Messiah Delays Gen NEX deliveries again!

[J2games]

FYI - as the National Distributor for the Messiah Gen NEX, we at J2Games were just informed of the following that we thought we would share with you:

Messiah has again delayed the delivery of the Gen NEX system. Only original orders placed through the Messiah website prior to June 2005 will be receiving their unit. (only the first 250 orders.)

The rest of us retailers have just been informed that the Gen NEX units we have ordered are on a shipping from Asia via ship freight and probably won't arrive until Mid-Nov.

I guess it's not only the Next Generation systems that are getting their launch dates pushed back!

[eggwolio]

this is re-god-damn-diculous.

[joshnickerson]

Glad I didn't pre-order one now.

[J2games]

According to Messiah, they wanted to finish correcting any bugs in the units prior to shipping. The spin is a good thing, as none of us want faulty units.

We just wish they were more pre-active in letting us know about the delays!

[eggwolio]

they keep putting this thing off.

i was so stoked that i'd get this just in time for my birthday next week.

and they didn't send emails out yesterday saying one way or the other whether or not these shipped.

i almost want my money back

[Flack]

they keep putting this thing off.

You make it sound like they're sitting around with their feet up on their coffee table. "Should we work on it today? Nah, screw em," they say as they finish another tray of cavier and toss two more wine glasses into the fireplace.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Messiah doesn't like delaying their product a lot more than you don't like getting it for your birthday, so there's probably a pretty good reason behind it. The same people who are complaining now would be complaining louder if they got a faulty product they prepaid for -- if you don't believe me, search for the Flashback 2 thread.

[Kejoriv]

they keep putting this thing off.

i was so stoked that i'd get this just in time for my birthday next week.

and they didn't send emails out yesterday saying one way or the other whether or not these shipped.

i almost want my money back

You should try and email them. Maybe, they will give you the $$ back.

[Darth Sensei]

Yep, it smells. :roll:

[generalbusiness]

Yeah it blows that it is pushed back yet again. But I would much rather have a bug-free NEX than a rushed model. I just hope that they work things out soon.

[rbudrick]

Well, glad I preordered.

-Rob

[Necromutant]

The reasoning that it is being pushed back because they are still working on some bugs doesn't seem to work if they are shipping out the first 250 people that ordered now (unless they are shipping the first 250 people buggy consoles)... or maybe I misunderstand the first post. I pre-ordered in July so I guess I'm not getting mine for a while.

Edit:
Their website is still saying that it should have been shipped already for anyone that ordered before Sept. 6... either the messed up in what they told the original poster or they need to update their site/send out some kind of notification so people know what is going on. x_x

[s1lence]

Well we shall see if I get mine, because I'm thinking I'm in the first 250.

Here is when I paid for mine.

Original Transaction

Date Type Status Details Amount
May 24, 2005 Payment To Messiah Entertainment, Inc. Completed ... -$59.99 USD .

So I'll post here the second it arrives.

[jajaja]

You had to pay in advance when you pre-ordered? :/

[Necromutant]

You had to pay in advance when you pre-ordered? :/

Yup, Yup...

[s1lence]

Yeah, not that big of a deal to me as long as I get the system someday.

[DreamTR]

Believe me, Messiah wants to get this baby out ASAP, and they don't like these delays any more than you guys do! Thanks to everyone for their patience on this matter so far! Believe me when I say Messiah is doing everything in their power to get this out ASAP!

[Jagasian]

There are still questions of game/peripherial compatibility and audio/video accuracy that are still not answered, yet should be able to be answered assuming that Messiah is done with the design and development of their system. The fact that these questions have still not been answered implies that something fishy is going on.

[n8littlefield]

That's what worries me too. I worry that they are trying to hide something until the preorders get shipped. I have no problem with a few hiccups in compatibility, but I'd want to know what they are before purchasing.

I REALLY want to put this on my Christmas list, but I can't until they pony up with the info.

[J2games]

What Messiah is telling us is the delay was due to some bugs in the system they were working through. The bugs were evidently worked out but had delayed the original production.

The units have now shipped with some sent via AIR and the rest being sent surface (or BOAT) which is the delay in the majority of units arriving. (surface can take a month from Asia and customs doesn't help any!)

We're excited about the units arriving, just getting impatient to be able to play with it already! I think Messiah has our best interests at heart in wanting to bring a quality system to market. (and as is common with a first system launch, a delay... hey, at least no dead pixels like the PSP's!)

[googlefest1]

sound like the early birds are getting pilot run units

i hope someone will do a nice compatibility review of this item -- like the kind i saw for the neo fami

does anyone know if chain game stores will be getting this?

[alec006]

Crap not again.......

[J2games]

Our understanding is that none of the chain stores will be selling these units. (EBX, GameStop, etc)

Mostly because they no longer carry the software to support the units (and that is where the profit lies.)

Mostly online retailers and small retro stores have been ordering the units from us.

[Qixmaster]

Our understanding is that none of the chain stores will be selling these units. (EBX, GameStop, etc)

Mostly because they no longer carry the software to support the units (and that is where the profit lies.)

Mostly online retailers and small retro stores have been ordering the units from us.

gamecrazy will be caring them... according to my buddy who works for em... can anyone else confirm this?

and hotdamn am i glad i got in that first two-fity

-Josh

[evg2000]

Our understanding is that none of the chain stores will be selling these units. (EBX, GameStop, etc)
take a look here:
http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=802097

later,
charles

[Sothy]

Oh were sorry you need to check to fine print. What you prepayed for is a NEW Messiah box.

[dojosky]

Yep Game Crazy stores here has picture of this system says that they are taking pre-orders !!!

on other note:
Hope Gamestop will start rebuying and re selling NES games !!! but thats highly doubtful ! :( .

[Teknik_SE-R]

I sent this to Messiah's support Email address(@Nubytech)

MESSAGE:I heard rumors that the first shipment of Generation NEX consoles is
delayed, yet again, to november meaning subsequent shipments will be even
further out. Is this true and is there an explanation for this? Has there
been an official date set for the first shipment yet?



It would be nice to hear of development updates, delays, and explanations
directly from Messiah rather than on forums from a third party. Generally,
us consumers feel left in the dark by Messiah regarding the NEX. Keeping
customers posted on the whereabouts of their product is very important in
keeping a good customer relationship. Please give us something to chew on!


This is what I got back:

If you ordered before September 6th, the system will be shipping this week.
The only orders delayed are retail orders, which are being shipped by boat
as opposed to customer orders, which are being aired in.

Jason Wilson
Account Support Manager
Nubytech
1640 5th Street
Santa Monica, CA 90401
(310) 460-2588
FAX-(310) 388-5862

So it sounds like things are going as planned for direct orders. Retail orders are another story. Man Am I glad I bought mine directly from Messiah! =)

So I should expect mine before December

And BTW Rhino Games (Blockbuster's version of GameCrazy) sells NES SNES Genesis and NEOGEO systems and games, and will be selling Messiah products very soon. Rhino, Gamecrazy, and a local record/movie/VG store chain are my physical locations for buying.

[Lady Jaye]

Yay!!!! That's good news, especially since I pre-ordered mine in early August.

[Darth Sensei]

Yeah, it's great news unless you happen to be a retailer.

[Necromutant]

Cool... :D Now I'm watching for my postman again... :hmm:

[J2games]

Here is the latest from NubyTech who is handling the distribution on the Messiah Systems to all retailers:

"it is being distributed to Game Crazy, Rhino Video Games, and Gamestop. HOWEVER, Gamestop is ONLY selling it on their website. IN fact, They only ordered around 80-90 units for specific sale ON their website.

Also, they are NOT receiving them ANY earlier than any other retailer. They can say it's shipping tomorrow, but we can guarantee they have 0 in stock. .

The initial shipment for retailers is stuck in Hong Kong at the moment. Because of the fact there are only 2 people that really "work" for Messiah, it is hard to gauge a "precise" date of when they will be available.

Most recent purchasers won't be seeing their units until late December. That's the thing, some people are canceling their orders and trying the "I'll just buy it when it
comes out", but we're way oversold. "

I edited some of the email solely to remove info not really pertaining to this thread. It still appears Messiah will ship only limited orders to people who ordered through their website early on. Other retailers (even the big chain guys) will be waiting until November.

[Jagasian]

I have two very simple questions:

1. Did Messiah test the NEX before they shipped it?

2. If the answer is "yes", then what games are incompatible with the system or have inaccurate audio or video?

[s1lence]

I have two very simple questions:

1. Did Messiah test the NEX before they shipped it?

2. If the answer is "yes", then what games are incompatible with the system or have inaccurate audio or video?

I'll test all of mine when I get it. x_x

[DreamTR]

Jagasian:

1. Yes

2. It will be posted on the playmessiah.com site eventually when Messiah is not swarmed with a million other things to do.... =)

[nesuser2]

I don't doubt that they're working hard but did they set unreasonable dates for themselves or is it really that much more trying than expected? I don't have much time to sit down and play with this unit when it does show up but I simply cannot wait. I've been on the edge of my seat since I first read about it. Here's to hoping they can get things straightened out so people can feel the goodness before christmas!

[DreamTR]

Everyone will feel the goodness before XMAS, believe me! I apologize for the massive and continous delays, I am not the one responsible for the postponing of the product, but I can assure you everyone will be very pleased with what they will be receiving as opposed to the units they "would" have received if Messiah shipped the product out early.

[kevin_psx]

What's a Gen nex?

[Teknik_SE-R]

Yeah that does suck for retailers, I didn't mean to disclude them.



What's a Gen nex?

Hint:use the search feature type in "nex" and select to post replies form the past 7 days

[eggwolio]

when you guys say it out loud, do you say "ENN EE ECKS" or just "Nex"?

I don't know which it's supposed to be.

the end.

[Jagasian]

What's a Gen nex?

The NEX is a Famicom and NES clone, similar to the Neofami. It gets allot of hype around here because some of the people with vested interest in the NEX post in these forums. There is also a bit of controversy with regards to some of the claims made about the system's possible use of a NES-on-a-chip, the system's compatibility with games and peripherials, as well as the accuracy of the audio and video of the system compared to a real NES and Famicom.

In short, the NEX could be the best thing to happen to NES gaming in a long time, or it could be a big let down. We should know fairly soon.

[Griking]

What's a Gen nex?

The NEX is a Famicom and NES clone, similar to the Neofami. It gets allot of hype around here because some of the people with vested interest in the NEX post in these forums. There is also a bit of controversy with regards to some of the claims made about the system's possible use of a NES-on-a-chip, the system's compatibility with games and peripherials, as well as the accuracy of the audio and video of the system compared to a real NES and Famicom.

In short, the NEX could be the best thing to happen to NES gaming in a long time, or it could be a big let down. We should know fairly soon.

So how is this any better or worse than all of the other NES clones that are being sold on eBay?

[Ulticron]

I should get mine close to my Bday then.


joshnickerson wrote:

Glad I didn't pre-order one now.

Hopefully I'll be able to get you on the jealous bandwagon by the end of November. ;)

I've been dying to play that Famicom Bonk game!

[Jagasian]

So how is this any better or worse than all of the other NES clones that are being sold on eBay?

There are three technical aspects of the NEX which we already know are better than the clones on eBay:

1. built-in NES and Famicom cart slots
2. NES-style controller ports positioned in the standard NES configuration
3. built-in wireless for Messiah-only controllers

The clones on ebay either have a NES cart slot or Famicom cart slot, but not both. Of course, this limitation is easily overcome with a simple cart adapter. Similarly, the clones on ebay either have "pirate-style" controller ports, or they have NES-style controllers ports, but the NES-style ports are not positioned side-by-side in the same way as on a real NES or AV-Famicom. This means that any peripherial that needs to simultaneously plug into both controller ports requires the use of two NES extension cords in order to work with the ebay clones. AFAIK, the only peripherials that this applies to are some wireless adapters and 4-player adapters for the NES.

The NEX also has receivers built-in for use with Messiah's wireless NES controllers. The advantage of this over the clones on ebay is very minor, as you get a wireless receiver that plugs into the controller port of the NES when you buy a wireless controller from Messiah. So it is hard to see what the advantage is to including a wireless receiver inside the NES. It doesn't save you any money because the NEX only comes with a wired controller, but I guess it might save a little bit of clutter, as you can keep the wireless receiver in storage. The problem is that the built in wireless most likely does not work with 4-player NES games, so if you play a 4-player game, you will still need to use 4 receivers at the same time plugged into the NES four-score (NES multi-tap). Hopefully the NEX includes the ability to disable the built-in wireless, as if it doesn't, then it might even be impossible to play a 4-player game with wireless controllers for everybody as the built-in wireless would override the multi-tap plugged into the NES controller ports, preventing the 3rd and 4th wireless controller from communicating with the NEX. So far we have no details on how the built-in wireless works.

Obviously these are minor details, with the exception of possible incompatibilities with 4-player gaming.

The bigger question is what NES-on-a-chip the NEX uses. This will determine how compatible and accurate the NEX is compared to a real NES. There are a small handful of NES-on-a-chips out there. Some are better than others for certain things, i.e. some have better colors or video, while others have better sound. None of them come close to a real NES, and all seem to have game compatibility problems. Messiah has been less than forthcoming about this aspect of their system, and some of the people here that have a vested interest in Messiah or the NEX have been hostile towards anybody that brings up this point. Hence the controversy.

[s1lence]

Once again a NEX thread is doing this :deadhorse:
:hmm:

[Jagasian]

Once again a NEX thread is doing this :deadhorse:
:hmm:

Hey, I am never going to let the people that gave me crap for pointing out this issue hear the end of it. It is pathetic to see people with a vested interest in Messiah or the NEX act in such a blatantly unethical manner. So if you also feel the need to carry out personal attacks against a whistleblower, then so be it.

Not everybody has read the previous threads, so if somebody asks about what the NEX is and how it compares to other clones, and I respond with answers, don't knock me for it. I am not going to let this stuff get swept under the rug, and I am not going to sit by and watch an astro-turf campaign.

[s1lence]

Once again a NEX thread is doing this :deadhorse:
:hmm:

Not everybody has read the previous threads, so if somebody asks about what the NEX is and how it compares to other clones, and I respond with answers, don't knock me for it.

I'm not trying to attack you , just for your information. I guess I wish that some of the people that posted "What is the NEX" would use the search feature. :roll:

[DreamTR]

Jagasian, controversy? The list is just not a matter of public knowledge yet, that's all. The reason for this? YES the system was completed awhile ago, but for example, one of my games would not work on the NEX, but it worked on later versions of the NEX. SO we had to keep cancelling out the incompatibility issues of the system. It's down to a point where there is a small number of questionable games, but why post them right now if we are still not sure if they are incompatible or not? We are trying to make sure we have an absolute certainty about something before we talk about it, and we are still not 100% sure on a few select titles. You have to take into consideration testing EVERY NES game takes time, and it's not as simple as plugging the cart in and checking out the title screen. Some will work for awhile, then have a grpahical collision later on, so you really need to be aware of the differences.

Wireless info, you can turn the wireless capability ON/OFF with a switch on the side, and you CAN have 4 player wireless but you DO need to use the receivers for that aspect, unfortunately.

[The Collector]

but why post them right now if we are still not sure if they are incompatible or not? We are trying to make sure we have an absolute certainty about something before we talk about it, and we are still not 100% sure on a few select titles.

Well I'd like to know if my unit, since i had a very early pre-order and it should have been shipped out this past monday the 17th, is not truely the final product? If testing is still going on...what exactly are they sending me? Will mine include a list of games that are incompatasble with my unit? So the future units have less incompatible games because the hardeware is still being tested?

I'm not one the nay-sayers about this product, I just want a finished product....oh, and i'd kinda like it now! :-P

~bill

[DreamTR]

Shipping at the end of the week, held up by Customs, but they are in Los Angeles. Incompatibility list will be posted on the playmessiah.com....

[The Collector]

Customs? Where are they being manufactured? Arent these made in the Good Ole U.S. of A.?? :/

[DreamTR]

They are being manufactured in China...

[calthaer]

Customs? Where are they being manufactured? Arent these made in the Good Ole U.S. of A.?? :/

Nothing is made in the USA any more - everybody wants white collar jobs.

I'm going to wait for the initial hoo-ha to die down before I order mine...and am going to wait until whether I hear if it's a stinker or not.

[Tron 2.0]

I don't mind delay on it heck i haven't... had the chance to pay for one any ways.

[Jagasian]

I don't mind delay on it heck i haven't... had the chance to pay for one any ways.

Where did you get the pic of that girl in your sig from ;)

[Tron 2.0]

I don't mind delay on it heck i haven't... had the chance to pay for one any ways.

Where did you get the pic of that girl in your sig from ;)
From a friend over at neo-geo.com ;)

[eggwolio]

Dear Generation NEX customer,

First of all, please accept our sincere apologies for the delay of the
Generation NEX system. The delays have truly been due to circumstances
which were beyond our control.

We wanted to give you an updated status: the first Generation NEX shipment
left our overseas manufacturing site and arrived on Monday, October 17th in
the USA. We incurred several unpredictable delays due to U.S. customs
inspections and mis-information from the shipping provider. Throughout last
week, Messiah received assurances that the NEX systems were due to arrive on
one day, then the next, then the next, etc. Our company is doing everything
in our power to bring your product to you as soon as possible. The NEX
systems have finally cleared U.S. customs, and the first shipments to
customers have begun shipping TODAY from our warehouse in California. We
apologize for any inconvenience that these delays may have caused, and hope
that you are as excited as we are about the long awaited release of this
spectacular system! It has been a long and challenging road leading up to
the NEX product launch, but in a few more days, we are confident that you
will be thrilled with your Generation NEX system!

Please send any and all inquires to contactus@playmessiah.com

Happy Gaming,
The Messiah Team
www.playmessiah.com

YAY

[s1lence]

Got this in the email this morning.


MESSIAH ENTERTAINMENT
24907 AVENUE TIBBITTS STE B
STE B
SANTA CLARITA, CA 913553487

"SHIP TO" Contact Name.......: ******
Shipped Date.................: 10/24/2005
Estimated Delivery Date......: 10/28/2005
COD Payment Method...........:
COD Amount Due at delivery...: $.00
Service Level................:GND PPD RES
Package Weight...............: 3.00
Alternate Reference Numbers..:

CR MESSIAH 08 9612804412295110004630

Shipper Memo.................:


Sweet, looks like I'm going to be play testing this weekend.

[Kejoriv]

Everyone that receives one, needs to post pics and reviews.

[s1lence]

Everyone that receives one, needs to post pics and reviews.

I was planning on it.

[Jagasian]

People should start receiving their systems about now. So why are things so quiet?

[rbudrick]

Got my notice yesterday. Scheduled day of delivery via Fed Ex is Nov 1.

-Rob

[s1lence]

People should start receiving their systems about now. So why are things so quiet?

If you looked, mine is scheduled to arrive on Friday.

[evg2000]

Received my today.
http://www.evg2000.com/nex/nex1.jpg
http://www.evg2000.com/nex/nex2.jpg
http://www.evg2000.com/nex/nex3.jpg
http://www.evg2000.com/nex/nex4.jpg
http://www.evg2000.com/nex/nex5.jpg
http://www.evg2000.com/nex/nex6.jpg
http://www.evg2000.com/nex/nex7.jpg

Haven't had time to turn it on yet.
one thing strange, it has no serial number

later,
Charles

[heyricochet]

Ooo pretty...

I like the manual shaped as a cart.

[Necromutant]

Very nice! Thanks for the pics... :) Mine is scheduled for delivery tomorrow as well. Can't wait. Hoping for some pics of the innards, if anyone is that brave, as well as some accuracy compatibility reviews.... :D

[studvicious]

sweet mother... thanks for the pics. When you guys decide to fire these bad boys up let us know!! :D

[Jagasian]

If you looked, mine is scheduled to arrive on Friday.

Typically those dates are always one day after when they think that the package will actually arrive, so that people don't get freaked out that their package is late... and instead are happy when it arrives a day early. Judging from the other forum posts, my calculations were right. Did you get yours today too?

I have to admit that it is the best looking clone, at least as far as the system itself goes. However, early reports are that even with Super Mario Bros, the audio and video inaccuracies exist, and the actual picture quality is somewhere between toaster NES RF and RCA, i.e. better than a top loader NES, but not as good as a toaster NES. More info at the NES Dev forums:
http://nesdev.parodius.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=698

So lets get some rigorous testing. Get a real toaster NES and a NEX and start comparing. Just how good of a clone is it? Also, what are the charging ports on the back of the system for? Is Messiah going to release a redesigned wireless NES controller? If so, I hope they use a more traditional plus style D-pad... and I hope they also make a wireless lightgun. Dunk Hunt and Hogan's Alley are still fun today, but that damned cord puts a damper on things :)

[evg2000]

My unofficial compatibility testing.
How I tested.
Plug game into NEX, if things look o.k. then play the game for a few minutes.
If game doesn't work try reset, power off and on, check cart is inserted well.
If that doesn't work check if it has a switch on the back flip it and try again.
Test cart on my top loader, if it works cart may be incompatible with NEX.
Clean contacts, go through all test again.
If cart has issues after all of this on the NEX and works on the top loader, then there seems to be an issue.
Carts that seemed to work fine:
MIG 29
Rainbow Islands
Popeye
Ninja Crusaders
Mermaids of Atlantis The Riddle of the Magic Bubble
Joshua the Battle of Jerico
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
World Games
bee 52
Track & FIeld
King of Kings the Early Years
Captain Comic
The Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy
Bible Adventures
Venice Beach Volleyball
Spiritual Warfare
Quattro Adventure
Puzzle
Maxi 15 Game Cartridge
Deathbots

Doesn't work/had issues
Micro Machines -graphics issues on menu screen, game seems o.k.
Linus Spacehead's "Cosmic Crusade" when game first starts there are graphics issues, scroll to next screen everything is o.k., scroll back to initial screen graphics have issues again
Firehawk - won't even boot correctly
Big Nose the Caveman doesn't boot correctly

[CYRiX]

3 Years from now when everyone has one no one will care about this friggin' deal. Its gonna be good and you'll like it!

[Jagasian]

evg2000,

Great work. Do you have a toaster NES too, so that you can compare the quality of the audio and video output? I am not talking about the accuracy, but the quality of the analog signals. As everybody knows, the official top loader NES has terrible video quality, and the same is true for many other clones. Also, do you have any of these games, to test? They are incompatible with the Neofami, and there is a chance that they are also incompatible with the NEX:

After Burner
Bandit Kings of Ancient China
Castlevania III
Gauntlet
Gemfire
L'Empereur
Laser Invasion
Nobunaga's Ambition II
Rad Racer II
Romance of the Three Kingdoms II
Uncharted Waters

Check out this thread (http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=67476) for a description of the issues that these games have with the Neofami, so that you know what to look for. Also, I noticed that all of the games you listed, which you found to have incompatibility problems, were all Camerica games, yet you've listed a few Camerica games that work correctly. Maybe more extensive testing of those Camerica games will turn up issues. Firehawk and Micromachines are personal favorites of mine. They are the best Camerica ever made... well, next to the Game Genie of course. You should test that too.

Also, what happens if you have a NES and Famicom cart inserted into the NEX at the same time?

[s1lence]

I didn't recieve mine today, but i can tell you the first I'm testing will be CV III. At least someone else posted pics so I dont have to. I have a toaster nes all set up to compare.

[evg2000]

I was able to test:
Castlevania III won't boot no matter what I try, work in TL
Gauntlet same as CIII
Rad Racer II won't boot, and the power light doesn't even come on!
I'll let someone else try putting in two carts to see what happens.

I like the way the console looks, on the games that work correctly the video seems to be G to VG, audio seems o.k., I'm not real good at telling the difference with audio unless it's drastic. Carts are hard to put in and remove, this is do to the contacts on the cart slot being very tight, and the console feeling a little light, I worry I might damage it if I'm not careful.

It will be interesting to see what others experience, if they can get some of the carts to work, and what they think of the sturdiness of the system.

Later,
Charles

[kainemaxwell]

Anyone test all the Tengen unlicenced carts yet?

[Six Switch]

i may want to buy one of these.lets get some more reviews.

and when will new orders be taken/shipped if anyone knows.

[heyricochet]

If anyone has the time and the stuff, I'd like a compatibility list with the nes accessories(power glove, power pad, ROB, zapper, u-force etc...)