UltraRare NES Game: FINAL FANTASY 2 II Nintendo English

[Insaneclown]

Buy it now people...hop to it. LOL

It looks fancy smancy though. Ill give it that credit.

http://cgi.ebay.com/UltraRare-NES-Game-FINAL-FANTASY-2-II-Nintendo-English_W0QQitemZ8227981584QQcategoryZ62053QQrdZ1Q QcmdZViewItem

[mb7241]

LOL If I had a dollar for every one of these that I saw...I'd have $10 :P . But seriously, $103.50 for what is obviously a pirate? Ugh...

[SoulBlazer]

You know, if the seller is being honest, I don't think he KNOWS that's a pirate. :)

I mean, that label is sharp looking. REALLY well done. Almost good enough to fool me for a official release.

And he says he found it a flea market.

If he's telling the truth, and does'nt know that much about the scene, he may not even know.

Someone may want to e-mail him and kindly tell him? :)

[Chronodriftersx]

its so rare its Ultrare

[jdchess]

This isn't really pirate in the normal sense...I am pretty sure it was made by leonk (DP member) who owns nesreproductions.com ...I bet he would be ticked if he saw that someone was trying to sell one of his repros too. He actually does really good work and that looks like one of his labels.

[NESaholic]

Yeah, $103 for a repro not even a pirate,someone is getting ripped off or is just too stupid to realise.

[anagrama]

Of course the seller knows it's a repro - who's going to pay $50-$60 to get one made and then give it away to be sold at a flea?

[Adol]

I have the same one,bought from LeonK,for around $40
This guy is fantastic,and i feel bad for him that people lie saying "they found it a flee market" or something of that kind..how the hell would that be possible? with SAME sticker than LeonK?
That,and the Zelda Outlands..i feeld bad for him,really
i got games from him, and i enjoy them,and don't plan to sell them

[Buyatari]

You know, if the seller is being honest, I don't think he KNOWS that's a pirate.

I mean, that label is sharp looking. REALLY well done. Almost good enough to fool me for a official release.

And he says he found it a flea market

Yeah thats BS.

Homebrews have a 1% chance of ending up on the $1 table at the flee market.

[Darren870]

A lot of Leonk Games have been going on ebay it seems, kinda sucks as he has a great site and does great work.

[leonk]

Can anyone suggest a way for me to mark carts ?

I wouldn't mind etching "nesreproductions" into the cart, but don't know how I can do it. Any suggestions?

[jdchess]

Leonk, the sad thing is that even if you figured out a good way to etch your company name into the cart, people would eventually start changing the carts and the label and then continue selling them anyway. Perhaps there is someway to mark the label AND the PCB..? Just a thought.

[Griking]

I wouldn't bother marking the board since anyone who knows its a repro probably wouldn't show you the board anyways.

I say finding a way to burn your name or signature in the plastic on the front of the cart would do the job. A small mark on the top left would probably do. If someone tries to hide the area of the cart where the signature when they sell it on eBay that that's a tip off that it's a marked cart.

[mills]

Leon, here is my idea. When you print the labels for the carts make sure you include an additional graphic on the label besides the NES seal of quality. You should add a graphic that says nesreproductions.com or Reproduction made by Leon K @ NesReproductions.com.

Thats should settle it.

[mills]

Something like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/keithrod/labels.png

that way everybody knows where they can get one instead of paying 100 bucks on ebay. And so people will hopefully stop abusing your services.

[GarrettCRW]

Leon, here is my idea. When you print the labels for the carts make sure you include an additional graphic on the label besides the NES seal of quality. You should add a graphic that says nesreproductions.com or Reproduction made by Leon K @ NesReproductions.com.

Thats should settle it.

Here's an idea: use the old circle Nintendo Seal and alter the text in an easily identifiable way.

EDIT: Other than the initial bidder (who put up only 10 bucks), everyone has a feedback of zero or -1. Can you say, "shill bidder"?

I knew you could.

[jdchess]

Leonk, another possible idea would be to email all buyers a contract and have them sign it and mail it to you before shipping the game to them. The contract could state that the game is not to be resold for X amount of time, and if it is, then you, as the original creator and seller, are entitled to any and all profits. This would give you some legal recourse when crap like this happens. Some real estate deals use to be contracted this way to prevent what is know as "flipping," or selling a piece of property for a quick profit. I know that it would be more trouble, but it just might help the situation.

Just my three cents... x_x

[Insaneclown]

Wow its already at $214.01 USD. The auction still has 30 minutes to go. I am shocked its that high in price.

[Buyatari]

Why don't you put the price and your email address right on the label.

Bought from ABC@AOL.com for $50.00 plus shipping.

[Buyatari]

Why don't you put the price and your email address right on the label.

Bought from ABC@AOL.com for $50.00 plus shipping.

[jajaja]

$405 @_@

[leonk]

what the hell !?

To make that much money in PROFIT.. I will need to spend a few MONTHS of soldering! LOL

:(

[Necrosaro420]

This isn't really pirate in the normal sense...I am pretty sure it was made by leonk (DP member) who owns nesreproductions.com ...I bet he would be ticked if he saw that someone was trying to sell one of his repros too. He actually does really good work and that looks like one of his labels.



Actually this appears to be one of my cart's. I remember the buyer =P

[jajaja]

This isn't really pirate in the normal sense...I am pretty sure it was made by leonk (DP member) who owns nesreproductions.com ...I bet he would be ticked if he saw that someone was trying to sell one of his repros too. He actually does really good work and that looks like one of his labels.



Actually this appears to be one of my cart's. I remember the buyer =P

So he bought it from you and lied that he found it on a fleamarked?

[Buyatari]

Just sell one once a month on ebay with a BIN. In the description link your page and descripe what you do. Anyone with any brains will check completed auctions before bidding and that should curb the price quite a bit.

[d4s]

Leonk, another possible idea would be to email all buyers a contract and have them sign it and mail it to you before shipping the game to them. The contract could state that the game is not to be resold for X amount of time, and if it is, then you, as the original creator and seller, are entitled to any and all profits. This would give you some legal recourse when crap like this happens. Some real estate deals use to be contracted this way to prevent what is know as "flipping," or selling a piece of property for a quick profit. I know that it would be more trouble, but it just might help the situation.

Just my three cents... x_x

LOL
although leonk might not gain much from building these carts and may have the best intentions and all, what he's doing is still illegal.
he is copying games without the permission of the company owning the rights to these games.
whether these games are officially released or not is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to the copyright.

trying to enforce a contract on something thats illegal from the start doesnt make too much sense, dont you think? ;)

[jdchess]

d4s, I think you should check out leonk's website and read up on what it is he does. I think you are mistaken. Perhaps you should be more careful when accusing someone of a crime.

[Griking]

d4s, I think you should check out leonk's website and read up on what it is he does. I think you are mistaken. Perhaps you should be more careful when accusing someone of a crime.

Well, I went to his website to see how this can be legal myself and the following was what I saw there that explained why this is supposed to be legal.




Is this legal?

Game reproductions of commercially available games is illegal. But these games were never commercially released in North America! As such, no profits are taken away from any individual, company or corporation. All these games can be easily found on the Internet (on websites such as romnation.net or lostlevels.org) The only thing I provide is the ability to play the game on your NES rather than your PC.

In fact, the only thing you pay for is:

* The required memory chips
* brand new battery/batter holder (if applicable)
* the work/materials in putting it together

Things that you are not charged for include:

* the ROM image (you supply it/one is downloaded freely for you off the internet)
* the label artwork (you supply it/one is downloaded freely for you off the internet)


So someone please explain to me what difference it makes when it comes to copyright law whether the game was commercially released in North America or not. If Nintendo owns the rights to the game it doesn't matter if they ever released it or not over here.

Don't get me wrong, I think what Leonk is doing is pretty cool and all but his having that disclaimer on his website wouldn't be a speedbump if nintendo wanted to roll over him.

[studvicious]

No, it's certainly illegal. It would be like arguing with a cop that just busted you for selling drugs and telling him/her: "No man!! I was just selling the baggies!!! The crack was free!!" :D I don't think they would let you go. The bottom line is that duplicated copyrighted material is being sold which is illegal... HOWEVER, I (like most other people) fully support him and thinks his service ROCKS! And when I get some extra cash I will definately be making an order... or three. 8-)

[d4s]

d4s, I think you should check out leonk's website and read up on what it is he does. I think you are mistaken. Perhaps you should be more careful when accusing someone of a crime.

i already did that prior to making the last post.
the fact that he equips his carts with labels containing the nintendo logo and the nintendo seal of quality is illegal already, as these are trademarks of nintendo.

copying a rom image from one media to another without owning the copyright and charging money for the resulting product is always illegal, too. it doesnt matter where he got the rom image from, whether he's stating that youre paying for parts only, it still remains illegal.

it might just be legal if the customers sent him pre-programmed eproms containg the rom images and he did just the soldering.
thats not very feasible, though, as a person who can get their hands on eproms and the appropriate programming devices most likely can handle some minor soldering and rewiring, aswell.

mind you, im not judging him, im just pointing out the facts.
imho, its not worth risking to get sued over your hobby.
better safe than sorry.
i've made that very same decision a year ago, some of you may know what im referring to. ;)


[edit]
oh, and concerning the protection against people reselling leonks carts:

there simply is no way to physically watermark a cart in a way that'd stop people from putting these up on ebay or informing potential bidders of the carts origin.

the only reliable way (even if the buyer wont notice he's been framed until he actually receives the cart) is to append a little intro screen to the rom image containing a reference to leonks homepage.

[Chronodriftersx]

oh stop already you guys are done, page two of this topic alread has a thread somewhere.

[Ed Oscuro]

Leonk, another possible idea would be to email all buyers a contract and have them sign it and mail it to you before shipping the game to them. The contract could state that the game is not to be resold for X amount of time, and if it is, then you, as the original creator and seller, are entitled to any and all profits. This would give you some legal recourse when crap like this happens.
And Nintendo finds their way to you...not a good idea.

Same goes for putting his email on the reproduction x_x

It's nice that Leonk is doing this, but it's illegal and we don't want him to get burned, ya know.

[Insaneclown]

Fight fight fight...J/J. This thread makes me Mr. popular. LOL

Huge profit on this game wow $405. Hhhhmm...I need to make profits to.

Anyways...this game is illegal its a no no.






End of Thread.

[jdchess]

All good points guys. I think you're right in that there is no way to enforce them not being resold...not without getting in trouble yourself because of copyright law.