nintendo probably made a boatload off of its own games, and Sony doesn't produce a ridiculous amount of games for its own PS2.

*applauds*

The amount of quality games has gone down significantly since say last years time (we had Metroid Prime 2, Paper Mario 2, Donkey Konga, Prince of Persia Warrior Within, Tales of Symphonia, Baten Kaitos, etc.). But at the same time we do have a good deal of third party support this holiday season. King Kong, Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones, Call of Duty 2, Midway Arcade Treasures 3, Chaos Field (I know that's a big one for DP members), The Sims 2, LEGO Star Wars, Viewtiful Joe: Red Hot Rumble, Shadow the Hedgehog, True Crime 2, and much, much more. And to top that off we have Nintendo's offerings - Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness, Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix, Odama (hopefully), Super Mario Strikers, Mario Party 7, ChibiRobo, and of course Fire Emblem.

The torch is still burning, and doesn't show signs of dying yet. Talk to me in six months, and then I might agree with you.

njiska
10-12-2005, 08:20 PM
Can't we have just one post about this? Seriously it seems like it keeps coming up every week.

Look Xizer i can tell you love the GC but you have to accept that it's dying. The system isn't being supported by most 3rd-party developers and it's not selling like the other 2. The GC has been on life support for a long time and now it's finally gonna die.

NOTE That's Dying, not dead.

Flack
10-12-2005, 08:22 PM
The GameCube, as of now, has over 530 games. By the end of its life it will probably have over 600.

Is that a failure? That's more than most other systems have had. It will be over twice as many games as the Nintendo 64 had.

Comparing the success of your console to the N64 is kind of like saying your moustache looks better than Geraldo's.

Slimedog
10-12-2005, 08:49 PM
The Man from 2002

I can understand your confusion, man from the past. In the three years since you entered your stasis capsule, the GameCube has had a rich and vigerous life. From your perspective the GameCube was full of potential and limitless possibilities. Sadly, those hopes and dreams are all but played out. The ruthless barbarian hordes of Microsoft and Sony and slowly choked its vital supplies of new software and left the GameCube the pitiable shadow of the system that it once was. Its like the fall of Rome all over again. But do not loose faith. Prophecy tells of another that will someday rise to assume the throne. An underpowered upstart called "Revolution".

Xizer
10-12-2005, 08:57 PM
The GameCube, as of now, has over 530 games. By the end of its life it will probably have over 600.

Is that a failure? That's more than most other systems have had. It will be over twice as many games as the Nintendo 64 had.

Comparing the success of your console to the N64 is kind of like saying your moustache looks better than Geraldo's.

Well, considering the fact that the N64 is the predecessor to the GameCube, I figured it was something good to compare to...the GameCube has managed to get double the games its predecessor had.

studvicious
10-12-2005, 09:13 PM
Well, considering the fact that the N64 is the predecessor to the GameCube, I figured it was something good to compare to...the GameCube has managed to get double the games its predecessor had.

No, you made a valid point. A lot of people say that the GC sucks... it doesn't have any games.... no 3rd party support... etc. But yet it does have a larger library than the system before it. And it looks like when it's all said and done - it will only be about 100-150 shy of the mighty NES even.

boatofcar
10-12-2005, 09:53 PM
Can we have a little mod lock-redirect action? Seriously, we talk about this all the time.

Ernster
10-12-2005, 10:38 PM
Who cares if GC had more games than N64. N64 had more GOOD games and IMO had better exclusibe 3rd party games than GC. Plus in just about every case where there was a 3rd party game on N64 an PSX, N64 had the better version, yet this gen that goes to XBOX. Plus N64 was innovative and GC was boring...IMO.

N64 sold 32 million where GC is struggling to pass the 20 million mark. Nintendo made more money with N64 compared to GC, and the GC era is the only era in a long time where Nintendo actually made a qrt loss.

N64 was not a flop but GC is, well in my neck of the woods anyway.

If N64 was CD based it would of gave the PSX a run for its money, that's for sure :(

Continue on :P

christianscott27
10-12-2005, 11:47 PM
i dunno you go into a gamestop nowadays and the cube is relegated to a little aisle shelf where xbox and PS2 get a whole wall each...although if you consider the space also occupied by the DS and GBA stuff its not like nintendo is dead. seriously though look at that list for the GC, its mostly kiddy stuff, cutsey E for everyone low budget cartoon license crap. paint it orange and rename it the nickelodeon cube. ah well its the console i've largely ignored this generation and now look forward to picking up its classics for cheap as i wait for next gen to have a price drop.

philosophyst
10-12-2005, 11:54 PM
I'm still pissed that NCAA Football 2006 wasn't released for the Cube.

captain nintendo
10-13-2005, 12:10 AM
The GameCube, as of now, has over 530 games. By the end of its life it will probably have over 600.

Is that a failure? That's more than most other systems have had. It will be over twice as many games as the Nintendo 64 had.


No one said it was a failure, it just didn't make as much money as the other two. At least here in the states. 600 games is what a normal system should have now a days, if not more.


Thats the problem with todays systems.....

Oooooo , lets have 300 games of crap come out this year *sarcasm*

Xizer
10-13-2005, 12:46 AM
I'm still pissed that NCAA Football 2006 wasn't released for the Cube.

Are you serious? You're pissed because yet another sports game doesn't come to the GameCube. Does anyone *intelligent* even buy sports games on a yearly basis? I'd say 1 sports game of each sport a generation of consoles is enough...there's usually only a major difference in sports games when there's a new generation of consoles. The GameCube already has several football games to choose from.

philosophyst
10-13-2005, 02:22 AM
I'm still pissed that NCAA Football 2006 wasn't released for the Cube.

Are you serious? You're pissed because yet another sports game doesn't come to the GameCube. Does anyone *intelligent* even buy sports games on a yearly basis? I'd say 1 sports game of each sport a generation of consoles is enough...there's usually only a major difference in sports games when there's a new generation of consoles. The GameCube already has several football games to choose from.

Whoa, calm down there buddy.

My apologies that I added my thought to this thread, it's certainly not worth busting a blood vessel over, chill! LOL

CreamSoda
10-13-2005, 04:42 AM
The GameCube, as of now, has over 530 games. By the end of its life it will probably have over 600.

Is that a failure? That's more than most other systems have had. It will be over twice as many games as the Nintendo 64 had.

That's true, but it doesn't make the GC better. N64 may have had less then half of the games, GC has. But N64 had more then twice the amount of classic games then the GC.

Just my opinion.

Jumpman Jr.
10-13-2005, 07:12 AM
If Yoshihiro Mori, senior managing director at Nintendo says the Gamecube is dying then I am going to have to agree with him.

jdc
10-13-2005, 07:45 AM
I got fed up with the Cube for good after buying it on two occassions. I won't be buying a Revolution because of the same reasoning. I don't like the idea of waiting through a very large list of mediocre games in order to play a few gems. At least with the other two systems, the ratio is a little more even, and on a regular basis. If the Cube was the only system that I had owned I would have died of boredom. Every time I went over to the Cube section, there was consistently nothing that I wanted to buy.

It's just my opinion, it's most likely not yours, but Nintendo does nothing for ME any more and the Revolution won't change a thing.

Kroogah
10-13-2005, 07:51 AM
I'm still pissed that NCAA Football 2006 wasn't released for the Cube.

Are you serious? You're pissed because yet another sports game doesn't come to the GameCube. Does anyone *intelligent* even buy sports games on a yearly basis?

Knock it off.

sabre2922
10-13-2005, 07:56 AM
I got fed up with the Cube for good after buying it on two occassions. I won't be buying a Revolution because of the same reasoning. I don't like the idea of waiting through a very large list of mediocre games in order to play a few gems. At least with the other two systems, the ratio is a little more even, and on a regular basis. If the Cube was the only system that I had owned I would have died of boredom. Every time I went over to the Cube section, there was consistently nothing that I wanted to buy.

It's just my opinion, it's most likely not yours, but Nintendo does nothing for ME any more and the Revolution won't change a thing.

Actually Im hopeful that the Revo WILL change things and shake the industry up a bit but Im just not sure that it will :(

IMO the Gamecube was a damn good little system it started out very well but somewhere into the second year of the systems life it took a nose dive off the cliff and Nintendo started there N64 habits all over again. Developer support was dropping of the scene for the GC and Nintendo seemingly did NOTHING to change that fact once again ANOTHER N64 BAD HABIT, Nintento starts there 2 great games a year and then nothing for a 3 month period within the 3rd year of the console O_O

You know the first 2 years I was really hyped about the Gamecube being a success I actually beleived it could out perform the Xbox (It was obvious that the PS2 was going to be #1) but yet agian I was waaaaay wrong.

Come to think of it JDC I really see your points on what Nintendo has done to themselves and Im sure your not the only used-to-be-Nintendo-fan out there that feals cheated and has washed their hands of the big N for the greener pastures of PS2/Xbox360/PS3 or whatever.

Flack
10-13-2005, 08:33 AM
The GameCube, as of now, has over 530 games. By the end of its life it will probably have over 600.

Is that a failure? That's more than most other systems have had. It will be over twice as many games as the Nintendo 64 had.

Comparing the success of your console to the N64 is kind of like saying your moustache looks better than Geraldo's.

Well, considering the fact that the N64 is the predecessor to the GameCube, I figured it was something good to compare to...the GameCube has managed to get double the games its predecessor had.

I was just kind of being silly, but my point was to determine whether or not a system is successful, it should be compared to other systems out now, not systems from a decade ago. That would be like saying the N64 was a failure because it didn't have as many games as the Atari 2600.

fishsandwich
10-13-2005, 09:11 AM
The Gamecube's #2 best-selling game last month was Super Smash Brothers Melee. That's a GameCube launch title, folks. It came out four years ago. It should not be in the top 10.

How many of the PS2's or X-Box's top 10 are fricking launch titles?

Nuff said.

For the record... I own none of the three current consoles. If I were to buy one now, it would probably be a Cube. No fanboy am I.

:/

Slimedog
10-13-2005, 09:35 AM
I got fed up with the Cube for good after buying it on two occassions. I won't be buying a Revolution because of the same reasoning. I don't like the idea of waiting through a very large list of mediocre games in order to play a few gems. At least with the other two systems, the ratio is a little more even, and on a regular basis. If the Cube was the only system that I had owned I would have died of boredom. Every time I went over to the Cube section, there was consistently nothing that I wanted to buy.

It's just my opinion, it's most likely not yours, but Nintendo does nothing for ME any more and the Revolution won't change a thing.

Actually, think GameCube has the highest wheat-to-chaff ratio of any of the current gen systems. I would estimate that every current system has about the same number of really good games. I love em all and there are good titles to buy for any box, but all the extra third party support for Sony and MS seems to translate to many more average games. I would guess that you either 1) don't much care for Nintendo 1st party titles or 2) really dig on RPGs or another underrepresented genere for the Cube.

sabre2922
10-13-2005, 09:43 AM
I got fed up with the Cube for good after buying it on two occassions. I won't be buying a Revolution because of the same reasoning. I don't like the idea of waiting through a very large list of mediocre games in order to play a few gems. At least with the other two systems, the ratio is a little more even, and on a regular basis. If the Cube was the only system that I had owned I would have died of boredom. Every time I went over to the Cube section, there was consistently nothing that I wanted to buy.

It's just my opinion, it's most likely not yours, but Nintendo does nothing for ME any more and the Revolution won't change a thing.



Actually, think GameCube has the highest wheat-to-chaff ratio of any of the current gen systems. I would estimate that every current system has about the same number of really good games. I love em all and there are good titles to buy for any box, but all the extra third party support for Sony and MS seems to translate to many more average games. I would guess that you either 1) don't much care for Nintendo 1st party titles or 2) really dig on RPGs or another underrepresented genere for the Cube.

The thing is that there are LOTS of underrepresented genres on the cube not just RPGs.

Thetik
10-13-2005, 11:12 AM
i put my cube away till twilight princess. I really dont see a use for it i already have all the good games and finished them.. RIP gamecube...UNTIL TWILIGHT PRINCESS :D :D :D

Leo_A
10-13-2005, 12:16 PM
"There's over 50 games coming out between now and March 2006.

WTF?! Everywhere I go I hear "Yep, cube's dying." "R.I.P. cube" "Cube's dead until Twilight Princess."

Do people really think this?"

Not all of us are looking forward to titles like Curious George and Disney's Chicken Little with the anticipation you must be I guess. Unless MAT3 for the Cube is dramatically improved over the Xbox version I purchased at launch, Zelda is the only title coming that I'm going to buy.

studvicious
10-13-2005, 04:19 PM
The Gamecube's #2 best-selling game last month was Super Smash Brothers Melee. That's a GameCube launch title, folks. It came out four years ago. It should not be in the top 10.

How many of the PS2's or X-Box's top 10 are fricking launch titles?

So what makes that different from any other Nintendo console? I'm pretty sure I remember seeing Zelda on the top 10 charts for the NES for a loooooong time as well as ALTTP for the SNES.. the same with SMB 3, SMW and SM64. There are a TON of people that think that SSB: Melee is a near perfect game - actually fun to play. It's not a new FPS with prettier graphics or some sports title. I'm really not surprised by it at all. The good games last forever - unlike a lot of flash in the pan hyped up games of the moment. Just a thought...

boatofcar
10-13-2005, 04:49 PM
It's just my opinion, it's most likely not yours, but Nintendo does nothing for ME any more and the Revolution won't change a thing.

That's a rather bold statement for a system that nobody knows anything about, other than the controller.

EDIT: At some point I will learn grammar.

RCM
10-13-2005, 04:49 PM
I say forget about sales and how many titles are still coming for the Cube Ninten-heads. The cube hasn't been able to compete with MS and Sony on any level since 2004. Yes I understand it had Metroid Prime 2 last year and Zelda's coming soon, but face it the Cube is virtually dead where it counts: software for us to play. There are many more options on Xbox and PS2. I love Cube and I have 7 more titles to buy before im done, but face it it's over. Compared to past Nintendo consoles Cube is a failure.

snes_collector
10-13-2005, 05:17 PM
My 2 cents:

The people who say GC is a failure haven't gane it a chance. People say the GC stinks when they haven't played but two games for it. GC isn't all sports games and FPS games, which are the only type of games alot of people play now days. Maybe people would like the GC more if they reliezed that sports and FPS games aren't all there is to play.


Just my two cents......

njiska
10-13-2005, 07:38 PM
My 2 cents:

The people who say GC is a failure haven't gane it a chance.

No people who say it's a failure, look at the sales, the upcoming titles and then look at 3rd party support. Then they compare it perportionally to the other consoles in this gen and past generations.

The GC isn't a failure like the Dreamcast was (it was never given a chance) but honestly, it's certainly not a real success either.

It's not about personal opinion but rather about market preformance.


People say the GC stinks when they haven't played but two games for it. GC isn't all sports games and FPS games, which are the only type of games alot of people play now days. Maybe people would like the GC more if they reliezed that sports and FPS games aren't all there is to play.

It's not just the games that are the problem. A lot of people think the GC stinks because Nintendo dropped the ball on online multiplay.

Of course that's just my 2 cents. :sob:

Xizer
10-13-2005, 07:44 PM
"There's over 50 games coming out between now and March 2006.

WTF?! Everywhere I go I hear "Yep, cube's dying." "R.I.P. cube" "Cube's dead until Twilight Princess."

Do people really think this?"

Not all of us are looking forward to titles like Curious George and Disney's Chicken Little with the anticipation you must be I guess. Unless MAT3 for the Cube is dramatically improved over the Xbox version I purchased at launch, Zelda is the only title coming that I'm going to buy.

Hmm, that's interesting, considering Chicken Little and Curious George are both scheduled to be on the PC, PS2, Xbox, and GBA.

You mention these games as if they're the only games coming out for the GameCube, despite the fact they're multiplatform. You're obviously trolling...the GameCube is also getting:

Call of Duty 2
From Russia with Love
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
King Kong
Kirby
Mega Man X Collection
Midway Arcade Treasures 3
Need for Speed Underground
Pac-Man World 3
Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones
Shadow the Hedgehog
Splinter Cell 4
Super Mario Strikers
The Sims 2
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
Tony Hawk's American Wasteland

Huh...verrrrry interesting...strange how you manage to blindly skip past these releases, ignore them, then point out the pure crap (which, incidentally, will be available on other platforms).

That said, anyone who thinks the GameCube sucks has the old Dreamcast mentality. The Dreamcast was largely underappreciated when it was released, and its excellent games were ignored by the mainstream. Today we look back on the Dreamcast and it is seen as one of the best systems of all time. I foresee the same situation with the GameCube...one day the GameCube will receive more respect. It will go on to join the ranks of the Dreamcast, as a top-notch console that should not have failed.

Leo_A
10-13-2005, 09:06 PM
Then state the correct number of titles then if you're going to exclude half of the remaining Game Cube lineup. Those titles exemplify roughly half of the upcoming Game Cube lineup very well.

And apparently being system exclusive means something to you too. A total of 1 of those titles you just mentioned is a Game Cube exclusive.

And stating that the Game Cube is near death isn't stating that the system sucks. No one ever said that, but somehow you're insulted by that. I own two Game Cubes and 15 games, I hardly think it sucks.

Face the facts, the system is near death. This holiday season is it's last as a mainstream system. Zelda next spring will basically be the end of it.

And you're the person trolling, you're entire topic flys in the face of the facts (Something you have ignored with everything in here). And you resorted to insulting people I guess when they disagreed.

Xizer
10-13-2005, 09:10 PM
Well DUH, Sherlock. Of course this Christmas season is going to be its last, considering the fact that the Revolution is going to come out next year. This Christmas is also when the PS2 and Xbox meet their deaths as well.

Leo_A
10-13-2005, 09:18 PM
What was the point of this topic then? For you to troll with?

"Why are people saying the GameCube is dying?

There's over 50 games coming out between now and March 2006.

WTF?! Everywhere I go I hear "Yep, cube's dying." "R.I.P. cube" "Cube's dead until Twilight Princess."

Do people really think this?"

dbiersdorf
10-13-2005, 09:20 PM
If any system should be worried about dying, it's Xbox. Seriously I haven't bought a game for that system since Conker's, and aside from Half-Life 2 there's really nothing worthwhile on the system aside from mounds of cookie cutter army games.

At the very least Nintendo didn't kill support to an already live and kicking console like MS did. Beat the compeitors? Ha! I'll pocket my $400 and buy some high quality PS2, DS, PSP, GBA and GCN games instead.

sabre2922
10-14-2005, 03:07 AM
[quote=

That said, anyone who thinks the GameCube sucks has the old Dreamcast mentality. The Dreamcast was largely underappreciated when it was released, and its excellent games were ignored by the mainstream. Today we look back on the Dreamcast and it is seen as one of the best systems of all time. I foresee the same situation with the GameCube...one day the GameCube will receive more respect. It will go on to join the ranks of the Dreamcast, as a top-notch console that should not have failed.

NO NO NO NO buddy most of us here KNEW THAT THE DREAMCAST WAS A GREAT SYSTEM WHILE IT WAS STILL ALIVE and have very similiar experiences( or flashbacks as is the case with me) when it comes to the inhumanity and horror of watching one of the most indredible home consoles (I think the best) ever die a very gruesome death at the hands of its own makers AND the mainstream public as they bought into Sonys hype machine like a bunch of brain washed Nazis (hows that for dramatic? :D LOL ).

The Dreamcast recieves very little additional respect other than from the very few that have purchased one or actually bothered to play one because they read on the net that it was actually a good system and not another 32X or (and I hate to say this I luv the Saturn also) another Saturn because those were the two main reasons that the mainstream and casual gamers didnt give the DC a chance at all.

My point is that I think you are already prematurely trying to glorify the Gamecube and bunch it in with the Dreamcast when the two are completely different (im not talking graphics or power here) in soo many ways.

Reason #1- the Dreamcast was an underdog from the start and had the backing of a much smaller and already cashstrapped company SEGA. The Gamecube had just as much chance at success as the Xbox and was supported by a company with A HELL OF A LOT MORE COLD CASH IN THE BANK.

Reason#2- The Dreamcast had arguably the greatest launch line-up of all time:one word SOULCALIBUR (thankx NAMCO ;) ) while the Gamecube well DID NOT

Reason#3- The Dreamcast was both a home arcade AND a great 3-D home console all the excellent arcade ports and inredible 2-D fighters cater to a completely different crowd than the Gamecube.

I do agree with you that it will have a following for years to come but just about every major game system released for the last 25 years does to some extent (some more than others though).
Im just not convinced that it will have a following like the Dreamcast or IF it does it will be a much different type of crowd.

Here comes the flame bait:
The Gamecube just has waaaay too many kiddie games period and that will hurt its future collectible interest IMO.

All that being said I DO PLAN ON PURCHASING ONE LAST NEW GAMECUBE for the Metroid Primes , REs and of course Twilight Princess;Zelda and a few Nintendo exclusives but thats it after those few games Ill be done recollecting my GC collection.

Nz17
10-14-2005, 06:20 AM
Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones
Shadow the Hedgehog

I am looking forward to those games this November! Oh Christmas Time, what a cruel mistress you can be!

Frica89
11-25-2005, 10:51 AM
The only exclusive titles that i think u really gotta watch for are zelda and kirby. i havent heard much on kirby and it feels like one of those games thats gonna get delayed until next generation...i hope they come out with it soon, cuz a kirby game on tha cube would be sweet as hell (air ride doesnt count) well if it doesnt i can always play mega man x collection...thats guaranteed to be awesome

SlayerX
11-25-2005, 11:20 AM
PS. Games for Game Cube:

10/05 Bratz: Rock Angelz
10/12 Codename: Kids Next Door: Operation V.I.D.E.O.G.A.M.E.
10/19 SpongeBob SquarePants: Lights, Camera, Pants!
10/20 Chicken Little
10/26 Nicktoons Unite!
10/31 Ed, Edd n Eddy: The Mis-Edventures
Sea World: Shamu's Big Adventure
Shrek SuperSlam
The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer
11/07 Mario Party 7
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
11/14 The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe

I think that's one of the best line-ups of video games I've ever seen... definitly all-star games in the making... it's about time to call Nintendo, and yell at them for my wallet that is about to take a pounding. x_x

Poofta!
11-25-2005, 01:07 PM
i knew the gamecube was going to die first when i bought it, which was 3 years ago.

before you label me a moron, i have 35 gamecube games, and frankly, only 10 or so are really worth owning, let alone playing. i bought my gamecube to play Zelda WW, i hated it, but that didnt make me give up on the gamecube, i knew it wasnt a winner, but hey, if theres at least one game i invest 20+ hrs into on teh system, my purchase (of 150$) is justified, thats jsut how i am, i own all 3 systems just so i can pick and choose what i play.

unfortunately that game never came, many came close, but nothing really worth keep coming back to, sure mario kart/party/melee were awesome, but they are multiplayer games, i get bored after 10 minutes of playing them alone (maybe if nintendo gave us internet support, instead of TELLING us we dont want it...). and the nintendo adventure games (metroid, sunshine, wario) dont do it for me anymore. im still looking forward to the new Zelda.

out of all the games that are coming out (50 was it?) like 1 or 2 are exclusives, so really if you own a ps2/xbox youre not missing anything, not to mention that the ps2 is getting like 100 games during that same time, and the xbox also hovering around the 70 game mark.

am i saying the gamecube is dying? fuck yeah, its been dying after its 1st year... jsut really really slowly. do i regret buying one? fuck no, its had games im glad i had a chance to play. but if the gamecube was your only system, i feel sorry for you.

as for dreamcast, it was a superior system to the ones it was competeing against (much like the gamecube) but like it was mentioned before, sega didnt have the money and power necessary to make it a winner commercially, nintendo DID, they jsut fucked it up... again.

whatever, will i buy a revolution? damn straight, as soon as i see one game i wanna play ill pick it up. same goes for the 360 and ps3. descrimination is stupid, buy and play everything, only then can you truly make an unbiased statement.

GameSlaveGaz
11-25-2005, 01:11 PM
One thing you've got to remember is that Nintendo has always had fewer games come out than the competition. Why? Because Nintendo always believed in quality over quantity. Sure, there's twice the games coming out for PS2 and XB, but how many of them are going to be great, stand out games? Much of it is just filler. Generic shooters, sports and racing games to fill up the shelves and dupe people into spending their money. Also, Nintendo has always been more concerned about 1st-party games than 3rd-party. They want their own franchises at the top of the list, which may be selfish, but they've been doing that since the NES. Their 3rd-party contracts were much, much stricter in the 80s; they restricted the number of games a 3rd-party could release for the NES significantly. They can't do that to the same extent these days, but you can tell there's more 1st party than 3rd party games for the Cube and that's the way Nintendo wants it. Nintendo's also one of those companies that loves to milk a franchise for all its worth. Is that wrong? On one hand, yeah, it gets old. On the other hand, these franchises are still putting out great games, so maybe the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality DOES work for Nintendo *shrug* I must admit, Twilight Princess overshadows all other releases between now and then, so it does seem like that's the only worthwhile game coming out for the 'Cube. And true, the 'Cube is slowing down in production to make room for the Rev and the increasing numbers of DS and GBA games. However, in all honesty, video game systems never die. Sure, they stop being produced, games are no longer released for them, but that doesn't mean they're never played again (maybe for some people). There are still people who will revisit their old, "dead" systems and replay their favorites.

Systems never truly die, they just retire.

Xizer
11-25-2005, 03:27 PM
Well, I think we can all agree that the Xbox died first. On November 22, 2005.

R.I.P. Xbox, November 15, 2001 - November 22, 2005. Lifespan: 4 Years.
R.I.P. PS2, October 26, 2000 - 2006. Lifespan: 5 1/2 to 6 Years.
R.I.P. GameCube, November 18, 2001 - 2006. Lifespan: 5 Years.

stressboy
11-25-2005, 03:58 PM
I wouldn't call the XBox dead. Aren't games still being developed for it?

unwinddesign
11-25-2005, 05:14 PM
The Gamecube has been dying for awhile now. Go into a games store and it does not have the same amount of space devoted to it, nor do any of the advertising signs say anything about the Gamecube. The games that are coming out for it in the coming months can all be found on 360/Xbox/PS2.

When Twilight Princess is released, the console will be officially dead and over with. Similar to the N64 with its final releases in 2000/early 2001.

Nintendo seriously needs to get more third party support. I'm talking about the M rated sector of GTA style games and just raunchy ass kill everything type of stuff. It may not be that great, but hey, it sells.

Griking
11-25-2005, 07:48 PM
Well, I think we can all agree that the Xbox died first. On November 22, 2005.

R.I.P. Xbox, November 15, 2001 - November 22, 2005. Lifespan: 4 Years.
R.I.P. PS2, October 26, 2000 - 2006. Lifespan: 5 1/2 to 6 Years.
R.I.P. GameCube, November 18, 2001 - 2006. Lifespan: 5 Years.

I won't think that the Xbox is dead until games stop being released for it.

Leo_A
11-26-2005, 12:45 AM
Xbox has more life in it then the Game Cube does, even if MS has just launched the system's successor.

Arkaign
11-26-2005, 12:55 AM
Xbox has more life in it then the Game Cube does, even if MS has just launched the system's successor.

I don't know about that, all the developers are being pushed into using their resources for the 360 .. so the Xbox will probably die really fast in terms of getting high profile titles.

And people seem to keep forgetting the GameCube's monopoly on children's titles. For the 10-and-under gamers, Nintendo is just about the only game in town, and for family-friendly games as well. That market core alone will keep the Cube going long enough to pass the baton to the Rev.

Slowly but surely, the gaming market has been moving towards targeting the most affluent demographic that they can (hence the nonstop sports title yearly releases, games aimed at 15-30 year-olds, etc), and Nintendo has consistently flown under the radar ever since the N64. They know they can make a sizable chunk of dependable income selling kids games, and even better, they don't have the 2-week shelf life of a lot more 'mature' titles.

Anyhow, this NG is jam-packed with well-experienced gamers in their 20s, 30s, and beyond, so it might be easy to forget about the millions of little kids who love to play games, but who don't usually have much fun with the really complex titles for Xbox and PS2.

Bojay1997
11-26-2005, 01:09 AM
I always think it's funny when people talk about Nintendo systems as the only option for young kids. I love Nintendo's first party titles and so do some kids, but frankly, there are lots of games that younger kids can enjoy on the PS2. Spyro, Crash, Jak, Ratchet, Sly etc... are all games that younger kids seem to love. In fact, my nephew won't play most Nintendo games, but loves the aforementioned games. The Gamecube "died" in the marketplace as soon as most major developers stopped developing for it. There will be a handful of great first party GC games released before Revolution comes out, but I'm willing to bet that the XBOX will ultimately outlive it. Of course, the PS2 will probably have some support even well into the PS3 life cycle, outlasting both the XBOX and GC.

Arkaign
11-26-2005, 01:20 AM
Of course you will be able to find games for PS2 and even the Xbox that kids will love, but not anywhere NEAR the legion of kid-friendly titles on Nintendo consoles.

Anything can happen, but I think the exodus of titles from Xbox to 360 will be swift and brutal. Microsoft probably wouldn't have it any other way.

Anyways, look at all the previous examples for a good rule of thumb.

Nes when Snes came out .. dried up fairly fast, even though there were MILLIONS of Nes consoles sitting in homes.

Genesis after Saturn (CD, 32x just confused and divided the Genesis market)

PS1 after PS2, all the emphasis went to PS2 titles, and pretty soon the PS1 was toast.

etc, etc, the other option is a premature death (Saturn, Dreamcast)

Other than the usual hatchet jobs of PC ports, I can't see the Xbox being a viable investment for first-tier titles anymore. As Microsoft ramps up production on the already red-hot 360, it's probably going to be a swift removal from the retail channel on original Xbox hardware, and the software will go from flowing, to trickling, to nothing. Which will be good for Microsoft, because they can move people into the more profitable 360 business model. They can charge more for accessories, add-ons, and games. The security on 360 games will probably be a tough nut to crack for a while as well, so that will be a big selling point for developers to make their new games 360 only, instead of even bothering with a regular Xbox version.

I could well be wrong, but with the new hardware already in distribution, it doesn't appear that there's much more than perhaps 6 months of Xbox being much of a presence in anything but used/trade outlets, and that might even be stretching things.

EDIT : Just briefly checking Gamespot, I see plenty of titles still headed the way of the Cube, and even though I'll probably never own a Gamecube, I see very solid support from Nintendo themselves, as well as acceptable 3rd-party support (Capcom, Activision, Ubisoft, EA, etc.). Also, 6 of the 'top ten' 10 coming-soon titles are super kid friendly :

Mario Strikers
Zelda Twilight Princess
Naruto
Chibi-Robo
Sonic Riders
Kirby

I'm not saying you can't find fun stuff that little kids won't play on Xbox or PS2, but the Cube, as the N64 was before it, is THE kid's system, and quite often fun for adults as well.

swlovinist
11-26-2005, 01:24 AM
Everyone knows that I am a pretty big Nintendo Fan around here. I like thier games as much as anyone else. I also posted that currently I saw alot of people on Black Friday buy a Gamecube. I believe that many bought the system for two reasons. 1st and primary reason: The system is cheap. 2)The system is the main console for making kid themed games. While the system is still around making games, it is by far third on the list behind Xbox and way behind Sony as in sales(and titles) Our selection that I see in our stores is a gaunt and small selection, nearly half of the size of Xbox and nearly 1/4th the size of Playstation 2. The small selection is usually an indicator that the system is on the last thread. The system was by far not a failure, but it was not a great success either. I feel that many of the great titles of the system have already came out. Zelda will be the last A+ title Nintendo will release for the system, even that is in question now. Anything more will jeapordize the flow of games for the Revolution. Like the N64 before it, the Gamecube will come down to but a trickle of games that are of note. It probably will get some decent ports, but it will definately not be supported by many IN COMPARASION TO THE XBOX OR PS2. I am happy to see the Gamecube have a full system life unlike the great Dreamcast. It is hard to face the truth sometimes, but take it from someone who works at a gamestore and sees it on the battlefield...the system is on its last breath. Speaking of being on its last breath, I do think next on the death list will be Xbox, and I give it one more year of so-so life.

Arkaign
11-26-2005, 01:37 AM
Everyone knows that I am a pretty big Nintendo Fan around here. I like thier games as much as anyone else. I also posted that currently I saw alot of people on Black Friday buy a Gamecube. I believe that many bought the system for two reasons. 1st and primary reason: The system is cheap. 2)The system is the main console for making kid themed games. While the system is still around making games, it is by far third on the list behind Xbox and way behind Sony as in sales(and titles) Our selection that I see in our stores is a gaunt and small selection, nearly half of the size of Xbox and nearly 1/4th the size of Playstation 2. The small selection is usually an indicator that the system is on the last thread. The system was by far not a failure, but it was not a great success either. I feel that many of the great titles of the system have already came out. Zelda will be the last A+ title Nintendo will release for the system, even that is in question now. Anything more will jeapordize the flow of games for the Revolution. Like the N64 before it, the Gamecube will come down to but a trickle of games that are of note. It probably will get some decent ports, but it will definitely not be supported by many IN COMPARASION TO THE XBOX OR PS2. I am happy to see the Gamecube have a full system life unlike the great Dreamcast. It is hard to face the truth sometimes, but take it from someone who works at a gamestore and sees it on the battlefield...the system is on its last breath. Speaking of being on its last breath, I do think next on the death list will be Xbox, and I give it one more year of so-so life.

Well said and I can respect that. Keep us posted on that shelf space though. I would submit that as 360 shelf space grows, which if Microsoft is serious about making those millions of units, will undoubtedly happen, the shelf space for Xbox will be where it makes its home.

I would bet that the Cube hardware and small stream of titles, will slightly outlive the Xbox. Remember, the Xbox and PS2 are aimed at MUCH larger markets than the Cube is. And the focus of the Xbox market now has a sexy shiny new toy to work with .. I've just seen it too many times before, not to mention that Microsoft is going to be pushing the 360 with all of it's considerable weight.

Bojay1997
11-26-2005, 01:03 PM
PS2 and Xbox each have roughly 70-80 games scheduled for release in the next six months. GC has maybe 12, with most of those being first party titles. Of course, they are titles I really want like Odama, Chibi Robo and the new Zelda (although I suspect this may land on the Revolution). I think the PSOne is a good model for what may happen on both the XBox and PS2. New games were released for the PSOne in the US up until last year (mostly sports titles and a few budget titles) and a slow trickle of games came out in Europe until about six months ago. Essentially, the PSOne lasted roughly four years into the PS2's life cycle. MS has never put out a reduced cost version of the Xbox. If they ever do that, I see it lasting at least a couple more years.

The NES actually had first party and a few key third party games released for it 2-3 years after the SNES was released. I don't think the same thing will happen with the GC since Nintendo will probably put all of its resources into Revolution.

Arkaign
11-26-2005, 02:39 PM
PS2 and Xbox each have roughly 70-80 games scheduled for release in the next six months. GC has maybe 12, with most of those being first party titles. Of course, they are titles I really want like Odama, Chibi Robo and the new Zelda (although I suspect this may land on the Revolution). I think the PSOne is a good model for what may happen on both the XBox and PS2. New games were released for the PSOne in the US up until last year (mostly sports titles and a few budget titles) and a slow trickle of games came out in Europe until about six months ago. Essentially, the PSOne lasted roughly four years into the PS2's life cycle. MS has never put out a reduced cost version of the Xbox. If they ever do that, I see it lasting at least a couple more years.

The NES actually had first party and a few key third party games released for it 2-3 years after the SNES was released. I don't think the same thing will happen with the GC since Nintendo will probably put all of its resources into Revolution.

I'm gonna keep a copy of your post, and compare in 6 months. looking at this :

http://cube.ign.com/index/release.html

I would submit that it's pretty likely we'll see more than 12 titles released for Gamecube between now and May 26th, 2006. Just counting the ones that have a specific date, a quarterly date, or 'early 2006', I see 17 titles listed. There are also 20+ games listed as TBA. There's a pretty good chance that at least some of those will make it in the next 6 months as well.

And as far as PS1 being viable.. Where have you been looking around at games? Sure we saw the occassional 3rd-rate title ooze out for it, but it was by and large relegated to oblivion pretty damn quickly. Again I'll make a prediction, this time next year, you won't even SEE Xbox consoles and hardware in major retailers (Wal-Mart, etc), and the game selection will be negligible. With the looming war with PS3, I hardly think Microsoft will dedicate any resources to the old unit. Look at how the PS1 was treated after PS2 came out. Did PS1 get the new Tekken, the new Gran Turismo, the new Final Fantasy, hell even a GTA game? Nope, it was utterly abandoned to it's bargain-bin funeral. The only successful game system overlap in recorded history is probably the Gameboy series, Nintendo sure juggles the hell out of things, when it came to GB to GBC, then GBC to GBA, then GBA to DS, there was a remarkable overlap to be witnessed.

Anyhow, this is all my opinions based upon what evidence there exists so far, and applying personal observation and experience.

We'll see the truth over the oncoming year.

zerohero
11-26-2005, 04:24 PM
"didn't read whole thread"

I thought we made it clear gamecub was dead, and the only game that was gonna save it was Zelda? Maybe I missed something.

Chronodriftersx
11-26-2005, 05:19 PM
"didn't read whole thread"

I thought we made it clear gamecub was dead, and the only game that was gonna save it was Zelda? Maybe I missed something.

Knock it off. Go read the thread there was something there similar to that but less flawed sounding.

zerohero
11-26-2005, 05:35 PM
"didn't read whole thread"

I thought we made it clear gamecub was dead, and the only game that was gonna save it was Zelda? Maybe I missed something.

Knock it off. Go read the thread there was something there similar to that but less flawed sounding.

Knock what off?

Arkaign
11-26-2005, 05:50 PM
"didn't read whole thread"

I thought we made it clear gamecub was dead, and the only game that was gonna save it was Zelda? Maybe I missed something.

Yeah, I think you did .. from another thread :


It was pretty much the same case at Gamerush, no one expected any rental to be in let alone the 360.
Big sellers as far as I could tell was the DDR Mariomix, along with anything else bearing Nintendo's name on it.
We now have about 5 used Xboxs, and I fear it'll take a good long time for them to sell. Meanwhile, we're running out of PSTwos and Gamecubes. Just goes to show you that when a family is involved, the more family-oriented companies bring in the dough.

Gamecube's not dead to tons of happy customers, and plenty of new ones. More games, including exclusives and first-tier stuff, are on the way. And it remains virtually the only option in town that has a broad selection of family and kid-friendly titles. Distant 3rd place yes, but stable and profitable. Sheesh, I don't even own the damned thing but it's pretty clear. Just because it's not interesting or dynamic to you or I doesn't make it 'dead'. Dead is when :

(A) - Hardware/Software stop selling
(B) - Hardware/Software get clearanced
(C) - Hardware/Software no longer available except used

All of this is nil in the case of gamers who still play/enjoy it, it's definitely not dead to them. People still play Colecovision and Odyssey ;)

Bojay1997
11-26-2005, 05:58 PM
Uhhh...if you're talking about financial viability, GC has been dead since launch. The Xbox has been dead as well. I was under the impression that this thread had become a debate about whether or not any A-list software would continue to be released for GC and Xbox in the next six months.

The list you are citing is horribly out of date. They are still listing games like Mario 128, Knights of the Temple, a new Donkey Kong platformer and several others which were either cancelled or have been quietly moved to the Revolution. Looking at EBGames, there are 12 games listed for release between now and Zelda (April 2006). They don't have Naruto or Chaos Field listed, but I think it is 90% certain those titles are coming. They have Starcraft Ghost listed which I don't think will even be coming to the other consoles, let alone GC. So, that is 13 titles which are likely to be released. PS2 and Xbox each have 70-80, 90% of which are likely, in my opinion, to actually be released.

It's not like developers with games set for release in 6-8 months can just switch to X360. Sure, it's more similar to Xbox than moving from PSOne to PS2 or N64 to GC was, but Microsoft is not very likely to let a bunch of revamped Xbox stuff flood the X360 market.

I looked at the official release list on Sony's site and it looks like first party PSOne titles continued for about 18 months after PS2 came out. The last big titles were Syphon Filter 3 and Twisted Metal Small Brawl which each came out in November 2001, 12 months after PS2 launch. Arc the Lad Collection came out in 2003, but that was more of an anomaly caused by a notoriously slow developer. Of course, you have to remember that up until a couple of months ago, you could still buy a PSOne and several greatest hits games at Target. The N64 had no such holdover period. Frankly, Nintendo's first party resources are already stretched between DS, GBA and GC. I seriously doubt that they are going to release much after Zelda and I think there is a strong chance it will become a Revolution launch title. I really hope Nintendo surprises us, but they dumped the N64 really fast and they aren't into wasting resources.

Arkaign
11-26-2005, 06:19 PM
Man, I don't think you're being objective with this at all. You just refuse to back off of your opinion that it is 'dead' because it didn't sell as many as the #1 or #2 guys. That's just immature. 18.5M Gamecubes sold worldwide as of March '05. Not to mention that word right here on DP from people at the stores is that they are still_selling. Not to mention there is no credible alternative for a kid's system or family friendly system. Not to mention that Nintendo continues to post PROFITS, and not all of them come from Gameboy series ;)

I don't own a cube, I don't own a DS (though admittedly the DS looks interesting) .. but I still think they've done just fine with the past generation. Considering the bloody mess that Microsoft vs. Sony had with their high-end war, I think Nintendo very wisely flew under the radar with a secure and profitable console.

Chronodriftersx
11-26-2005, 06:33 PM
I saw a woman and a little girl at Target and she had 3 Mario Party Pack Gamecubes in her cart, establish that. OK now it's just getting silly.

sabre2922
11-26-2005, 07:37 PM
I saw a woman and a little girl at Target and she had 3 Mario Party Pack Gamecubes in her cart, establish that. OK now it's just getting silly.

I noticed today-the day after "black friday"- that my local Walmart is sold out of 3 systems PS2,the Nintendo DS and of course Xbox360s.

Now as far as games go there were lots of 360 games on the shelves and many of the PS2 catagories were sold out like many different RPGs and lots of empty space were there used to be numerous budget titles.

Games by names that ive noticed sold out at TWO locations on a Walmart and the other a video store Hastings(wich has the biggest section of PS2 games ive ever seen @_@ ):

Sold OUT: all for PS2 and a few for Xbox1

Shadow of Collosus

Resident Evil 4 -PS2 (got mine the day before thanksgiving and they had one copy left after I purshased my copy)

Gran Turismo 4

Halo2

Project Gotham Racing 2

Doom 3

and a many completely empty spaces that once held various PS2 greatest hits titles

Also only the video store had a 2 copies of RE4 on Gamecube I think it was sold out at Walmart. This is the same video store that had ONE Xbox360 core system still in stock when I picked up RE4.

Bojay1997
11-26-2005, 08:06 PM
I think I'm being very objective. I bought a GC bundle at launch, as well as an Xbox bundle at launch and a PS2 (no bundle, just had to stand in line outside of Target for a couple of hours). I'm not loyal to any single platform. In fact, I have approximately 85% of the released US GC games and several of the European exclusive releases.

You keep changing your definition of a "dead" system. A dead system in my opinion is one that has little or no third party support and minimal first party support. That's exactly what the GC is right now. Xbox may be there soon because of some of the reasons you cited, but it will be long after the last GC game is released. Just because a bundle with one particular game (Mario Party 7) has sold pretty well lately isn't enough to make up for several years of mediocre support and a very limited upcoming release list. Nintendo just doesn't make much off GC hardware sales and having a handful of multi-million selling games a year on the GC is not a profitable business model. You make big profits by charging royalties on third party titles.

Despite your claims to the contrary, Nintendo has had much lower profits since GC was released. This isn't something I am just pulling out of nowhere, this is by their own admission. In fact, their own management admitted several weeks ago in an article widely circulated that if the next generation Nintendo console does as poorly as GC, it will be considered a failure. The Revolution will hopefully change this since they have the best first party games of any company I have ever seen. They have managed to keep profitable with portable systems. It's not my opinion, it's a fact.

Nintendo is not the only family friendly console of this generation. PS2 is a viable choice and one that many families have made, mostly because it is good for kids and adults. I want Nintendo to succeed, but it would be naive to believe that the GC has been a successful platform.

Xizer
11-26-2005, 08:18 PM
And people seem to keep forgetting the GameCube's monopoly on children's titles. For the 10-and-under gamers, Nintendo is just about the only game in town, and for family-friendly games as well. That market core alone will keep the Cube going long enough to pass the baton to the Rev.


Umm, most "child" games for the GameCube are available on the PS2 as well, in fact there are more exclusive games for children on the PS2 than there are on the GameCube.



The Gamecube "died" in the marketplace as soon as most major developers stopped developing for it.


This sentence needs to be corrected to:
"The GameCube will die in the marketplace as soon as companies stop developing for it."

Most major developers HAVEN'T dropped GameCube support, FYI.

Also, in reponse to Arkaign: Zelda...kid friendly? I know adults that still have trouble beating the Zelda games.



Uhhh...if you're talking about financial viability, GC has been dead since launch


What the fuck? The GameCube has made more money than the Xbox AND the PS2. I would say combined, but considering the Xbox made approximately $-4,000,000,000 that would be a little unfair.

And to people saying the GameCube is for kids, what the hell are you smoking? Who got the completely uncensored BMX XXX version? Not the PS2, that's for sure. What system was Resident Evil 4 always sold out on? The GameCube. Even in September, over 8 months after it was originally released, I went to buy a copy and all my GameStop had was a few used copies - they were sold out of new.

The next time you want to troll, Bojay, kindly check Nintendo's Annual Financial Reports (http://www.nintendo.com/corp/annual_report.jsp) before talking out your ass.

ty896
11-26-2005, 09:09 PM
To me, a system "dies" when price cuts come not from corperate HQ resetting MSRP but from individual retailers just trying to clear out a product the public is no longer showing intrest in.

The best I can tell, nobody wants a $150 XBOX. The PS2 is going to have excellent holiday sales (probably better than last year). The DS, with a much better catalog than xmas '04, is set to do very well.

To come back on topic, I think the cube will do much better than the XBOX this holiday and most of '06. As for the rest of '05, by this time most gaming families already have a PS2 and may very well have an XBOX as well; and with 360s only available on ebay with a steep premium, the cube becomes the only option for a new console to put under the tree.

I really don't care how many NEW games are scheduled for release, all the current consoles have large enough catalogs to keep any new buyer satisfied for quite awhile.

I see no reason to think that by the time the Revolution is released the Cube will still be the #3 console in terms of gaming units sold.

And don't be surprised by widespread $99 XBOX sales in the weeks before the 25th.

Bojay1997
11-26-2005, 10:26 PM
First, I am not a troll nor am I a Fanboy of any particular system. I own just about every major system ever released in the US and several Nintendo systems are among my favorite systems of all time.

I don't know where you are looking, but as I said earlier, there are only 12-13 titles slated for release in the next six months for the Cube. Sure, a few more could slip in, but it's not going to be double that. The handful of major developers who continue to support the GC are no longer releasing exclusives. In fact, Capcom which once had a slew of "exclusives" for the Cube has now released most of them on the PS2.

The Gamecube has not made more gross revenue than PS2 or Xbox since launch nor is there any evidence that it has generated more net revenue than the PS2. The Xbox has lost Microsoft literally billions while the PS2 has delivered as one of the few profitable parts of the Sony electronics family. I have looked at Nintendo's financial statements and they show that in the last four years, revenue has been pretty flat. They don't break out GC revenue from DS or GBA revenue. The data does show that the GC has only sold about half as many units outside of Japan as the N64 did. Having said that, the software sales have been reasonably strong outside of Japan, selling 2/3 as many units as the N64 did which is pretty good considering the installed base is half the size. Nintendo does state that only six titles sold more than a million units this fiscal year. That's not too bad, but it's not great either seeing as how Nintendo is the primary supplier of GC software.

I don't know why you shop at only one store, but RE4 for the GC is available at every major retailer and has been since release. It sold well, but it's not exactly a rare game or anything.

I can't wait till the Revolution comes out, but I'm not going to sit here and try to convince people that the GC is a huge success when it sadly has not been.

Chronodriftersx
11-26-2005, 10:45 PM
well this thread sure isn't dying, and that says something. LOL

Leo_A
11-27-2005, 04:11 AM
EB list 10 games on it's GC release list, not including Starcraft Ghost which while still listed I believe was recently cancelled. And one of them is Mega Man X Collection which has seen a few delays which makes me worry it will end up like the GBA Mega Man collection.

If that's not dead I don't know what is. The Atari 2600 should see more homebrew releases in that time period. :)

I just hope Zelda isn't pushed back to launch with the Revolution.

Arkaign
11-27-2005, 05:06 AM
'Dead' is too different in meaning to too many people for anything to be gained from this absolutely meaningless discussion.

A 'dead' system to me wouldn't be selling tons of hardware from major retailers during the holidays. A 'dead' system to me wouldn't still have major releases on the map, even if there's not a buttload of them.

Not to mention Nintendo has no other console to lean on until Rev comes out in force.

And you're questioning the financial viability of the cube? Jesus, if you can't understand that something doesn't need to be freaking #1 to make money, then you're insane. Porsche makes money, but they don't ship even 1% of what GM ships. It's about profit per unit, and how it affects their larger financial picture. Nintendo is in great shape. And Nintendo's business model is a lot cleaner than that of Sony and Xbox if you think about it, because they CAN make a profit on their considerable library of Nintendo-produced titles.

But I'm certainly not going to change your mind, and unless I finally have a mental breakdown, I'm never going to agree with you at this point in time. Talk to me again when you can't find new hardware/games in store, and when people aren't still buying them.

Hep038
11-27-2005, 12:43 PM
Does anyone *intelligent* even buy sports games on a yearly basis




The next time you want to troll, Bojay, kindly check Nintendo's Annual Financial Reports before talking out your ass.


All you do is insult people and label people who do not agree with you as "trolls". Why you have not been banned yet is a mystery to me. Thanks for making DP a little more hostile than it needs to be. :hmm:

Xizer
11-27-2005, 04:20 PM
Thanks for making DP a little more hostile than it needs to be. :hmm:

Err, you're welcome? :hmm:

hbr214
11-27-2005, 06:31 PM
Even at the start of the Nintendo gamecube, there really was no market for it. Hence it had died before it even really started. personally i feel that the compitition that microsoft with the XBOX and Xbox 360 and playstation with ps2, and ps3 coming out. will have blown away the gamecube and revolution by an uncomprehensible amount.

the only reason i would ever consider owning a gamecube is for the legend of zelda series. which in march looks to have one of the greatest versions of zelda coming out. i believe that is one of the only good games created for the cube, which is another reason why it died.

Joker T
11-27-2005, 06:49 PM
I don't think I have touched my Gamecube for a while. The big issue is that Multiplatform games are half assed and the fact that many Nintendo games are really not that good. There are the Nintendo gems that many of us love but I personaly don't really want to play another Mario Party or Mario sports game for a long time. The system just does not appeal to alot of people. I like the system alot I wish I played it more than I do. Another big problem for me is the prices on GC games. Mario Kart: Double Dash is still $50 in many stores. Super Smash Bros. is $30. Stores don't have near as many gamecube games as Xbox or PS2. At my Blockbuster there is one small row for GCN that's it. I love Resident Evil 4, Zelda: The Wind Waker, Super Mario Sunshine,etc. but they need a bit more. The system is far from dead. Alot of people are loyal to the Gamecube I hope that we will get some killer games in the next year for the purple lunchbox :)

njiska
11-27-2005, 07:09 PM
I don't think I have touched my Gamecube for a while. The big issue is that Multiplatform games are half assed and the fact that many Nintendo games are really not that good. There are the Nintendo gems that many of us love but I personaly don't really want to play another Mario Party or Mario sports game for a long time. The system just does not appeal to alot of people. I like the system alot I wish I played it more than I do. Another big problem for me is the prices on GC games. Mario Kart: Double Dash is still $50 in many stores. Super Smash Bros. is $30. Stores don't have near as many gamecube games as Xbox or PS2. At my Blockbuster there is one small row for GCN that's it. I love Resident Evil 4, Zelda: The Wind Waker, Super Mario Sunshine,etc. but they need a bit more. The system is far from dead. Alot of people are loyal to the Gamecube I hope that we will get some killer games in the next year for the purple lunchbox :)

Yeah i haven't touched mine in a while either. In fact i haven't used it in so long it almost got disconntected to make room for my 360.

I mean the GC has some great games, but honestly there hasn't been much for it since august. I think the last game i played was the Sonic Gems collection.

Slate
11-27-2005, 07:23 PM
There is no way that the Gamecube is "dying" this early. The only reason why people are saying it is "dead" is because they never gave it a chance and all of their freinds never did either.

Gamecube is not "dead".

sabre2922
11-27-2005, 07:50 PM
I agree that the GC is not "dead" but like has been stated MANY times the Gamecube is on life support and will be until Zelda is released, and that sucks IMO ive always thought the GC was and IS a great system but very few others were ever interested in Nintendos little system that could all except avid gamers and hardcore Nintendophiles (wich I do consider myself if just for my luv of Metroid and the Zelda series).

The only 3rd party developer/publisher I see supporting the GC with most (not all) of its titles on a still regular basis is EA with Ubisoft slacking of greatly and joining the many publishers doing the PS/Xbox/Xbox360 multiports much more than they do with the Gamecube.

Hell I wouldnt be surprised if for a while we see many multiports for ONLY PS2/Xbox360 throught the next year and after the release of the PS3 and Revolution the only current gen I see getting multiports of some next-gen games will be the Playstation2.

I know that Nintendo has made statements like "the new Zelda will be released for Gamecube" but I still have a few doubts although my faith in the big N will return somewhat if they stay true to their word and not port it over to the Revolution.
Im thinking that it will be marketed in a way with labels on it and in advertising pushing the fact that it will be "COMPATIBLE WITH REVOLUTION" or something simiiar.

njiska
11-27-2005, 07:57 PM
There is no way that the Gamecube is "dying" this early. The only reason why people are saying it is "dead" is because they never gave it a chance and all of their freinds never did either.

Gamecube is not "dead".

Dead no. Dying YES! Your stance that the only reason people are saying it's dead are because they never gave it a chance is very short sighted. The system was poorly marketed since day one and Nintendo dropped the ball several times during it's life cycle. Just take a look at the 2003 E3 press conference. The system was never given a chance by most because it never really did much to warrent one.

You need to open your eyes to the possibility that the system is in the final days of it's life.

Really there has been nothing exclusive to the GC worth buying since august and there really isn't much in the pipe until April. There's nothing wrong with having hope, but sometimes you have to accept the facts.

But why should anyone not expect it to be dying anyways? After all the console cycle is coming to an end and the horse in last place is always the first to suffer.

Regardless this is a debate that was better off dead.

esquire
11-27-2005, 08:04 PM
Really there has been nothing exclusive to the GC worth buying since august and there really isn't much in the pipe until April.

The other problem is that the exclusive games that have been released lately seem to be rather lackluster:

Mario Superstar Baseball
Battalion Wars
Geist

All games I looked forward to, but were disappointed in one way or another.

However, the new Fire Emblem (Path of Radiance) is very much worth buying. What little I have played of it is rather enjoyable, and I plan to jump back soon, after I finish COD2 on my 360.

Slate
11-27-2005, 08:21 PM
There is no way that the Gamecube is "dying" this early. The only reason why people are saying it is "dead" is because they never gave it a chance and all of their freinds never did either.

Gamecube is not "dead".

Dead no. Dying YES! Your stance that the only reason people are saying it's dead are because they never gave it a chance is very short sighted. The system was poorly marketed since day one and Nintendo dropped the ball several times during it's life cycle. Just take a look at the 2003 E3 press conference. The system was never given a chance by most because it never really did much to warrent one.

You need to open your eyes to the possibility that the system is in the final days of it's life.

Really there has been nothing exclusive to the GC worth buying since august and there really isn't much in the pipe until April. There's nothing wrong with having hope, but sometimes you have to accept the facts.

But why should anyone not expect it to be dying anyways? After all the console cycle is coming to an end and the horse in last place is always the first to suffer.

Regardless this is a debate that was better off dead.

Understood.