NES ZELDA III PROTOTYPE??????????????

[rbudrick]

but we will soon find out.

How's that? Wasn't sure if I missed something...

-Rob

[bobdrywalls]

I don't understand why he has to go through all this trouble to bullshit everybody for no apparent reason. Poor guy. Probably has no friends and strives for attention. :(

[Dethruhate]

Silicon Knights is based out of Canada, right?

[Mattiekrome]

Doh, wish I had gotten a chance to save the auction from eBay before they took it downb :(

[dcescott]

Why did ebay take it down?
It was fishy however, I don't get it...

[dcescott]

they took it down over the word
PROTOTYPE?????
I never heard of that rule... isn't that one of the settings for DP's ebay assistant?
I am behind the times I just got home from work.

[Enixis]

Out of curiosity, does Nintendo (Japan) have most of their prototypes on NES carts? What about Famicom carts? If Zelda originated from Japan why would a prototype be on an NES cart instead of a Famicom one?

If indeed this Zelda III cart was the real deal, would the game be in english or japanese?

I don't really know much about NES prototypes so hopefully someone can provide some answers to my questions.

[rayearthknight]

Out of curiosity, does Nintendo (Japan) have most of their prototypes on NES carts? What about Famicom carts? If Zelda originated from Japan why would a prototype be on an NES cart instead of a Famicom one?

If indeed this Zelda III cart was the real deal, would the game be in english or japanese?

I don't really know much about NES prototypes so hopefully someone can provide some answers to my questions.

Good call--if the game existed at all it would be created and released for the Japanese market...and Nintendo Power would have commented on it months before the US version was translated.

[unbroken]

Out of curiosity, does Nintendo (Japan) have most of their prototypes on NES carts? What about Famicom carts? If Zelda originated from Japan why would a prototype be on an NES cart instead of a Famicom one?

If indeed this Zelda III cart was the real deal, would the game be in english or japanese?

I don't really know much about NES prototypes so hopefully someone can provide some answers to my questions.

Good call--if the game existed at all it would be created and released for the Japanese market...and Nintendo Power would have commented on it months before the US version was translated.

They could have worked on a jap and us translation of the game at the same time.

[portnoyd]

Ok people, it's been fun, but it's time to close up shop. Seriously! While it would be neat if it was real, it's not. They have never worked on a US/Jap version of any game concurrently. If this was real, it'd be in a Fami-shell. It's not.

[Griking]

Why did ebay take it down?
It was fishy however, I don't get it...

They took it down because Unbroken reported the auction to eBay. :/

At least he claimed that he did on the second page of this thread.

[filmbucket]

Why did ebay take it down?
It was fishy however, I don't get it...

They took it down because Unbroken reported the auction to eBay. :/

At least he claimed that he did on the second page of this thread.

I'm sure more than one person reported it...somewhat certain that prototypes can still be considered property of the companies that made them. They were never sold in a retail market, and for the most part have only been obtained by people because some companies had a very lax policy about their carts being returned to them after they were sent out to magazines and whatnot.

[Dethruhate]

From what I understand on another thread, he had his own auction ended early by ebay. When he found out it was legit, the only way he could actually keep it and not get stuck "in a legal battle" with the auction winner, was to have the auction ruled inelidgeble by ebay, thus nullifying any bids that were on the table for it. Other protos and copyrighted material (family guy, MST3000) get by all the time on there, so it takes a lot of noise, especially directly from the seller to get it pulled.

Still, I'd be pissed if I was the high bidder.

[digital_minority]

From what I understand on another thread, he had his own auction ended early by ebay. When he found out it was legit, the only way he could actually keep it and not get stuck "in a legal battle" with the auction winner, was to have the auction ruled inelidgeble by ebay, thus nullifying any bids that were on the table for it. Other protos and copyrighted material (family guy, MST3000) get by all the time on there, so it takes a lot of noise, especially directly from the seller to get it pulled.

Still, I'd be pissed if I was the high bidder.

Good point, having been the high bidder and find out that it IS legit all of a sudden, THEN get it pulled.

Shame to whomever reported it, this could have been more interesting.

I hope this 'Knight' person dumps it!!!

[shoes23]

From what I understand on another thread, he had his own auction ended early by ebay. When he found out it was legit, the only way he could actually keep it and not get stuck "in a legal battle" with the auction winner, was to have the auction ruled inelidgeble by ebay, thus nullifying any bids that were on the table for it. Other protos and copyrighted material (family guy, MST3000) get by all the time on there, so it takes a lot of noise, especially directly from the seller to get it pulled.

Still, I'd be pissed if I was the high bidder.

Good point, having been the high bidder and find out that it IS legit all of a sudden, THEN get it pulled.

Shame to whomever reported it, this could have been more interesting.

I hope this 'Knight' person dumps it!!!

Who are you? Its a fake!!!! I don't know how many people have tried to point that out to you. Maybe you are just an over optimistic individual, but this is NOT for real. If it was for real the events that happened would have transpired in a very different fashion. Like clear photos, a reserve limit on the ebay auction, gameplay footage, maybe a shot of the eprom. This guy got his fifteen minutes of fame, and onvious enjoyed "ruffling the feathers" of game collectors in North America, but it is over now. Sorry to inform you but there will be no rom dump, no reproductions, no sale on the proto because it was a fake. Sorry to disappoint ya.

[digital_minority]

From what I understand on another thread, he had his own auction ended early by ebay. When he found out it was legit, the only way he could actually keep it and not get stuck "in a legal battle" with the auction winner, was to have the auction ruled inelidgeble by ebay, thus nullifying any bids that were on the table for it. Other protos and copyrighted material (family guy, MST3000) get by all the time on there, so it takes a lot of noise, especially directly from the seller to get it pulled.

Still, I'd be pissed if I was the high bidder.

Good point, having been the high bidder and find out that it IS legit all of a sudden, THEN get it pulled.

Shame to whomever reported it, this could have been more interesting.

I hope this 'Knight' person dumps it!!!

Who are you? Its a fake!!!! I don't know how many people have tried to point that out to you. Maybe you are just an over optimistic individual, but this is NOT for real. If it was for real the events that happened would have transpired in a very different fashion. Like clear photos, a reserve limit on the ebay auction, gameplay footage, maybe a shot of the eprom. This guy got his fifteen minutes of fame, and onvious enjoyed "ruffling the feathers" of game collectors in North America, but it is over now. Sorry to inform you but there will be no rom dump, no reproductions, no sale on the proto because it was a fake. Sorry to disappoint ya.

Just a gamer with a dream, that's all :)

Fun thought, still..

[dojosky]

First of all it has to be 100% fake ! ..

about famicom prototypes they are in regular Famicom casings as I have 2 or 3 Prototypes for the Famicom system.

[rbudrick]

There's a lot of protos from NOA that are known to have been in American cases. Pretty standard, really.

-Rob

[digital_minority]

I've seen both famicom and nes protos..

..they DO exist. No argument there.

[portnoyd]

There's a lot of protos from NOA that are known to have been in American cases. Pretty standard, really.

Yeah, but in 'beta 0.6.24' form? Have you ever seen a NOA proto for a game that came from Japan that hasn't been 99% done? '0.6.24' implies that it still has a ways to go.

[Dethruhate]

Hmm, a seed of potential?

From Nintendo of America Inc.
Dervin Camden:

"Hello and thank you for contacting Nintendo,

It's hard to determine whether or not the game pak is authentic"

He says it doesn't sound authentic based on the fact that hes only seen one screen of it.. but what does that mean? If he could see more than he might be able to validate that it is a withheld zelda title? WTF?

[rbudrick]

Have you ever seen a NOA proto for a game that came from Japan that hasn't been 99% done?

Well there was no stamp on them saying "made in Japan" but yeah.

-Rob

[portnoyd]

Hmm, a seed of potential?

From Nintendo of America Inc.
Dervin Camden:

"Hello and thank you for contacting Nintendo,

It's hard to determine whether or not the game pak is authentic"

He says it doesn't sound authentic based on the fact that hes only seen one screen of it.. but what does that mean? If he could see more than he might be able to validate that it is a withheld zelda title? WTF?

From FamicomJL on NESWorld:

"Hello,

Thank you for your e-mail. We don't have any information available regarding a Zelda III for the NES. The only Legend of Zelda games that were developed for the NES were The Legend of Zelda and Zelda II: The Adventure of Link. It's possible that what you saw on eBay was some sort of counterfeit product (which would explain why eBay pulled the auction).

For more information on piracy issues regarding the videogame industry, please visit the Entertainment Software Association's web site(www.theesa.com).

Sincerely,

Nintendo of America Inc.
John Elsberry"

[CYRiX]

There's a lot of protos from NOA that are known to have been in American cases. Pretty standard, really.

Yeah, but in 'beta 0.6.24' form? Have you ever seen a NOA proto for a game that came from Japan that hasn't been 99% done? '0.6.24' implies that it still has a ways to go.
That 0.6.24 isn't proving to be true at all, since he could of just made up the label and randomly put numbers on it.

[DeputyMoniker]

Why did ebay take it down?
It was fishy however, I don't get it...

They took it down because Unbroken reported the auction to eBay. :/

At least he claimed that he did on the second page of this thread.

Yes, and I assume the reason it was illegal is because its the official property of Nintendo. Nintendo didnt sell it to anybody so it must be stolen. Thats assuming it was real, and I REAAAAAAAALLY doubt it was but hey, you never know.

[Cauterize]

Hmmm my view on it is that we cant make assumptions to what is on that cart, if its fake and/or if its a hack dumped onto the cart unless it is bought/shown to us by someone...

Sure, nothing has ever been said or heard about a Zelda III, but what is there to say that one isnt around...?
It happens alot doesnt it, new games are being added into the database on a regular basis, ones which have been well hidden, or ones only discovered through a few screenshots in a 10 year old magazine...
As we all know, Nintendo like to destroy their prototypes and hide the failures behind those doors, but the odd one slips out...
For all we know, it could have been an employee working away and brought the cart home to test over the weekend, forgot about it and left it there for a good 2 decades...

As digital_minority said, a Gamer with a Dream! I quite agree, nothing is impossible and damn do i wanna see whats on this cart...

Even if its Mario/DH, itll be worth the wait, just for a damn good laugh!
If its Zelda III, then i think whoever ends up owning it pretty much sealed themselves a wealthy future!

I guess what im trying to say is dont battle over the fact that its fake or not as you honestly dont know :P

[jajaja]

Anyone checked the latested who have wrote on msn spaces?


21. oktober


Zelda III Buyer

OK, someone as just contacted me whom is seriously interested in making a bid on the cart). He is flying in from Toronto, Ontario and will be here for Sunday.

He wishes to remain idenifited as 'Knight 7.'

More on this as things unfold.

[rbudrick]

BTW, I checked with Ben Smith just for the hell of it since I had some other things to ask him. He never heard of it. And he would have imo, since he was in the right places at NOA.

-Rob

[Zing]

I can't believe people are still giving this clown the benefit of the doubt.

[mills]

ZING!

[Jumpman Jr.]

BTW, I checked with Ben Smith just for the hell of it since I had some other things to ask him. He never heard of it. And he would have imo, since he was in the right places at NOA.

-Rob

That quote ends all of my skepticism. I thought it was fake at first. Then I saw the guy's blog which sort of made me believe that it was legit.
This ends everything for me.

[goatdan]

BTW, I checked with Ben Smith just for the hell of it since I had some other things to ask him. He never heard of it. And he would have imo, since he was in the right places at NOA.

Ben Smith obviously doesn't know what he's talking about! Has he even seen the cart? It is so obviously a real prototype because it has a label printed with an ink jet or laser jet, scotch taped on and that first screen looks just PERFECT!

I can't wait for this Knight fellow to dump it so we can all enjoy this totally legit prototype that someone like Ben Smith would obviously have never heard of since he worked in that division of Nintendo![/sarcasm]

I can't believe that so many people here believe this. STILL.

And yes, selling ALL prototypes on eBay is illegal. The prototypes are still the property of their respective companies, not of the person who has it. So if this was real (which is isn't), it would be Nintendo's property.

The reason this probably got pulled is because it was infringing on Nintendo's rights. Zelda, as a few of us may remember, is still a popular Nintendo property. Nintendo owns the rights to the name. And therefore, if I make a game and called it 'Zelda Rules the World!', I am infringing on their rights.

Hacks of games are NOT LEGAL. It is just like PIRATING games. Which is about all that this particular game is... Although just like portnoyd, I'm going to leave this conversation now so that the 75% or so of you that don't want to listen to reason can believe that it will be great and can't wait for this to be dumped.

:roll:

[googlefest1]

so this was pulled -- damn i was hoping some one here was getting it and would tell us what was on the cart

[lendelin]

I'm going to leave this conversation now so that the 75% or so of you that don't want to listen to reason can believe that it will be great and can't wait for this to be dumped.

:roll:

I agree. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it is a duck!

Scam artists feed on wishful thinking and hopes which leaves common sense behind.

The advertisement and the guys reasoning was as blurry as the picture of the screenshot.

If someone has a prototype and doesn't know zilch what he has, it is not advertised as a prototype. If someone has a prototype and knows about the value, he does everything to make the deal clear, starightforward, credible and uncomplicated.

If someone advertises a prototype and tells you at the same time that it might not be one, no guarantee, and no money back, it is a scam and ridiculuous; and the two gold rings as a 'refund' was icing on the scam-cake.

People, there is hope and there is reality. Let reality and common sense set in. Don't fall for little scams because of wishful thinking which ends up in illusions.

[jajaja]

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it is a duck!

Not always hehe. One time it was Carlton's promdate in Fresh Prince in Bel Air lol :)
But ye, most likely fake. Altho I would check his msn space in a week or so if I remember.

[ClassicGameTrader]

Hmmmm....

http://www.ratedo.com/articles/z3pshot1.gif
http://www.ratedo.com/articles/z3pshot2.gif

The guy on Rated 0 claims these are fake shots, they look pretty good to me, where did they come from? I didn't see them on the MSN site!

[evil_genius]

^^ Where did you find those screenshots and more importantly what are they from?

[mb7241]

^^ Where did you find those screenshots and more importantly what are they from?

O_O That's what I'm saying...

[ClassicGameTrader]

Double post, but I like the second one better LOL

[ClassicGameTrader]

^^ Where did you find those screenshots and more importantly what are they from?

http://www.ratedo.com/articles/z3proto.html

I wish I knew where this came from, I hope it came from a playable copy. The guy on the site claims these are fake, I don't know what to say.

[Atari 5200]

[quote=lendelin]If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it is a duck!

no, tis a barbary hen.

[portnoyd]

They look pretty, but they are fake.

[GrandAmChandler]

It even says on that website that the images are fake. They arent from the cart itself.

But they are pretty!

[alm0stfinished]

this is a freakin joke. I wish this guy was never born.

[Mattiekrome]

wow, convincing shots there... if the page didnt say they were fake, this coulda caused a hella frenzy @_@

[badinsults]

http://www.ratedo.com/articles/z3pshot2.gif



Man, that is hilarious.

[rbudrick]

They look pretty, but they are fake.

Very pretty indeed. They also use more colors onscreen at once than I was aware the NES could do without dithering techniques. But hey, at least he admits they are fakes.

-Rob

[evil_genius]

It seems to me that everyone thinks they know what is going on here, but in fact they have no clue. It's fake, its ALTTP, it's Link's Awakening but for the NES, noone knows for sure. They are going by what they read, what they heard, and so on. When I see some concrete evidence of what is on that cart I will believe it. Part of me wants it to be real so I can get a copy of it and play it, but not if its some pirate. But honestly, I hope it is fake so it just goes away.

What do I believe? I think it is all made up to stir up controversy over the internet. I don't think there was ever plans to be a Zelda 3 for the NES and I really don't believe there is a talking keg in OoT that tells you to ditch the journey and get drunk.

Someone get Miyamoto on the phone.

[Jive3D]

...and I really don't believe there is a talking keg in OoT that tells you to ditch the journey and get drunk.

Wait, I REALLY hope that you just made that up...[?]

This thread has us all so banged up that we'll beleive that anything is possible if there is the smallest inkling of a chance...MAKE IT STOP!

[Niku-Sama]

http://www.ratedo.com/articles/z3pshot2.gif



They look pretty, but they are fake.

really now

[jajaja]

I read about a Zelda 3 hack for NES about ½ year ago. The way I understood it it was someone who had ported ALTTP to NES. I dont say that this have anything to do with the proto, its most likely homemade, but anyone know if that ROM excist?

[Jumpman Jr.]

Those fake images look really cool, but are obviously faked. (Yeah yeah... :deadhorse:)
Zelda games just don't look like that.

[evil_genius]

...and I really don't believe there is a talking keg in OoT that tells you to ditch the journey and get drunk.

Wait, I REALLY hope that you just made that up...[?]

This thread has us all so banged up that we'll beleive that anything is possible if there is the smallest inkling of a chance...MAKE IT STOP!

I actually read that on some website a few years ago. Along with a bunch of other bogus secrets from the game. I wish I could remember more, I'm sure more than one of you would get a good laugh.

Carry on...

[Chronodriftersx]

http://www.ratedo.com/articles/z3pshot2.gif



They look pretty, but they are fake.

really now
Yes though apparently Error would have had those maidens gossiping about his magic rod and orbs. :/

[rbudrick]

[quote=ClassicGameTrader]
http://www.ratedo.com/articles/z3pshot2.gif



They look pretty, but they are fake.

really now

Yeah, the guy that made them admitted it...didn't you read the article?

-Rob

[Buyatari]

Wow this thread is still going.

[jezt]

Link looks a little like mike jones from star tropics.

[studvicious]

[quote=ClassicGameTrader]
http://www.ratedo.com/articles/z3pshot2.gif



They look pretty, but they are fake.

really now

Yeah, the guy that made them admitted it...didn't you read the article?

-Rob

I think he was being sarcastic.

[rbudrick]

I think he was being sarcastic.

Maybe I was too..but ya couldn't tell, could ya. ;)


Wow this thread is still going.

And wouldn't you know it, people keep coming back to read it and post in it. :D

-Rob

[portnoyd]

And wouldn't you know it, people keep coming back to read it and post in it. :D

The horse is dead, LONG DEAD, and it keeps getting beaten like a redheaded stepchild.

I wonder if it'd be possible to lock this thread, because this is playing right into the attention whore who made the fake cart in question.

[studvicious]

indeed. It can be hard to judge sarcasm without hearing the tone of voice.

[evil_genius]

indeed. It can be hard to judge sarcasm without hearing the tone of voice.

Unless of course there is a talented writer, or maybe an audience intelligent on the subject or the writers works.

[Chronodriftersx]

And wouldn't you know it, people keep coming back to read it and post in it. :D

-Rob

Someohow I have my shortcut to the forum linked to his thread, must have mixed it up but tha way, but everytime I come here it is.

[vav00m]

Just so people know, his blog states that he works at cash converters in Winnipeg. There is only one. I think I may know who he is, as I shop there occassionally.

It would be absolutely hilarious if you went and grilled him on it in person.

Is it really a surprise that he works in a pawn shop? Typical, really.

-Rob

I actually had some people talk to me at work, pretty funny, actually... I'm just glad they wern't gun-totin' maniacs or anything like that. Fun times.

Well, at least I got my money for the game, that's all I care about.

You guys can believe what you want, but i'll believe in a nice wad of cash anyday.

It's been fun, I hope he sends back the rom...

[Darren870]

Yea...as he said...acording to his site he got the money from "killer 7"

[rbudrick]

You guys can believe what you want, but i'll believe in a nice wad of cash anyday.

LOL You go and believe in that wad, dude! LOL WTF!!

-Rob

[hezeuschrist]

If I could pull "near 3k canadian" for shitting into an NES cart I'd do it too.

[digital_minority]

Holy shit! Did you look at the picture on his msn space? Looks legit, the money does have those shiny things on them.. damn canadian monopoly money.. lol..

whats $3000canadian? $20US? haha..

[devils advocate]

What a pile of crap.

I'm embarassed to be from the same city as this. The only wad of anything is this guy. And he's just a fuckwad, nothing to do with money. :/

Perhaps the only thing that reeks like shit more than his fake cart, is his cocky demeanour.

Who couldn't grab a few hundred dollar bills and take a picture of them. Anyone I know........ By the way Richard, you must have REALLY needed that money, as your stack looks a little short. LOL

I love the fact that nobody could even get a half assed screen shot out of ya, but you loan some guy you've never met , the cart to do heavens knows what to it for DAYS out of his hotel. AS Bill Cosby would say.."RRRIGHT"

By the way Richard, who was this guy? He took DAYS to get a few simple screen shots and send them back to Headquarters?!?!?!?! Come on man, tell us.... It was Maxwell Smart wasn't it? Was he talking on his phone like a shoe? Or was that you?

Did you and your little friend trade off secrets of stealth and arrogance? When he FINALLY wrote you a cheque, was it certified, or drawn on a Snoopy chequebook? Cash, you say? Yeah, lots of companies that send out a guy from HQ, (I love that one Richard), send him with suitcases of cash.
And if it was a Snoopy cheque or whatever, why draw the cash? Don't even trust the banks in Winnipeg Richard?? Oh,oh. I guess they can forget about seeing that Rom, EH?
Richard, when you go to New York this week, make sure you flash your nice wad of cash around. Hell, even mention where your from and how you got it.... A fool and his fools gold are soon parted.

I can't believe this is your only way to get attention. Or is it just MORE attention you crave? Or perhaps just different attention. Tired of the fat little ugly girls from your blog? Needing to spread your seeds of fame?

I can't believe this guy. What a typical Moron from a cash converters in Winnipeg. No wonder there is only one left, with creatures like this working there.

[jajaja]

So lets see if it pops up some repros at ebay soon :P
Why on earth didnt he take in-game screenshots if it was real? He managed to take a pic of the money very quick :P
This is so easy to fake.

[rbudrick]

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/8672/rickjames47my.jpg

HE'S RICH, BITCHES!

-Rob

[digital_minority]

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/8672/rickjames47my.jpg

HE'S RICH, BITCHES!

-Rob

That's AWESOME!!

[googlefest1]

is that the @ss that sold the cart?

[rbudrick]

Ummmm, yeah. His name's Dave Chappelle..or is it Rick James....I forget.

-Rob

[van_halen]

If i had to guess what the guy is looking for, I should say he made a useless cart with nothing on it more than maybe SMB/Duck hunt, put it on eBay for the gamers to discuss. One camp says it's absolutely FAKE and another says it could possibly be real, he knows that. He himself says either at the beginning. The guy doesn't post any screenshots simply because there are no screenshots to wiev. Then when the auction is about to end and the discussions have made it to near it's limit, he pulls the auction and then posts a screenshot of the titlescreen on his website (possibly an MS Paint image made on a computer connected to a TV or something, i don't know). The audience starts to get nervous. What if it IS real??? Finally, he states that he has a buyer (a figured one) who of course buys it for big bucks, and promises to release the rom. But I think that we are never going to see any rom because he didn't sell it to anyone but he wants the cart to become a legend. I have not followed this story for awhile now, so correct me if I am wrong, but this is how I feel about the whole thing. -_-