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sabre2922

10-17-2005, 04:46 PM

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An increasingly ebullient Microsoft is privately confident that PlayStation 3 will slip from its vaguely mooted "spring 2006" launch, with some suggestions that, at least in Europe, Sony's machine may not arrive until 2007.

Friday's edition of MCV also quotes a "senior European publisher boss" as saying he "wouldn't be surprised" if PS3 did not arrive in Europe until spring '07, giving Microsoft two Holiday seasons in Europe. If such a date were true, it's difficult to see a PS3 U.S launch any time before Fall 2006.

Microsoft has evidently decided to make hay, at Sony's expense, while the media is focused on Xbox 360. J.Allard said, "There's a big gap between what Sony claims and what they've shown. They'll need an eight hour press conference pretty soon just to give people confidence in that spring '06 date they've mentioned."

He scoffed at a lack of playable demos of PS3 games, "There's a lot of stuff they just don't have in place yet. They make nice movies though." Xbox's global chief Robbie Bach said, "Whatever they do, they're going to be chasing us for a long, long time."
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Damn M$ sure likes to hear themselves talk dont they and they are buying into their own hyperboil like crazy :roll:

sure they might actually have a slightly longer lead with the 360 IF the PS3 is delayed until late '06 in the U.S. and even '07 in Europe but that IN NO WAY promises a Large lead in the next-gen race especially with so many Sony brainwashed fanboys out there that cannot fathom purchasing any system without the "PS" logo on it :D

Slimedog

10-17-2005, 04:57 PM

Its all just marketing propaganda. If MS can convince undecideds that the next gen Sony console won't be released for 2 years, that will be that many more 360 sales. Of course, for me it will probably be at least that long before I buy a 360. Buy used, buy cheap, buy often.

Hep038

10-17-2005, 05:01 PM

Well at least they are not comming out with a system too early. I really have no need for a Xbox 360 yet. If the PS3 was comming out now I would understand, the PS2 is starting to show its age, but I feel the xbox is in the prime of its life. Plus (from what I have read in XBM) I will have to wait for xbox games to become backwards compatiable for 360. They can make all the jokes they want but if you ask me I think they are the ones who are being silly.

Avenger

10-17-2005, 05:03 PM

(my opinion here)

consumers are an interesting bunch. Many of them show no true loyalty to anyone besides themselves. They see the 360 which is here very very soon, and then they look at their ps2 sitting by the tv. In a way they probably feel as if they should get the PS3 but in my opinion that feeling probably wont last. These guys arent harrcore gamers like us (most of us i guess?) They arent looking to the future to see what games WILL be coming out. No...they see the 360 NOW with a Madden that looks better than ever, they see a racing game that looks better than ever, and they see many many other sports games which again, look better than ever. They also probably have realized that yes, GTA does come out on the xbox. Consumers dont want to wait they want instant gratification. I think Microsoft (not M$) has a great idea of getting out there first. Many people own X-boxes, and for the average person with only a PS2, im possitive they know at least one person who has an Xbox and they have probably heard of Halo...For them, the 360 is a very tempting offer if for no other reason than its coming out first, and we have no real idea when the others are coming out at all.

Good job Microsoft
The most we gamers can hope for is great games for all the systems

(end of my opinion)

Mr.FoodMonster

10-17-2005, 07:21 PM

I'd like a Summer/Fall '06 release much better. That way, the 360 will be deemed 'successful' and then the PS3 will come and blow it totally out of the water. MS really DOES like to hear themselves talk.

Griking

10-17-2005, 07:27 PM

Its all just marketing propaganda.

...and if Sega were as smart as Microsoft is they would have done the same thing when the Dreamcast was released before the PS2. Perhaps if they had the Dreamcast wouldn't have died as soon as it did.

Sony beat Sega out because they had much better marketing, not a much better product.

Microsoft isn't Sega

Avenger

10-17-2005, 07:30 PM

Its all just marketing propaganda.

...and if Sega were as smart as Microsoft is they would have done the same thing when the Dreamcast was released before the PS2

exactly...screw fanboyisms and console bias...Microsoft has a great marketing scheme here and other companys could learn from them...this is a tough business to be in and Mircosoft knows how to play rough

roushimsx

10-17-2005, 07:36 PM

I'm gradually getting more and more excited for an Xbox360, but there's no way I'm getting one anytime soon.

Buying a system on launch is freakin' stupid*. With very few exceptions, you buy your super expensive new console, take it home with the one or two games you were able to afford, and then get bored in a week or two because one (or both) of the games you got suck and there's nothing else available for the system yet. All you did was dump ~$400-$500 on an e-penis extension.

It's nice when they make systems fully backwards compatible (or damn near it), and that's something the Xbox 360 just won't do right off the bat (if ever), so there's no real incentive for me to upgrade. Hell, even WITH the backwards compatibility, I don't see a need to buy a PS3 when it comes out unless there's a serious wealth of awesome games (which there won't be, because Sony unfortunatly sucks at doing system launches).

* = Exception being the US Dreamcast launch where it already had a large bulk of awesome software built up in Japan AND Sega saw it fitting to release a big chunk of it on launch day. Seriously, Sega has screwed up a lot on a lot of stuff, but they did the US DC launch proper.

Tangent - Man, why didn't Metal Wolf Chaos get a US publisher? You'd think that Agetec or Sega would have hooked From Software up on that one :(

njiska

10-17-2005, 08:10 PM

Its all just marketing propaganda.

It's all just propaganda. 360, PS3, Revolution, it's all just Propaganda. Until we actually have the games and have them in our hands, until the systems are here, it's all just hype.

The battle for supmreacy isn't gonna be fought with preformance, it's fought with bullshit. At least MS is being fairly honest about their console. Besides the viral marketing is fun.

http://www.hex168.com/ The begining is Nigh.

hegyak

10-17-2005, 08:21 PM

Microsoft saying they are the best? Hmm, How many windows machines are out in the world? How many people have an X-Box? How many PAY to play online with their X-Box? Microsoft has the power of Money. Microsoft can send out billions on this and fail miserably and still keep on going just fine. I agree on the "it looks better then before" case. (Most)gamers don't want a story or gameplay. Give them the best graphics and they will love it. Too bad. I say, Let the best console win. Now that will not happen. The dreamcast was good. Half-Life gold proves that, guess no one cares though :roll: Guess I should start saying, May the console with the best graphics win. (I hate that idea) I say we keep this generation from falling into the trap of beautiful graphics. (like that will work)

PS2Hawk

10-17-2005, 09:32 PM

roushimsx

10-17-2005, 09:40 PM

Microsoft saying they are the best? Hmm,
How many windows machines are out in the world?

A stupidly vast majority, and if you've ever tried to get Joe Average to use MacOSX or Linux, you'd know why.

How many people have an X-Box?

About 25-30 million.

How many PAY to play online with their X-Box?

Over 2 million different accounts log on every day.

Microsoft has the power of Money. Microsoft can send out billions on this and fail miserably and still keep on going just fine.

So can Sony and until a few years ago, so could Sega. Apparently, Nintendo can, too. Having a stranglehold on the portable market will do that.

I agree on the "it looks better then before" case. (Most)gamers don't want a story or gameplay. Give them the best graphics and they will love it. Too bad. I say, Let the best console win. Now that will not happen.

The Genesis looked uglier than the SNES on average and still outsold it for a good long while. In the end they were more or less even, which is just where they should have been. No clear winner because both were equally awesome. History could repeat itself at some point.

Of course, we're going to need a hell of a lot more developers out there.

The dreamcast was good.

Cut down in its prime! :(

Half-Life gold proves that, guess no one cares though :roll:

Woah ho ho ho, stop the car. We got an emergency can't you see. Do you know why we stopped the car?
Half Life on Dreamcast wasn't bad, but it was not a very good port of the PC game. Hell, it was more or less average. The tacked on episode was meh (still bitter I bought it on PC) and the game performed rather poorly...like a 300mhz pc with a voodoo 1. Plus, playing with the DC pad was an absolute chore. If nothing else, I'm glad that the final game was leaked so that we could see what we didn't miss out on.

Now the PS2 version...that one was much better. :)

Guess I should start saying, May the console with the best graphics win. (I hate that idea) I say we keep this generation from falling into the trap of beautiful graphics. (like that will work)

It all depends on developer support, man. I hope (against hope, i fear) that the 360 will attract more japanese developers this round. They're looking good on the Euro and US fronts, at least.

In fact, who gives a flying fuck if the console is made by Sony, Microsoft, or even Texas Instruments? The core of the console doesn't matter at all, it all depends on the developer support*. That's what made the PS2 so great and it's what kept the Dreamcast on life support for years after it was officially "dead".

* = and it could also depend on the console manufactuer forcing developers to support them, as in the Nintendo. God, I loved that machine and always wondered when I was younger why it always seemed to have all of the games. Heh.

calthaer

10-17-2005, 10:15 PM

Damn M$ sure likes to hear themselves talk dont they and they are buying into their own hyperboil like crazy :roll:

Yeah, I bet M$ has hyperboils all over their collective body! Those hyperboils must be growing at an alarming rate. ahahahaha

The 360 and PS3 are so incredibly similar to one another in their intent and their targtet audience that the early launch may just tilt things in favor of M$.

I can only hope that the Revolution will edge up as a close second to whichever of the two graphics-whore systems ends up in first place

njiska

10-17-2005, 10:26 PM

In fact, who gives a flying fuck if the console is made by Sony, Microsoft, or even Texas Instruments? The core of the console doesn't matter at all, it all depends on the developer support*. That's what made the PS2 so great and it's what kept the Dreamcast on life support for years after it was officially "dead".

* = and it could also depend on the console manufactuer forcing developers to support them, as in the Nintendo. God, I loved that machine and always wondered when I was younger why it always seemed to have all of the games. Heh.

Very well said roush. The bottom line is that the games are what define a system, not the power, not the graphics, but good old developer support.

Joelius

10-17-2005, 10:41 PM

Roush, I just have to say, that was the best post I have seen in a good gosh darn while. Here's to you.

:cheers:

Diatribal Deity

10-17-2005, 10:45 PM

What you have to ask yourself if you want look at this objectively is who is Microsoft's target market.

25-30 something year olds with loads of disposable income (or maybe not so much) otherwise known as early adopters. How many people here or at many other classic collecting sites actually fall into that demographic. My guess would be not the majority.

If you're losing a battle do you stay on the defensive or go on the offensive and try and surprise your enemy. Those of you who think Microsoft is rushing the 360 are not their target market. You are not the type of consumer who buys a new release every week for full price. :deadhorse:

ianoid

10-17-2005, 11:19 PM

Push Upstairs

10-17-2005, 11:34 PM

With this talk about MS vs Sony i stand in amazment that gamers survived the 16-bit generation without immolating themselves. :roll:

Let the propaganda shitstorm go and let the games do the talking.

hegyak

10-17-2005, 11:54 PM

Half Life on Dreamcast wasn't bad, but it was not a very good port of the PC game. Hell, it was more or less average. The tacked on episode was meh (still bitter I bought it on PC) and the game performed rather poorly...like a 300mhz pc with a voodoo 1. If nothing else, I'm glad that the final game was leaked so that we could see what we didn't miss out on.
Now the PS2 version...that one was much better. :)
How so? The PS2 version was a new part of the Half-Life universe. Just as Opposing Force and Blue shift were. The dreamcast was not as powerful as the PCs that also ran Half-Life but I think that ocasional lag is not much to wine about because it was the classic Half-Life in its entirety, although it was not as good graphicly as the PC version (as to be expected considering the diffrence of power.), it was quite a feat considering that no one though that the PS2 that has more power then the dreamcast should actually have the classic half-life instead of a new chapter. Plus, playing with the DC pad was an absolute chore.

Plus, playing with the DC pad was an absolute chore. I am not so much of a masochist that I need to play an FPS on a console with out a keyboard and mouse. Better game on the PS2? So not getting a port of a game that won 50 game of the year awards is better? (Halo Game of the year awards, 4 :P) Oh well, to each his own I guess.

lendelin

10-18-2005, 02:10 AM

I prefer blue because blue is more green than red. Or to put it another way:

Corporation A who would eat me for breakfast is SO much cooler than Corporation B who would chop off my head to improve it's market. They put their ads in all the right places and they ousted Corporations C and D that would also chop me into little pieces to make a buck. And they've been around longer. I just think they are k00!. I am right.

Repeat for PSP vs. DS, PS2 vs Xbox, 360 vs. PS3, Revolution vs. PS3, and Jingobox vs. Richstation.

Yaawwn.

lol Right on! It is ridiculous to side with a company in fanboy debates. When I'm sick in bed , there is noone from Sony, MS or Nintendo to hold my hand.

MSs statement is good and justifiable PR. They try to avoid the wait-and-see-effect of the PS2-PR which hurt the DC.

I highly doubt that the PS3 will see a spring 2006 release in the US. With what? Movies and DVDs? Some comments of game developers at E3 hinted at that they have development kits for two or three moths. There is not enough time to develop titles for a spring release, and development time for a fall release is very short already; furthermore, production of hundreds of thousands of units cannot be done in a couple of months.

MS will get a headstart of one year -- a big advantage all other things being equal and if you're good at what you're doing, and MS certainly is. The 360 will close the gap to the PS3, but I would be very surprised if the 360 turned out to be the market leader. It is unrealistic. If MS could pull that off I'd tip my hat and go onto my knees in admiration. :)

AMG

10-18-2005, 05:20 AM

Unlike SEGA did with the Dreamcast, Microsoft is standing up to Sony.

SEGA just sat there and let Sony build the hype fire for the PS2. Microsoft on the other hand are stomping out that hype fire for the PS3 and keeping X360 console looking good. This is smart biz and Microsoft is doing what they should.

This is a great time to be a gamer. Seeing each company fight for my dollar and push the gaming envelope is fun. Let the companies fight, just sit back and enjoy the games. :)

sabre2922

10-18-2005, 05:46 AM

lol Right on! It is ridiculous to side with a company in fanboy debates. When I'm sick in bed , there is noone from Sony, MS or Nintendo to hold my hand.

MSs statement is good and justifiable PR. They try to avoid the wait-and-see-effect of the PS2-PR which hurt the DC.

I highly doubt that the PS3 will see a spring 2006 release in the US. With what? Movies and DVDs? Some comments of game developers at E3 hinted at that they have development kits for two or three moths. There is not enough time to develop titles for a spring release, and development time for a fall release is very short already; furthermore, production of hundreds of thousands of units cannot be done in a couple of months.

MS will get a headstart of one year -- a big advantage all other things being equal and if you're good at what you're doing, and MS certainly is. The 360 will close the gap to the PS3, but I would be very surprised if the 360 turned out to be the market leader. It is unrealistic. If MS could pull that off I'd tip my hat and go onto my knees in admiration. :)[/quote]

Hmmm I dont see why that would be so unrealistic actually.

The truth is this is faaar from a Sega "surprise launch" ala Saturn and one shitty looking game (the first Saturn version of Virtua fighter) only a few months before the release of the PSX.

NO NO NO this is faaaar different a WHOLE nother ball game this is freaking Microsoft and Sony going at it full blast with all cyclinders firing and contrary to my slightly negative statements about M$ latest comments many of the previous posters are right Microsoft IS doing everything that Sega SHOULD HAVE DONE WITH THE DREAMCAST before the launch of the PS2.

Im actually very hopeful that Microsoft and especially Nintendo will be far more successful in the next-gen race than all the critics/fanboys think possible.

I believe that the big M has a damn good chance of splitting the market down the middle with the king-of-brainwashing-and-hype Sony hell it seems as though Microsoft is fully prepared to give Sony the HYPE WAR OF THE CENTURY :evil: and my only point of the post was that this will be a very entertaining propaganda war even moresoo than the old Genesis vs. Nes/SNES days and damn that was fun ;) GENESISDOESWHATNINTENDONT Ha! good stuff man good stuff.

"Sony beat Sega out because they had much better marketing, not a much better product.

Microsoft isn't Sega"<<<<<< Exactly although I would rather it BE Sega but thats for another post altogether.

Also to the one person who posted how Sony will come out (no matter when) and kick Microsofts a$$ :roll: man thats the prime example of what I call the -PS2 SYNDROME-
Its so sad that after the way Sony brainwashed sooo many gamers and esepecially casuals that its effect STILL HASNT WORN COMPLETLEY OFF.

I know this is an old :deadhorse: rant but damnit will this ever end? I mean fuck I like my slimline PS2 but thats is ONLY because of the GAMES I dont like the actual system much at all to be honest and after all these years there are STILL soo many ppl out there that think the PS2 is the most powerful system LOL LOL LOL I mean after ALL THESE YEARS you still here things like Madden looks better on PS2 and even my brainwashed Playstation fanboy friend is STILL convinced that RE4 will be better on PS2 and the Gamecube is some weak kiddy system its soo fucking frustrating :angry: :frustrated:

My point is that with Sony having soo many Playstation-only zombies walking around with "PS" symbols embazed in their eyes how does a company , even Microsoft , go about changing all of this?
Ill tell ya how; just like they are doing NOW sure they love the sound of their own voice but damnit if Microsoft dont pull Sony down from their mountain NOBODY CAN and I for one want to have more choices in my gaming hobby than PS4 , PS5 and PSP3 O_O

Ok i gotta stop now my PS2 is holding a gun to my head and demanding that I retract my statements immediately :2gunfire: Oh NO its KILLED MY DREAMCAST! OH wait...that happened years ago :/

Flack

10-18-2005, 09:44 AM

Microsoft Plays Up 'PS3 Delay'

Of course they did, in hopes that people who support Microsoft and hate Sony would run and post it on message boards, causing supports and haters to come out of the woodwork and create even more ripples of arguments between the supports of two systems that aren't even out yet.

It worked. Again. Go pawns, go!

even my brainwashed Playstation fanboy friend is STILL convinced that RE4 will be better on PS2 and the Gamecube is some weak kiddy system its soo fucking frustrating

What is more frustrating is that you give a shit what your friend thinks. So he thinks the PS2 is better? Who cares? So he tells that to ten, a hundred, or a thousand people? Who cares? It's all wasted energy that could have been spent playing games. All three current systems have better graphics than the NES, which is what I played last night.

Hep038

10-18-2005, 11:30 AM

I am sure MS is looking at the PS2 vs. Xbox race and said " well we had a more powerful system why didn't we win?" I guess they think it was because PS2 was out first, so this time they are going to be out first. But this is not like last time IMHO. The last race all 4 systems (dc included) were much needed upgrades to the previous systems (- Xbox). I just do not see that this time. I was getting pretty sick of the blurry screen of the N64, and the square arms of the PS1 people. When the new systems came out it smoothed everything out and looked great. Plus on all systems online play was used one way or another. Things the other systems could not do, or do very well. This next Gen race is just improving on what was new last time. Only the Rev does anything really different and even that might be a turn off to some people.

captain nintendo

10-18-2005, 11:48 AM

It worked. Again. Go pawns, go!

LOL

Hep038

10-18-2005, 12:06 PM

So the people who want to have a rational discussion on the subject are what bishops or rooks? :/